[00:48] <delt> here's a good one: how do i remap the windowz-logo key to alt_L? xmodmap seems to "half work" for this task.....
[00:48] <delt> i mean, it works with, say, the Z key... why not with the winlogo key?
[00:49] <delt> ie. xev reports it as alt, but winlogo+f4 for example, doesn't close current window
[00:50] <delt> this windowz button is exactly where the alt button SHOULD be on this keyboard....
[00:51] <delt> except i'd hate to whip out the old soldering iron :3 :D
[00:52] <delt> alexançais :D
[01:00] <fibz_> delt, you can also try the main #ubuntu channel
[01:00] <delt> yep, check
[01:00]  * delt omnipresent 
[01:00] <delt> :D :D
[01:00] <delt> jk
[01:02] <delt> fibz_: you also run both xubu and ubustudio?
[01:02] <delt> hehe
[01:02] <fibz_> i use xubuntu on embedded systems
[01:03] <delt> what kind of?
[01:03] <fibz_> fleet tracking and retail systems
[01:04] <delt> havent done futzing around with embedded systems in like, 15 years
[01:39] <MaynardW1ters> hey holstein
[01:39] <MaynardW1ters> tried running 12.04.3 on a live 2G usb stick
[01:39] <MaynardW1ters> no luck :(
[01:40] <fibz_> youd need to run xubuntu live then install studio once install is done if you have nothing larger than 2GB
[01:40] <MaynardW1ters> fibz_: i know this is a ustudio channel, but i was trying vinilla
[01:41] <MaynardW1ters> im on an eeepc and it gives me a udev error
[01:41] <fibz_> how did you get it to fit on a 2GB USB?
[01:42] <MaynardW1ters> when i downloaded it it was only a cd size
[01:42] <fibz_> where did you get that?
[01:42] <MaynardW1ters> udevd timeout killing /sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdd
[01:42] <MaynardW1ters> :(
[01:43] <MaynardW1ters> http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[01:43] <fibz_> is sdd the USB device?
[01:44] <MaynardW1ters> its hard for me to tell without a term
[01:45] <MaynardW1ters> that appears to be what it wants to be the usb device to be
[01:45] <MaynardW1ters> now udevd time out killing
[01:45] <MaynardW1ters> '/sbin/blkid -o udev -p /dev/sdd1'
[01:46] <MaynardW1ters> [441]
[03:18] <delt> could someone recommend a good skype client?
[03:21] <HarryHaaren> Skype itself? They don't have an open protocol: its your only choice
[03:22] <HarryHaaren> if you don't need to call Skype people, there's Akiga and a host of others, google "linux VOIP software" and you'll find lists
[09:40] <bbba> Hi everyone! Where can I can some info on how to dual boot my laptop? I have ubuntustudio installed and would like also to have elementary os installed to it.
[10:37] <xequence> bbba: If both uses Grub, you only need to install Elementary on its own partition
[10:38] <bbba> can i do it by running elementary in virtual box and just install?
[10:38] <xequence> bbba: No. You need an installer
[10:39] <bbba> where can i get it?
[10:39] <xequence> bbba: Check out one of the usb install creators, such as unetbootin
[10:39] <xequence> an installer is the ISO file
[10:40] <xequence> Check out elementary documentation, forums or channels for details about how to install it
[10:40] <bbba> ok thanks :)
[10:40] <xequence> It might be worth not installing the elementary boot loader onto the MBR
[10:41] <xequence> After installing elementary, you need to update the boot loader in Ubuntu Studio, with the command: sudo update-grub
[13:30] <Guest90836> run
[13:30] <Guest90836> Ralf
[13:30] <Guest90836> exit
[18:44] <bbba> Hello everyone. I have a laptop with ubuntustudio installed. I'd like to dual boot the laptop with elementary. How can this be done? any help? thanks
[18:45] <holstein> bbba: same as with any OS.. make room and install them both
[18:45] <zequence> bbba: I believe you were in here before asking about that
[18:45] <bbba> yes but i ran into some doubts and nobody gave me any tips at elementary
[18:46] <holstein> bbba: sometimes, i set up something manual where they share swap, or /home partitions.. but, you can literally install one, and just select "make room for both" (or something similar) from the installer
[18:46] <holstein> bbba: there are no tips
[18:46] <holstein> bbba: you make room, and install
[18:46] <bbba> so i should make room with gparted and them reboot the laptop with a live cd?
[18:46] <zequence> bbba: If there's something specific you are wondering about, please ask. Mostly, all your questions were already answered
[18:46] <holstein> bbba: you wont find "how to dual boot ubuntustudio and elemateryOS" walk throughs
[18:47] <holstein> bbba: i like using gparted.. i like to make room (after having all my data backed up on the drive in question, and being prepared for failure) and just do an installation
[18:47] <holstein> bbba: you might be worried about what might happen if you break the current installation.. just plan for that, and nothing bad will happen
[18:47] <holstein> bbba: keep in mind *all* hard drives fail, and plan for that ultimate failure, and you can move forward knowing that you can fix any problems you create
[18:48] <bbba> so to recap. I can backup important files to an external hard drive for example. then burn an image os elementary to a cd and reboot. then just follow the instalation?
[18:48] <holstein> bbba: there are *many* ways to do what you are trying to do
[18:49] <bbba> Is the way i wrote above valid?
[18:49] <zequence> bbba: Make sure you have a partition to install on. You can share swap between the two OSs
[18:49] <holstein> bbba: if anyone is afraid of installing, or reinstalling, i say, they are doing it wrong.. planning for failure is a good step, since it is a fact that *all* hard drives fail
[18:50] <bbba> so first i create a partition with gparted
[18:50] <bbba> then i do what i wrote above
[18:50] <bbba> correct?
[18:50] <holstein> bbba: first, you do what you want to prepare the scnario you want to use
[18:50] <holstein> bbba: what do i do ? make space and let the installer use it
[18:50] <holstein> bbba: you can do anything you like, from sharing swap, to user /home's or.. none of that
[18:51] <bbba> I'd like to use ubuntustudio just to work on music and elementary for general use
[18:51] <holstein> bbba: sure.. and there are many ways to do that
[18:51] <bbba> It would be good to share files between the two distro too
[18:51] <holstein> bbba: what would i suggest to you? just make room by resizing, and let the installers do the stock thing as much as possible[C
[18:51] <bbba> Can you tell me the easiest way/safest if there's any
[18:52] <holstein> bbba: nothing about either OS is preventing you from sharing anything
[18:52] <holstein> bbba: safest, is, as i said, to plan for total failure.. and have backups
[18:52] <holstein> bbba: fastest will be what you konw how to use
[18:52] <holstein> bbba: what i have suggested is.. backup. resize to make room. do normal install onto free space
[18:53] <holstein> bbba: all of those steps have potential errors that can break things
[18:53] <bbba> just let me check again then: i make a partition with gparted. Burn a image of elementary to a cd. reboot and install
[18:53] <bbba> before all that backups
[18:53] <holstein> bbba: i let the installer make partitions.. but, you can do literally wahtever you want
[18:54] <zequence> bbba: Here's a good guide on installing. http://www.techspot.com/community/topics/step-by-step-beginners-guide-to-installing-ubuntu-11-10.172128/
[18:54] <holstein> bbba: you can set up, as i said, to share as much as you want
[18:54] <zequence> bbba: Just read through it, experiment, and you'll learn all about it
[18:54] <holstein> bbba: swap partition can be shared.. /home could be..
[18:54] <zequence> bbba: Do you know what a boot loader is?
[18:54] <bbba> humm when you said let the installer make the partition you mean just boot the live cd and install?
[18:54] <holstein> bbba: i mean, just that, friend
[18:54] <holstein> bbba: run the installer, and use it
[18:54] <holstein> bbba: it'll have prompts, you select the one that fits your needs
[18:55] <bbba> I don't really know yet what a boot loader is lol but I'm guessing is grub?
[18:55] <holstein> bbba: "install alongside ubuntustudio" for example
[18:55] <holstein> bbba: thats another thing you can break in this process
[18:55] <bbba> oh ok "install alongside ubuntustudio"
[18:55] <zequence> bbba: Yes, but it's important to know what GRUB is and does, when you install several OSs
[18:55] <bbba> ubuntustudio uses GRUB right?
[18:56] <bbba> sorry still a bit of a noob
[18:56] <holstein> bbba: it can, and does by default
[18:56] <zequence> bbba: In the beginning of the hard drive, there's something called MBR (master boot record). Only one boot loader can be installed at one time. All OSs want to install theirs
[18:56] <zequence> bbba: The boot loader is installed in the MBR by default
[18:56] <zequence> bbba: There are really only two things you need to know. HOw to partition, and where to install the boot loader
[18:57] <bbba> I't be better for me just to make some backups and reboot with the live cd and follow instalation
[18:57] <holstein> and, elementary should be able to pickup both the new elementary OS and the ubuntustudio install
[18:57] <zequence> bbba: If you don't know how to partition, you might just end up replacing Ubuntu Studio with elementary
[18:57] <zequence> bbba: The link I gave you explains partitioning
[18:57] <bbba> Yes that's what i feared
[18:58] <holstein> sure.. and dont be "feared".. be prepared.. practice in virtualbox if you want and have the resources
[18:58] <holstein> or, on another machine, or hard drive
[18:58] <bbba> so you don't know if the option "install alongside ubuntustudio" will apear
[18:58] <zequence> bbba: Just read through that bit. Remember, all Linux based OSs can share one swap partition, but they all need their own root partition, the one labeled "/"
[18:59] <holstein> bbba: i dont use elemetary, so i could say, but i would just fire up the installer and read it.. it'll have it or not
[18:59] <bbba> ok I'll have a look at the link now
[18:59] <holstein> knowing how to manually partition is a good way to konw for sure
[18:59] <zequence> You'll need at least three partitions. One swap, which is shared between both OSs. And for each OS, a partition for the Ext4 filesystem mounted as "/"
[18:59] <bbba> ok great I'll have a look
[19:01] <zequence> bbba: Some installers won't let you decide where to install the boot loader. IN the UBuntu Studio installer you can do that when you select to partition manually, and there, in a dropdown menu, you can decide where the boot loader is installed
[19:02] <zequence> bbba: I would let only one OS have the boot loader installed in /dev/sda, which is the same as the MBR of the first hard drive. The other boot loader can be installed in something like /dev/sda5, or wherever the second OS is installed
[19:02] <zequence> /dev/sda means the whole disk. /dev/sda1 means the first partition of the disk
[19:03] <bbba>  i can create a partition called /dev/sda2 and /dev/sda3
[19:06] <bbba> when opening gparted i have: /dev/sda1 - File System ext4, /dev/sda2 - File System extended and a /dev/sda5 File system linux swap
[19:06] <holstein> bbba: what you have will be particular to your setup
[19:06] <holstein> bbba: what you want will be too...
[19:07] <holstein> bbba: what you need to do is decide what you want, and make it happen. resize the current partition to give you space. use the GUI installer to automatically install on the free space, or manually partition
[19:08] <bbba> what GUI? the gparted one?
[19:08] <holstein> bbba: the GUI i referred to above was the installer
[19:09] <holstein> bbba: that would be, in the sequence referenced above, after i has resized
[19:10] <zequence> bbba: There are two types of partitions. Primary and extended. There can only be four primary partitions.
[19:10] <zequence> bbba: Primary partitions can only be /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda2
[19:10] <zequence> bbba: Primary partitions can only be /dev/sda1 to /dev/sda4
[19:10] <zequence> misspell
[19:11] <bbba> how much space should i create? I only have 20gb free space
[19:11] <zequence> An extended partition is like a partition inside a primary partition.
[19:11] <holstein> bbba: there is not *should*
[19:12] <holstein> bbba: if you have 20, you'll use 20
[19:12] <holstein> bbba: you "should" do as much as you need
[19:12] <zequence> 20GB is not much for user files, but it's enough for a standard install
[19:14] <bbba> hum i guess I'll have to read some more an then come back here eventually
[19:14] <bbba> may be better not to rush into the instalation not being so sure how to do it
[19:16] <holstein> bbba: or, just backup, and be prepared to break things
[19:16] <holstein> bbba: or, do it in virtualization
[19:16] <bbba> I've already tried elementary in VM
[19:16] <holstein> bbba: then, load it up again, and install it again beside it.. dual boot the vm
[19:16] <holstein> bbba: you can save a snapshot
[19:16] <bbba> just another question. can I create a partition and install elementary via VM?
[19:17] <holstein> bbba: the same
[19:17] <holstein> bbba: a VM is just that.. "virtual machine".. so, you do the *exact* same thing
[19:17] <holstein> thats why its a nice test for the real thing..
[19:18] <holstein> bbba: you can tell the VM to boot a gparted or parted magic live CD.. resize the virtual drive, and run the installer and partition the virtual drive for installation of the second elementaryOS
[19:18] <bbba> you mean it can be done with VM
[19:19] <holstein> bbba: thats what im saying
[19:19] <bbba> or in another way. I use ubuntustudio with xfce i guess but i can also log into gnome 3 if i please
[19:19] <zequence> YOu cant install the OS onto the harddrive from the VM
[19:19] <holstein> bbba: save a snapshot.. setup dual boot in VM.. test.. revert to snapshot.. test again
[19:19] <zequence> YOu can only create a virtual hard disk, which is a file when using the VM
[19:19] <holstein> right.. you will only test the proceedure there
[19:20] <holstein> knowing that you can revert to the snapshot, and not break anything on the real setup
[19:20] <zequence> The procedure of installing is otherwise the same, except, there's no real harddrive. IT's a file
[19:20] <zequence> A good way to experiment though, using a VM
[19:20] <zequence> To learn how to partition, and such
[19:20] <zequence> Check out all the details, and google them
[19:20] <holstein> yup.. without worrying about breaking anything
[19:21] <bbba> at log in I can choose to log into ubuntustudio xfce enviroment or gnome 3. could i log onto the elementary graphical enviroment?
[19:21] <holstein> bbba: not like that
[19:21] <holstein> bbba: you are installing elemataryOS.. AFAIK, it uses pantheon
[19:21] <bbba> Hum if i could do something like that i wouldnt need to dual boot
[19:21] <holstein> bbba: you are confusing os's with desktop environments
[19:21] <bbba> okok
[19:22] <holstein> you can read about, and confirm that it is still pantheon, and add pantheon to ubuntustudio
[19:22] <holstein> i did that via ppa in 12.04
[19:22] <bbba> i think i read it somewhere and its still pantheon
[19:22] <bbba> how can i add pantheon?
[19:23] <holstein> bbba: i dont "read somewhere".. i fire up a live CD, and look.. and confirm.. then, i look for the packages i want and add them
[19:23] <holstein> bbba: i just stated, i used a PPA to add it to 12.04 to test
[19:23] <holstein> bbba: do you need information on what a PPA is?
[19:23] <holstein> !ppa | bbba
[19:23] <bbba> ok now i know
[19:24] <bbba> I guess i have a bit more to read and look at before installing...
[19:24] <holstein> http://linuxg.net/how-to-install-pantheon-desktop-environment-on-ubuntu-13-04-12-10-12-04-and-linux-mint-15-14-13/ is how i did
[19:24] <holstein> bbba: OR, just do it in VM
[19:24] <bbba> sorry about all this question. If i add pantheon then what?
[19:25] <holstein> bbba: then, use it
[19:25] <holstein> bbba: you will have what you asked about above, that i answered with this about
[19:25] <bbba> It will appear at login?
[19:25] <holstein> bbba: "i want to login to xfce, gnome and/or elementaryOS look (pantheon)"
[19:25] <holstein> bbba: so, thats how to add pantheon
[19:25] <holstein> then, you choose it at login instead of gnome or xfce
[19:26] <bbba> ok so after login i can choose what desktop enviroment to use correct?
[19:26] <holstein> bbba: ?
[19:26] <bbba> let's say I turn on the laptop
[19:26] <holstein> bbba: yes.. after installing that destkop environment, you'll be able to choose it.. after having installed it
[19:26] <holstein> bbba: yes
[19:26] <holstein> bbba: you hit the power button, and it comes on
[19:27] <bbba> at login I can choose whether to login to ubuntustudio or gnome 3
[19:27] <holstein> bbba: the login screen loads.. loading options that are setup to load, such as the default ones.. and the ones i just oultined how to add that you asked how to add
[19:27] <holstein> bbba: you can choose from *whatever* you have configured to be availabe
[19:27] <holstein> bbba: most of the time, that is just by installing them, as outlined above
[19:28] <holstein> bbba: but, you are again confusing the os with the de
[19:28] <bbba> before adding elementary ppa at login i will be able to choose between ubuntustudio, gnome 3 and phantem
[19:28] <bbba> pantheon*
[19:28] <holstein> bbba: *pantheon
[19:28] <holstein> bbba: and, yes
[19:28] <bbba> oh ok
[19:28] <holstein> but, ubuntustudio is xfce
[19:28] <bbba> great
[19:28] <bbba> yes yes
[19:28] <holstein> bbba: the OS is ubuntustudio
[19:28] <bbba> correct
[19:28] <holstein> bbba: you dont choose between an os and a DE at login
[19:28] <bbba> I think i'll go for that
[19:28] <holstein> bbba: you are running ubuntustudio with *is* ubuntu
[19:29] <bbba> i like the elementary desktop enviroment. I'd be happy just to use it
[19:29] <holstein> bbba: you'll choose at login if you want the ubuntustuduio session, which is XFCE, or *whatever* else you have installed or configured to use
[19:29] <bbba> not all the distro
[19:29] <holstein> bbba: then, try the PPA for the enviroment in ubuntu
[19:30] <bbba> the thing is currently i log into xfce to work and to gnome 3 for leisure
[19:30] <holstein> bbba: its all ubuntu
[19:30] <holstein> bbba: the DE is your choice..
[19:30] <bbba> I'd like it better to log to xfce to work and a desktop like elementary to leisure
[19:30] <holstein> "better" is a matter of opinion, and again, your choice
[19:30] <bbba> if that can be done there's no need to install the distro itself
[19:31] <bbba> ok thanks alot man
[19:31] <holstein> bbba: there is nothing about ubuntu or ubuntustudio preventing pantheon from runing on it
[19:31] <bbba> you've been very patient
[19:31] <holstein> bbba: they have a PPA.. you can try it and see.. it worked for me easily
[19:31] <holstein> bbba: and, it required no setup
[19:31] <bbba> I'll have a try right now
[19:31] <bbba> I think that was how i installed gnome 3 DE
[19:32] <holstein> gnome is in the repos
[19:32] <holstein> you woudnt have needed to add a PPA for it
[19:36] <zequence> To install gnome, you do: sudo apt-get install gnome
[19:37] <zequence> Then, in the login window, you choose another session, typically "gnome"
[20:36] <delt> BUG: xfce4-terminal segfaults when trying to show the Terminal -> Set encoding menu
[23:22] <kerberos> hola