[05:07] morning [05:25] Morning everyone [05:36] More almal [06:13] hi ThatGraemeGuy and others [06:14] goeie more kilos [06:14] oh and good mornings to everyone else [06:15] ohi inetpro [06:22] i need a bit of kde help. after upgrading 12.04 to kde 4.10 i had to fiddle everywhere to make things work like 12.04 did and somewhere changed the colour of the launchers to blue and cant find where to get it back to what it was [06:22] i dunno if they are buttons or icons or what to call them [06:23] it just looks yuck but everything works kiff [06:25] sjoe! frightened him away that question [06:35] ai! [06:35] sorry oom [06:36] lol [06:36] dit lyk net nie mooi nie man [06:36] colour of the launchers? what is that? [06:38] you know your launch button? [06:38] mine is blue and everything in it is blue [06:39] kickoff application launcher [06:43] morning Kilos and the rest [06:43] is that the K button, bottom left? [06:43] ya [06:44] the one where you start everything [07:07] Oom Kilos broke something this time hehehehe :) [07:08] haha [07:10] mazal: what did you break? [07:12] Nothing yet today [07:12] But it's still early [07:12] lol [07:13] oh you say i broke something [07:14] no man it works but looks yucky [07:14] kde has so manythings where you can change stuff you need a lotta brain to remember what you did where [07:21] wbb going back to unity [07:22] hey all [07:24] *morning* [07:30] Anybody know where in the MATE desktop do you find user account management ? Can't find it anywhere [07:30] lol you using mate? [07:31] on old buntu it was the third thing top left [07:31] mate has included the third one in the first one i think [07:32] under system or something [07:39] It's not under system or control panel [07:40] from the menu [07:40] Administration -> Users and Groups [07:41] There's no such option under the Administration menu Squirm [07:41] I have MATE and I see it :P [07:42] Oi , that means my MATE is also broken :( [07:43] lol [07:43] there is a way to get it to show more [07:43] startup apps or something [07:44] mazal: from cli, `mate-users-admin` [07:44] I wanted to make a print screen off the menu to show you guys , but prt scr also don't work [07:44] " command not found " [07:44] It doesn't print screen on a menu [07:44] I tried it now [07:47] mazal [07:47] install mate-system-tools [07:47] $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/mate-users-admin [07:47] mate-system-tools: /usr/bin/mate-users-admin [07:47] installing [07:49] Aha , now it's there. Thank you Squirm :) [07:49] Squirm, is the mate go to man [07:49] Maaz, squirm ++ [07:51] good morning [07:52] Hi charl [07:52] hi mazal [07:52] Maaz: coffee on [07:52] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:56] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:57] Maaz: thanks [07:57] charl: Okay :-) [08:01] hi charl [09:07] Anyway I can see who or what this server is ? HUBBARD.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU [09:08] My pc keeps sending data out to that addy [09:08] hmm... been there [09:08] Maaz, google HUBBARD.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU [09:08] Kilos: "CMU Computer Club" http://www.club.cc.cmu.edu/ :: "#12563 (IRC got in hung state) – Adium Trac" https://trac.adium.im/ticket/12563 :: "Bare-Faced Messiah: Chapter 11" http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfm11.htm :: "Bare-Faced Messiah: Chapter 9" http://www.xenu.net/archive/books/bfm/bfm09.htm :: "Colorado Mesa University - 2013 Football Roster" [09:08] http://www.cmumavericks.com/roster.aspx?path=football :: "Rotary Club of Warren (Ohio)" http://… [09:09] Looks like it's that CMU Computer Club [09:09] Why would my pc be sending data there [09:09] zomg, dell just announced a new 28" 4k res monitor for under a thousand dollars [09:09] * Symmetria drools all over himself [09:10] mazal, i think i had that before as well and someone helped me stop it [09:12] How am I gonna stop that one ? [09:14] one of the clever guys gotta give advise [09:14] ill try remember [09:15] I've never even been to their site [09:16] it just happened here too [09:16] dunno how we stopped it [09:16] http://41.190.141.13/ [09:16] what do you guys get from that [09:16] have you got gufw [09:17] Symmetria, a speed test thingy with garbled graphics [09:17] mazal lol I meant, what speed results [09:17] are they reasonable results [09:18] 1.55mb/s [09:18] and .09 up [09:18] Yes mine is the same as on other speed test site [09:18] kilos what kinda line? [09:18] 3g [09:19] mazal *HRM* now thats very good news, cause I would have expected less because the server is a LOT further away [09:19] it means what we've done is working :) [09:19] lol, that server is sitting in uganda [09:19] Kewl [09:22] hi psyatw [09:26] hi Kilos [09:40] * Kilos greets superfly [09:40] maybe second time? [09:44] ! [09:51] hi Vince-0 [09:51] haai [09:57] hi Kilos [09:57] Vince-0: [09:57] (hi) [09:58] suup [10:15] hi Vince-0 [10:15] hi superfly [10:17] whatsuup [10:19] hi psyatw [10:21] * Squirm yawns [10:21] I need a holiday [10:22] hi Squirm [10:22] I have just had holidays [10:22] lucky you [10:22] and I really needed them too [10:22] I've been at work for a whole 2 days already! [10:22] my 3 weeks wasn't enough :/ [10:23] actually I lie, it was too much for the amount of money I earn :/ [10:23] So I didn't really do much [10:23] but I guess a break is a break [10:23] haha [10:23] yeah [10:30] hi psyatw [10:30] hi charl [10:31] Symmetria: i get 11mbps down and 19 mbps up [10:32] psyatw: how's it going [10:32] hi Vince-0 [10:35] charl, I am doing fine now, I slept a lot last night after arriving here yesterday morning [10:35] charl, and you? [10:35] oh you are back in poland? [10:35] i'm doing really well [10:35] yes, I took the bus Monday afternoon in the The Hague [10:36] you should really come and see Poland for yourself when you get the chance [10:36] it´s not as bad as people think it is [10:36] i'm sure but i need to get some time and my travel list of long [10:37] next up is actually brussels for me [10:37] (fosdem) [10:37] I wanted to go to Paris during these past holidays [10:37] but I didn´t have enough money for that [10:38] actually a whole day in Eindhoven was quite expensive for me mostly because of the high price of train tickets in the Netherlands [10:38] and yes, I would like to go to FOSDEM too [10:39] luckeee [10:44] How bad do people think it is? ;) [10:44] Jeez. It's not Belarus. :P [10:45] wbb [10:47] confluency: no offense but poland is not actually known to be a wealthy country [10:49] Poland has received a lot of financial support from the EU. And it's generally a lot better-off than its neighbours to the east. [10:49] Poles emigrate to the UK -- but a lot of people from furtehr east emigrate to Poland. ;) [10:50] From a development point of view it's probably better-off than ZA -- I think I worked out at some point that the GDP is abut the same (but ZA doesn't receive EU aid :/). [10:55] oh and don´t underestimate Belarus either [10:56] http://www.rferl.org/content/belarus-china-industrial-park-/25055422.html [10:58] http://www.development.by/advantage/ [11:02] confluency, I am having quite a comfortable life over here in Poland, I would only like my salary to be a bit higher than what it is now :) [11:04] hi nlsthzn [11:04] hi mazal [11:05] Hey psyatw [11:05] salute [11:05] hi nlsthzn [11:05] no word yet uncle Kilos .... grrrrr [11:05] gotta try find zte cellc modem firmware and flash the thing [11:06] works straight off on buntu but ian needs it to work on win as well [11:06] oh well [11:06] as long as you are well thats fine [11:36] confluency: that is exactly what is controversial - why do we (netherlands, germany, etc) have to pay for the poles and the greeks [11:36] confluency: in the long term, it *might* pay off *if* they get their act together [11:36] confluency: but right now we are just seeing our tax money going off to foreign countries [11:37] The Poles weren't ever quite as badly off as the Greeks. :P [11:37] that is very true, but nevertheless [11:37] or the irish, for that matter [11:37] or the portuguese etc [11:38] the entire fiat banking system is designed to create debt [11:38] the US and the EU are effed and it will only get worse [11:38] Arguably for the same reason as our (middle-class people's) tax money goes to people who are less well-off. Because that's how society works. [11:38] the difference is, the money stays in the country and circulates in the country [11:38] What's a "country"? [11:39] netherlands, germany etc those are countries [11:39] I was being sarcastic. [11:39] a man made concept [11:39] The whole point of the EU is that people from the EU can live and work elsewhere in the EU. It is designed to erase borders to some extent. [11:39] yeah but in practise that is complete nonsense [11:40] because if i live i germany i can live and work there but i can not participate in german elections [11:40] And if you do that, it kind of behooves you to look after the less-well-off parts of your giant economic region. [11:40] they might give me *some* benefits but i still am not german [11:40] They haven't removed *all* national boundaries, but it's a good start. [11:40] good is rarely what i would call it [11:40] If you live there for long enough, you can apply for citizenship. [11:41] just as in any other country outside the EU [11:41] Do you have citizenship in another EU country? [11:41] me, no [11:42] the only difference for me is i can go to germany or belgium or wherever without having to first go through border control and exchange currency [11:42] It's not quite the same thing, then. If someone from e.g. France lives and works in Germany they can't vote there, but they can vote in France (and thus they have some control over what happens in the EU and thus Germany). How is your situation any different in the EU than it would be if you lived in the US, or Kazakhstan? [11:42] that's exactly my point [11:43] it isn't [11:43] so what makes the EU special then... just that i can live and work in another EU country without needing a visa [11:43] that is literally where it stops [11:43] Yes, but you were complaining that you can't vote in Germany as if this was in some way connected to the way the EU is set up. You're in the same situation as you would be in any other country of which you are not a citizen. [11:43] no you are missing the point [11:44] what i was trying to show you is that this whole "one europa" thing is crap [11:44] you still very much have different countries, each with their own culture, own language, own economic situation [11:44] Obviously it isn't literally a single country. But it has broken down some economic barriers. [11:45] perhaps, and created new ones in the process [11:45] And it makes sense that if you have reasonably free trade and free movement of your workforce you should also support weaker member states financially. [11:45] that's the part i don't get, why? [11:45] Otherwise you will have a mass exodus from those states and weaken them further. c.f. massive migration to cities from the Eastern Cape in ZA. [11:46] well that's exactly what we are seeing right now in any case [11:46] Because it's the right thing to do? Because you are reaping the benefits of a massive educated workforce coming to wealthier members to work? [11:47] massive educated workforce? really? [11:47] From the former Eastern Bloc states? yes. [11:48] i would like to see the statistics [12:04] charl: Here you go: https://www.iser.essex.ac.uk/publications/working-papers/iser/2012-22 [12:22] confluency: thanks, looking [12:23] You can find more data by googling stuff like "education level eu immigrants" (obviously without quotes). There are other papers and studies. [12:24] I was focusing on the UK, but you can probably find statistics for Germany. The immigration profile is probably slightly different there because it's further east and easier to get to. [12:30] yeah you see this is the type of stuff i really do not like [12:30] We find that compared to EU15 immigrants, EU8 immigrants are more likely to be [12:30] male, married and to have dependent children. They also seem to be negatively selected in [12:30] terms of education. [12:30] i'm not gonna paste the rest of the paragraph but this is what i don't want to read [12:31] so much for all the "massive educated workforce" [12:45] Maybe you should read the rest of the paper. [12:49] i only scanned through some of it now, but i'll read through the rest of it later [12:49] regarldess, i am not against immigration, especially considering i'm half-immigrant myself [12:49] anything in particular i need to look at? [12:50] A lot of the education I'm talking about is represented by qualifications that are not recognised in the UK, which the paper acknowledges in several places. [12:51] that makes it hard to draw conclusions [12:51] but it's not just about education, read the rest of that paragraph [14:21] hmm... i need some help please [14:21] www.techytalk.info/disable-virtual-cd-rom-drive-with-built-in-software-on-huawei-and-zte-gsm-modem-devices/ [14:22] im in the terminal and changed the serial device but cant hit save [14:22] must save as dfl but i dunno how [14:22] ctrl+o dont work [14:25] nm ian found it ty [14:34] superfly: moved the ubuntu-za site to the new CLUG server, but it doesn't seem very happy [15:03] Kilos: technically you don't need minicom [15:03] hmm... [15:03] GNU screen should suffice [15:04] xp and win7 dont see the modem inetpro [15:04] unfortunately can't help now [15:04] np [15:04] linux sees it fine [16:26] Kilos: i can recall an issue a number of years ago with an e220 [16:26] something about the usb flash drive read-only interface interfering with the usb modem capabilities [16:26] there was a workaround but it was so many years ago i can't recall it [16:27] my e220 works kiff except for timeout if im innactive for to long [16:27] afaik i got it somewhere off launchpad under a bug report [16:27] ah i see [16:27] i flashed it and put mobile parner firmware in place of vodastuff [16:28] oh you replaced the firmware? [16:28] its this zte of ians that dont work on windows [16:28] yessir [16:28] ah ok that i have no experience with [16:28] the e220 is lekker for downloading iso's because i get up to 580kB/s with it [16:29] it's a all round good modem, i used to use one as well, it worked gteat [16:29] *great [16:29] i once got almost 2mbps if i remember correctly, somewhere in pretoria [16:29] yeah as i say its only the timeout i gotta sort still [16:29] wow [16:30] i never really left it on for too long [16:30] back in those days i used to have a few hundred megabytes monthly limit [16:30] but if i want to stay online then i use my old arab modem [16:30] which model is that? [16:32] um [16:32] sjoe [16:32] its an stc alcatel [16:32] from saudi arabia [16:33] cant do over 320 kB/s but never disconnects [16:33] 2mb/s is slow man [16:33] mine is in bytes per sec [17:12] hey Kilos, everyone else [17:24] hi theblazehen [17:40] hi psychicist [17:40] wb psychicist [17:40] hi theblazehen [17:40] how's it going [17:47] hey charl good and you? [17:50] hi Kilos [17:50] ty charl [17:50] bbl [18:22] Hi Kilos [18:23] The dvd arrived , i will fetch it at the post office tomorrow. Hope ubuntu is good to me. [18:24] ohi Gotango has it arrived? [18:24] yay [18:24] it will be [18:24] Yeah it actually arrived this morning , i couldve had it now, but only checked the post this evening [18:26] I will wana do a dual boot though , and not lose win7 until i know 12.04 works as expected [18:26] Thanks again :) [18:28] happy to hear it got there. we are here if you need help [18:29] and if after you have it going you stay away here ill send the mafia after you [18:29] Aslong as i have an internet connection lol. I dont have irc on another device [18:29] lol [18:30] lol , no not the mafia! Okay okay i will stay promise :D [18:31] Kilos: by the way, that fix may not work for windows [18:31] yeah inetpro it still wont install anything to 7 [18:31] grrr [18:32] they built these things with a usb drive exactly for the purpose of windows [18:32] ive even downloaded 2 kindsa firmware at over 40m each and they in spanish and the go button is greyed out [18:33] that usb drive normally contains the drivers that are necessary for windows [18:33] ya most modems open an install window on plugin [18:33] this one dont [18:33] but it connects first time with ubuntu [18:34] so you still want to continue doing that hack? [18:36] Hey inetpro [18:36] i dunno what to do inetpro ian needs it to work on win [18:36] Is this hack about me Kilos [18:36] no about a zte mf 190 modem [18:37] Oh okay [18:37] i even mailed zte and they say take it to where you bought it [18:37] no online help available without joining some other group [18:39] inetpro, what does that hack do? [18:39] disable virtual CD-ROM drive [18:39] i ran some of it now 7 sees it as storage device and no modprobe in 7 [18:39] grrr [18:40] it's a USB thingy? [18:40] so i think that hack helped some [18:40] ya [18:41] I'm not sure whether it will work but try the following [18:41] sudo screen /dev/ttyUSB0 [18:41] one of the longish ones not fat like e220 [18:41] what will that do [18:41] were you able to issue AT commands with minicom? [18:41] it works here [18:41] only the first one [18:42] then it ran for hours doing i dunno what [18:42] so you did get a response after issuing: AT^U2DIAG=0 [18:42] ? [18:42] some query and ok [18:43] oh no the other one [18:43] which one? [18:43] oh those were command not found [18:45] i find lotsa stuff to make it work in linux but it does, thats where ians prob was he bought it quite a while back and ran with kde till now now he needs it to work on win [18:46] Kilos: the AT command is just a Hayes command typically used for dialup modems [18:46] they said command not found [18:46] didnt try sudo though [18:47] never said niks about permissions [18:48] you need minicom or GNUS screen to connect to the modem before issuing the command [18:48] GNU screen [18:48] or any of the other modem softwares [18:48] oh [18:50] im rebooting to ubuntu [18:50] there [18:50] not here [18:51] the AT command "AT^U2DIAG=0" is effectively supposed to change the configuration of the modem to disable the virtual CD-ROM drive [18:52] i first gotta think how to find where it is [18:53] where what is? [18:53] usb 0 or 1 or 2 [18:54] most likely 0 [18:54] sudo screen /dev/ttyUSB0 [18:55] hmm [18:55] ok im on from there too [18:55] here be me [18:56] what do you get when you type: sudo screen /dev/ttyUSB0 [18:56] obviously with the modem attached [18:56] sudo: screen: command not found [18:56] ai! [18:57] aptitude install screen [18:57] must i install screen [18:57] ah [18:58] one of the first things I always install [18:59] i see a terminal witha white block [18:59] can't live a day without screen [18:59] ive only used screen with QA on host [18:59] just type 'AT' and ENTER without the quotes [19:00] nothing [19:01] hmm... [19:01] white block only [19:01] press Ctrl+a and then press k [19:01] flashing white block [19:01] ain't working [19:02] same [19:02] really kill this window? [19:02] press Ctrl+a then leave it and then press k [19:02] \yes [19:02] kill it [19:03] ok gone [19:03] it's not talking to the modem correctly [19:03] minicom will most likely also not work [19:04] you sure its on /dev/ttyUSB0 not 2 [19:04] well you can try [19:04] inetpro: shouldn't that be AT+ not AT^ ? [19:04] in minicom it had me change ttyUSB8 to USB2 [19:04] Kilos-: don't use minicom, use cutecom [19:05] lemme install cutecom [19:05] Kilos: try it [19:05] it's a GUI serial terminal [19:05] * superfly wrote his own serial terminal, but that's a little more involved to get working [19:06] screen should work if you have the correct device [19:07] how do i see which usb port its in [19:08] ahh mine works with /dev/ttyUSB0 [19:08] * inetpro tried with my old Vodacom stick [19:08] Bus 001 Device 005: ID 19d2:0082 ZTE WCDMA Technologies MSM [19:09] if you press just 'AT' and ENTER you should get a OK response [19:09] thatslsusb but tell me [19:09] AT: command not found [19:10] Kilos: nee man [19:10] connect with screen first [19:10] or with cutecom as suggested by superfly [19:10] ive opened cutecom [19:11]