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| pitti | Good morning | 05:30 |
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| makara | hi. I have a paper-cuts issue | 06:52 |
| makara | I love Docky, even if it's mono and crashes often (and on every upgrade) | 06:53 |
| makara | the issue I'm having is it doesn't hide anymore | 06:53 |
| makara | i must have changed some setting in CCSM and now hiding options like intellihide, window-dodge just don't do their thing | 06:54 |
| sarnold | you may wish to try #docky | 07:00 |
| mlankhorst | Hello, world! | 08:26 |
| makara | sarnold, thx | 08:28 |
| makara | sarnold, but there's no-one in there | 08:28 |
| Laney | hey | 09:04 |
| Laney | stgraber: I'd file a bug and assign it to Robert | 09:05 |
| seb128 | hey Laney, how are you? | 09:05 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers! | 09:05 |
| Laney | hey seb128, I'm good thank you | 09:09 |
| Laney | played board games in the pub yesterday including http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/131357/coup which is a fun one ;-) | 09:10 |
| Laney | you? | 09:10 |
| seb128 | I'm good thanks | 09:11 |
| seb128 | "board games in the pub" sounds like a nice evening ;-) | 09:12 |
| seb128 | my evening was boring compared to that :p some house-cleaning and videogame playing | 09:13 |
| Laney | heh | 09:15 |
| Laney | found some people recently who are into games so we get together every week or so to play a couple | 09:15 |
| seb128 | nice! ;-) | 09:17 |
| Laney | houses need cleaning too :P | 09:17 |
| seb128 | lol, indeed :p | 09:18 |
| seb128 | hum | 09:18 |
| seb128 | daily upgrade is unhappy | 09:18 |
| mitya57 | Do we have some glib masters here who can look at bug 1256961? | 09:19 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1256961 in gnome-panel (Ubuntu) "new glib (2.39.1) causes some indicators & nautilus to not load promptly" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1256961 | 09:19 |
| seb128 | mitya57, glib master -> desrt | 09:19 |
| seb128 | though that has "indicator" in the name so maybe larsu can help as well | 09:19 |
| Laney | I looked at that towards the end of last year after darkxst pinged but I didn't find out what was up | 09:20 |
| Laney | gnome-session stays in the intialisation phase for ages | 09:20 |
| larsu | interesting... | 09:22 |
| larsu | sounds like indicator-applet needs a long time to init and gnome-panel waits for that? | 09:23 |
| mitya57 | Maybe... | 09:24 |
| mitya57 | Can it be caused by moving indicators to Upstart jobs? | 09:25 |
| Laney | You see the keyboard and messaging indicator | 09:26 |
| Laney | then <delay>, then the rest and the session is initialised | 09:26 |
| larsu | Laney: hm. It shouldn't block when loading the indicators | 09:27 |
| larsu | also, session shouldn't take that long | 09:27 |
| Laney | is there something different about the first two? | 09:27 |
| Laney | anyway, try gnome classic in a VM or something and you'll see it | 09:27 |
| larsu | session does more initialisation | 09:28 |
| larsu | otherwise I can't think of a difference right now | 09:28 |
| larsu | they are all ported to upstart, right? | 09:28 |
| seb128 | what indicators are running or not shouldn't make a difference to the loader/panel right? | 09:29 |
| larsu | ya | 09:29 |
| larsu | "shouldn't" | 09:29 |
| larsu | but looking at the last commits in -applet, it does some weird strcmps on indicator names | 09:29 |
| Laney | hmm, maybe they are the ones that are non-upstart | 09:29 |
| Laney | the problem still happens if you don't launch under upstart though | 09:29 |
| larsu | Laney: indeed, messages and keyboard don't have upstart scripts | 09:33 |
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| larsu | the other ones do (I checked sound and power) | 09:33 |
| Laney | nod | 09:35 |
| * larsu finds memory leaks | 09:37 | |
| larsu | unlikely to be the problem though :) | 09:37 |
| larsu | or _a_ problem, for that matter | 09:37 |
| larsu | Laney: does gnome-panel or the applet emit that weird upstart signal? | 09:43 |
| Laney | I don't know, probably not | 09:43 |
| larsu | well ya | 09:43 |
| Laney | been staying away from that stuff ... | 09:43 |
| larsu | there's your problem | 09:43 |
| larsu | me too :) | 09:43 |
| Laney | what's the timeout? | 09:43 |
| larsu | it's really really dumb | 09:44 |
| larsu | Laney: what timeout? | 09:44 |
| Laney | the indicators all appear after some delay | 09:44 |
| seb128 | well, if the signal is not emited those indicators should just not load | 09:44 |
| larsu | right | 09:44 |
| seb128 | nothing should be blocked or delayed | 09:44 |
| Laney | what happens to make that work? | 09:44 |
| larsu | seb128 finds holes in my theory | 09:44 |
| seb128 | ;-) | 09:44 |
| Laney | however | 09:45 |
| larsu | but I can't find "indicators-loaded" or "indicator-services-start" in indicator-applet | 09:45 |
| Laney | hmm, I think indicators could be a red herring | 09:45 |
| Laney | if you emit the signal manually then the session still doesn't initialise | 09:45 |
| Laney | but the indicators do appear | 09:45 |
| larsu | ah | 09:46 |
| larsu | maybe the signal is emitted after whatever is causing the delay in gnome-sesion | 09:46 |
| seb128 | Laney, what's the issue? what is blocking? | 09:46 |
| Laney | gnome-session doesn't get into the "Running" phase | 09:46 |
| Laney | not sure if that is the cause or a symptom | 09:46 |
| Laney | you see that nautilus isn't handling the desktop yet, no indicators and can't logout via gnome-session-quit | 09:47 |
| seb128 | if you can reproduce, drop indicator-applet and see if that's still happening? | 09:47 |
| seb128 | also gnome-session --debug log would be useful | 09:47 |
| Laney | I bet anyone can, try flashback in a vm | 09:47 |
| larsu | Laney: wfm in a guest session | 09:48 |
| larsu | does it matter which flashback? | 09:48 |
| larsu | I have a compiz and a metacity one | 09:48 |
| Laney | I'm using the metacity one | 09:49 |
| larsu | that's what I tried as well | 09:50 |
| larsu | hm, I have glib 2.39.2 though, hope that's not a problem | 09:50 |
| Laney | no, that's what I have | 09:52 |
| Laney | wtf | 09:53 |
| Laney | guest session always gives me unity | 09:53 |
| seb128 | yeah, same here, that's not new | 09:55 |
| larsu | wfm?! | 09:55 |
| seb128 | I didn't have the spare cycles to investigate though | 09:55 |
| * larsu feels special these days | 09:55 | |
| Laney | haha | 09:55 |
| seb128 | larsu, that's probably another thing you hacked up and don't remember ;-) | 09:55 |
| Laney | anyway, try with a real user | 09:56 |
| larsu | seb128: I would never do that! | 09:56 |
| seb128 | sssssure ;-) | 09:56 |
| larsu | okay I have both issues after rebooting | 09:59 |
| Laney | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6719886/ | 10:01 |
| larsu | Laney: it seems to think it's in shutdown mode?! | 10:04 |
| larsu | or does that log start with an old session | 10:04 |
| Laney | the start is me logging out | 10:05 |
| Laney | the new one begins around 325 | 10:05 |
| larsu | hm, this happens for some indicators: gnome-session[12583]: WARNING: Could not parse desktop file indicator-sound.desktop or it references a not found TryExec binary | 10:07 |
| Laney | that's because I removed them | 10:07 |
| Laney | but it keeps the xdg autostart file | 10:07 |
| larsu | ah okay | 10:08 |
| ali1234 | guys, that's the bug i've been complaining about for weeks | 10:20 |
| ali1234 | Laney: remember i told you the workaround for it? | 10:23 |
| Laney | if you mean the no watchers thing then it's not that | 10:23 |
| seb128 | ali1234, did you debug it by chance? ;-) or just complained about it? | 10:24 |
| seb128 | ali1234, I've an endless list of bugs I would like to complain about, that's not going to solve them though :/ | 10:24 |
| ali1234 | i debugged it, yes | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | then i wrote a fix | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | then i sent a MR to tedg | 10:25 |
| ali1234 | that was before christmas | 10:26 |
| larsu | neat. Where is it? | 10:26 |
| ali1234 | spoke to him about it yesterday or the day before | 10:26 |
| Laney | didrocks: can I make a release of session-migration? | 10:26 |
| ali1234 | the MR is attached to the "indicators should use upstart" bug report | 10:26 |
| didrocks | Laney: depends, do you need it quickly? I was wondering to not put it to dailies | 10:26 |
| didrocks | if it's urgent, please do ;) | 10:26 |
| ali1234 | the reason that people see indicators not loading is because they will quit if nothing claims them within 500 msec | 10:26 |
| Laney | only in as much as I would like to move on with life | 10:26 |
| didrocks | ahah ;) | 10:27 |
| ali1234 | so if your gnome-panel takes 1.5 seconds to load up, then yeah, half the indicators will disappear | 10:27 |
| didrocks | ok, feel free, just tell me ;) | 10:27 |
| Laney | I'll do it, /and/ you can put it under daily release for the next changes | 10:27 |
| Laney | :-) | 10:27 |
| larsu | ali1234: this? https://code.launchpad.net/~a-j-buxton/libindicator/remove-timeout/+merge/198070 | 10:27 |
| ali1234 | larsu: that's the one yes | 10:27 |
| ali1234 | you can also disable the timeout by setting that environment variable | 10:28 |
| ali1234 | without patching i mean, if you just want to confirm this is the issue | 10:28 |
| seb128 | ali1234, seems orthogonal to the bug Laney is seeing, in his case the session doesn't fully init (no nautilus bg either, closing session doesn't work)à | 10:29 |
| Laney | this is a separate issue to the bug at hand | 10:29 |
| larsu | ali1234: there's not much left using IndicatorService. Are you sure that's the issue we're seeing here? | 10:30 |
| larsu | also, I fail to see how this would block gnome-panel | 10:30 |
| larsu | hm, indicator-application maybe? | 10:30 |
| ali1234 | yeah i guess you're right. it's a separate bug that is having a knock on effect. if desktop startup is delayed you *will* see this bug too | 10:30 |
| Laney | I think one of the first things I tried was setting that variable :P | 10:31 |
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| larsu | Laney: looking at this again. Is gnome-panel started twice? | 11:35 |
| Laney | larsu: Not sure | 11:42 |
| Laney | that 'failed to register' message might be the clue | 11:42 |
| larsu | I'm pretty sure it is | 11:42 |
| larsu | and if it's started twice, then the second instance never inits | 11:43 |
| larsu | because it tries to get the name on the bus synchronously | 11:43 |
| * larsu is just theorizing while makeing some food. Might be all wrong | 11:46 | |
| Laney | I tried rolling back to the saucy versions of gnome-panel, g-s-d and gnome-session but it's the same | 11:58 |
| Laney | maybe it really is some glib change | 11:58 |
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| didrocks | Laney: thinking about session-migration, this is working on the destkop as well (through upstart session), right? | 12:21 |
| Laney | yes | 12:21 |
| didrocks | so, maybe I should remove the hack in gnome-session | 12:21 |
| Laney | already changed that | 12:21 |
| didrocks | oh great ;) | 12:21 |
| Laney | I didn't remove it, because then you wouldn't get migration if you aren't using upstart | 12:22 |
| didrocks | Laney: well, I think only our session is really using session-migration TBH | 12:22 |
| Laney | was easy to keep it flexible | 12:23 |
| didrocks | how do you do it? just for my interest ;) | 12:23 |
| Laney | checking for UPSTART_whatever | 12:23 |
| didrocks | ah ok, just env variable checking | 12:23 |
| Laney | nod | 12:23 |
| Laney | hmm | 12:24 |
| Laney | do I need to specify the deps for the migration script manually? | 12:24 |
| didrocks | not if you are using the dh_migrations | 12:24 |
| Laney | like the python libraries it's using | 12:25 |
| didrocks | you have a sequence as well dh --with migrations if needed | 12:25 |
| Laney | yeah, using that | 12:25 |
| didrocks | ah, the script itself | 12:25 |
| didrocks | yeah, session-migration just exec it, doesn't care about the langage or what the script does | 12:25 |
| didrocks | so you need to have your script ensuring it can run (so bringing its own dep) | 12:26 |
| seb128 | Laney, is there any gnome-session based desktop not using upstart? | 12:26 |
| Laney | gnome-xmonad :-) | 12:27 |
| seb128 | now that's crazy talk :p | 12:27 |
| Laney | yeah, who really uses that :P | 12:27 |
| didrocks | I'm surprised how long I wrote session-migration, and it's almost 2 years after that I see a lot of people interesting using it :) | 12:28 |
| seb128 | didrocks, we have been using it for a few things in previous cycle, so in has already been useful ;-) | 12:28 |
| seb128 | (e.g migrating the nautilus launcher icon in unity, when the desktop name changed) | 12:28 |
| Laney | it's definitely interesting for some phone cases too | 12:29 |
| didrocks | yeah, but not as much, I'm happy anyway. It was just a couple of days, but well invastigated :) | 12:29 |
| didrocks | investigated* | 12:29 |
| didrocks | invested* | 12:29 |
| didrocks | grrr :) | 12:29 |
| seb128 | hehe | 12:30 |
| seb128 | indeed | 12:30 |
| didrocks | Laney: btw, good news, you are going to be credited again for the system-settings uploads :) | 12:30 |
| Laney | credited in what way? | 12:30 |
| didrocks | even people committing to trunk directly will be credited, we shouldn't ;) | 12:30 |
| Laney | in Changed-By? | 12:30 |
| didrocks | your name in debian/changelog | 12:30 |
| didrocks | like the [ foo ] | 12:30 |
| Laney | oh | 12:31 |
| didrocks | as you had with daily release | 12:31 |
| Laney | did that stop working? | 12:31 |
| didrocks | well, on purpose, yesterday | 12:31 |
| didrocks | with the new system | 12:31 |
| Laney | fair enough | 12:31 |
| Laney | I didn't notice ;-) | 12:31 |
| didrocks | ahah ;) | 12:31 |
| didrocks | it was on purpose because of… it's complex in case someone brings a branch merging multiple ones | 12:31 |
| didrocks | and you have to compare with potential direct commit to trunk | 12:31 |
| didrocks | and so on… | 12:31 |
| didrocks | but now that we changed slightly the procedure, I rewrote that and it's possible | 12:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, I submitted a "add the cmake.user to bzrignore" before noticing you sneaked in a similar change in an merge request which had nothing to do the topic ... sorry about the dup, but what do you want to do about that? should I reject mine, or do you want to rebase yours on my branch so we have logical changesets/commits? ;-) | 12:33 |
| Laney | approve yours | 12:34 |
| Laney | and I'll re-merge it | 12:34 |
| seb128 | Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~seb128/ubuntu-system-settings/bzrignore-cmake-user/+merge/200988 if you want to +1 it | 12:35 |
| Laney | done, thanks | 12:36 |
| seb128 | the new world order when approved merges land only after upload is going to be annoying for rebases and stuff though :/ | 12:36 |
| Laney | I can just merge with the branch instead of trunk | 12:36 |
| seb128 | right | 12:36 |
| Laney | but you have to know which ones to do I guess | 12:36 |
| Laney | hmm | 12:36 |
| seb128 | btw for those who didn't notice, we have unity-control-center in universe | 12:37 |
| seb128 | and gnome-control-center's binary is that same source is now a wrapper that call u-c-c if available or g-c-c.real | 12:38 |
| seb128 | wooot | 12:39 |
| seb128 | ubuntu-themes/unico landed, the CI team is rolling nowadays ;-) | 12:39 |
| seb128 | larsu, ^ your fixes from yesterday are already uploaded to trusty, yeah for working dnd again and nautilus stable columns ;-) | 12:40 |
| larsu | that was quick! | 12:41 |
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| didrocks | isn't it? :) (thanks to Mirv) | 12:44 |
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| Mirv | :) | 13:17 |
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| stgraber | Laney: ok, will do | 14:48 |
| pitti | whoa, 15 degrés, c'est comme le printemps ! | 15:01 |
| seb128 | Laney, kenvandine, tedg, charles, attente: want to do a settings meeting? | 15:01 |
| seb128 | pitti, ou l'automne :/ | 15:01 |
| seb128 | il pleut ici aujourd'hui | 15:01 |
| pitti | it seems between the US and Europe the average temp is just fine, but in reality it's totally wrong everywhere | 15:01 |
| pitti | seb128: non, non, nous avons du soleil ! | 15:02 |
| pitti | I just did a really nice short walk to think about how to fix these apport popups after logging in | 15:02 |
| seb128 | how come we still get some of those? | 15:02 |
| seb128 | didn't you add code to stop prompting about issues from other sessions? | 15:03 |
| pitti | seb128: for processes that crash during logout, apparently there are still a lot of them | 15:03 |
| seb128 | or did we just flag them with some tag? | 15:03 |
| Laney | seb128: don't mind, can do if you want | 15:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, is your mic working in 2014 ? ;-) | 15:03 |
| Laney | I looked at tests before the holidays and this week have been working on AS | 15:03 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i can if others want to | 15:03 |
| pitti | seb128: so far I just have code to stop attaching xsession-errors to reports from other sessions | 15:03 |
| Laney | </summary> | 15:03 |
| Laney | umm, didn't change anything there ;-) | 15:03 |
| Laney | unless google fixed it for me | 15:03 |
| pitti | seb128: balloons poked me about bug 1033932, related to bug 1067646 | 15:03 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1033932 in apport (Ubuntu) "Error alerts appear on login for problems in previous session" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033932 | 15:04 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1067646 in Apport "should report if crash happened at logout/shutdown" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1067646 | 15:04 |
| * kenvandine has done nothing more on uss than a few reviews this week :) | 15:04 | |
| seb128 | Laney, kenvandine: ok, let's have a quick one, just to resume/keep the rhythm, otherwise we are going to keep skipping them as we did before holidays | 15:04 |
| Laney | what happened with the person that was supposed to take over wifi/bluetooth? | 15:04 |
| Laney | oh okay! | 15:04 |
| cyphermox | what? | 15:04 |
| seb128 | Laney, bluetooth is still charles afaik | 15:04 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, hey, what what? | 15:05 |
| Laney | hahaha | 15:05 |
| Laney | trigger word | 15:05 |
| cyphermox | Laney: you trying to tell me I got fired? :) | 15:05 |
| seb128 | Laney, Wellark is supposed to do wifi | 15:05 |
| Laney | I thought it was both | 15:06 |
| Laney | but ok | 15:06 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, did you just volunteer to finish the touch system settings for bluetooth? | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | I didn't think I did | 15:06 |
| cyphermox | tbh, I'm not sure I have the time to do that too | 15:06 |
| kenvandine | seb128, i'm all alone... | 15:06 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, stupid google keeps logging me out every time I close firefox | 15:06 |
| Laney | huh, weird, I had a spam event on my gcal | 15:06 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, that's what we were discussing ;-) | 15:06 |
| Laney | never seen that before | 15:06 |
| seb128 | Laney, tedg, charles, attente: anyone coming? | 15:07 |
| kenvandine | it's the seb128/kenvandine show :) | 15:07 |
| tedg | Sorry, sure | 15:07 |
| tedg | Though, I don't wnat to interrupt that :-) | 15:07 |
| seb128 | that's fine, Laney already did | 15:08 |
| tedg | But everyone knows that hangouts never work for Laney | 15:08 |
| seb128 | he keeps trying though | 15:08 |
| seb128 | you have to admire the motivation | 15:08 |
| tedg | Heh, insanity is trying the same thing... ;-) | 15:09 |
| mlankhorst | .. this time it's different! | 15:10 |
| Laney | you guiz | 15:12 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-system-settings/welcome-wizard/+merge/186862 if you want to help reviewing | 15:17 |
| seb128 | Laney, did you want to block on the upstart stuff? | 15:17 |
| Laney | not as such | 15:17 |
| Laney | wah, I looked at it again | 15:19 |
| Laney | maybe xnox or one of the guys can advise on a better way | 15:19 |
| xnox | hm? | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | we should get him to update the branch from latest trunk to get another CI build | 15:20 |
| kenvandine | so we can get debs to test | 15:20 |
| xnox | Laney: seb128: that job looks odd, as it will unconditionally run welcome wizard, and if that exits non-zero it will block starting the session / unity8. | 15:22 |
| seb128 | mterry_, ^ | 15:22 |
| kenvandine | i guess the latest debs aren't that outdated from trunk, but there has been some change | 15:23 |
| xnox | Laney: seb128: if it's not ready now, it's best to have pre-start check which checks for a magic file /to/ run wizards, instead of current logic of running it unconditionally. | 15:23 |
| xnox | Laney: seb128: or otherwise guarantee that our base images / initramfs does "touch ~/.config/ubuntu-system-settings/wizard-has-run" | 15:24 |
| xnox | Laney: seb128: and those who are testing the wizard, would remove that file and reboot. | 15:24 |
| Laney | does the dconf bridge work? | 15:24 |
| xnox | Laney: it does, but nobody used it yet =) | 15:24 |
| Laney | could use that | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | i think i prefer the file myself | 15:25 |
| Laney | anyway, I'm more concerned about the start_xsession() behaviour | 15:25 |
| xnox | Laney: so no idea if does what one expects. tedg tried to use it, but it wasn't what he wanted / needed. | 15:25 |
| xnox | yeah "feature-flag" file is easier and can be controlled from e.g. recovery / adb /etc | 15:25 |
| kenvandine | right | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | and phablet-flash could tweak it easily too | 15:26 |
| kenvandine | or one of the phablet tools | 15:27 |
| kenvandine | for automated testing | 15:27 |
| mterry_ | xnox, I'm confused about the changes you want. You want something outside the job to create the wizard-has-run file? | 15:28 |
| xnox | mterry_: i want pre-start script to have: [ -f ~/.config/yes-i-want-to-try-welcome-wizard ] || { stop; exit 0 } | 15:30 |
| xnox | mterry_: cause at the moment if welcome wizard crashes, or exists non-zero, the session/unity8 will not start. | 15:31 |
| mterry_ | Laney, start_xsession has two parts: 1) stopping maliit server which is a workaround for a maliit bug and presumably will go away and 2) starting xsession manually which was done so that the wizard can stay running / animating while session prepares itself in background. Presumably that will go away too once unity-system-compositor gains nice animating behavior between sessions | 15:31 |
| mterry_ | Laney, so while I agree that start_xsession is hackish, it's a temporary hack | 15:31 |
| mterry_ | xnox, wouldn't upstart just continue with xsession-init then? | 15:32 |
| xnox | mterry_: let me test here to confirm. | 15:34 |
| xnox | mterry_: seems to work, never mind me then. | 15:36 |
| mterry_ | xnox, also, my branch doesn't even install the upstart file right now, because this is all a work in progress | 15:36 |
| xnox | seb128: Laney: never-mind, if welcome crashes / exits non-zero, xsession-init will start as far as i can tell here. I got confused. | 15:36 |
| Laney | are there bugs for these issues? | 15:37 |
| mterry_ | Laney, for unity-system-compositor, yes... For the maliit one, I think I just talked about it on IRC at the time with the devs. Don't think I filed one | 15:38 |
| Laney | mterry_: would you be able to file one so that it's tracked? | 15:39 |
| mterry_ | Laney, uh, I'll add a note to test again and file if it's still an issue, sure | 15:40 |
| Laney | would be nice | 15:40 |
| mterry_ | This was early days of maliit, hopefully it's better now | 15:40 |
| rvr | seb128: Hmm | 15:44 |
| seb128 | rvr, hey Victor | 15:45 |
| rvr | seb128: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721361/ Is that also what you get? | 15:45 |
| seb128 | rvr, did you figure those autopilot issues out? | 15:45 |
| rvr | StateNotFoundError: State not found for class '*' and filters {'objectName': 'aboutPage'} | 15:45 |
| Laney | looks right | 15:46 |
| seb128 | rvr, what Laney said | 15:47 |
| rvr | It's strange. Using the introspector tool, I can see the aboutPage object | 15:47 |
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| rvr | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6721373/ | 15:47 |
| rvr | > objectName: aboutPage | 15:48 |
| rvr | It's there | 15:48 |
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| Laney | slomo: reckon I could get added to pkg-gstreamer? | 16:07 |
| slomo | Laney: you are not yet? | 16:08 |
| Laney | nope | 16:08 |
| seb128 | cyphermox, btw since your reacted to the bluetooth comment earlier ... Chad's patch for gnome-bluetooth is in the sponsoring queue ;-) | 16:08 |
| slomo | Laney: sure, what do you want to break? :) | 16:08 |
| slomo | Laney: what's your alioth username? | 16:08 |
| Laney | laney | 16:08 |
| Laney | We've got some autoreconf-related changes that could go to Debian | 16:08 |
| seb128 | Laney, I was pondering fwd that earlier, but I'm not sure it's non-buggy | 16:09 |
| Laney | which one? | 16:09 |
| seb128 | is Debian's libtool including the --as-needed stuff? | 16:09 |
| slomo | Laney: ah those. i don't think they're correct | 16:09 |
| slomo | no it doesn't | 16:09 |
| seb128 | :/ | 16:09 |
| Laney | you need to run dh_autoreconf with --as-needed | 16:09 |
| seb128 | Laney, the issue is that autoreconf is going to replace the ltmain.sh hack for as-needed | 16:09 |
| seb128 | does that work? | 16:09 |
| Laney | it does the patch for you | 16:09 |
| slomo | oh? that's nice :) | 16:10 |
| seb128 | how does that work? is dh-autoreconf including the ltmain.sh hack? | 16:10 |
| Laney | it ships the patch for you | 16:10 |
| Laney | so they can update it centrally | 16:10 |
| seb128 | nice | 16:10 |
| seb128 | I didn't know about that | 16:11 |
| slomo | ok, so then only be careful to not break translations ;) | 16:11 |
| slomo | because we apply a patch after gettextize in gstreamer | 16:11 |
| Laney | mmkay | 16:11 |
| slomo | fixed in 1.3 finally, now plain autoreconf works | 16:11 |
| Laney | in which package is this? | 16:11 |
| slomo | all of them :) | 16:13 |
| Laney | I see, not a debian patch then | 16:13 |
| slomo | gstreamer, gst-plugins-base,good,bad,ugly,*, gst-libav, etc | 16:13 |
| slomo | yes, not a debian patch | 16:13 |
| slomo | that's why export AUTOPOINT=true is in debian/rules | 16:13 |
| slomo | so keep that | 16:13 |
| slomo | i added you btw | 16:14 |
| Laney | excellent, thanks | 16:14 |
| slomo | thanks for merging these patches :) | 16:14 |
| Laney | np | 16:14 |
| slomo | please make sure that change is in all the packages | 16:14 |
| slomo | not only the ones that were important enough to get a bugreport ;) | 16:14 |
| Laney | I abused some people to forward them | 16:15 |
| Laney | then decided JFDI is more efficient sometimes | 16:15 |
| slomo | yes, or telling me about that --as-needed feature of dh-autoreconf would've been sufficient too ;) | 16:16 |
| Laney | hrhr | 16:16 |
| slomo | but now you please change that, i'm busy with other things :) | 16:16 |
| cyphermox | seb128: ack | 16:24 |
| Laney | oh no | 16:48 |
| Laney | glib started ftbfsing | 16:48 |
| pitti | seb128: FYI, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~apport-hackers/apport/trunk/revision/2746 | 16:48 |
| seb128 | Laney, :-( | 16:48 |
| pitti | seb128: apport popups for logout problems be gone | 16:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, \o/ | 16:48 |
| pitti | seb128: I almost never get those, but it seems a lot of people do, so I wasn't aware that it's such a big problem | 16:48 |
| pitti | so let's ditch them for the lTS | 16:48 |
| seb128 | pitti, it's quite frequent in some of "services" (indicators, g-s-d, gvfs) | 16:51 |
| seb128 | is/was, we fixed some of those bugs | 16:52 |
| pitti | seb128: well, do you think they are interesting enough to re-enable them in trusty+1? | 16:52 |
| seb128 | like indicator used to g_error when the session bus was missing, which happens on logout | 16:52 |
| seb128 | not atm | 16:52 |
| pitti | ok; it's a simple change to re-enable, but at least the logic is there now | 16:53 |
| pitti | it'll break all over again once /sys/fs/cgroup/ becomes unreadable, but that's still some way out | 16:53 |
| pitti | (and once it does, we need to talk to the cgroup service instead) | 16:53 |
| pitti | or logind directoy | 16:53 |
| pitti | directly | 16:53 |
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| pitti | bonne nuit tous le monde ! | 16:57 |
| pitti | "tout" | 16:57 |
| Laney | au revoir | 16:57 |
| seb128 | pitti, bonne soirée ! | 16:58 |
| desrt | Laney: glib ftbfs? | 16:59 |
| Laney | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.39.2-0ubuntu2 | 17:00 |
| Laney | e.g. https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/glib2.0/2.39.2-0ubuntu2/+build/5439374/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-ppc64el.glib2.0_2.39.2-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz (don't use your browser) | 17:00 |
| Laney | i don't see an actual error | 17:02 |
| seb128 | Laney, desrt: "ERROR: gdbus-names - missing test plan"? | 17:03 |
| seb128 | Laney, side effect of the fix you backported? | 17:03 |
| Laney | oh yeah, there it is | 17:03 |
| Laney | it built on i386/amd64 | 17:04 |
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| desrt | are you running 'make check -j'? | 17:04 |
| desrt | because i hit the same problem with -j | 17:04 |
| Laney | umm, I wonder how to see | 17:05 |
| desrt | i think it's caused by the fact that our new test stuff allows the tests to run in parallel but some of the gdbus tests take the same org.gtk.test bus name | 17:05 |
| desrt | so they get in each others way | 17:05 |
| desrt | actually, i can get a periodic failure out of that testcase even without check -j | 17:06 |
| desrt | /gdbus/bus-watch-name: | 17:07 |
| desrt | (/home/desrt/code/glib/gio/tests/.libs/lt-gdbus-names:8691): GLib-GIO-CRITICAL **: Error while sending AddMatch() message: The connection is closed | 17:07 |
| desrt | tsk tsk tsk | 17:07 |
| Laney | that's what we get in jenkins | 17:07 |
| Laney | you blamed the test environment when I asked you :P | 17:08 |
| desrt | ya... i'm blaming it again | 17:08 |
| desrt | this test is doing some pretty damn shaky things | 17:08 |
| Laney | https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Trusty/view/AutoPkgTest/job/trusty-adt-glib-networking/ARCH=i386,label=adt/lastFailedBuild/console started happening lately too | 17:08 |
| desrt | like starting session bus test daemons as subprocesses in the middle of it running to make sure bus disconnects get properly reported | 17:09 |
| desrt | i'm sure it's hitting some edge case between doing that and syncing up with its own worker thread | 17:09 |
| desrt | Laney: good news is, failure is only one time of ~20 for me | 17:09 |
| desrt | so you can just resubmit the build :) | 17:09 |
| Laney | I did already | 17:10 |
| desrt | (maybe more like 1/100 in fact) | 17:10 |
| Laney | wait and see if arm64 succeeds, that's also a retry | 17:10 |
| Laney | it's happened on 4/6 of the builds that have completed so far | 17:11 |
| larsu | desrt: the gdbus tests don't spawn their own session busses? | 17:12 |
| desrt | larsu: the problem with this one in particular is that it does... and then it unspawns it... and then it spawns it again | 17:14 |
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| Sweetshark | seb128: did you find any fundamental opposition against the libreoffice-l10n packaging so far? if not, ill continue working on top of that for now ... | 18:08 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, no, seems fine in principle to me, but I didn't look at the details yet | 18:09 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: k, that was all I needed ;) -- if all else fails, I could cherrypick back from this branch ... | 18:11 |
| Sweetshark | seb128: thx | 18:12 |
| seb128 | Sweetshark, yw | 18:13 |
| robert_ancell | mterry_, did you see https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/deja-dup/unity-control-center2/+merge/200950? | 20:53 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, yes... I actually had already started working on a branch that was a bit more aggressive | 20:54 |
| robert_ancell | mterry_, ok, cool | 20:54 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, in terms of only building ccpanel for unity in the first place and not supporting gnome-control-center anymore | 20:54 |
| robert_ancell | mterry_, ok, that was my first patch :) | 20:54 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, sorry I didn't mention it earlier. was just hacking a weekend or so ag | 20:54 |
| mterry_ | o | 20:54 |
| robert_ancell | mterry_, the Ubuntu GNOME guys expressed an interest in keeping it, but I guess it's your call as upstream | 20:55 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, oh they had? I asked on IRC a couple times, but never got a reply | 20:55 |
| robert_ancell | I asked darkxst | 20:55 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, it's not the upstream GNOME experience, so I assumed they wouldn't mind a more upstream approach | 20:56 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, poke | 20:56 |
| robert_ancell | yeah, I thought they were going that route but I think they want an enhanced experience | 20:56 |
| robert_ancell | mterry_, I decided last night that I'd make everything support both at least initially so the migration is seamless | 20:57 |
| robert_ancell | mterry_, how goes the lightdm greeter-session shared space? Just wanted to ack that I think we're on the same page there | 20:59 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, I haven't worked more on it. It isn't needed in direct short term | 20:59 |
| robert_ancell | k | 20:59 |
| mterry_ | But maybe it would make sense to land before FF... | 20:59 |
| robert_ancell | would save some paperwork :) | 21:00 |
| darkxst | mterry_, hi | 21:08 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, hello! | 21:08 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, so I'm deja-dup upstream and wanted to discuss what Ubuntu GNOME wanted to do for the backup preferences appearance | 21:08 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, for 14.04 I could either do standalone window with new-style GtkHeader (does Ubuntu GNOME have proper theming for that?) or stick with a panel in the control center | 21:09 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, do you know which you'd prefer? | 21:09 |
| mterry_ | (or alternatively, standalone window without GtkHeader) | 21:09 |
| darkxst | mterry_, I think g-c-c panel is best, although it would be nice if it used the GtkListBox | 21:11 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, I want those too, but haven't implemented them yet | 21:12 |
| mterry_ | darkxst, OK, can leave g-c-c panel in then. | 21:12 |
| mterry_ | robert_ancell, will give your branch a fresh look! | 21:12 |
| darkxst | mterry_, thanks | 21:17 |
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| darkxst | robert_ancell, so we should do the mutter displayconfig dbus service in its own package? | 21:53 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, I'm not sure what your trying to do exactly | 21:54 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, the display config code was moved out of gnome-desktop and made a dbus service (in mutter) | 21:54 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, so it's a library now? | 21:55 |
| darkxst | its a dbus service | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | a stand-alone daemon? | 21:55 |
| darkxst | yeh | 21:55 |
| robert_ancell | so do we still have gnome-rr.h anymore? | 21:56 |
| darkxst | yes gnome-rr is still there, and I believe API unchanged, but it uses the dbus api instead of direct X calls | 21:57 |
| robert_ancell | this is so we can update gnome-desktop right? | 21:58 |
| robert_ancell | or so gnome apps can run inside unity? | 21:58 |
| darkxst | so we can update gnome-desktop | 22:03 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, why don't we just patch gnome-desktop to use xrandr itself if the d-bus API is unavailable? | 22:04 |
| darkxst | reverting the patches in gnome-desktop would just result in a big mess | 22:04 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-desktop/commit/?id=545c774e967fa2f21f9b8ee1acbb50bffcee01d0 | 22:05 |
| darkxst | and by using the dbus service, its still maintained upstream | 22:06 |
| darkxst | the actual changes required to run it out of tree are very trivial | 22:07 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, the main issue is you have to get a new module accepted and make sure the daemon reliably runs etc | 22:08 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, where is the code? | 22:08 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, the other thing, is you'd implement it as a compiz plugin for unity. That might not need CLA | 22:10 |
| robert_ancell | bregma, ^ if a compiz plugin was made that used the gnome-desktop source would that be an issue? | 22:10 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, I though of that, however what happens with things like gnome flashback that have a non-compiz sessions | 22:11 |
| darkxst | I will push the code somewhere | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | ta | 22:11 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, who is maintaining the legacy stuff? What did upstream do about that? | 22:12 |
| darkxst | upsteam gnome don't care about the legacy stuff | 22:12 |
| darkxst | I believe edubuntu are maintaining flashback in Ubunty | 22:12 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, is the daemon d-bus activated? | 22:13 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, haven't got that far yet, but it could be. (in mutter it is part of the main binary and launched directly) | 22:14 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, so to cycle back to the original question - it sounds like it should be a new project and provide a new package | 22:18 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, with this new package, can we update gnome-desktop to 3.10 today or are there other dependencies? | 22:19 |
| darkxst | there is also the Idle Monitor dbus service, but that could be dealt with in the same way | 22:20 |
| darkxst | in the same package | 22:20 |
| robert_ancell | agreed | 22:21 |
| robert_ancell | It's kind of bad that the interfaces are not freedesktop ones and they've made no effort to handle not being in mutter | 22:22 |
| robert_ancell | well, bad for us anyway :) | 22:22 |
| robert_ancell | Is gnome-desktop going to die? It doesn't seem to contain a huge amount of stuff | 22:25 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, https://github.com/darkxst/displayconfig/tree/gnome-3-10/src/displayconfig (just a proof of concept currently) | 22:26 |
| darkxst | no idea if it will die.... | 22:27 |
| darkxst | I suspect not though? even though they are moving code out of gnome-desktop, they are maintaining the API | 22:28 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, btw, started to update your g-c-c branch with the missing patches, will send a MP over the weekend once I test it | 22:41 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, I released a g-c-c into main that works in parallel with u-c-c so that's done as far as Unity is concerned. So feel free to either work on an update from the current archive version or my branch | 22:47 |
| darkxst | robert_ancell, you just broke our region panel then ;( | 22:48 |
| robert_ancell | oh, how did I do that | 22:49 |
| robert_ancell | it's still there.. | 22:50 |
| darkxst | it won't work | 22:50 |
| darkxst | this patch is kinda important > http://pastebin.com/G8rCMzcH | 22:50 |
| darkxst | region/language/utf-8 support is quite different on Ubuntu vs Upstream | 22:51 |
| robert_ancell | darkxst, that's still there | 22:51 |
| darkxst | oh you pushed g-c-c 3.6? | 22:58 |
| robert_ancell | yes | 23:00 |
| darkxst | ok, no matter then | 23:02 |
| kgunn | robert_ancell: o/ | 23:36 |
| kgunn | just sayin' hi | 23:36 |
| robert_ancell | kgunn, hello! | 23:37 |
| robert_ancell | how is the polar vortex going :) | 23:37 |
| kgunn | robert_ancell: its weird...it was 20 deg F the other day...now we're just sitting in the 40's but no sun & just this weird mist for 2 days straight | 23:38 |
| robert_ancell | is there someone in the distance playing a theremin? | 23:39 |
| kgunn | heh, kdub is the one living the dream...he's in the low 70's all week | 23:39 |
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