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| * slangasek waves | 16:01 | |
| jodh | o/ | 16:01 |
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| slangasek | #startmeeting | 16:01 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 16:01:47 2014 UTC. The chair is slangasek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 16:01 |
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| slangasek | [TOPIC] Lightning round | 16:02 |
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| slangasek | $ echo $(shuf -e barry doko stgraber jodh bdmurray slangasek cjwatson xnox stokachu) | 16:02 |
| slangasek | cjwatson stokachu barry bdmurray stgraber doko slangasek jodh xnox | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | oh look | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | It's been a "catch up after new year" week | 16:02 |
| xnox | bah =) /me missed the chat | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | Miscellaneous: | 16:02 |
| xnox | *sorry* | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | - Bits and pieces of arm64/ppc64el porting (wcslib, mozjs17, libgksu, lcms, telepathy-logger, pvm, umockdev | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | - Various other build failure fixes (mutter, gnome-shell, obexd, renpy | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | - Caught up a bit on the trusty-proposed backlog with a bunch of rebuilds and such. | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | - base-passwd 3.5.30, with more secure defaults for shells of various global static users. Hoovered up fallout in a dozen or so packages (one of which broke phone tests, oops). | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | 12.04.4 preparation: | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | - Reviewed a bunch of enablement uploads. | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | - Prepared debian-installer for lts-saucy enablement tree. | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | Started on libclick. | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | .. | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | Oh and sorry to anyone upset by the missing close parens there. Here: ) ) | 16:03 |
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| slangasek | :) | 16:04 |
| slangasek | stokachu: around? (it's a new year, so maybe? :) | 16:04 |
| barry | cjwatson: there's an emacs mode for that | 16:04 |
| stokachu | Nothing from me this week | 16:04 |
| slangasek | stokachu: ok, cool :) | 16:04 |
| stokachu | as far as bugs go, working on getting sosreport 3.1 relead | 16:04 |
| stokachu | done | 16:05 |
| barry | short week due to winter break. was mostly off-line, so plenty of catching up this week. | 16:05 |
| barry | system-image: LP: #1259326 (triaged, discussed) | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1259326 in system-image (Ubuntu) "system-update panel not blocking screen lock/blank while downloading" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1259326 | 16:05 |
| barry | autopilot: LP: #1266574. branches ready for address-book-app, camera-app, cordova-ubuntu in progress. discussions with #ubuntu-autopilot folks | 16:05 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 1266574 in autopilot (Ubuntu) "autopilot_tracepoint.c is not Python 3 compatible" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1266574 | 16:05 |
| barry | ubuntu/debian: python-apt 0.9.1ubuntu1 (for dep8 fix). window-mocker python3/pybuild support for cgoldberg. | 16:05 |
| barry | done | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | queried errors database to see if bug 1024590 is fixed in saucy | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | tested unattended-upgrade bug 1265729 | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | uploaded a fix for bug 1237119 | 16:05 |
| bdmurray | bug triage of bug 1264887 | 16:05 |
| ubottu | bug 1024590 in aptdaemon (Ubuntu) "update-manager crashed with AttributeError in _on_download_changed(): 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'get_value'" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1024590 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1265729 in unattended-upgrades (Ubuntu) "unattended-upgrade might enter an infinite loop if an upgradable package is on hold" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1265729 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1237119 in gnome-control-center (Ubuntu) "ERROR: hook /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_gnome-control-center.py crashed: TypeError: add_info() takes 1 positional argument but 2 were given" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1237119 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1264887 in ubuntu-release-upgrader (Ubuntu Trusty) "After upgrade 12.04 -> 14.04 there was no display manager (kdm or lightdm)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1264887 | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | uploaded whoopsie-preferences with a change for location of apport/autoreport (bug 1239811) | 16:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1239811 in whoopsie-preferences (Ubuntu Trusty) "whoopsie-preferences crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_new_fclose()" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1239811 | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | uploaded update-notifier, apport, lxc-android-config with a change for location of apport/autoreport | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | updated bug bot to handle not erased media ubiquity install failures | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | updated bug bot to recommend people try 12.04.3 not 12.04.[12] | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | modified phased-updater not to keep setting stopped updates to 0% | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | subscribed teams to packages | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | trying to setup an instance of errors in canonistack to work on retracer issue | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | worked with canonical support to get my core limit increased for deploying the error tracker in canonistack | 16:06 |
| cjwatson | barry: there's an emacs mode for everything | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | testing autoreporting of crashes and whoopsie on trusty (bug 1245524) | 16:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1245524 in whoopsie (Ubuntu) "whoopsie fails to notice/process .upload files on trusty" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1245524 | 16:06 |
| bdmurray | ␗ done | 16:06 |
| stokachu | oh can someone remove sponsors team from bug 1121874? | 16:06 |
| ubottu | bug 1121874 in mysql-5.5 (Ubuntu Saucy) "MySQL launch fails silently if < 4MB of disk space is available" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1121874 | 16:06 |
| stokachu | now that arges can sponsor packages he just can't remove the team from subscribers list | 16:06 |
| barry | cjwatson: true! there's even one for vi users :) | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - cgmanager: | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Followed the progress made by jodh and hallyn, discussed and reviewed initial packaging | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - LXC: | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Preparing for rc1 next week (ton of code reviews and a few fixes) | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Wrote a bit about LXC: https://www.stgraber.org/2013/12/20/lxc-1-0-blog-post-series/ | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Tested and prepared systemd upload to turn on all cgroup controllers in logind | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Follow up on PAM change to get unprivileged containers working properly | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Branch to make apport work with LXC (some extra changes needed) | 16:07 |
| cjwatson | stokachu: I guess somebody did it, doesn't seem to be subscribed now | 16:07 |
| slangasek | barry: what kinds of discussions have you been having on #ubuntu-autopilot? are they excited about the python3 move? :) | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Ubuntu touch | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Images now have discard enabled by default | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Fixed a few bugs in my experimental port/private-server system-image branch, working on tests now. Test server at https://phablet.stgraber.org | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - Other | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - SRU/New reviews | 16:07 |
| stgraber | - A few merges | 16:07 |
| stgraber | (DONE) | 16:07 |
| stokachu | cjwatson: ah ok must've just happened lol, thanks for checking | 16:07 |
| barry | slangasek: i'm happy to discuss a few things after the lightening round | 16:07 |
| slangasek | barry: ack | 16:07 |
| doko | - two full days of merges, not yet finished with main, and didn't look yet at universe. merges in general seem to be behind this cycle | 16:09 |
| doko | - start packaging GCC 4.9, including four new runtime libs | 16:09 |
| doko | - gcc-4.8/arm64: trying to reproduce a testcase for 1263576 | 16:09 |
| doko | - finishing tcl/tk updates | 16:09 |
| doko | - made python3.4 a supported python3 version. fixed most packages | 16:09 |
| doko | build-depending on python3-all-dev. | 16:09 |
| doko | - started a first test rebuild, currently for main on all archs. | 16:09 |
| doko | universe will follow later this week. | 16:09 |
| doko | - looked at ruby-ffi on arm64 and ppc64el. not much progress | 16:09 |
| doko | - finished the glew transition | 16:09 |
| doko | - uploaded ppc64le cross toolchain to trusty | 16:09 |
| doko | - update of python interpreters | 16:09 |
| doko | - MIR processing, component mismatches, ... | 16:09 |
| doko | (done) | 16:09 |
| slangasek | doko: gcc 4.9> and that's not landing in the archive this cycle, right? | 16:11 |
| doko | slangasek, depends ... =) | 16:12 |
| slangasek | doko: on what? | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * post-holiday email wrangling | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * learning the ropes on the TB (congrats to everyone else who was elected, thanks to everyone else who stood) | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * sprint prep | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * continuing to work on filling our open position on the team | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * Debian upstart/systemd discussions | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * monitoring upstream kdbus discussions | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * worked with stgraber to land pam_loginuid userns support upstream | 16:12 |
| slangasek | * ongoing ppc64el discussions | 16:12 |
| slangasek | (done) | 16:12 |
| jodh | * core-1311-upstart-roadmap: | 16:12 |
| jodh | - cgroup support: | 16:12 |
| jodh | - Upstart can now run a job in a cgroup using the cgmanager. | 16:12 |
| jodh | Continuing to work with stgraber + hallyn on cgmanager design and | 16:12 |
| jodh | implementation. | 16:12 |
| jodh | - async spawning: Have a prototype branch that will boot a system and | 16:12 |
| jodh | a Session Init, handling child comms asynchronously. Needs | 16:12 |
| jodh | polishing and also necessitates reworking some of the existing | 16:12 |
| jodh | tests and writing additional state-machine checking tests. | 16:12 |
| doko | if gccgo-4.9 looks better than -4.8 | 16:12 |
| jodh | Currently extending the serialisation format to handle resuming the | 16:12 |
| jodh | async operations post re-exec. | 16:12 |
| jodh | ◣ | 16:13 |
| doko | no, not as the default | 16:13 |
| xnox | * Emulator / Autopilot: | 16:13 |
| xnox | - working on automating autopilot execution in the emulator | 16:13 |
| xnox | - finding / identifying / filing bugs about issues with test | 16:13 |
| xnox | failures, which are regressions over mako. | 16:13 |
| xnox | - solving scalability of testing with juju charm development to | 16:13 |
| xnox | reliably run all tests quickly. | 16:13 |
| xnox | - see ubuntu-phone mailing list post + bugs tagged "jemjem" | 16:13 |
| xnox | * installer: | 16:13 |
| xnox | - worked on improving support for Qemu/OVMF targets | 16:14 |
| xnox | * over christmas time: | 16:14 |
| xnox | - helped with icu and glew transitions, ppc64el fixes. | 16:14 |
| slangasek | doko: would we be able to use gccgo-4.9 with libgcc from 4.8, or does this require updating libgcc? I thought you were opposed to pulling in 4.9 for the runtime libs | 16:14 |
| xnox | * I'm away on holidays from 11th to 19th of January | 16:14 |
| xnox | .. | 16:14 |
| barry | xnox: we should chat about autopilot+emulator some time :) | 16:14 |
| doko | slangasek, I'm opposed to overwrite libstdc++6 | 16:14 |
| doko | and as I said, I just started the packaging this week ... | 16:15 |
| xnox | barry: well today is best as i'll be available most of the evening. tomorrow, i'll be finishing sharp at EOD. | 16:15 |
| slangasek | doko: ack | 16:15 |
| barry | xnox: ack | 16:16 |
| slangasek | any more questions/comments on status? | 16:16 |
| slangasek | barry: should we talk about autopilot? | 16:17 |
| barry | slangasek: sure | 16:17 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] autopilot & python3 | 16:17 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: autopilot & python3 | ||
| barry | we have buy-in that autopilot tests in packages should be py3, which is great because we'll be able to ditch py2 on touch | 16:18 |
| barry | some disagreement on whether there should be a "flag day" or switch things over package by package | 16:18 |
| barry | otoh, if we go by xnox's list in emulator branch, there's only 11 packages that need porting, so i think it's silly not to just flag day it | 16:19 |
| slangasek | yes; but all the plans for switching things over package-by-package had huge overhead on the packaging side | 16:19 |
| * slangasek nods | 16:19 | |
| barry | slangasek: yeah, i thought you'd back me up on that :) | 16:19 |
| barry | i've already ported address-book-app and camera-app and am working on cordova-ubuntu. really, porting the actual packages is not difficult | 16:20 |
| barry | one thing i'm unsure of atm is whether the click package tests in xnox's branch use autopilot. i think not, but not sure atm | 16:21 |
| xnox | barry: oh, i see. Yeah, I was confused why all tests seem to run in python2 mode, when they are mostly 1.4 autopilot based and should be python3 capable. | 16:21 |
| xnox | barry: all of them use autopilot, after a huge amount of wrapper scripts =) | 16:21 |
| barry | right, we have /usr/bin/autopilot (py2) and autopilot-py3 as test runners | 16:21 |
| barry | xnox: okay, so the click package tests will need porting too then. that adds to the mix | 16:21 |
| barry | other open questions: whether to have one big tracking bug with bugtasks, or a bug per package | 16:22 |
| xnox | barry: i can wedge /usr/bin/autopilot to be /usr/bin/autopilot-py3 & give you logs of how much things fail, would you be interested in that? | 16:22 |
| barry | and the really difficult one: testing :( | 16:22 |
| slangasek | testing> that's why we have charms :) | 16:22 |
| slangasek | xnox: what kind of times are you getting out of running all the testsuites, now? | 16:22 |
| barry | xnox: what i'd like to talk about later is fiddling with your emulator scripts to switch between py2 and py3, and using local packages. but then there's the cross-building issue | 16:23 |
| xnox | barry: one big bug with bugtasks, doesn't scale that well. Having one bug per project/package with a common tag works better. As one can request launchpad to list them all "e.g. tag jemjem from all projects" | 16:23 |
| barry | xnox: that's probably how we'll go | 16:23 |
| xnox | slangasek: some instances get stuck, so i need to add watchdog. Last run I did was about 3h across all non-failing projects. | 16:23 |
| barry | since i suspect package maintainers will prefer that | 16:23 |
| xnox | barry: is python3 autopilot seeded on the images yet? | 16:24 |
| slangasek | xnox: not bad, not bad... seems like a few more iterations, and we should be able to get solid test results for the autopilot transition | 16:24 |
| barry | right now the easiest thing seems to be: install the amd64 packages and run the tests locally. a few py2 tests will fail (e.g. i have no camera) but oh well. then, build and install the amd64 py3 ported package locally and run with autopilot-py3. icky, but has the advantage of actually working :) | 16:24 |
| barry | xnox: python3-autopilot gives you /usr/bin/autopilot-py3 | 16:25 |
| barry | autopiloters seem to do all testing on devices, including package builds. but i think that's almost unnecessarily slow for porting purposes | 16:26 |
| doko | barry, do you test with 3.4 too? ;-p | 16:26 |
| xnox | barry: and autopilot-touch is not a python based? it has python-autopilot & python-evdev depends. | 16:26 |
| barry | doko: ha ha ha! | 16:26 |
| slangasek | barry: +1 for anything that speeds up the development cycle by leveraging native hardware :) | 16:27 |
| barry | xnox: i *think* those are just ap's own tests, which can be run against py2 and py3 using tox in their trunk branch | 16:27 |
| xnox | cool. | 16:27 |
| barry | slangasek: yeah, i think that'll at least get us 99% of the way there | 16:27 |
| barry | at least to the point of mp's | 16:27 |
| barry | so, aside from porting, we'll have to get ci to switch over to autopilot-py3. that's a whole 'nuther discussion | 16:28 |
| barry | (some of which has been discussed before) | 16:28 |
| barry | anyway, i think that's about it. xnox's emulator is awesome btw, and if we can leverage it for testing as described above, i think that would give us extra confidence | 16:28 |
| barry | eot | 16:28 |
| slangasek | yeah, there's no way we can propose having a py3 flag day for autopilot /without/ testing in emulation... we need to get the py3 autopilot test failures down to where they match the existing py2 tests, and that requires testing on arm | 16:29 |
| slangasek | so next steps: 1) iterate through the test suites on amd64, fixing any obvious py2/3 issues; 2) generate reports for py2 vs. py3 autopilot testing in the cloud; 3) lather, rinse, repeat; 4) flag day when we hit parity? | 16:31 |
| barry | agreed. i think the phablet-tools test runner can be pointed to local packages and/or ppas, so one of the steps in this process should be uploading to a ppa all the ported tests, twiddling the runner to use py3, and running them on actual devices and/or the emulator | 16:31 |
| barry | slangasek: yes | 16:31 |
| slangasek | ppas> only relevant for the .debs, I guess, not the click packages | 16:32 |
| barry | right | 16:32 |
| slangasek | barry: ok - sounds like a plan. What do you think the timeline looks like? I guess if you haven't looked at the test suites yet for any of the click packages, it's hard to project? | 16:32 |
| barry | slangasek: right. but i'm mildly confident i can finish the non-click porting this week or early next week | 16:33 |
| slangasek | ok | 16:33 |
| slangasek | barry: thanks! | 16:33 |
| barry | sure thing! | 16:34 |
| slangasek | anything else for today? | 16:34 |
| slangasek | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:34 |
| === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB | ||
| slangasek | beuller | 16:36 |
| slangasek | nothing? :) | 16:36 |
| slangasek | #endmeeting | 16:36 |
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| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Jan 9 16:36:52 2014 UTC. | 16:36 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-09-16.01.moin.txt | 16:36 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2014/ubuntu-meeting.2014-01-09-16.01.html | 16:36 |
| slangasek | ok, thanks all! | 16:36 |
| jodh | thanks! | 16:36 |
| barry | thanks! | 16:36 |
| stgraber | thanks! | 16:37 |
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