[00:21] <Go|dfish_> !ops
[00:22] <Go|dfish_> Pici: !ops
[00:24] <Go|dfish_> איך לעזאזל כולם עושים פה אני עושה לא טוב מזוין
[00:41] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell: ping, is there any objection to maybe a +q on that guy retroactively?  he seems to only join and post things that aren't relevant, or in this case try and call !ops and spam
[01:05] <AlanBell> TheLordOfTime: can do, but I consider it relatively harmless for them to join here and tell us that they are online and in a silly mood rather than spouting stuff in random channels :)
[01:06] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell: okay, well, if it happens continually then maybe it's time to consider it, I bring it up because that's the second time they've done some randomness and asking offtopic questions (17:00 GMT-05:00 was the first instance, same host too)
[01:06] <hggdh> well, we are expected to be more resistant to them. Even when swearing in Hebrew..
[01:07] <TheLordOfTime> hggdh: might be because my day has been filled with drama I'm on edge about pointing out such things >.>
[01:09] <hggdh> TheLordOfTime: goldfisch has been around for a while now. At least here he is not disrupting an user channel
[01:09] <TheLordOfTime> true
[01:10] <TheLordOfTime> meh, sorry i bugged you all
[01:10]  * TheLordOfTime disappears
[01:10] <AlanBell> heh, it is always good to point out patterns :)
[01:59] <TheLordOfTime> Meh
[01:59] <TheLordOfTime> AlanBell: i've been on edge all day, tons of drama does that to a person >.>
[07:04] <MooDoo> hello all
[12:54] <LjL-Away> hggdh: uh, are we "expected" to be more "resistant" to them?
[12:54] <LjL-Away> this might actually be a trend i've started, that of not banning him or anything
[12:55] <LjL-Away> but that's not the message i wanted to send through
[12:55] <LjL-Away> really, it's useless to ban him because he knows how to change hosts well enough
[12:55] <LjL-Away> and he's been trolling horribly since i remember being around
[12:55] <LjL-Away> so, for at least 7 years
[12:55] <LjL-Away> you don't solve this people with bans
[12:56] <Myrtti> especially since that's what he often requests
[12:56] <Myrtti> bans, quiets and klines
[12:56] <LjL-Away> i'm not saying i know *how* you solve it, either
[12:56] <LjL-Away> i'm just trying various "psychological" approaches
[12:56] <LjL-Away> chances are, i think, none will work
[12:56] <LjL-Away> but oh well
[12:56] <Myrtti> and tries to hasten to get what he wants with the alarm calls
[12:57] <Myrtti> his ultimate goal is to waste our time
[12:57] <LjL-Away> well, he wastes my time anyway when i "playfully" reply to him, i suppose
[12:57] <LjL-Away> except well
[12:57] <LjL-Away> i kind of enjoy it
[12:57] <LjL-Away> so maybe if he actually ends up realizing i enjoy it, that'll be a dealbreaker for him
[12:57] <LjL-Away> i'm not sure
[12:57] <LjL-Away> i don't even mean i enjoy it in a mean way... i'm a bit sorry for him at this point
[12:58] <LjL-Away> but i can't think of anything else than playing along
[13:25] <hggdh> LjL: this is probably a good approach bans/quiets only really work for the casual/non-expert IRC user
[13:26] <LjL> hggdh: right, it can be i suppose - i just don't want to be passing on the message that we're actually not supposed to try getting rid of a persistent troll, though
[13:26] <hggdh> LjL: oh, no, that thought never crossed my mind :-)
[13:28] <hggdh> and I do not see troll control as a 0/1 game; but I still think that if the troll bother *us* instead of the at-large user channels, it is a gain for the community
[13:29] <LjL> oh he bothers both though
[13:29] <LjL> and i suppose i can see how an #u-o user, for instance, could start being puzzled about how i (or another op who's around) may seem to be "doing nothing" about him
[13:30] <hggdh> in some ways, better a known troll
[23:33] <Aaron> hi
[23:43] <jose> hey
[23:46] <AlanBell> hi Aaron, here is best to discuss your request
[23:47] <Aaron> now you tell me that?
[23:47] <Aaron> well i want to request the channel.
[23:47] <Aaron> since m4v  is a lamer...
[23:49] <jose> Aaron: what channel is that?
[23:49] <jose> and what's the actual reason behind it?
[23:49] <AlanBell> sorry, I have been popping in and out with other things going on and it is end of day for me now, you want some access to #ubuntu-es?
[23:49] <Aaron> yes..
 como gustes, que me amenaces con hablar con "Ubuntu" te descalifica aún más.
[23:51] <jose> I don't understand why would you want access to a core support channel
[23:53] <Aaron> because i am a helper, and i just think that channel it's dead...
[23:53] <Aaron> does it matter that he codes the bots?
[23:54] <Aaron> and plus, he took over my ex channel #Kubuntu-es
[23:54] <jose> AlanBell: ^
[23:54] <jose> AlanBell: mind a quick PM?
[23:54] <AlanBell> sure jose
[23:54] <Exio4> i don't think the channel is dead
[23:58] <AlanBell> !canibeanop | Aaron
[23:59] <AlanBell> hmm, that doesn't quite apply to team channels like the -es channels but it is a start