[00:00] <valorie> and check whether or not that list is up-to-date
[00:00] <valorie> I wrote that ~6 months ago
[00:00] <sgclark> ahh ok, is there an easy way for me to see package list?
[00:01] <valorie> probably not finalized yet, but there should be something....
[00:02] <valorie> darn it, what was that called....
[00:03] <sgclark> I will add a being edited tag to software page then till I get it figured out
[00:05] <valorie> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/trusty/alpha-1/trusty-desktop-amd64.manifest
[00:05] <valorie> manifest is the word I forgot
[00:06] <sgclark> thanks!
[00:06] <valorie> shouldn't change too much
[00:07] <valorie> shadeslayer: I know you are still awake -- how much will that change ^^^
[00:08] <shadeslayer> hmm, atleast pm-utils will be dropped
[00:08] <shadeslayer> probably early next week
[00:08] <shadeslayer> if I survive the flight and my cousins bachelor party
[00:08] <valorie> ok, I think that will not affect the docs
[00:08] <valorie> which is all we care about atm
[00:08] <shadeslayer> the most important thing affecting docs will be my driver manager
[00:09] <valorie> oooo, bachelor's party
[00:09] <shadeslayer> which I really really should finish off
[00:09] <valorie> yes, please
[00:09] <sgclark> hmm, anyway to get that manifest without system level stuff?
[00:09] <valorie> and ping us when you are ready with it
[00:09] <shadeslayer> will do, first thing to do is write installation support
[00:09] <shadeslayer> I've spent too much time thinking about what the UI should look like
[00:10] <valorie> sgclark: I just copied it to a kate file and x-ed off stuff I didn't want to list or was done with
[00:10] <valorie> and asked here about the rest
[00:10] <sgclark> cool, I can do that
[00:10] <Riddell> busy evening :)
[00:10] <valorie> now that you have inducted sgclark into ninjas, we're working her to death in the Docs mines
[00:11] <sgclark> hey Riddell, I got my stuff sorted. do tests normally take hours? lol
[00:11] <shadeslayer> you can also look at the seeds
[00:11] <shadeslayer> which usually have a shorter list of packages
[00:11] <shadeslayer> specifically the desktop seed
[00:11] <Riddell> sgclark: which stuff? which tests?
[00:12] <sgclark> Riddell, my flood of emails to list, disregard. the package I am building has been stuck on a test forever
[00:13] <Riddell> sgclark: stuck on the same test?
[00:13] <sgclark> shadeslayer helped me out a ton :)
[00:13] <Riddell> sgclark: that probably means the test is broken, are you running it in a pbuilder or something?
[00:14] <sgclark> no just a VM with daily build
[00:15] <shadeslayer> if you think that's long try compiling firefox ... 
[00:15] <shadeslayer> or Qt ....
[00:15] <valorie> shadeslayer: do you have a link to desktop seeds?
[00:15] <Riddell> hmm, well I guess there's something the test work with about the build if it really is stuck
[00:15] <Riddell> often they expect X which is hard to get during most package builds
[00:15] <sgclark> lol yeah, I use Gentoo so firefox updates are overnight thing lol
[00:15] <shadeslayer> valorie: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu.trusty/view/head:/desktop
[00:16] <valorie> cool
[00:16] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[00:16] <valorie> danke schon
[00:16] <shadeslayer> valorie: touchpad kcm
[00:16] <Riddell> sgclark: pst, I have this really good distribution you should try where they compile the programmes for you, it's called ooboontoo or something similar
[00:16] <shadeslayer> that's another thing to be replaced
[00:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's the deal with qt 4.8.5? is there something I should be testing?
[00:16] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I heard the developers are pretty kickass people
[00:16] <valorie> I don't think we list that fine-grain stuff in Docs
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm reviewing 4.8.5
[00:17] <sgclark> Riddell this computer is Kubuntu :) just don't dev on it, my stable "social"  box
[00:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: along with mitya57
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/experimental
[00:18] <sgclark> I can figure out from that file what normal users would be looking for with a software page, thanks!
[00:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: feel free to check runtime stuff, I'm still reviewing patches and doing cleanups
[00:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: what's so hard about kimageformats copyrights? it all seems to be LGPL
[00:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: all of them? I don't think so
[00:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: all I can see.  some 2, some 2.1 and some unversioned
[00:20] <shadeslayer> feel free to do it, I just don't want to bother with that stuff, makes me want to rage
[00:20] <sgclark> I am not a fan of copyrights heh
[00:21] <shadeslayer> it's annoying how one has to do it
[00:23] <valorie> the hard thing with foss copyrights is keeping everything up-to-date
[00:24] <Riddell> I find it interesting, I guess that's why I maintain the KDE licence policy
[00:24] <shadeslayer> ^^ :)
[00:24] <shadeslayer> I'm sorry I find it insanely boring to do that :P
[00:24] <shadeslayer> I realize its a very important aspect of KDE, but really, it's super boring
[00:26] <shadeslayer> Riddell: fyi : Now that multiarch support is available in the package manager (dpkg 1.16.2 and above; apt 0.8.12 and above), converting your runtime library package to Multi-Arch: same makes it possible for users to install your package for more than one architecture at the same time. This has several benefits: 
[00:27] <shadeslayer> https://wiki.debian.org/Multiarch/Implementation
[00:28] <shadeslayer> so makes sense for libs that are installed into /usr/lib/arch/
[00:40] <Riddell> sgclark: oh it's probably dbus
[00:41] <Riddell> the dbus server isn't running in the packaging
[00:41] <Riddell> sgclark: just disable the test
[00:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you don't need the default %: rule if you're using dhmk
[00:42] <shadeslayer> oh huh, didn't know
[00:43] <shadeslayer> sgclark: alternatively, override dh_auto_test , run export `dbus-launch` and then launch dh_auto_test
[00:44]  * valorie goes off to dinner
[00:45] <sgclark> ok thank you!
[00:47] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/track/distributions/ < empty?
[00:50] <Riddell> shrug, dunno who runs that room
[00:53] <sgclark> worked like a charm, thanks shadeslayer
[00:53] <shadeslayer> cheers :)
[00:59] <Riddell> clever shadeslayer 
[01:00] <shadeslayer> hehe
[01:00]  * Riddell snoozes
[02:09]  * sgclark is really away now
[02:24] <shadeslayer> sgclark: lintian is a tool to check for common packaging issues
[02:24] <shadeslayer> see man lintian
[02:24] <sgclark> yeah, I just don't have a clue of what that particular error is
[02:24] <shadeslayer> google it
[02:25] <sgclark> yeah tried that
[02:25] <sgclark> I will keep trying
[02:25] <shadeslayer> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/version-substvar-for-external-package.html
[02:25] <sgclark> stuck on symbols atm
[02:26] <shadeslayer> ah we live in a weird age of communication, you email with a issue, I reply on IRC
[02:26] <sgclark> yeah I found that page, I don'r see anywhere what I need to do to fix
[02:26] <shadeslayer> please read the error carefully :)
[02:26] <shadeslayer> do you have a libkf5dbusaddons in debian/control
[02:26] <shadeslayer> or is it libkf5dbusaddons5
[02:26] <shadeslayer> or something like that
[02:28] <shadeslayer> ok, good night
[02:28] <sgclark> ooh has a 5
[02:28] <shadeslayer> :)
[02:28] <sgclark> night, thanks for all your help!
[02:28] <shadeslayer> now read the error :P
[08:57] <soee> good morning
[08:58] <lordieva1er> Good morning.
[11:39] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[11:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe we should bring back the proper language-pack-kde- for kubuntu stuff?
[11:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: why? there's only a few files aren't there? they can go in language-pack-xx no?
[12:04] <apachelogger> that's what I thought, they are somehow getting more
[12:04] <apachelogger> lattest addition: kdesudo
[12:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: when apol checks in please tell him that AbstractResource.h in muon has whitespacing issues
[12:07] <soee> any idea why muon loads like 1 minute ?
[12:18] <apachelogger> soee: install muon-dbg; start muon with `gdb --args muon-discover --nofork`; type 'r' and hit enter in the resulting prompt; muon will start an the terminal will have a wall of text; wait until the terminal has a bit clamed down (~10 seconds) and hit ctrl+c; type 'set logging on' and hit enter; type 'thread apply all bt' and hit enter (possibly multiple times until you are back at a prompt); type 'set logging off' and hit enter; type 'c' and 
[12:18] <apachelogger> hit enter'; wait a bit more; repeat ctrl+c... 
[12:18] <apachelogger> do this until muon has finished starting, then ctrl+c and type 'quit'
[12:18] <apachelogger> then `kate gdb.txt` paste the information from that file
[12:18]  * apachelogger should totally blog about these things at some point
[12:18] <soee> :o
[12:19] <apachelogger> 1 minutes sounds a lot like dbus timeouts though
[12:20] <soee> i have to install ~520 mb :D
[12:20] <soee> this packages require it: kdelibs5-dbg libqt4-dbg muon-dbg qapt-dbg  
[12:20] <apachelogger> sounds about right
[12:22] <soee> apachelogger, gdb --args muon-discover --nofork
[12:22] <soee> muon-discover ?
[12:22] <apachelogger> or muon
[12:22] <apachelogger> or muon-update
[12:23] <soee> ill go with muon
[12:23] <apachelogger> well, whatever GUI takes so long to start :P
[12:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: so... regarding l10n .... lightdm needs new release, usermanager needs new snapshot, synaptiks is being replaced by new software from upstream which should be i18n'd correctly, qapt has a legit i18n issue, otherwise it's launchpad/langpack madness
[12:32] <soee> apachelogger, yes: http://pastebin.kde.org/psub8yn4s ?
[12:32] <Riddell> apachelogger: good diagnosing!
[12:33] <apachelogger> soee: yes
[12:34] <soee> apachelogger, http://pastebin.kde.org/puwccc4bw
[12:35] <apachelogger> soee: you're supposed to repeat that a couple of times :P
[12:36] <apachelogger> from what you pasted there is no reason for it to be stuck though
[12:36] <soee> apachelogger, you wrote: muon will start an the terminal will have a wall of text
[12:36] <apachelogger> soee: or is it only stuck for 2 runs?
[12:36] <soee> but there is only few lines
[12:36] <apachelogger> soee: depends on the app
[12:37] <soee> apachelogger, no its loads long each time i try to run it
[12:37] <apachelogger> right, so get more output please :P
[12:37] <apachelogger> currently I see two ctrl+c loops
[12:38] <soee> so repeat ctrl+c , than logging etc. ?
[12:38] <apachelogger> yep
[12:38] <apachelogger> just do it as often as possible until the application is usable
[12:38] <soee> he ?
[12:39] <soee> application is usable ?
[12:39] <apachelogger> well, until startup has finished
[12:39] <soee> with this terminal command it starts quick
[12:39] <apachelogger> what?
[12:39] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:39] <soee> one sec
[12:40] <apachelogger> muon --nofork
[12:40] <apachelogger> does that also start quick?
[12:40] <apachelogger> (i.e. without the gdb --args)
[12:46] <soee> hmm
[12:46] <soee> if i run muon from terminal and close it i have this: Couldn't find the releasechecker script 
[12:46] <soee> /usr/bin/python3: can't find '__main__' module in ''
[12:46] <soee> but muon starts in 1 second
[12:46] <soee> if i try to run it from krunner it takes ~1 min
[12:47] <soee> *saucy
[12:49] <apachelogger> Oo
[12:50] <BluesKaj> soee, sudo updatedb , every once in a while 
[12:50] <apachelogger> soee: start from krunner, then check ~/.cache/upstart/startkde.log for output regarding muon or the releasechecker
[12:50] <apachelogger> also if there is no release checker you likely broke something :P
[12:51] <soee> impossible its pc @work i do not mess with it here :)
[12:53] <Peace-> apachelogger: 
[12:54] <Peace-> apachelogger: can you try palava.tv with firefox , chromium , which don't work , and with chrome that works ?
[12:54] <Peace-> apachelogger: i have tried to change phonon backedn from vlc to gstremer and i got the issue 
[12:56] <apachelogger> neither firefox nor chromium use phonon
[12:57] <Peace-> apachelogger: there is an issue btw 
[12:57] <Peace-> apachelogger: i have tested 2 times
[12:57] <Peace-> if i change pphonon backend i have that problem 
[12:59] <Peace-> apachelogger: i am here https://palava.tv/mio
[13:00] <soee> apachelogger, from start till close http://pastebin.kde.org/pen6o79cu
[13:03] <soee> also i tried again and i have: 
[13:03] <soee> Couldn't find the releasechecker script 
[13:03] <soee> /usr/bin/python3: can't find '__main__' module in ''
[13:03] <apachelogger> very peculiar
[14:14] <Riddell> sgclark: yo, you had some packaging done?
[14:37] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: hey if you want a tutorial in packaging kf5 I'm happy to do that too :)
[15:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am waiting for kdesudo and whoopsie to actually get accepted form the translation import queue and then I'll file a batch of bugs for all the templates we currently don't have in a language pack
[15:14] <apachelogger> also we really need someone to look at :S https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-properties/+bug/1234106
[15:15] <Riddell> apachelogger: do we?  I don't think any strings are actually used from the ui file
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sgclark to speed up things http://pastebin.kde.org/pow6r17ey
[15:53] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[15:53] <shadeslayer> wait
[15:53] <yofel> make the version a parameter, use $DEBEMAIL and you can add that to the tools
[15:53] <yofel> ^^
[15:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: better idea :D
[15:54] <shadeslayer> I'll just make a template for dh_make
[15:54] <shadeslayer> and boom
[15:54] <yofel> that can use templates? cool
[15:54] <shadeslayer> apparently!
[15:54] <Riddell> I downloaded all the tars already to batch it up
[15:55] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:55] <Riddell> and I just copy and adapt packaging from threadweaver or something known good
[15:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: wait, I'm writing a dh_make template, to use
[16:01] <Quintasan> Do I hear some packaging?
[16:02] <Riddell> KF5!
[16:02] <Riddell> Quintasan: you know you want to!
[16:02] <Riddell> https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks
[16:02] <Quintasan> I guess I can go one or two Tier 1 if they are not done yet
[16:02] <Riddell> !ninjas | KF5 takes you back to raw packaging
[16:03] <Quintasan> Riddell: For next release I believe it would be wise to split them Tier-wise
[16:03] <Riddell> Quintasan: who split?
[16:04] <Quintasan> Riddell: split as in on the EtherPad
[16:04] <Quintasan> Instead of throwing all the names into huge list
[16:04] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh feel free to do now :)
[16:04] <yofel> for the next release you should be scripting that
[16:04] <Quintasan> yofel++
[16:04] <Riddell> yep
[16:05] <yofel> should work mostly the same as kde sc
[16:10] <Quintasan> Any bzr branches?
[16:11] <Riddell> Quintasan: not yet, still to do that
[16:11] <Quintasan> Okay, I'll gotta upgrade muh tools first.
[16:12] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Where is muh dh_make template?
[16:12] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: 5 minutes
[16:14] <Riddell> Quintasan: just copy an existing one in the archive
[16:17] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kf5/
[16:17] <shadeslayer> there we go
[16:17] <shadeslayer> :)
[16:17] <shadeslayer> just for libs though
[16:19] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:19] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: you'll need to edit debian/rules
[16:19] <shadeslayer> my sed is wrong in new_kf5.sh
[16:20] <shadeslayer> hmm
[16:23] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Unable to find the customization directory, ./debianl
[16:23] <Quintasan> Cannot find rules file for rules format "dh7".
[16:23] <Quintasan> ;_;
[16:24] <shadeslayer> I have a /tmp/debianl/rules.dh7
[16:25] <Quintasan> It needs a absolute path
[16:25] <Quintasan> I guess
[16:25] <shadeslayer> I suppose
[16:25] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: new_kf5.sh updated
[16:27] <Quintasan> Extra parameters on command line
[16:27] <Quintasan> xD
[16:29] <Quintasan> nvm, forgot bash doesnt have zsh variables
[16:29] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: new_kf5v updated
[16:30] <shadeslayer> whut, dh_make doesn't write a changelog
[16:30] <shadeslayer> fuuu
[16:31] <Quintasan> we also should consider using Kubuntu Developers as DEBFULLNAME and respective address as DEBMAIL :P
[16:32] <utusan> so what exactly is kde version in trusty?  am seeing 4.11.5 and 4.12.0.  is this a feature or not?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> utusan: that's fine
[16:32] <shadeslayer> KDE Workspace is at 4.11.5
[16:32] <utusan> run time and kde libs are 4.12.0
[16:33] <shadeslayer> utusan: it's fine
[16:33] <utusan> if you say so, will check
[16:36] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: update template
[16:36] <utusan> but why mix?  
[16:37] <yofel> because kde-workspace is frozen at 4.11.X
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ask upstream
[16:37] <yofel> and they didn't want to version it 4.12 just for the heck of it
[16:37] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:40] <utusan> yofel: shadeslayer ok thanks for the info.  somehow I think kde has lost it.  it became a monster bloat that got blindsided by the tablets
[16:40] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: no copyright as well
[16:41] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: can't be templated
[16:41] <shadeslayer> oh
[16:41] <Quintasan> I think -r dh7 -t /tmp/debianl could work
[16:41] <shadeslayer> well, just copy it over from the default dh_make templates
[16:41] <Quintasan> That's not automatization :P
[16:43] <Riddell> you can't automate much of this
[16:43] <Riddell> they're new packages
[16:43] <Riddell> all unique
[16:43] <Quintasan>  pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy : Depends: extra-cmake-modules which is a virtual package.
[16:43] <Quintasan> uhh
[16:43] <shadeslayer> added the experimental ppa?
[16:43] <shadeslayer> and dafuq just happened there ^^
[16:43]  * Quintasan copies the pbuilder for ninja
[16:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: you haven't read my report :'<
[16:46] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/a/sEcep#7
[16:46] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/a/sEcep#6
[16:46] <apachelogger> http://imgur.com/a/sEcep#5
[16:48] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: update
[16:49] <apachelogger> Quintasan: build
[16:49] <Quintasan> apachelogger: build what?
[16:49]  * apachelogger did not know Quintasan was a builder, fancy tho
[16:49] <Quintasan> okay
[16:49] <Quintasan> this sucks
[16:49] <Quintasan> Could not find a configuration file for package "Qt5Core" that is
[16:49] <Quintasan>   compatible with requested version "5.2.0".
[16:50] <apachelogger> Quintasan: build codeine-phonon5_0.0+git20140109.dsc
[16:50] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: add Qt ppa
[16:50] <shadeslayer> the one that the experimental ppa depends on
[16:50] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: Why is that not in trusty yet? links to ppa pls
[16:50] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: out of interest ... why not require libqtcore5-dev >= 5.2.0?
[16:50] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~canonical-qt5-edgers/+archive/qt5-beta2
[17:11] <Quintasan> shadeslayer: also, source/format would be nice to have there
[17:11] <Quintasan> :P
[17:16] <Quintasan> and qt5-default as well
[17:16]  * Quintasan hides
[17:23] <shadeslayer> idk about qt5-default
[17:23] <shadeslayer> but yeah, it'll take a bit of time to get small kinks worked out :)
[17:24] <shadeslayer> like right now the dev package has a 5 in the name
[17:27] <shadeslayer> need a description for kguiaddons
[17:31] <Riddell> "Qt widgets for colours, fonts and text" ?
[18:01] <sgclark> sorry I was up late and slept in... I delete the symbol file and run debuild -S again?
[18:01] <sgclark> Riddell: ^^
[18:02] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah
[18:03] <sgclark> ok now I have the key issue
[18:03] <sgclark> what do I upload to where?
[18:04] <sgclark> and packaging is fun btw :)
[18:04] <Riddell> the .dsc .debian.tar.gz and .orig.tar.xz
[18:04] <Riddell> to whereever I can get them :)
[18:11] <sgclark> ubuntu-bug? I can't see a way to create a bug on launchpad
[18:12] <sgclark> or maybe I can create a project on launchpad?
[18:13] <Riddell> oh maybe you need magic permissions for that
[18:13] <Riddell> sgclark: I'll give you an account on the kubuntu server, what username do you want?
[18:14] <sgclark> scarlett or sgclark
[18:18] <Riddell> hmm no I won't, it's full
[18:20] <sgclark> dropbox?
[18:20] <sgclark> ubuntu one?
[18:20] <sgclark> lol
[18:20] <Riddell> yeah if you have them
[18:23] <shadeslayer> sgclark: fyi I have templates and scripts to work with 
[18:23] <shadeslayer> sonnet packaging took me ~5 minutes :)
[18:23] <sgclark> wow
[18:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: are we using Multi-Arch:same across all packages?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> sgclark: not including copyright files :P
[18:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I am yes
[18:25] <sgclark> lol, I got that sorted finally
[18:25] <shadeslayer> Riddell: and that's just for the main lib itself correct?
[18:25] <shadeslayer> so like under libkf5guiaddons5 , I have Multi-Arch: same
[18:25] <shadeslayer> the dev and dbg don't have it
[18:29] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now that I'm not too sure
[18:29] <Peace-> Riddell: can you help me with palava.tv and firefox on kubuntu ?
[18:29] <Peace-> Riddell: on fedora seems it works fine 
[18:29] <Peace-> instead on kubuntu it doens't
[18:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah, to me it sounds fine
[18:30] <Peace-> but firefox it's the same 26
[18:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thoughts on splitting out sonnet plugins into a separate pacakge
[18:32] <shadeslayer> *package
[18:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: depends on the dependencies they bring in I'd think
[18:34] <shadeslayer> brings in enchant and libenchant1c2a
[18:34] <sgclark> Riddell: did that send you an email for ubuntu one share?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> ~300 KB installed size
[18:35] <Riddell> sgclark: got it looking
[18:35] <sgclark> ok :)
[18:35]  * shadeslayer ships with sonnet
[18:39] <shadeslayer> bah, there's two libs :(
[18:39] <shadeslayer> libKF5SonnetCore5 & libKF5SonnetUi5
[18:40] <Riddell> will they be used separately?
[18:40] <Riddell> I've just put kconfig together
[18:40] <Riddell> but maybe I shouldn't
[18:40] <Riddell> libKF5ConfigCore.so and libKF5ConfigGui.so
[18:41] <Riddell> sgclark: good stuff, found these issues http://pastebin.kde.org/puqarg1l2
[18:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: README.md has handy description of some packages
[18:44] <sgclark> I used copyright helper, tests passed for me, how do I fix this stuff?
[18:46] <Riddell> sgclark: fix which one?
[18:47] <sgclark> I don't know what #2 means
[18:47] <Riddell> sgclark: oh the version number in debian/changelog is wrong
[18:48] <Riddell> should end in 1 not 3
[18:48] <sgclark> ty
[18:48] <Riddell> it's still the first version
[18:48] <yofel> shadeslayer: one dev package and 2 lib packages no?
[18:56] <sgclark> Riddell: number 3, that is the only info I could find on this package, I need more? less?
[18:57] <sgclark> number 4 I used copyright-helper, it is incorrect?
[18:57] <Riddell> sgclark: Description: lines need a 1 line short description
[18:57] <Riddell> then a multi line long description
[18:58] <Riddell> look at another package if you're unclear
[18:58] <Riddell> alas copyright can only be automated so much, src/kdbusinterprocesslock.cpp is LGPL2+ as approved by KDE e.V.  but you don't mention that
[18:58] <Riddell> probably others are too
[18:59] <sgclark> ok
[19:18] <sgclark> sorry, still stumped on copyright, I thought * meant all files unless othwise noted
[19:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yes it does
[19:20] <sgclark> my first entry is * LGPL-2+
[19:20] <Riddell> sgclark: so you're saying all are "LGPL-2+" when there are some which are "LGPL-2+ as approved by KDE e.V."
[19:20] <Riddell> compare src/kdbusinterprocesslock.cpp and src/kdbusconnectionpool.h
[19:21] <Riddell> first is later as approved by e.v.
[19:21] <Riddell> second is just 2 or later
[19:25] <sgclark> oh hrmm, this copyright helper is wrong... ugh
[19:26] <Riddell> this is probably why shadeslayer hates copyright files :)
[19:26] <sgclark> lol
[19:27] <sgclark> GPL2+ was same as in package we did, can you clarify what I did wrong there?
[19:29] <Riddell> sgclark: that's all fine
[19:30] <Riddell> just the "LGPL-2+ as approved by KDE e.V." was missing that I can see
[19:30] <sgclark> and tests pass here using shadeslayer method
[19:30] <sgclark> yeah fixing that
[19:30] <Riddell> great put that in debian/rules
[20:04] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell i don't know re sonnet
[20:05] <shadeslayer> each framework is supposed to be super modular as I understand it
[20:05] <shadeslayer> so maybe we want to not split it up further
[20:06] <yofel> uh, as I said, one dev package
[20:07] <yofel> and one binary package per lib with symbol file
[20:07] <yofel> or are you doing it differently?
[20:10] <Riddell> I agree with yofel 
[20:10] <shadeslayer> I haven't done anything yet
[20:11] <shadeslayer> so where do the plugins go now
[20:11] <shadeslayer> sonnet-plugins?
[20:11] <Riddell> sounds good
[20:11] <Riddell> or split them up if we're likely to not want to install them all
[20:12] <Riddell> how's it going sgclark?
[20:13]  * shadeslayer points out that templates and scripts have been updated
[20:14] <shadeslayer> 4 things you have to do : make a symbols file, fill out copyright, make sure libs are correct, and check the watch file
[20:14] <shadeslayer> oh and build deps
[20:15] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry still fighting with copyright
[20:16] <Riddell> oh watch file,I've been forgetting those
[20:17] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm away now, ping shadeslayer if you get it done or if you are struggling, I know how he loves to fill in copyright files
[20:18] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, thanks for you help
[20:19] <shadeslayer> /o\
[20:19] <shadeslayer> O
[20:20] <shadeslayer> I'll be heading back soon too
[20:20] <shadeslayer> and then I have to pack
[20:21] <shadeslayer> once I'm done with sonnet
[20:36] <BluesKaj> 14.04 suffered a setback yesterday for those using the 331 and 304 drivers after the 3.13 kernel upgrade. Had to revert to nouveau to enable 1920x1080 resolution 
[20:36] <BluesKaj> nvidia drivers that is
[20:40] <shadeslayer> please report bugs against the drivers?
[20:54] <BluesKaj> I'm content with the nouveau driver atm, if the problem persists for more tha n a couple of weeks I shall.
[23:06] <Riddell> sgclark: how did you get on?
[23:07] <sgclark> ?
[23:07] <Riddell> sgclark: with the packaging?
[23:07] <Riddell> ah you e-mailed
[23:07] <sgclark> oh, check the list, I am stuck at the rules
[23:07] <sgclark> for dh_auto_test
[23:08] <Riddell> sgclark: I suspected that might not work, dbus needs lots of things working in the enviroment and I guess something isn't set up as it wants when building the package
[23:08] <Riddell> you can either patch the code to not run the test or just override the rule to not run the tests
[23:22] <sgclark> Riddell: I got it working with the tests :)
[23:23] <sgclark> now the only thing I can't seem to get is descrption, it insists I have article, but I have one sentence then the next line contains more info.
[23:29] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh? how?
[23:29] <Riddell> sgclark: pastebin what you have paste.ubuntu.com
[23:29] <sgclark> I mailed the list with my final solution
[23:30] <Riddell> awesome, well done :)
[23:31] <sgclark> :)
[23:31] <sgclark> baffled on descrption though
[23:32] <Riddell> sgclark: pastebin and I'll tell you how to fix the description
[23:33] <sgclark> ok
[23:34] <sgclark> paste.ubuntu.com/6723684/
[23:37] <Riddell> sgclark: "Description: a " remove the "a"
[23:38] <Riddell> and you're all good
[23:39] <sgclark> super!
[23:42] <sgclark> Riddell: new files are up
[23:43] <Riddell> sgclark: where?
[23:43] <sgclark> same place as earlier, sec
[23:44] <Riddell> ubuntu one? got them
[23:44] <sgclark> yeah
[23:46] <sgclark> what does needs watch mean on the ninjas-frameworks notes
[23:47] <Riddell> sgclark: a watch file is a nifty file which points to where upstream put the files for download so we can do things like automatically check for new upstream versions
[23:47] <Riddell> sgclark: I've entirely forgotten to add them to any packages so I'll be doing that tomorrow
[23:47] <Riddell> sgclark: kdbusaddons looks like a work of perfection, I'll upload
[23:48] <sgclark> Riddell: ok
[23:48] <sgclark> Riddell: great :) I will start another
[23:48] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded!  you are a ninja master!
[23:48] <sgclark> :)
[23:59] <sgclark> err Riddell: I boo boo'd and forgot to debuild -S should I reupload?