=== map is now known as Guest91954 [02:00] yo === Guest91954 is now known as mapps === 77CAA0A27 is now known as Chaser [07:04] morning all [07:09] morn [07:10] AlanBell: what does rooting it give you? i have one on the way [07:35] you can read books with extra privileges? [07:37] "press this button to find out whodunnit" [07:41] press left button to go to page 45 and go down the tunnel, press right button to go to page 25 and see who picked up the glass ;) [07:41] MooDoo: choose-your-own ebook adventure? [07:41] now that I'd pay for :) [07:43] MartijnVdS: new business venture :D [07:44] aren't they called hyperlinks now? [07:44] foobarry: I can telnet into it and do stuff [07:45] foobarry: sure you could use hyperlinks to get the effect.. [08:03] i "rooted" my nook, then put it back to normal once I realised I didn't need it rooted but it worked just fine without rooting [08:05] Morning all [08:05] morning diplo popey [08:09] Colder but drier this morning! yay [08:09] How're we all ? [08:12] Not to bad to be honest, replaced hard drive in laptop the other day, re-installed all went ok [08:21] MooDoo: lost any data from the old one? [08:23] MartijnVdS: I backed up to my server before replaced, not a failure just a replacement 160gb to 1tb [08:24] MooDoo: so it's still spinning rust? :) [08:25] MartijnVdS: I've gone from dual boot win8/ubuntu to pure ubuntu [08:29] My laptop at home is pure ubuntu, want to check whether I can stick an SSD in it but not sure how to find out yet [08:30] diplo: it should, it's still the same connector. [08:34] unless the laptop is IDE [08:34] ali1234: wow laptops still have ide? [08:34] i have one with IDE yeah [08:35] if it had IDE when it was made chances are it still has IDE now :) [08:35] ali1234: old laptop? [08:35] yeah it's a second generation netbook [08:58] Sorry guys, phone [08:59] diplo: god dammit ;) [08:59] Nah it is a Sata interface, I tried a hybrid I bought for someone in there [08:59] Didn't recognise it, not sure if a hybrid would cause any different issues [09:10] Good morning peeps :) [09:15] i would like a non-kindle ereader to be able to read kindle books without having to strip drm [09:16] You want the moon on a stick, that's what you want [09:16] is that too much? [09:16] A little early 90s reference there [09:16] it could be android with teh kidnel app [09:17] foobarry: nook can run the kindle app [09:18] yeah, i heard that was the case [09:18] i ran it on mine for a bit, not optimal though [09:19] urgh cant get rid of this cold/flu ..wakeup still got this sore throat =[ [09:20] i suppose it will teach me to strip drm from my kindle books straight away, which uis good practice anyway [09:20] my problem is that i wanted a kindle but i'm a cheapskate [09:21] even then, kindle can't open epub.. [09:22] Good morning all! :-D [09:22] morn [09:22] morning [09:24] foobarry: Calibre -> Strip DRM -> Library -> Sync to device ( Auto converts ) no issue ? [09:27] diplo: does it convert to epub? [09:29] "strip DRM" is not a simple step AFAIrecall [09:29] it wasn't a single button [09:31] if only it were always that simple [09:32] foobarry: that's the reason I haven't gone and gotten the kindle or any other 'branded' eReader that has a lockdown to Kindle [09:32] I do have an old Sony eReader but I've not used it for years really [09:33] I e-mail myself PDFs of books to my Kindle. [09:33] Generally when I already have the paper version, of course. [09:33] pdf reading sucks doesn't it? unless on a tablet [09:33] Depends on the book, sometimes they convert fairly well (put 'convert' in the e-mail subject) [09:36] probably my vmware book will not.. [09:36] actually thats already an amz...it sucks :) [09:37] I was considering buying the C bible, got it on Kindle but it was still pretty expensive. [09:38] got my online vmware course come through finally :D [09:44] come on little charger, come to mama [09:45] (http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00DQ1QLFS/) [09:46] whoa [09:46] if only laptops could charge from USB :) [09:46] I ... MUST .... HAVE ... PPPPOOOOWWWAAARRRRHHH [09:47] I forgot the EU plug of my two-way usb charger to UK [09:48] Myrtti: you can plug EU plugs into UK sockets, or do you need the other one? [09:49] MartijnVdS: I had one of those travel ones that you can take the prongs out and switch - I took the UK plug off, left it into my bedside drawer and forgot to check I had packed the EU one into my backpack [09:49] so I now have a charger without prongs in Finland, and three or four different kinds of prongs in UK [09:50] sounds like a great excuse for new toys ;) [09:50] Myrtti: ah, the worst possible "combination" of parts (except for "just the prongs", maybe :) [09:52] shauno: well, a) the Anker one uses the standard cable instead of proprietary prongs, and b) at worst times I have three phones and a tablet to charge [09:53] so yes, I recon it was a good reason to get new toys, because even with the two way charger I had to make a judgement call every evening which device to charge [09:53] yeah, I spotted the figure-8 plug there. I always look for those, very handy - it means if all else fails, I can jam it together with a spare plug off any of my apple toys, and turn it into a wall-wart [09:54] I wish I had known those exist a year ago, would've ordered one then [09:55] this is what I've had so far http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0063EBPXS/ [09:55] https://twitter.com/chris__martin/status/420992421673988096 [09:56] that said, I wish I could find adaptors that use the round-style eu plug. sticking the narrow one into a round hole always feels very flimsy [09:57] shauno: the round-style plug is only for devices that need ground and require more power [09:58] we bought from Lidl an extension cord that has slots for both the round grounded ones and the slim ones [09:58] shauno: I'm assuming you mean "the narrow one" is "europlug" and "the round one" is Schuko [09:59] yeah, that's the ones [09:59] if D would change the input plug to a UK one then I could be happy with all my Finnish kit [09:59] which reminds me of the need to pack my SAD lamp [09:59] Myrtti: you could install one or two UK sockets in Finland, and/or several EU sockets in the UK :) [09:59] having my laptop's brick hanging off a europlug just doesn't feel like it's going to stay there [10:00] MartijnVdS: no need to install UK sockets to Finland, I'm moving out :-/ [10:00] shauno: really? guess it's down to what you're used to :) [10:00] well, I'm used to the UK sockets which were clearly designed to outlast the human race :D === Mez_ is now known as Mez [10:02] shauno: I've had bad connections with those too though [10:02] never...must be a problem with the wall :D [10:03] http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/4422853/onewheel-the-self-balancing-electric-skateboard [10:04] unicycle for the modern era [10:04] hipsters [10:05] it's a shame it's getting harder and harder to find bare plugs though. my old trick was to pick up the cheapest power strip I could find, cut the foreign plug off and pop a fresh one on [10:07] I have 6 US outlets and 4 schucko outlets screwed under my desk for a surprisingly low price that way [10:09] ... 230 volt US outlets? [10:09] !info calibre [10:09] calibre (source: calibre): e-book converter and library management. In component universe, is extra. Version 1.0.0+dfsg-1build1 (saucy), package size 17507 kB, installed size 35782 kB [10:09] heh, yes :) [10:10] almost everything uses switching supplies that are okay with that these days. anything that does - well I was probably going to blow it up sooner or later [10:10] er, anything that doesn't, rather [10:18] switch mode power supplies are basically magic [10:21] good morning everyone. [10:22] shauno: Electrical Wholesalers have them in bucket loads ( I work inside of one ) andused to work for one [10:22] Plugs that is [10:25] diplo: you work inside a bucket? [10:28] bigcalm: pronounced "Bouquet"? [10:30] MartijnVdS: oh my god, you didn't have to suffer Keeping up Appearances, did you? [10:30] bigcalm: we did [10:31] bigcalm: :) [10:32] yyyyyeeaaahh. [10:33] arrrrghghh [10:33] MooDoo: what are you pirating now? ;) [10:33] lol :) I don't pirate..... [10:34] yet you talked like one there :) [10:34] I'm not wearing my eye patch so it doesn't count [10:40] 8-) [10:40] whats the accepted way of installing recent version of calibre ? [10:40] apt-get install calibre ? [10:40] old version [10:40] no ppa [10:40] no idea.. get the deb from a newer Ubuntu? [10:40] still old :P [10:40] sudo python -c "import sys; py3 = sys.version_info[0] > 2; u = __import__('urllib.request' if py3 else 'urllib', fromlist=1); exec(u.urlopen('http://status.calibre-ebook.com/linux_installer').read()); main()" [10:40] EWWW [10:40] yeah [10:41] and updates? [10:41] https://launchpad.net/~n-muench/+archive/calibre [10:41] What's wrong with the package? [10:41] not this one? [10:41] i'm on 12.04 [10:41] just checking if this works [10:41] yeah, get it from upstream [10:41] he updates really frequently [10:41] nice chap [10:42] latest is 1.18 i think [10:42] he has 1.14... [10:42] * foobarry reads chagelog [10:42] only 1 month old [10:42] ta, i'll do that [10:44] 1.15 has some intereesting new features [10:44] A new book editor, capable of editing files in the EPUB and AZW3 (Kindle) formats [10:44] Right click on any book in calibre and choose 'Edit Book', to edit e-books in the EPUB and AZW3 formats. [10:44] i wonder what kind of income the guy makes [10:45] he quit his day job [10:45] based on donations alone [10:47] argh no precise ppa [10:48] ah he has another one, thats a bit (too) older [10:48] Is there an imprecise one? [10:49] [10:49] I should go back to my code [10:49] hmmm code [10:50] * MartijnVdS writes some more tests [10:52] * foobarry does more battle with IBM [10:54] popey: so, you like cats eh? [10:55] wow calibre interface is still ugly [10:56] needs complete overhaul [11:00] https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10153723789980204 wake skating in surrey [11:01] foobarry: looks good not impressed that people want to risk playing in that kinda water :S [11:01] sure they know what they are doing [11:02] yeah I guess [11:02] surrey is just wet with puddles rather than cornwall type floods [11:02] although the river overflowed in town centre of guildford === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [11:03] I imagine that it improved Guildford [11:03] :o [11:03] Hehe [11:04] I don't have the best of memories from there, sorry [11:04] must be a super snob if you are snobby about g'ford [11:04] because g'ford people are snobby about everywhere else [11:04] (in my experience) [11:06] foobarry: we asked the author when we interviewed him about the UI [11:06] he said basically you're not target audience [11:07] "windows 98 users" [11:08] not being ungrateful but poosbily hes a coder rather than a UI designer [11:09] separate frontend vs backend would work for me.. I can write my own frontend ;) [11:09] My dad uses it without issue, so it works I guess and dad has never complained, I don't mind the UI [11:09] its the worst UI i can think of [11:11] popey: who's the target audience then [11:12] I guess people like my dad, he isn't technical at all and just got on and used it [11:12] it's unintuitive [11:13] not complained what it looks like, but as per you guys it wasn't a wow factor when I first used it [11:13] Well it must be fairly intuitive otherwise the non techical wouldn't be able to use it, it doesn't work how a technical person expects it to is probably a better case [11:16] yeah, exactly [11:16] non-techy people, many of whom bought an e-reader before a pc [11:18] I still think the interface could be better for both techies *and* non-techies [11:20] i agree ☻ [11:22] Morning all [11:23] like this mockup http://dribbble.com/joshkennedy [11:23] AlanBell: going for code club community manager? ;) [11:23] although if there's an ibooks app it probavbly already looks like this [11:25] MooDoo: nope, I am too grumpy :) [11:25] AlanBell: ha ha ha ha [11:25] also, you don't say "community" often enough I guess [11:26] I thought that was mr. Bacon's line [11:26] community community community... [11:27] MartijnVdS: I thought jono said it enough for everyone [11:27] Myrtti: isn't that because he's the community manager ? [11:27] I assume he didn't get the job just because sabdfl likes his face [11:28] it was the beard [11:28] * popey can't help but think codeclub saw my tweet this morning ☻ [11:29] yeah, I think you have been inspirational [11:31] popey: apparently you like cats :) [11:31] popey hugs all the phablets [11:33] hm [11:33] hope this escape plan's better than arnies other recent film [11:34] last stand wasn't *that* bad [11:34] (morning all) [11:34] hey neuro [11:34] hmm i didnt enjoy it at all..maybe i expected too much [11:34] i didn't :) [11:35] watched lone survivor yesterday and wolf of wall st both were good:) [11:38] I watched the history of mojang/minecraft, which was quite interesting, clever man, rich man :D [11:38] lone survivor was very good..wolf of wall st's pretty long 2hrs44!!!! [11:38] id have hated to be in the cinema for that long [11:38] uncomfortable seats..cant pause it etc ugh [11:39] i think someone has just revealed how they consume content ... :) [11:39] netflix or lovefilm clearly [11:39] ;p [11:39] although perhaps that excuse wont fly in this case:) [11:40] indeed :) [11:41] been having terrible sleep recently..got this annoying cold/flu i reckon i must be coughing and waking up sleep 1/2hrs wakeup etc managed to sleep for i think abou 5hrs continuous 430-930am then wokeup and cant get back to sleep!! [11:42] night nurse [11:42] gonna get some nytol / strepsils / some other stuff and just hope that fixes it :D annoying thing is you cant buy too much of that stuff they limit it..so i never have any left when i need it [11:42] ah yea [11:42] night nurse good idea too [11:46] Go into one shop, then go to the next and buy the extra, or... go to tescos.. go to one line and then walk back in and go to another [11:46] I've had to do that before [11:46] Or just go to a proper pharmacy [11:50] yea il have to do that..just a bit annoying :) else il need some nytol and have none left;/ [11:52] Rackspace have a sense of humour, who's have guessed it? [11:52] SMTP -> FROM SERVER:250 Great success [11:52] CLIENT -> SMTP: quit [11:52] SMTP -> FROM SERVER:221 See you later. Yours truly, Mailgun [11:52] lol what are you trying to do [11:54] Not trying, succeeding - Rackspace cloud accounts have access to Mailgun. Giving us 50,000 emails per month [11:57] hey everyone [11:58] hey knightwi1e [11:58] hullo [11:59] bigcalm: o rly [11:59] hey MooDoo mapps [11:59] neuro: rly [12:00] i'm annoyed we're not a rackspace customer now [12:00] that would be useful [12:01] It even has full logging of outgoing emails in the web interface [12:01] Yay for debugging [12:01] yeah, i've been looking at it to replace our existing mailshot infra [12:01] what do you use mailgun for [12:02] iirc it's cheaper than mailchimp [12:02] mapps: in this instance, sending email from one of our test servers [12:02] but couldnt you do that without mailgun === knightwi1e is now known as knightwise [12:03] Things have a tendency to fall over until you use a recognised mail server [12:03] exim worked for me [12:04] sending mail is easy as pie, but most the planet will refuse it until you meet a checklist as long as your arm. Using a relay that's already jumped those hoops saves a lot of trouble on ad-hoc servers [12:04] Sure, but the server you're sending from might end up in a spam list for some reason. Or a new server uses a recycled email address that is already in a black list [12:04] http://freedombone.uk.to/#sec-4.10 [12:05] What shauno said [12:07] I had a mess a few months ago when gmail started requiring rdns on ipv6 connections, where it hadn't previously. so even once it's working, it can still explode [12:09] Hmm...myself and some friends are in the process of setting up our own email servers. Even using a realy (VirignMedia, run by Google) isn't reliable. Emails get silently dropped. [12:10] * neuro just did a mailgun quote [12:10] ouch [12:10] s/realy/relay [12:11] cheaper than mailchimp though [12:15] neuro: see if SuperMat1 can get you a discount ;) [12:16] hehe === SuperMat1 is now known as SuperMatt [12:20] I won't be able to get discounts for anyone but myself [12:20] cop out :) [12:21] people keep asking me for discounts :( [12:21] I haven't even started yet! [12:23] SuperMatt: what is it you will bedoing? [12:23] I will be a Linux Adminstrator Level 1 [12:23] LEVEL 1 ... FIGHT! [12:24] SuperMatt: does that mean "someone who gets coffee"? [12:24] meaning I'll be helping people with their problems, and helping design their infrastructure [12:24] I hope not [12:24] it means you have to automate the coffee making and retrieval process [12:26] https://major.io/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/boromir_rackspace_job.jpg hee hee [12:26] HTCPCP ? [12:27] HTTPGPGTLSLMAOGTFROFLCOPTER? [12:27] neuro: RFC 2324 [12:27] RFC UR MOM [12:28] MooDoo: turns out that was wrong ;) [12:29] SuperMatt: ? [12:31] one does simply get a job there [12:31] MartijnVdS: that's horrible - far too specific to pots. how american. I need properties for shot time, pre-infusion, temp, etc .. [12:31] shauno: it has a response code for teapots [12:32] but .. but .. my espresso machine. my precious! [12:32] Moka pots ftw [12:33] * MartijnVdS just has a kettle and a tea pot [12:33] there's actually a lot of people mating arduinos to the machine I have. <3 toys [12:37] output from the world's most childish browser extension: http://www.flickr.com/groups/cloud-to-butt/ [12:37] a chrome extension that changes all instances of "the cloud" in a page to "my butt" [12:38] lol [12:38] neuro: why yours? [12:38] not mine, "mine" [12:38] is your butt in the cloud? [12:38] is yours? [12:39] yes, I do all my back end stuff there [12:40] hi hi [12:40] neuro: I have that installed at work. it's fantastic when I've been away for a week and it slips my mind [12:41] :) [12:54] why can't tradesmen ever turn up on the day you ask them? [12:55] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9PdeZGWiek [12:55] original bungle was creepy [12:55] foobarry: Get better tradesmen [12:55] +1 [12:56] i saw ep1 of rainbow other day [12:57] i said bungle is scary [12:57] father in law walked in room. said "bungle is scary" [12:57] son stopped dancing and looked at us [12:57] "bungle is scary" [13:01] For czajkowski http://cheezburger.com/7984699136 [13:12] ih ♥ http://professorfonz.tumblr.com/tagged/my+sherlockian+knits === LjL-Away is now known as LjL [13:17] syncthing is todays discovery [13:17] tis quite nice === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:21] popey: what does it sync? [13:21] whatever you put in the sync folder [13:21] between machines [13:21] like btsync [13:21] ah, that kind of sync :) [13:22] yeah, replacement for dropbox etc [13:22] kinda [13:23] how do i auto accept java's EULA from the terminal im trying to automate the install of some pkgs [13:25] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6720696/ is what im putting together [13:26] Does it have to be Oracle Java? Would openjdk (or whatever it's called) suffice? [13:27] as long as java plugins for firefox work im not fussed [13:29] openjdk installs icedtea (plugin for Firefox). They should work OK, so long as you have no speific requirement that demands Oracle Java. [13:29] Dunno if this is still valid: http://www.tikirobot.net/wp/2009/01/12/how-to-automate-installs-of-sun-java-6-on-ubuntu-using-cli/ === roht is now known as wadzi [13:30] wheels123: And this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/190582/installing-java-automatically-with-silent-option [13:31] Just looked at syncthing popey, did you try it yet ( I see it's in early stages ) [13:31] Might give it a go tonight at home [13:31] i am running it now [13:31] synced a few GB between 3 machines just fine [13:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6720696/ also this is what im working on surely i dont need to sudo for adding every repo? [13:31] although it can slow the machine down a bit when it's going nuts [13:32] wheels123: you do I think; I've always seen in expressed that way. Not sure if sudo can accept multiple commands. [13:33] You will, however, only be challenged for the password the first time. [13:33] run the script under sudo [13:33] Or that [13:33] and remove all the sudo's from the file [13:33] given you need sudo for every single line [13:34] im sort of a noob [13:34] out of interest why do you need oracle-java7-installer ? [13:34] I want to sync my parents Windows PC, was going to try rsync under cygwin - tested at work and works ok [13:35] if you're interested in some back-seat-driving, I'd look into 'mktemp' rather than naming /tmp/newfile. it probably won't make an ounce of difference to you now, but it's a good habit to get into [13:36] popey: some of the websites i visit use java for chat rooms ect although im sure openjdk will work fine [13:37] i thought webupd8 had to remove oracle from their ppa [13:37] or did they add a script which download and installs it? [13:37] yep [13:37] hehe [13:37] k [13:40] shauno: so how would i implament mktemp into the script im still a bit of a newb at scripting [13:42] usually I'd do something like MYTMPFILE=$(mktemp), and then pipe to $MYTMPFILE, mv $MYTMPFILE to the destination, etc. it's just a tidy habit because it means you don't have predictable names that could lead to intentional or accidental collisions & such [13:45] anyone want a laser http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oxford-Lasers-CU10-Copper-Vapour-Lasers-x2-one-working-one-for-spares-/171211877471? [13:49] popey: All you need now is a couple of sharks.... [13:49] pew pew [13:50] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6720797/ made some of the edits relating to tmp file usage but idk if i wrote it correctly [13:52] it looks convincing :) but feel free to completely ignore me if it's cleaner to deal with one complication at a time [13:53] hehe the running under sudo bit confuses me [13:55] TwistedLucidity: yes then world domination will be popey's........wait no bond always arrives and messes up the bad mans plans right [14:03] hello davmor2 [14:03] MooDoo: hello [14:07] davmor2: how am ya geezer? [14:08] MooDoo: good ta, you cockney pearly king you. How am ya? [14:08] I totally misread that [14:09] *krhm* [14:09] davmor2: I'm fine :D [14:09] Myrtti: I don't know how that could possibly be misread :D === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g === dogmatic69__ is now known as dogmatic69 [14:50] oh Sony, why do you do the things you do? [14:51] daftykins: because Japan? [14:51] their VPCCA and VPCCB laptops use the Atheros AR3011 bluetooth chipset, only the *only* way to install the driver is before *anything* else at all (under Windows) [14:51] any other point in the process and it won't work [14:51] :> [14:51] really? wow. [14:52] yep, it's a quirky one [14:52] a user is asking me for a server's portal number. what's that? port number? [14:52] amusingly i wrote it up on my own site and even provided the correct driver (Sony's website gives you the wrong one) [14:52] foobarry: probably.. what are they tring to do [14:52] but i didn't realise i was working on practically the same laptop model :> [14:53] either use ssh or opennx, either way, ports are the default ones [14:53] daftykins: how hard can it be to provide a proper driver package.. most vendors do that now [14:53] MartijnVdS: not sure, they give a broadcom driver instead XD [14:53] i should edit my post to reflect both models really [14:53] daftykins: doesn't the driver install through windows update? :) [14:54] daftykins: Broadcom's driver does [14:54] nah it has no idea [14:54] http://www.techblo.gg/?p=192 [14:55] whopping 100+ MB driver too [14:55] "Let's ship an entire custom bluetooth stack" then [15:08] A Rackspace person replied to my ticket with "Thank you for reaching out to us." - made me feel sorry for them [15:09] for talking in american? [15:10] bigcalm: they wanted to get together and touch base ;) [15:11] * bigcalm grumbles [15:12] lol [15:12] I forgotten how to unsub from a mailman list. Anybody remember? [15:12] look at the header [15:12] it has the subsub email address in it [15:12] Ta :) [15:15] Yay, let there be fewer emails in this world [15:17] Removed myself from a LUG I attended once about 2 or so years ago [15:17] Wow, 2010 [15:19]