[05:16] <Kilos> morning all and sundry
[05:16] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[06:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning everyone
[06:12] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:18] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:51] <inetpro> good mornings
[06:52] <inetpro> Kilos: you ok?
[06:52] <Kilos> morning inetpro yes ty and you
[06:52]  * inetpro is good thanks
[06:52] <Kilos> i was watching dragon wars
[06:52] <inetpro> just noticed you going to sleep at half past midnight
[06:53] <Kilos> found one solution for ian
[06:53] <Kilos> ya man i tried everything with that zte
[06:53] <inetpro> ai!
[06:53] <Kilos> im using it now but it cant be seen with any windows
[06:54] <Kilos> so now he will take my arab modem which works anywhere and ill his zte here and keep investigating
[06:54] <Kilos> something is wrong in the software in it
[06:55] <Kilos> installs in xp but dont work
[06:56] <Kilos> but works too kiff with ubuntu just slower than e220 but same about as the arab modem
[07:15] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:24] <Vince-0> hui
[07:31] <Kilos> hi plustwo 
[07:31] <plustwo> :) good morning Oom
[07:31] <plustwo> o/ all
[07:31] <Kilos> Vince-0, hui=human user interface???
[07:32] <plustwo> Kilos: whadup?
[07:33] <Kilos> same old- different day
[07:47] <Kilos> i see what peeps with uncapped net do
[07:47] <Kilos> 379G of movies on external
[07:50] <theblazehen> morning guys
[07:51] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[07:55] <theblazehen> hey Gotango 
[07:55] <Gotango> Hey Kilos , i got the DVD
[07:55] <Gotango> Hey theblazehen
[07:56] <Gotango> I tried the live cd and ubuntu seems to run smoothly
[07:58] <Gotango> I clicked on an icon for installation. I got stuck with the partition thing. Should i create a new partition, since i dont wana lose windows ?
[07:58] <Gotango> Device for boot loader installation :
[07:58] <Gotango> /dev/sda ATA WDC  WD1600BEKT-6 (160.0 GB)
[07:58] <Gotango> /dev/sda1 Windows 7 (loader)
[07:58] <Gotango> /dev/sda2 Windows 7 (loader)
[07:58] <Gotango> /dev/sda3 Windows Vista (loader)
[07:58] <Gotango> /dev/sda4
[08:00] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:00] <Kilos> if you gonna run alongside dont partition
[08:00] <Gotango> I mean partition table
[08:01] <Kilos> just let ubuntu do its thing
[08:02] <Kilos> you should then get an optiong to resize how much space each os uses
[08:02] <Gotango> It didnt gave me that option to run it alongside windows
[08:02] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:03] <Gotango> It gave only 2 options 1: Erase disk and install ubuntu 2: Something else . I chose something else
[08:03] <Gotango> Which brought me to the partition table 
[08:03] <Kilos> ok now i know where you are
[08:04] <Kilos> but its shoulda given the option to run alongside
[08:04] <Kilos> hmm...
[08:04] <Gotango> It didnt
[08:04] <Kilos> grrr
[08:05] <Kilos> have you got a large usb stick or an external drive
[08:05] <Gotango> I installed from the icon on the desktop. Should i rather do it from ubuntu boot menu
[08:05] <Gotango> nope
[08:05] <charl> good morning all
[08:05] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:05]  * Maaz puts the kettle on
[08:05] <charl> hi Gotango 
[08:05] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:06] <Gotango> hi charl
[08:06] <charl> hi plustwo, theblazehen 
[08:06] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[08:06] <theblazehen> hey charl!
[08:06] <Vince-0> haai
[08:06] <Kilos> oh wait
[08:07] <Kilos> you let it boot up and didnt go with the install option
[08:07] <Kilos> you went the try option
[08:07] <Gotango> I left it and it started the live cd
[08:07] <Gotango> yes
[08:08] <Gotango> Should i choose the installation option in that menu ?
[08:08] <Kilos> ya reboot and go with the install option
[08:08] <Kilos> then you should get the run alongside option
[08:08] <Gotango> Okay will try that
[08:09] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:11] <theblazehen> Maaz: coffee on
[08:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:14] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:14] <Maaz> charl: Okay :-)
[08:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for theblazehen!
[08:32] <Gotango> Kilos i tried again and again, it still gives only 2 installation options
[08:32] <Kilos> ai!
[08:32] <Kilos> ok wait a bit
[08:32] <Kilos> lemme think
[08:33] <Kilos> easier if i was looking at it
[08:33] <Kilos> how important is all the win7 stuff?
[08:33] <charl> Kilos: what win7 stuff?
[08:33] <Gotango> When i try create a new partition it wants to delete the windows partitions
[08:34] <charl> oh sorry i missed a part of the conversation
[08:34] <Kilos> as in have you got a backup and can reinstall
[08:34] <Gotango> Well i need some windows programs still, and got lots of files 
[08:34] <Kilos> he has a remastersys dvd but it dont give the option to run alongside windows
[08:35] <Gotango> Atleast until i get to replace the windows versions of those programs with the linux equavilent
[08:35] <Gotango> Nope i dont
[08:35] <Gotango> Do you mean windows OS backup
[08:35] <Kilos> lets hear what charl says but i would backup all windows stuff to somewhere then reinstall windows but only give it a certain size of the drive to use
[08:36] <Kilos> as i have on here, i install windows to the first 20g of the drive and ubuntu on the rest
[08:36] <Gotango> I cant backup windows i dont have a windows cd
[08:37] <charl> just read the earlier conversation
[08:37] <Kilos> oh my
[08:37] <charl> so you are running both vista and windows 7 on there?
[08:37] <Gotango> Thats why i want ubuntu incase windows crashes
[08:37] <Gotango> Atleast then i will have a backup OS
[08:37] <Gotango> Nope charl only windows 7
[08:37] <Kilos> i coulda sent you a windows dvd as well
[08:38] <Kilos> but now broke
[08:38] <Kilos> oh wait
[08:38] <charl> Gotango: can't you backup all your files and applications without needing a windows cd?
[08:39] <Gotango> Nah Kilos i wana ditch windows, but thanks though
[08:39] <charl> how much free space do you have on that drive?
[08:39] <Kilos> charl, he can run live buntu and use gparted to resize the windows hey
[08:39] <charl> he should be able to, but be *very* careful resizing drives
[08:39] <charl> partitions i mean
[08:39] <charl> first make sure you have *everything* you need off that partition backed up
[08:39] <charl> because it *can* (shouldn't, but can) go wrong
[08:40] <Kilos> Gotango, there is a cure for windows problems
[08:40] <Gotango> Yes i can charl on a few dvds, but only media files 
[08:40] <Kilos> all of them
[08:40] <charl> but yes, if you don't have enough free space left, resize with gparted http://gparted.org/display-doc.php?name=help-manual#gparted-resize-partition
[08:41] <Gotango> I got 77 GB free space
[08:41] <Kilos> i have use gparted for that and didnt give probs
[08:41] <charl> that should be plenty enough, just install ubuntu on that then
[08:41] <charl> don't resize unless you must
[08:41] <Gotango> So charl , do i have to create a new partition then
[08:41] <charl> yes
[08:42] <charl> two partitions - ext4 and swap
[08:42] <charl> and then you still need to install a boot loader
[08:42] <Gotango> Hmm, okay, but how do i backup the windows partitions
[08:42] <Kilos> 2 parts /root and /home
[08:42] <charl> the configuration of the boot loader should automatically detect your windows partitions and allow you to boot into them
[08:42] <Kilos> oh and swap
[08:42] <Kilos> so 3
[08:43] <charl> Gotango: external hard drive, drive clone, etc
[08:43] <charl> if you want to fully backup the partitions
[08:43] <Gotango> Okay i think i understand
[08:43] <charl> Kilos: you don't need separate partitions for / and /home, that's optional
[08:44] <Kilos> ya but good to have separate home
[08:44] <charl> back in the day we used norton ghost but now there are tools like http://clonezilla.org/
[08:44] <Symmetria> heh I find myself in the unique position of arguing that someone is overspeccing something ;p
[08:44] <Kilos> unless you just install to the spare and let ubuntu decide
[08:44] <Symmetria> lol, we're building a mirror server, for the love of all things holy I don't need an entire equilogix storage system for it
[08:45] <charl> what's that, a san?
[08:46] <charl> here we used a nexenta but the thing wasn't performing the way it should
[08:47] <Gotango> Thanks guys , i think i will try backing up as much needed personal files as i can. Then install ubuntu and create a new partition for it. If windows breaks i dont care
[08:49] <Kilos> Gotango, listen
[08:49] <Kilos> first backup what you can
[08:49] <Kilos> then boot from that dvd
[08:49] <Kilos> then ask here and ill explain the resizing thing
[08:50] <Kilos> you boot like you did first time into the try ubuntu option
[08:50] <Gotango> Yip Kilos thats what i wana do. Any idea why ubuntu dont give the run alongside windows menu option ?
[08:50] <charl> if he has 77gb free space he should be fine
[08:51] <charl> what i am worried about is exactly that - why does ubuntu not detect it
[08:51] <Kilos> no maybe its something in the remastersys design
[08:51] <charl> and if ubuntu does not detect windows then will it configure grub correctly
[08:51] <charl> you might need to manually mess around getting grub sorted later :(
[08:51] <Kilos> what is important on win7 there Gotango ?
[08:52] <Kilos> media only?
[08:52] <Gotango> hmm what is a grub charl ? Is that like a command line thing
[08:52] <Kilos> grub is the boot loader
[08:53] <Kilos> what lets you decide to boot from ubuntu or win 
[08:53] <charl> i said "he" - Gotango is that he or she
[08:53] <Gotango> Yip Kilos and programs i use in web design like mysql, php runtimes, appengine, java python etc, I will have to replace that with the linux equavilent 
[08:54] <Kilos> ubuntu has mysql
[08:54] <Gotango> Oh thanks
[08:54] <charl> yeah you should be able to run all of that under linux fine
[08:54] <Kilos> while you looking
[08:54] <charl> interesting that you work with appengine - i used to do appengine development a number of years ago
[08:54] <Kilos> Maaz, google web design apps for 12.04
[08:54] <Maaz> Kilos: "webapps - WIll Web Apps be backported to 12.04? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/190922/will-web-apps-be-backported-to-12-04 :: "Web Development in Ubuntu 12.04, I don't want to go back to ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/136822/web-development-in-ubuntu-12-04-i-dont-want-to-go-back-to-windows :: "php - Setting up web application on Ubuntu
[08:54] <Maaz> Server 12.04 results in ..." http://stackoverflow.com/questions/18000400/setting-up-web-app…
[08:55] <Gotango> But i wanted to run windows alongside ubuntu until i got all those programs replaced 
[08:55] <Kilos> you can man
[08:55] <Gotango> and then finally trash windows 7
[08:55] <Kilos> boot from dvd
[08:55] <charl> Gotango: what you can also consider is running ubuntu inside a VM, if your hardware is up to it
[08:55] <Gotango> Thats nice charl :)
[08:55] <Kilos> then go the partitioning way
[08:55] <charl> use virtualbox or something, then you can run linux and win paralell
[08:56] <Kilos> nope old lappy charl 
[08:56] <charl> ok nvm then :)
[08:56] <charl> appengine is awesome but it also makes you dependent on google
[08:56] <Gotango> Just the partition thing got me worried now. I still need windows
[08:56] <Kilos> Gotango, just boot from dvd then get to partitioning
[08:57] <Kilos> then charl  will help you make the partitions
[08:57] <Gotango> Thats true charl. I mostly use appengine to store data from mobile apps via ajax
[08:57] <Kilos> so you will install only to that free space and not touch win
[08:58] <Kilos> and dont need to worry about saving windows stuff
[08:59] <Gotango> So if i create a new partition then what do i enter. Ubuntu got /home instead of C:\
[09:00] <charl> i would just make two partitions, one swap and one ext4 partition and mount it to /
[09:00] <charl> (root partition)
[09:00] <Kilos> ycan you come online same time
[09:00] <charl> you *can* do a separate /home partition but personally i never bother
[09:01] <charl> but you should be able to do all of that using the standard ubuntu partitioning tool during the installation
[09:01] <Symmetria> charl heh the equilogix is more than just a san
[09:01] <Gotango> Okay, any tuts on creating a new partition ?
[09:01] <Symmetria> its a rather high specification network storage system
[09:01] <Symmetria> and it costs a fortune :)
[09:02] <Symmetria> its 10gig ISCSI based 
[09:02] <charl> Gotango: a little old, but: http://www.linuxbsdos.com/2011/05/04/manual-disk-partitioning-guide-for-ubuntu-11-04/
[09:02] <Kilos> if you tick all the goodies on the right of the parting tool you will see options for mount points etc
[09:02] <charl> here's another http://athurion.hubpages.com/hub/Installing-Ubuntu-1204-LTS-with-customize-partition
[09:03] <charl> Symmetria: sounds nice, and expensive :)
[09:03] <Gotango> Thanks charl i will try that 
[09:04] <Gotango> So will i be able to boot both windows and ubuntu after this partition create process?
[09:04] <charl> that i can not guarantee, because that has nothing to do with the partitioning itself, but with the grub configuratio
[09:04] <charl> *configuration
[09:05] <charl> what normally happens is that ubuntu automatically detects your windows partitions and sets everything up for you
[09:05] <charl> but in your case we already know that doesn't happen
[09:05] <charl> what *could* happen is you could boot up and the next moment you can only boot into linux
[09:05] <charl> then you have to manually configure grub to boot into your windows partitions
[09:07] <Gotango> Yeah i dont know why it dont detect windows. And how will i be able to manually configure grub to boot into windows
[09:08] <charl> ideally, it should work like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJDcyAncmRY
[09:08] <charl> it should just autodetect everything
[09:08] <charl> but since it hasn't done that already, maybe you will have to do it manually
[09:08] <Kilos> superfly, you the gsm man. my e220 i have installed huawei's mobile partner on and it works. but in win it still opens the vmclight option and you can open the folder to see all thefile but cant delete them
[09:09] <Kilos> he cant watch videos charl 500m data a month
[09:09] <charl> if you do it manually you do it like this: http://superuser.com/questions/401331/how-to-add-windows-7-to-grub-menu
[09:09] <charl> bah that is the suck
[09:09] <charl> how do you people manage down there
[09:09] <Kilos> so if you can help without links thats better
[09:09] <charl> it's a little complicated to explain
[09:10] <Kilos> met moeite they say
[09:10] <charl> Gotango: you have a tool called update-grub
[09:10] <Kilos> no man if he runs live and comes on here it should be easy to explain how to part
[09:10] <charl> you execute it as root
[09:10] <charl> yeah exactly
[09:10] <charl> first get to that point and then let's help you
[09:11] <Kilos> Gotango, when peeps say execute as root they mean use sudo at the start of the command
[09:11] <Gotango> lol , yeah hopefully my unemploed status will change soon :)
[09:12] <Gotango> Aah i see Kilos
[09:12] <Kilos> charl, he is where i was when i started.  no linux experience i think
[09:13] <Kilos> so if you give a command that needs root then use sudo for him
[09:13] <charl> heh i have been doing this for too long :)
[09:13] <Gotango> Wil have to see if ubuntu can run my usb modem first before i can use the internet there
[09:14] <charl> what if you can't get onlie and you can't boot into windows
[09:14] <charl> you only have one pc? that's risky
[09:15] <Gotango> Yes charl. I will backup the stuff i need on dvd and then do the whole partition thing. If windows dont work anymore i'm fine with that. Hopefully ubuntu wont let me down
[09:16] <charl> no i meant if you can't get online using 3g under ubuntu
[09:16] <charl> it should work, but yeah everything should work, until it doesn't
[09:16] <charl> ok i am holding thumbs for you :)
[09:17] <Gotango> Thanks charl :) 
[09:18] <Gotango> Anyway i will do all this in a few days time when i get a few dvds
[09:18] <Kilos> just remember the upside down triangletop right is the network manager for mobile
[09:18] <Gotango> So can i test to see now if ubuntu works with my usb modem in live cd ?
[09:19] <Gotango> Thanks Kilos , i will look out for that :)
[09:19] <charl> that's a great idea
[09:19] <charl> do that first
[09:19] <Kilos> yes boot from it and right click that triangle and add new mobile connection
[09:20] <charl> sorry i have to get some work done bbl
[09:20] <Gotango> Nice , i try that :)
[09:20] <Gotango> Thanks again charl enjoy
[09:22] <Symmetria> charl lol, regarding cost, like, 60 thousand pounds worth
[09:41] <Gotango1> Yay! it works :)
[09:41] <Kilos> cool
[09:41] <Gotango1> It ran my usb modem no problems
[09:41] <Kilos> wonderful
[09:41] <Gotango1> Even detected cell c
[09:42] <Kilos> normally everything in ubuntu just works
[09:42] <Kilos> only here where murphy visits one struggles at times
[09:42] <Gotango1> Now i know the primary thing works . Just the Other stuff i have to sort out and i will be a full ubuntu user :)
[09:43] <Kilos> you can do everything in ubuntu apart from game
[09:44] <Symmetria> I disagree :) 
[09:44] <Symmetria> (sorry but I do)
[09:44] <Gotango1> Kilos is there a way to visually show the network is active , like when the internet is busy. I have that in windows and it helps me know when a program is using the web
[09:44] <Symmetria> you can do a LOT in ubuntu (way better than in windows), but what you can't do isn't limited to gaming :)
[09:44] <Kilos> lolo
[09:44] <Kilos> ya Symmetria but you do other stuff
[09:45] <Symmetria> kilos lol, so do a lot of people though :) 
[09:45] <Kilos> he is a web designer
[09:45] <Gotango1> I dont play much 3D games do ubuntu is fine for me
[09:45] <Kilos> linux has lotsa web design tools
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, /usr/bin/vim
[09:46] <Kilos> Gotango1, it should shows lines of signal strenght in that triangle
[09:46] <Kilos> s/strenght/strength
[09:46] <Gotango1> I need a icon that will flash everytime the internet is busy
[09:47] <Gotango1> Nope not that Kilos
[09:47] <Kilos> you want to see stuff
[09:47] <Gotango1> It should flash when downloading web page 
[09:47] <Kilos> ok sudo apt-get install iftop
[09:48] <Gotango1> A network indicator type of program
[09:48] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+t opens a terminal
[09:48] <Gotango1> What is iftop
[09:48] <Kilos> it shows data flow in and out and where to/from
[09:48] <Gotango1> oh ok , is it big
[09:49] <Kilos> no
[09:49] <Kilos> look at the bottom of your launcher on the left, the should be ablack and white block with 4 sections
[09:50] <Kilos> tick there and you can choose to run other things in a separate workspace
[09:50] <Gotango1> It says iftop is already the newest version
[09:50] <Kilos> i run iftop full time on my first desktop
[09:51] <Kilos> ok then type in
[09:51] <Kilos> sudo iftop -i ppp0
[09:52] <Gotango1> It  shows a data usage window
[09:53] <Kilos> yip
[09:53] <Kilos> good way to watch data if you arent uncapped
[09:53] <Gotango1> Can it be put at the top where the battery icon is , so it flashes everytime the network is busy
[09:54] <Gotango1> yeah true
[09:54] <Kilos> you have more than one desktop so give it one
[09:54] <Kilos> i use 10 workspaces
[09:55] <Gotango1> How do i do that
[09:55] <Kilos> look up
[09:55] <Gotango1> Just see 4 screens
[09:55] <Kilos> 11.49
[09:55] <Kilos> yes tick on second one
[09:56] <Gotango1> And then
[09:56] <Kilos> then you have a clean workspace with no apps running there
[09:56] <Gotango1> Then should i open iftop in there again
[09:56] <Kilos> then you open something else on each one and dont have to minimise all the time like windows
[09:57] <Gotango1> oh Okay
[09:57] <Kilos> i leave iftop and another terminal on my first desktop everytime
[09:57] <Gotango1> I wouldve liked a graphic at the top though that flashes everytime
[09:58] <Kilos> and to go check what you have running you click on the black square that opens on the left when there is a terminal open
[09:58] <Gotango1> but its okay i will search for a replacement in time, its not that important
[09:59] <Kilos> there must be apps for that as well
[09:59] <Kilos> there are cpu usage apps and lotsa stuff i dont use
[10:00] <Kilos> once you have ubuntu installed you install synaptic and you can see millions of apps
[10:00] <Kilos> thousands maybe
[10:01] <Gotango1> The terminal icon wont open 
[10:01] <Gotango1> When i click on it
[10:03] <Kilos> if you are on another window then you will switch to the desktop with terminals running
[10:03] <Gotango1> Btw why cant i scroll up in xchat to the top messages
[10:03] <Kilos> also on the left you can right click remove all the libre office apps so your launcher isnt crouded
[10:04] <Kilos> you need to set it to scroll back so many lines
[10:04] <Kilos> but dont forget you are running off a dvd not a drive
[10:05] <Kilos> so everything wont work as well as a running system
[10:05] <Kilos> the dvd hasnt got logfiles on it
[10:05] <Gotango1> oh okay i understand
[10:06] <Gotango1> will cross those bridges when i get there
[10:07] <Kilos> lol
[10:07] <Kilos> once installed you get the full benefits
[10:07] <Gotango1> lol 
[10:07] <Kilos> the dvd is to grab you
[10:08] <Gotango1> I cant find the black square thing to view system diagnostics
[10:09] <Kilos> i dunno what that is
[10:09] <Kilos> you are on the dvd not the drive
[10:09] <Gotango1> oh lol, right sorry :)
[10:09] <Kilos> there is no system stuff and other funny things on it
[10:10] <Kilos> hi drussell hows you?
[10:11] <Gotango1> Well i like how smooth 12.04 feels. I thought my cpy fan will go crazy lol , but it blowing a bit softer than on windows
[10:11] <drussell> Kilos: good thanks, and yourself?
[10:12] <Gotango1> Hi drussel
[10:12] <Kilos> good ty drussell 
[10:16] <Gotango1> cpu*
[10:17] <Symmetria> water cooling ftw!
[10:18] <Symmetria> lol my pc wouldnt function without liquid cooling, lol, infact I actually had to upgrade the liquid cooling system because the smaller one couldnt keep up
[10:19] <Gotango1> lol Symmetria that must be a hardcore gaming block you got there
[10:20] <Symmetria> Gotango1 heh, my pc is a little bit of an aberation ;p 
[10:20] <Kilos> cpu=central processing unit
[10:20] <Kilos> the pcs brains
[10:20] <Symmetria> Gotango1 heh, I have a 6 core 3960K socket 2011 cpu, and those things run hot at the best of times 
[10:21] <Symmetria> then add to that the 3 x GTX790 Ti video cards 
[10:21] <Symmetria> and some fairly heavy OC'ing 
[10:21] <Symmetria> and then in the case 6 x 4 terabyte disks generating a fair amount of heat
[10:21] <Symmetria> things get warm :)
[10:21] <Gotango1> Kilos, sound and videos plays well :)
[10:21] <Kilos> lol
[10:22] <Symmetria> Gotango1 http://www.alstonnetworks.net/temp/screens.jpg
[10:22] <Gotango1> Aah that explains it Symmetria
[10:28] <Gotango1> I dont have a browser here Symmetria. I'm sure your pc must be very hungry :)
[10:33] <Gotango1> oh shoot , what is the command for iftop again Kilos
[10:33] <Squirm> hey all
[10:33] <Squirm> Gotango1: I think it's iftop
[10:33] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[10:33] <Gotango1> Hey Squirm
[10:34] <Kilos> sudo iftop -i ppp0
[10:34] <Gotango1> Aah thanks :)
[10:34] <Kilos> write it down
[10:34] <Squirm> Symmetria: that's just unfair :/
[10:34] <Gotango1> I am :)
[10:34] <Kilos> save all commands you are given
[10:34] <Squirm> but your TV is scew
[10:34] <Squirm> it's annoying me
[10:35] <Squirm> s/scew/skew
[10:36] <Gotango1> I will Kilos, maybe i can find some more commands online aswell
[10:36] <Squirm> iftop is fantastic
[10:36] <Squirm> use it dailt
[10:36] <Squirm> s/dailt/saily
[10:36] <Squirm> s/saily/daily
[10:37] <Kilos> there are many Gotango1 but dont just jump in and go mad
[10:37] <Kilos> i keep the important ones
[10:38] <Gotango1> lol i'm always carefull
[10:38] <Gotango1> Yeah the important ones are fine for me
[10:39] <Kilos> and anything you want to install thats not in synaptic ask here first
[10:39] <Kilos> important to always try use what is in the repos
[10:40] <Gotango1> I think i will have issues with mysql, php, python, java, netbeans kinda programs. Cause linux uses different system configurations for them
[10:41] <Gotango1> But i'm sure you guys know all about how to make that process easy :)
[10:42] <Kilos> not me
[10:42] <Kilos> but others here work with all that stuff daily
[10:43] <Kilos> i can get noobs going in ubuntu
[10:44] <Gotango1> And you do it perfectly Kilos. thanks everything man :)
[10:44] <Gotango1> Dont call the mafia if my network cuts out for too long though
[10:45] <Kilos> you welcome man :-)
[10:45] <Kilos> lol
[10:45] <Kilos> nets dont go down for more than 2 days
[10:46] <Kilos> but ive been there at the 500m a month so understand
[10:46] <Gotango1> Yeah true, well i'm happy to be part of the ubuntu team
[10:46] <Kilos> great
[10:51] <Squirm> I don't know if Ubuntu does netbeans
[10:51] <Squirm> but everything else would be similar
[10:52] <inetpro> hmm...
[10:52] <inetpro> Kilos: Gotango1 is online with Ubuntu? 
[10:53] <inetpro> Well done!
[10:53] <Kilos> lol, makes me happy
[10:54] <inetpro> Maaz: what is for lunch?
[10:54] <Maaz> inetpro: How about some soup?
[10:54] <inetpro> ai!
[10:54] <Kilos> ai! voda wrote read only stuff on the e220
[10:55] <Kilos> Maaz, whats for lunch
[10:55] <Maaz> Goats cheese on crackers and a bowl of salad for you fat people
[10:55] <Kilos> ai!
[10:56] <Gotango1> I think so Squirm , but there are loads of IDE's out there
[10:57] <Gotango1> Hey inetpro , yeah i'm runnig ubuntu from live cd. I'm glad the usb modem worked perfectly :)
[10:58] <Gotango1> Kilos how do i check which programs are running. Something is downloading i dont know what it is i never clicked download anything
[11:00] <Kilos> eeek
[11:00] <Kilos> hasnt there been a popup thats says additional drivers are available?
[11:00] <Gotango1> Nope
[11:00] <Kilos> dont click anything till you have read it
[11:01] <Kilos> what does iftop show
[11:01] <Gotango1> I never clicked anything like that
[11:01] <Kilos> ya man you windows peeps are so used to clicking to close stuff thats in your way
[11:02] <Gotango1> Hmm now it stopped downloading 
[11:03] <Gotango1> Well i was at the software center  looking if a default browser was in there . Then closed it , after a while it started downloading stuff
[11:04] <Kilos> ya then it looks whats available
[11:04] <Kilos> dont go there till you have installed
[11:04] <Kilos> what you install from dvd goes away on reboot
[11:04] <Gotango1> Okay cool
[11:04] <Kilos> so wasted data
[11:05]  * Kilos goes to eat
[11:05] <Gotango1> Aah enjoy lunch :)
[11:07] <Kilos> ty
[11:33] <Kilos> oi
[12:32] <Kilos> hi georgl mazal 
[12:32] <mazal> Mirrag oom
[12:32] <mazal> Ek het goeie nuus en slegte nuus
[12:33] <Kilos> wat is gebreuk
[12:33] <mazal> Nee , is reg. Ek het toe uiteindelik ge-reinstall
[12:33] <Kilos> is die goeie nuus dat jy dit reg gemaak het
[12:33] <mazal> Unity is nou weer reg
[12:33] <Kilos> mooi
[12:33] <mazal> Dis die goeie nuus
[12:33] <Kilos> o o
[12:33] <mazal> Die slegte nuus is , ek is terug op unity nou lol
[12:33] <Kilos> nee man 12.04 unity is lekker
[12:34] <mazal> Wel hy moet reg bly vir 3 maande tot 14.04
[12:34] <Kilos> langer
[12:35] <Kilos> tot 14.04 stabiel is
[12:36] <mazal> Sal so einde Mei hom install
[12:36] <Kilos> ek gaan wag tot support ophou
[12:36] <Kilos> ek het niks van unity 13.04 gehou nie
[12:36] <mazal> Nee sjoe , wil nie so lank sit met ou software nie
[12:37] <mazal> Ek hoop net my 3rd party goed werk met 14.04 , baie het nie gewerk met 13.04 nie
[12:37] <Kilos> as 14.04 nie my pas nie gaan ek dan net kde en ou maverick gebruik
[12:37] <Kilos> maar kde 13.10 is lekker en baie vinnig
[12:38] <Kilos> nlsthzn, wassup man you didnt even say hi
[12:40] <Kilos> Gotango, just install it man and forget about win
[12:41] <Kilos> save media only
[12:43] <Gotango> Kilos i wana do that , but i got alot of icons graphics files and python , php , java software files , plus the media. I will have to back those up first on dvd. 
[12:44] <Gotango> Am am compressing them all now in zip files so its easy to save 
[12:47] <Kilos> good man
[12:49] <mazal> Bye everyone
[13:02] <Kilos> with 7zip or winzip
[13:03] <Gotango> 7zip , winzip removed itself one day lol , had to install a new one
[13:03] <Gotango> This win7 is buggy
[13:04] <Kilos> lol
[13:04] <Kilos> all windows are buggy
[13:04] <Kilos> yo somaunn where you been
[13:10] <somaunn> Hi Kilos, was turning arround
[13:10] <somaunn> too much Job to achieve
[13:10] <somaunn> but now i'm back on the road
[13:10] <Kilos> cool
[13:10] <somaunn> HAPPY NEW YEAR to ALL
[13:10] <Kilos> same there ty
[13:10] <somaunn> so what's new here
[13:11] <Kilos> meeting dates changed to last tuesday of each month
[13:11] <Kilos> this next meet will be interesting
[13:12] <Kilos> all about the net in za
[13:12] <somaunn> Kilos: not getting you right, i was out for so long i'm totally lost here
[13:12] <Kilos> monthly meetings 
[13:12] <Kilos> used to be mondays
[13:13] <somaunn> Oh yeah, so it now switched to every last tuesday of each month if not wrong !
[13:14] <Kilos> yes
[13:14] <somaunn> kilos, is it a bad things things if i say i'm actually using Fedora and not Ubuntu ?
[13:15] <Kilos> nope
[13:15] <Kilos> bad if you say you using win7 only
[13:16] <somaunn> Win7 !!!  i stopped the use of that system on my laptop since almost a year
[13:16] <Kilos> good man
[13:16] <Kilos> i use it
[13:16] <somaunn> for work purposes i'm using Win8.1 but on company unit not my personal
[13:17] <Kilos> to fill the first 20g of my faulty drive
[13:17] <Kilos> eek
[13:17] <somaunn> on my personal laptop runs fedora only 
[13:17] <Kilos> with work one doesnt have much choice
[13:17] <Kilos> why fedora?
[13:18] <somaunn> i swtiched because i felt in love with gnome 3, was really in with unity but it never worked like a charm on my laptop
[13:18] <Kilos> with rpm and yum
[13:18] <Kilos> ha
[13:18] <Kilos> ya unity upset many peeps
[13:19] <somaunn> but there are also few reasons, like you said YUM and RPM yeah i found it easy to understand and maintain
[13:19] <Kilos> good. wherever you are happy
[13:20] <somaunn> in fact i'm learning a lot with that distro
[13:20] <Kilos> learning is good
[13:20] <somaunn> yeah u right
[13:21] <somaunn> is frotzy arround these days ?
[13:21] <Kilos> on #glug.za
[13:21] <Kilos> hasnt been here for a long time
[13:22] <somaunn> okay i see
[13:22] <somaunn> did someone here tried Polari ?
[13:22] <Kilos> not that ive heard, but not everyone tells what they doing
[13:28] <somaunn> i'm currently testing Polari the new gnome irc client and found it useful
[13:31] <Kilos> aha
[13:31] <Kilos> i use xchat and konversation
[13:31] <Kilos> dont need anything else
[13:32] <Kilos> i had a short look at centos but didnt enjoy it
[13:34] <Kilos> wb ThatGraemeGuy 
[13:35] <Kilos> sjoe
[13:35] <Kilos> https://senior.ceng.metu.edu.tr/2008/hsbssmart/files2/User%20Manual.pdf
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> ty
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> quick reboot after updates
[13:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> hoping a weird issue is fixed
[13:35] <Kilos> wow that was fast
[13:36] <Kilos> oh 2 mins
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, SSDs rock :)
[13:36] <Kilos> too expensive
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> actual reboot is something like 20 secs
[13:36] <Kilos> wow
[13:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> expensive yes, but i didn't pay for this laptop, so.... :)
[13:36] <Kilos> takes 25 secs here just to get through bios
[13:37] <Kilos> lovely
[13:37] <Kilos> smile and enjoy it
[13:54] <somaunn> Kilos: i've tried CentOS also but wasn't so impressive
[13:54] <Kilos> yeah
[13:56] <Kilos> ill stay with ubuntu. if unity gets worse ill just use kde, that at least is getting better
[13:56] <somaunn> on the other hand i was charmed by Zentyal 3.3 which brings a lot of good stuff into linux/opensource world
[13:58] <somaunn> http://www.zentyal.org/server/#server-features
[15:32]  * nlsthzn just got home and says:
[15:32] <nlsthzn> "Hello"
[15:32] <theblazehen> hey nlsthzn 
[15:32] <nlsthzn> how are you theblazehen ?
[15:33] <theblazehen> good and you nlsthzn ?
[15:33] <nlsthzn> flu'ish but kicking while the meds are taken :)
[15:34] <theblazehen> ah kk:)
[15:36] <nlsthzn> :)
[15:37] <theblazehen> west europe! finally!
[15:38] <theblazehen> oops...
[15:38] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[15:38] <charl> what about us? :)
[15:38] <nlsthzn> wrong channel|
[15:38] <nlsthzn> ?
[15:38] <nlsthzn> :p
[15:38] <nlsthzn> oh and by the way - http://thepaperwall.com/wallpaper.php?view=2de5fce00671de8d611fdf7f9a58127556e2f9f9
[15:38] <charl> oh, you are skindering about us
[15:39] <charl> "those b@st@rds"
[15:39] <theblazehen> nlsthzn, yeah || charl playing pandemic2, finally spread there :)
[15:39] <charl> and you are happy about it
[15:39] <charl> i don't like the sound of that one bit
[15:39] <theblazehen> lol
[15:40] <theblazehen> I got the whole world!
[15:40] <theblazehen> lol
[15:40] <charl> oh we manage to resist you for the longest
[15:40] <nlsthzn> I can't remember which of those games I had on my phone... loved killing off the human race... not sure why :p
[15:41] <charl> nlsthzn: seek.help.
[15:41] <theblazehen> charl, nope :p you were just 2nd..
[15:41] <theblazehen> nlsthzn, http://pandemic3.com/pandemic3.swf
[15:42] <charl> you are all sick in the mind
[15:42] <nlsthzn> thanks for the link theblazehen ... yet     another            time                        sink                                    *sigh*
[15:42] <nlsthzn> :p
[15:42] <theblazehen> charl, pride myself on it ;) || lol nlsthzn 
[15:43] <nlsthzn> if you can't beat them, join them...
[15:43] <nlsthzn> I make a mean bacteria...
[15:43] <theblazehen> nlsthzn, parasite 4 lyfe!
[15:44] <charl> please remind me to reconsider hanging out here... :)
[15:45] <charl> somebody said you are defined by the company you keep
[15:45] <theblazehen> ChanServ, lol
[15:45] <nlsthzn> charl, stay it is happy hour in a moment
[15:45] <theblazehen> charl*
[17:26] <Kilos> so Gotango how far are you?
[17:26] <Kilos> evening everyone
[17:26] <Kilos> we just had a storm and 8mm rain yay
[17:28] <Gotango> Evening Kilos. Well i reviewed all my files and it got to about 3 GB compressed. I can still reduce that to about 1.5GB i think. I dunno when i will be in town again to get a blank dvd. 
[17:28] <Kilos> whew
[17:28] <Gotango> Thats nice Kilos ,  :)
[17:28] <Gotango> You sure need that rain
[17:29] <Kilos> yeah we smile at any rain up here
[17:29] <Gotango> Then i wish more rain for you up there
[17:31] <Gotango> Well in this lappy HP got a HP_TOOLS drive. When i run ubuntu live cd i can view all the files in that drive. I am thinking if i put my backups in there will i be able to get all my files again from the HP drive after ubuntu installed
[17:33] <Kilos> you can also use gparted to add a 5g partition at the end of the drive
[17:33] <Kilos> then drag drop all files to there 
[17:33] <Kilos> all from the live cd
[17:33] <Gotango> Hmm sounds interesting but dunno how to do that
[17:34] <Kilos> you can name that partition backup or storage or whatever
[17:34] <Kilos> you in it now?
[17:34] <Gotango> I need to do that from windows ofcourse
[17:34] <Kilos> this is the official ubuntu help channel
[17:34] <Gotango> Nope
[17:34] <Kilos> you do everything from the live cd
[17:35] <Gotango> Can i view all the drive C:\ files from live cd ?
[17:35] <Kilos> you should be able to see everything in windows from the cd
[17:35] <Gotango> oh great 
[17:36] <Gotango> But when i try to install ubuntu i wants to remove all the partitions
[17:36] <Gotango> it wants*
[17:37] <Kilos> you leave the last new partition you make and can always save stuff there
[17:37] <Kilos> i have a 40G /storage partition at the end of the drive
[17:38] <Kilos> with ubuntu you decide what you want where
[17:38] <Kilos> just never rush and click things without reading
[17:39] <Gotango> if i make a partition with gparted from the live cd, will ubuntu still see that in the installation process
[17:39] <Gotango> Yeah i always look before crossing the road
[17:39] <Kilos> yes
[17:40] <Gotango> Okay
[17:40] <Kilos> you must just use gparted with care
[17:40] <Kilos> i will need to run it here same time as you to see whatsup
[17:41] <Gotango> I understand thanks
[17:41] <Kilos> np
[17:41] <Gotango> When do you wana do this
[17:41] <Kilos> i cant visualise stuff
[17:42] <Kilos> when it suits you
[17:43] <Gotango> I will read a bit more on google. I see 1 GB swap is enough for 1GB ram , and 20GB for /home partition
[17:43] <Kilos> yes
[17:44] <Gotango> I can still increase the /home size at other times right ?
[17:44] <Kilos> you have 77G
[17:44] <Kilos> freespace
[17:44] <Gotango> Its now 80 GB i deleted some files
[17:44] <Kilos> minus 5 for /storage
[17:44] <Kilos> cool
[17:45] <Kilos> how bid is the drive?
[17:45] <Gotango> But i will lose windows anyway.
[17:45] <Kilos> big
[17:45] <Kilos> why?
[17:45] <Gotango> 160GB i think
[17:46] <Kilos> whew 
[17:46] <Gotango> I dont have a windows cd
[17:46] <Gotango> The ubuntu wont dual boot 
[17:47] <Kilos> then why not make a 10g /storage part at the end save everything you want to there then install only ubuntu
[17:47] <Kilos> it will dual if you want to man
[17:48] <Gotango> It wont. Its gona delete the windows partitions when i install ubuntu
[17:48] <Gotango> So that space will be wasted 
[17:48] <Kilos> once ubuntu is installed in the freespace grub the bootloader will see windows is also there and give you the boot options
[17:49] <Kilos> no space gets wasted man
[17:49] <Kilos> its windows peeps that leave inactive free space that waste space
[17:49] <Gotango> Kilos the windows bootloader partitions will be deleted by ubuntu, it wont see windows on the boot options
[17:49] <Kilos> no
[17:50] <Kilos> grub installs and still leaves the windows boot option there
[17:50] <Kilos> i can boot win7 and ubuntu here
[17:50] <Gotango> But windows wont have partitions assigned to it
[17:51] <Kilos> windows sorts itself
[17:51] <Gotango> You got the dual boot option i dont
[17:51] <Kilos> you installing in the free space doesnt affect how windows runs
[17:51] <Kilos> nope
[17:52] <Kilos> i made a 20 part for windows and installed there then installed ubuntu in partitions on the rest of the drive
[17:52] <Gotango> Okay nevermind. if it breaks it breaks , if it works it works. 
[17:52] <Kilos> whatever windows wanted is still there
[17:52] <Gotango> I'm willing to take the gamble
[17:53] <Kilos> first save your stuff
[17:53] <Kilos> then try gprated to change how much windows can use
[17:53] <Gotango> Thats with gparted right 
[17:53] <Kilos> gparted
[17:54] <Kilos> then use gparted to resize
[17:54] <Gotango> I wana do it without backup to external device
[17:55] <Gotango> You said gparted will create a place for my files on the drive, then i can reach it with ubuntu when it  installed
[17:55] <Kilos> ok then use gparted to make a /storage partition at the end of the drive and drag/drop everything there
[17:55] <Kilos> then no externals or dvds necessary
[17:57] <Gotango> okay i will do that, and for extra help save half my files to the HP_TOOLS drive aswell
[17:57] <Kilos> ok
[17:57] <Kilos> i dont understand what that drive is
[17:59] <Kilos> is it and extra storage place in hp lappies
[17:59] <Gotango> Its like a mini drive HP uses to backup windows type files. Helps with system recovery
[17:59] <Kilos> size?
[17:59] <Gotango> yes
[17:59] <Gotango> 1.8 GB
[17:59] <Kilos> ah
[18:00] <Kilos> can you see whats on there?
[18:01] <Gotango> yeah i can put and view anything there
[18:01] <Kilos> you cant mess in there if windows wants to see stuff there
[18:01] <Gotango> like a memory card
[18:01] <Kilos> ok
[18:03] <Gotango> Did you include gparted in the dvd, i see its 52MB size
[18:03] <Kilos> i cant remember 
[18:04] <Kilos> but gparted you can run from the dvd
[18:05] <Gotango> okay , if gparted is'nt there , i will go the HP_TOOLS way
[18:05] <charl> hi
[18:06] <charl> oh wait a minute
[18:06] <charl> when you said free space
[18:06] <charl> i was meaning unpartitioned space
[18:06] <charl> not free space on a partition :)
[18:07] <charl> i only realise now that was ambigious
[18:07] <charl> i was like why do you even need to repartition then
[18:07] <Kilos> gparterd isnt on the dvd?
[18:07] <charl> afaik it isn't, you get a separate iso that only has gparted on it
[18:08] <charl> or you need to install it inside the live environment
[18:08] <Kilos> no man ubuntu cds have gparted on
[18:09] <charl> oh maybe the new ones do in fact
[18:09] <charl> it's been a while sorry :)
[18:09] <charl> i usually just go for a clean instal
[18:09] <Kilos> thats the partition tool that does you install partitioning
[18:09] <charl> during the installer? ah i see
[18:10] <charl> problem is i usually just do a clean install and let ubuntu do all the worrying so i don't know these things anymore :P
[18:10] <Kilos> lol
[18:11] <Kilos> well if he can save his stuff and do a clean install im sure ubuntu will have everything he needs
[18:12] <charl> for a guy like him probably yes
[18:12] <charl> assuming it's a guy, i never asked, could be a girl for all that i know
[18:12] <Kilos> aqnd as a last resort run some windows thing in wine
[18:12] <charl> nah wine is for drunks :P
[18:13] <Kilos> but what do you use gothats isnt available in ubuntu
[18:13] <Kilos> oh my he be gone
[18:13] <Kilos> most likely booting from dvd
[18:14] <charl> i still need to use microsoft office
[18:14] <charl> and one other tool called beyond compare
[18:14] <Kilos> if the remastersys dvd wants to make partitions then gparted must be there
[18:14] <charl> that's it
[18:22] <Kilos> what does ms office do that libreoffice cant
[18:24] <Kilos> never been an office user so i dunno
[18:25] <Kilos> wb Gotango1 
[18:26] <Gotango1> Thanks Kilos
[18:26] <Gotango1> How do i check if gparted is installed
[18:31] <Kilos> tick top left launcher
[18:31] <Kilos> type in gparted
[18:32] <Gotango1> Okay
[18:32] <Kilos> that white circle with the black ring in it
[18:32] <Kilos> does it show below?
[18:34] <Gotango1> I dont see a white circle with a black ring below, but gparted is open now
[18:34] <Kilos> what do you see there at the top
[18:34] <Kilos> anyway
[18:35] <Kilos> tick on partition
[18:35] <Gotango1> It gives a list of partitions on the disk
[18:35] <Gotango1> okay
[18:35] <Kilos> first what does it show
[18:35] <Kilos> how many partitions
[18:36] <Gotango1> It shows the main drive plus HP_TOOLS Plus SYSTEM Plus another HP_RECOVERY drive. 4 partitions
[18:36] <Kilos> if you tick on one of the partitions then tick partition then resize you can drag the edge to what sixe you want
[18:37] <Gotango1> Should i choose the biggest drive ?
[18:37] <Kilos> the large main part with the free space is the one you want to resize
[18:37] <Gotango1> ok
[18:40] <Gotango1> I cant find where to edit the resize 
[18:40] <Kilos> wait a bit lemme see
[18:40] <Gotango1> okay
[18:40] <Kilos> i think you drag the edge of it in the top bar
[18:41] <Kilos> yes hover mouse to end of the partition and it will show 2 arrows looking either way
[18:42] <Kilos> you drag it till you get the size you want
[18:42] <Kilos> the freespace is in that large one hey?
[18:43] <Gotango1> The mouse cant find any place that shows a hover with two arrows on the green border lines of the main drive
[18:44] <Gotango1> yes free space is there
[18:44] <Kilos> at the right of it hey?
[18:44] <Kilos> hover mouse in the top bar of the popup window
[18:45] <Gotango1> Yes the main drive selected , it dont show anything when i hover 
[18:45] <Kilos> wow
[18:46] <Gotango1> Nothing
[18:46] <Kilos> does that top bar have an arrow at each end?
[18:46] <Gotango1> Nope no arrow
[18:46] <Kilos> eish
[18:47] <Gotango1> Is it cause its ntfs that ubuntu cant resize it
[18:47] <Kilos> ok close the popup
[18:47] <Kilos> then tick once in the large partition so it lights up
[18:48] <Kilos> where it says /dev/sda or whatever
[18:49] <Gotango1> The arrow only lights up for the HP drives , not the main drive
[18:49] <Kilos> mine shows the black arrow at each end of whatever partition i tick on and then partition resize
[18:49] <Gotango1> Its disabled when i choose the main drive where the free space is on
[18:50] <Gotango1> Not on mine
[18:50] <Kilos> lemme just boot other pc from a cd
[18:50] <Gotango1> Okay
[18:54] <Kilos> why you got a 1 after nick
[18:54] <Kilos> was it always there
[18:55] <Gotango1> Gotango is a registered nick, so didnt wana type in the password here 
[18:55] <Kilos> you dont have to man
[18:55] <Kilos> oh well sort that when you got ubuntu installed
[18:56] <Gotango1> Okay, Can i disable these glowing effects in ubuntu 2D 
[18:56] <Kilos> mine show the arrows even when booting from cd
[18:57] <Kilos> wait with that
[18:57] <Kilos> you can enter the new size you want in text too
[18:57] <Gotango1> Okay. But mine dont show an active arrow
[18:57] <Kilos> so take off80g
[18:58] <Gotango1> It dont wana resize that drive
[18:58] <Kilos> that is make it 80g less
[18:58] <Gotango1> What do you mean
[18:59] <Kilos> that should then leave the freespace as a partition
[18:59] <Gotango1> I cant delete any more stuff
[18:59] <Kilos> what you see there as size of large partition
[18:59] <Kilos> you said you have 80g freespace
[19:00] <Gotango1> yes 
[19:00] <Kilos> so make the large partition 80g less than what it is
[19:00] <Kilos> what size does it give
[19:01] <Gotango1> 131.75 GIB
[19:01] <Kilos> so 131.75 minus 80
[19:01] <Kilos> Maaz, 131.75-80
[19:01] <Maaz> Kilos: 51.75
[19:02] <Kilos> thats the size you type in there
[19:02] <Gotango1> It does not show me a place to do the resize
[19:02] <Kilos> then you should have 80g unused
[19:02] <Gotango1> Only the small HP drives works
[19:03] <Gotango1> yes 81.32 GIB unused
[19:03] <Kilos> cant you delete the 131.75 and type in 51.75
[19:04] <Gotango1> When i right click on that drive the delete option and all the others are disabled
[19:04] <Kilos> why right click
[19:05] <Gotango1> There is a key icon on that drive
[19:05] <Kilos> whew
[19:05] <Gotango1> So i guess its locked
[19:05] <Kilos> look again for the drag resixe function
[19:05] <Kilos> resize
[19:07] <Kilos> i wonder if thats a hp thing or win7
[19:07] <Kilos> i can resize all partitions
[19:07] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[19:07] <Gotango1> Nothing.  Only Unmount , Manage flags , and Information menu items are enabled
[19:07] <Gotango1> maybe windows locked the drive
[19:08] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[19:08] <psychicist> hi Gotango1 
[19:08] <Kilos> ubuntu should over ride everything
[19:08] <Gotango1> hi psychicist
[19:09] <Kilos> like im using an old ubuntu cd to do gparted on win7 and ubuntu
[19:09] <Gotango1> It does'nt , still a lock icon on the drive
[19:09] <Kilos> oh wait
[19:09] <Kilos> close gparted
[19:09] <Gotango1> okay
[19:10] <Kilos> open terminal
[19:10] <Kilos> ctrl+alt+t
[19:10] <Gotango1> open
[19:10] <Kilos> sudo gparted
[19:10] <charl> hi psychicist 
[19:10] <Gotango1> What will that do
[19:10] <psychicist> hi charl 
[19:11] <Kilos> give you root powers in gparted
[19:11] <Gotango1> okay
[19:12] <Gotango1> Nope , still the lock icon , all options disabled
[19:12] <Kilos> if that dont work you need help from one of the clever guys
[19:12] <Kilos> eish
[19:13] <Gotango1> Its ok i will use the HP_TOOLS drive
[19:13] <Kilos> thats too small
[19:13] <Kilos> oh and dvd
[19:13] <Gotango1> Dont wana break the main drive to save a few files
[19:14] <Gotango1> I can remove more stuff, and compress it to 1.5GB
[19:15] <Kilos> ok save them then we go try the install partitioning tools
[19:15] <Gotango1> I'm sure the ubutnu install wont touch the HP_TOOLS drive
[19:15] <Kilos> do you have office installed
[19:15] <Gotango1> Which office
[19:16] <Kilos> iif its like a spare drive there and shows in gparted you decide what happens
[19:16] <Kilos> msoffice
[19:16] <Kilos> thats large
[19:16] <Gotango1> Nope i dont have MSOffice
[19:16] <Kilos> aw
[19:16] <Kilos> i was hoping for more space
[19:16] <Kilos> hehe
[19:17] <Gotango1> lol why is that an issue
[19:17] <Kilos> we can go through the install partitioning once you saved the stuff you want
[19:17] <Kilos> i used to squeeze windows tiny
[19:18] <Kilos> but honestly i would now save what i want then let ubuntu use the whole drive on install then you dont have to do any partitioning
[19:18] <Gotango1> Wait the HP_TOOLS shows in /dev/sda4 partition. Ubuntu will delete that partition
[19:19] <Kilos> then with a running ubuntu we just need to get you all the tools you need to work with
[19:19] <Kilos> oh ya
[19:19] <Kilos> get dvds
[19:20] <Gotango1> eish
[19:20] <Kilos> if you compress to 3g 1 dvd is fine
[19:20] <Kilos> they take just under 4
[19:20] <Kilos> what eish
[19:20] <Kilos> lol
[19:21] <Kilos> id you want windows well go with the partitioning in the install setup man
[19:21] <Kilos> if
[19:22] <Gotango1> Still i need a dvd to save my stuff on 
[19:22] <Kilos> tomorrow is fine
[19:23] <Kilos> past my bedtime already too
[19:23] <Gotango1> okay cool. 
[19:23] <Kilos> and you need to rest from all the stress
[19:23] <Kilos> hehe
[19:23] <Gotango1> Lol true :)
[19:23] <Gotango1> Sleep well 
[19:23] <Kilos> you too
[19:24] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:24] <charl> night Kilos 
[19:25] <Kilos> night charl
[19:25] <Kilos> tomorrow is another day
[23:12] <theblazehen> night guys