[03:56] <TheLordOfTime> I have a question.  In Ubuntu, is a package allowed to create /root/.somefolder/ during installation in the root user's "home" directory?
[03:56] <TheLordOfTime> (this also applies to any standard user's home directories)
[03:57] <TheLordOfTime> or does it violate policies
[03:58] <RAOF> The application doesn't create those directories on first run?
[03:58] <RAOF> (No, is the answer, btw)
[04:00] <TheLordOfTime> RAOF: supposedly, bitcoind in precise creates /root/.bitcoind/ on install
[04:00] <TheLordOfTime> but i haven't tested that to confirm
[04:00] <TheLordOfTime> (initially reported/seen in the #bitcoin general discussion channel)
[04:00] <RAOF> I'd guess that it runs the daemon on install, right?
[04:01] <RAOF> Which would then create the directories...
[04:01] <TheLordOfTime> it shouldn't, there's a billion security exploit risks in bitcoind on precise when its run as root
[04:01] <RAOF> Although it sounds like bitcoind should probably run as a non-root user.
[04:01] <RAOF> Right :)
[04:01] <TheLordOfTime> the question was, though, is a package allowed, on installation, to create a directory in /root/
[04:01] <TheLordOfTime> at all
[04:01] <TheLordOfTime> (since the daemon wasn't even running yet)
[04:01] <TheLordOfTime> (since the daemon wasn't even running yet according to the user that saw this)
[04:01] <TheLordOfTime> RAOF: my question is a general policy one
[04:02] <TheLordOfTime> not specific to this package
[04:02] <TheLordOfTime> (if it were within my power, I'd wipe bitcoind from the repos and versionbump them all up to latest stable in all versions of Ubuntu, but meh)
[04:02] <TheLordOfTime> s/wipe bitcoind/wipe the current bitcoind/
[04:03]  * RAOF is pretty sure the policy answer is “No”, but I've not hunted the precise section down.
[04:05] <RAOF> TheLordOfTime: They're wrong, too; bitcoind in Precise (and, indeed, Saucy) does not create /root/.bitcoind on install
[04:09] <TheLordOfTime> RAOF: hmm.  does it autorun the daemon?
[04:09] <RAOF> No
[04:10] <TheLordOfTime> RAOF: having said this i still want to know the packaging policy on this
[04:10] <TheLordOfTime> RAOF: then i'll have to educate people in how things work and tell them that they have failed epicly
[04:10] <TheLordOfTime> either way, though, i still want to know the policy about this: is a package, during installation, allowed to mess with any user's "home" direcotyr.
[04:11] <TheLordOfTime> s/direcotyr/directory/
[04:11]  * TheLordOfTime shrugs
[04:12] <RAOF> TheLordOfTime: As I said, I'm pretty sure the answer is “no”
[04:15] <RAOF> Among other things, it's moderately difficult to actually do.
[04:44] <Logan_> xnox: Mind if I disable -Werror on sphinxsearch to fix the FTBFS on rebuild?
[04:46] <Logan_> (And the current FTBFS on ppc64el?)
[05:40] <Logan_> Hi Jackson.
[05:54] <Noskcaj> hey Logan_
[05:55] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I'm sure you have something for me to do.
[05:55] <Noskcaj> Logan_, Sponsorship queue in general, but there's a few high priority ones, let me check
[05:55] <Noskcaj> ;)
[05:55] <michagogo|cloud> TheLordOfTime: actually, Ubuntu has stopped including Bitcoin
[05:56] <michagogo|cloud> Unfortunately, that change is only in effect starting with Trusty
[05:57] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I plan on going to sleep at a reasonable-ish time tonight, so make it quick.
[05:57] <Logan_> Although it appears that I have already failed at that, considering it's almost 1 AM.
[05:57] <Noskcaj> Logan_, https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/gauche/ppc64el/+merge/200266
[05:57] <Noskcaj> It should fix a heap of your PPC64el issues
[05:58] <Noskcaj> https://code.launchpad.net/~noskcaj/ubuntu/trusty/menu-cache/ppc64el/+merge/200244 also unblocks a heap
[05:59] <Unit193> Logan_: Psh, 1am _is_ reasonable. ;)
[05:59] <michagogo|cloud> Though I'm told that it could be effectively removed through the SRU process, by creating an "update" that simply makes the software unusable -- if anyone wants to do that, it'd be great
[05:59] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Looking at gauche.
[05:59] <Noskcaj> ubuntu-dev time =/= normal person time
[05:59] <Noskcaj> ty
[05:59] <Logan_> Believe me, I'm far from a normal person.
[06:01] <michagogo|cloud> (I don't know how that would be done, both from the standpoint of Ubuntu policy/procedure and from the standpoint of the actual update itself and how it would work)
[06:06] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Did you do a test build of gauche?
[06:06] <Noskcaj> Logan_, On amd64, yes
[06:06] <Noskcaj> built fine
[06:06] <Logan_> Trusty?
[06:06] <Noskcaj> yeah. pbuilder-dist
[06:06] <Logan_> No, you didn't.
[06:07] <Logan_> Because you would've noticed that the autoreconf failed with 16 missing header warnings.
[06:07] <Noskcaj> I did, i'll try and build it again
[06:07] <Logan_> Tsk tsk.
[06:08] <Logan_> In any case, there's a simple fix if you don't know how to do it.
[06:08] <TheLordOfTime> michagogo|cloud: oh good, may I ask the reasons for them not including bitcoin anymore? :)
[06:09] <TheLordOfTime> michagogo|cloud: (that does not, however answer my question about general packaging policies)
[06:09] <TheLordOfTime> i could go poke debian about that, but meh
[06:09] <Noskcaj> Logan_, Just give me a minute to branch it
[06:10] <michagogo|cloud> TheLordOfTime: read the ML archives
[06:12] <TheLordOfTime> michagogo|cloud: ehh, i'm lazy, besides it's 01:12 and i'm tired, i'll add that to my todo list
[06:12] <TheLordOfTime> ... which ML archive though
[06:23] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Actually, my quick-and-dirty fix doesn't appear to have worked. So let me know if you come up with something.
[06:23] <Noskcaj> Logan_, My internet is being more broken than normal. Any chance you could fix and upload?
[06:24] <Noskcaj> I'll look into it tomorrow
[06:24] <Logan_> Still playing with it, though.
[06:25] <michagogo|cloud> TheLordOfTime: ubuntu-release
[06:25] <michagogo|cloud> And actually, maybe also ubuntu-motu
[06:30] <Logan_> Noskcaj: Do you have router problems or something?
[06:35] <Noskcaj> Logan_, Internet below ADSL speed, plus 4 brothers
[06:36] <Logan_> Noskcaj: I'm sorry to hear that you have brothers
[06:36] <Noskcaj> :)
[06:37] <Noskcaj> Should i delete the menu-cache branch
[07:01] <Logan_> wgrant: Is it possible for MultiDistroTools on UbuntuWire to compare Trusty to Sid instead of to Jessie?
[07:05] <wgrant> Logan_: The next update will use sid
[07:05] <Logan_> Sweet. When will that come out?
[07:05] <Logan_> Or are you referring to 14.10? :P
[07:06] <wgrant> It's updated hourly.
[07:07] <Logan_> Ah.
[07:07] <Logan_> Thanks!
[08:14] <dholbach> good morning
[12:37] <xnox> LoganCloud: Logan_: well I did try to make sphinxsearch actually pass all of it's autoreconf errors =/
[19:49] <Noskcaj> Laney, You around?
[20:05] <Logan_> Noskcaj: End up figuring out that FTBFS?
[20:08] <Noskcaj> Logan_, gauche? No, i was just getting around to it now,
[20:09] <Logan_> Okay. Let me know.
[20:13] <Noskcaj> Would the autoheader issue just need another b-dep or do i need to make some patches?
[20:14] <Logan_> I'm not sure. I tried adding AC_CONFIG_MACRO_DIRS([m4]) to configure.ac, but it didn't appear to work.