| bluesabre | knome: pongalong? | 00:34 |
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| Unit193 | ## | 07:20 |
| Unit193 | ## Xubuntu Team Meeting - Today, 9th @ 19:00 UTC - #xubuntu-devel | 07:20 |
| Unit193 | ## | 07:20 |
| Noskcaj | Unit193, I will wake up to that | 07:22 |
| elfy | morning Unit193 Noskcaj | 07:32 |
| Noskcaj | hey elfy | 07:32 |
| Unit193 | elfy: Howdy. | 07:32 |
| lderan | elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6719815/ reporting in | 09:46 |
| slickymaster | morning all | 09:47 |
| lderan | morning slickymaster | 09:50 |
| slickymaster | hi lderan | 09:52 |
| knome | morning lderan, slickymaster | 10:19 |
| lderan | morning knome :) | 10:20 |
| knome | 97% translated | 10:20 |
| slickymaster | knome: he he you're already seeing the light :) | 10:20 |
| knome | yeah, i only have some of the apt-offline stuff to translate | 10:21 |
| slickymaster | but those are the bigger and complicated strings to translate knome | 10:22 |
| knome | sure... but otoh, they don't have too many gui strings to translate, so easier | 10:22 |
| slickymaster | yeah, you're right | 10:23 |
| knome | i think i even got my wife semi-interested in proofreading the translation | 10:25 |
| knome | ...so expect a big commit with fixes :P | 10:26 |
| slickymaster | LOL | 10:27 |
| ochosi | ali1234: may i bother you with a quick gtk question? | 10:34 |
| ali1234 | okay :) | 10:34 |
| ochosi | thanks :) | 10:35 |
| ochosi | so, my question is, is there a standard call/function for redrawing a window plus all its content? | 10:35 |
| ochosi | so far i've only found gtk_widget_queue_draw | 10:35 |
| ochosi | but that only has effect on single widgets | 10:36 |
| ali1234 | no idea | 10:36 |
| ochosi | and i need everything in that window to be redrawn | 10:36 |
| ali1234 | call it on the window? | 10:36 |
| ali1234 | a window is a widget | 10:36 |
| ochosi | tried, doesn't work | 10:36 |
| ochosi | at least the draw-callback doesn't seem to be triggered, which is what i need | 10:36 |
| ochosi | i considered calling the draw-callback manually, but that seems a bit hackish | 10:37 |
| ochosi | (also i'm not sure it'd really work) | 10:37 |
| knome | hmm, i thought launchpad would have handled fuzzy translations better | 10:49 |
| knome | looks like it just dismisses them | 10:49 |
| knome | well done... | 10:49 |
| ochosi | ali1234: figured it out, gtk_widget_queue_draw does what i want (if you call it from the right place ;)) | 10:52 |
| lderan | ochosi: woo \o/ | 10:57 |
| ochosi | lderan: woo? :) | 10:57 |
| ochosi | what part of me are you woo-ing exactly? | 10:57 |
| lderan | for figuring it out | 10:57 |
| ochosi | ah, thanks :) | 10:57 |
| ochosi | well, fake transparency is ready now i think | 10:58 |
| ochosi | knome: major drawback of not having gnome-icon-theme around: no highcontrast icon theme... :/ | 10:58 |
| ochosi | so i think we need to keep it for accessibility reasons | 10:58 |
| slickymaster | knome: what do you mean by fuzzy translations? | 11:01 |
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| knome | ochosi, can't we just add the hicolor theme? | 11:04 |
| ochosi | it's part of the gnome-icon-theme package afaik | 11:04 |
| knome | slickymaster, in poedit (and pretty much any editor), you can mark translations as "fuzzy" | 11:04 |
| knome | slickymaster, this can also happen automatically when strings change just slightly; the .po-file-updater marks the translation "fuzzy" because it's not sure if it's accurate any more | 11:05 |
| knome | ochosi, bah, well that should definitely be split | 11:05 |
| ochosi | knome: to be frank, the only benefit i see now of getting rid of gnome-icon-theme is a cleaner emblems list in thunar... | 11:06 |
| ochosi | (the few MB it adds don't really count) | 11:06 |
| knome | well that's a good benefit :P | 11:06 |
| slickymaster | knome: got it, thanks | 11:06 |
| ochosi | and having working icons for all gnome3 apps without having to wonder is also kidan nice-ish | 11:07 |
| ochosi | s/kidan/kinda/ | 11:07 |
| knome | ochosi, bolloks :) | 11:07 |
| knome | +c | 11:07 |
| knome | my C-key isn't working | 11:07 |
| ochosi | anyway, i just think we have bigger fish to fry in 14.04 and i'd prefer to focus on those | 11:07 |
| knome | agreed, but only barely :P | 11:08 |
| ochosi | so i'm re-prioritizing this issue, is all i'm saying | 11:08 |
| ochosi | (to the bottom of my list) | 11:08 |
| knome | y | 11:08 |
| elfy | lderan: thanks :) | 11:28 |
| knome | slickymaster, 100% | 11:48 |
| slickymaster | \o/ congrats | 11:49 |
| knome | ta ta | 11:49 |
| slickymaster | now there's no singular in docs translations | 11:49 |
| knome | hm? | 11:50 |
| knome | now that i've finished the translation... | 11:51 |
| knome | i probably should proofread the original text | 11:51 |
| elfy | :) | 11:51 |
| knome | to prepare more work to be done for me and slickymaster | 11:51 |
| lderan | :P | 11:51 |
| slickymaster | :) we have to convince GridCube to translate it into Spanish | 11:52 |
| slickymaster | now that he is on holidays | 11:52 |
| knome | heh | 11:56 |
| elfy | goddamn launchpad - fill a bug report in - it timesout - must be the new plan to not have to bother with bugs :| | 11:58 |
| knome | lol | 11:58 |
| elfy | marking it a security vulnerability so someone looks at it ... | 12:00 |
| knome | :P | 12:01 |
| knome | don't, if it isn't | 12:01 |
| elfy | I'm joking :) | 12:01 |
| knome | just tell me what the bug is and i'll rather poke people with it | 12:01 |
| knome | ;P | 12:01 |
| elfy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442 | 12:01 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1267442 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "Install nvidia-331 on Xubuntu results in unbootable machine" [Undecided,New] | 12:01 |
| knome | heh | 12:01 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: ping | 12:36 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: pong | 12:36 |
| slickymaster | ochosi: the test you spoke about yesterday, you wanted to be made | 12:36 |
| ochosi | slickymaster: yeah, you can skip that one for now... | 12:37 |
| ochosi | i had to realize earlier that we lose the hicontrast icon-theme when dropping gnome-icon-theme | 12:37 |
| ochosi | so things are getting more complicated | 12:37 |
| ochosi | and i don't have time to spend on an issue like that | 12:37 |
| slickymaster | okie dokie, but if you'll need them later, just ping me | 12:38 |
| ochosi | sorry if you already started testing :/ | 12:38 |
| slickymaster | i was going to do it anyhow, np | 12:38 |
| ochosi | testing the icons from PPA is useful anyway though | 12:38 |
| ochosi | if you notice missing icons or ones that look off, let me know | 12:39 |
| slickymaster | with elementary-xfce, right? | 12:39 |
| ochosi | yup, elementary-xfce-darker to be exact | 12:39 |
| slickymaster | will do | 12:39 |
| knome | Unit193, humpf, we should look at using the translator-credits string in the docs | 12:48 |
| knome | Unit193, or alternatively, some other method to credit translators | 12:54 |
| knome | heh, it looks like the karma system is definitely borked | 12:58 |
| knome | Top contributors | 12:58 |
| knome | David Pires 840 points / Pasi Lallinaho 275 points | 12:58 |
| knome | you're not getting karma if you translate .po's with external editors :) | 12:58 |
| ochosi | that karma stat seems about right to me :D | 12:59 |
| slickymaster | LOL | 13:00 |
| knome | in what sense? | 13:00 |
| knome | we've both translated 100% of a language, and i've handled the branch in addition | 13:00 |
| knome | i'm not saying i need more karma, or that it matters | 13:00 |
| knome | i'm just saying the system is borked | 13:00 |
| slickymaster | did you download the pot file, translate it and then uploaded it knome? | 13:00 |
| knome | slickymaster, pretty much yeah. | 13:00 |
| knome | i have 41 karma in rosetta translations, you have 805 | 13:01 |
| slickymaster | that's why | 13:01 |
| knome | so i'm lacking like 750, so my karma should be >1000 for the project | 13:01 |
| knome | yes, i know it's because of that | 13:01 |
| knome | but the system is borked | 13:01 |
| knome | if you get 1 karma for translating 1 string in rosetta, uploading .po file with 100 translated stings should give you 100 karma | 13:02 |
| knome | "should" | 13:02 |
| knome | i mean, yeah, that's overkill | 13:02 |
| knome | and would be stupid because one can't track if it was really you who translated the strings | 13:03 |
| slickymaster | yeah, I do agree with you, it's not fair | 13:03 |
| knome | but... the karma system is broken :) | 13:03 |
| elfy | never mind - those with false karma will return as ants :p | 13:07 |
| knome | :P | 13:07 |
| knome | bah, i should go hunt for food | 13:08 |
| knome | in the supermarket | 13:08 |
| elfy | good luck - others will be hunting also | 13:08 |
| slickymaster | others recollecting | 13:09 |
| knome | not yet, so i should be fast | 13:09 |
| elfy | :) | 13:09 |
| knome | but i think i'm too lazy to be fast :P | 13:09 |
| slickymaster | :) | 13:09 |
| knome | bbl -> | 13:14 |
| zequence_ | Hi. About the live session. Is yours working fine now? | 13:14 |
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| elfy | zequence: nope - still waiting | 13:15 |
| zequence | elfy: Ok, but you're only waiting for the changes by Unit193 to be uploaded? | 13:15 |
| zequence | I'm assuming those will fix it | 13:15 |
| zequence | I'm just about to make changes in ubuntustudio-default-settings to overcome the same problem | 13:16 |
| elfy | yea - that's the case for us | 13:16 |
| zequence | Ok. Good. I'll go ahead and implement the fix for us as well | 13:16 |
| slickymaster | \away | 14:39 |
| knome | hey zequence, nice to see you around and active :) | 15:09 |
| ochosi | xnox: hey! | 15:29 |
| zequence | knome: Hi. Yeah, I've been sleeping for a while, maintaining linux-lowlatency mostly. Busy, busy. I'll be quite active for a while now. | 15:34 |
| zequence | Going to apply for upload rights now :) | 15:34 |
| knome | :) | 15:38 |
| sergio-br2 | hello someone | 17:35 |
| elfy | hi | 17:35 |
| sergio-br2 | i installed xubuntu trusty 2 times in a HP desktop, and it seems that it does not record well grub in HDD... | 17:36 |
| sergio-br2 | in the first time, i installed and after reboot, it goes direct to windows. No UEFI hardware, it is from 2011 i think. | 17:36 |
| sergio-br2 | do you know what package i have to report bug? | 17:37 |
| elfy | grub2 perhaps | 17:38 |
| sergio-br2 | if i use boot repair, grub is installed in machine. (i'm using the "Advanced instalation", or "Other", don't remember...) | 17:38 |
| slickymaster | elfy: are you near any Trusty box? | 17:58 |
| elfy | in front of one :p | 17:59 |
| slickymaster | can you please confirm, in Thunar, something? | 18:00 |
| elfy | yep | 18:00 |
| slickymaster | no need, silly me | 18:01 |
| elfy | ok :) | 18:01 |
| * slickymaster is getting dumb :P | 18:01 | |
| elfy | lol | 18:01 |
| brainwash_ | so the Mir guys are shifting their work towards unity8-mir and possible rootless x support for it | 18:09 |
| brainwash_ | XMir seems to lose some ground | 18:10 |
| brainwash_ | mainly because it's not used as default solution in 13.10/14.04 | 18:11 |
| elfy | hi brainwash_ | 18:25 |
| brainwash_ | hey elfy | 18:26 |
| brainwash_ | elfy: the restricted AMD driver is now kernel 3.13 compatible | 18:27 |
| elfy | yay :) | 18:29 |
| slickymaster | brb for the meeting | 18:30 |
| sergio-br2 | elfy, did you try nvidia-331-updates with this new kernel? | 18:41 |
| knome | anybody else able to chair today? | 18:49 |
| knome | i might need to leave quickly and thus i'd like somebody else to lead the meeting | 18:49 |
| knome | #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting | 18:57 |
| meetingology | Meeting started Thu Jan 9 18:57:46 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. | 18:57 |
| meetingology | Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired | 18:57 |
| knome | i'm starting the meeting now because i might need to run at some point | 18:57 |
| ali1234 | o/ | 18:58 |
| ochosi | crap, i'll only be halfway here... | 18:58 |
| knome | say hi if you are around, and team leaders, stop lurking so i can make you chair the meeting | 18:58 |
| elfy | just finishing up | 18:58 |
| slickymaster | o/ | 18:58 |
| knome | elfy, like to chair? | 18:58 |
| jjfrv8 | hi | 18:58 |
| knome | hey jjfrv8, or you ^ | 18:58 |
| elfy | ~I hate to chair | 18:58 |
| jjfrv8 | no idea how | 18:58 |
| sergio-br2 | hi | 18:58 |
| elfy | will if no-one else is about | 18:58 |
| knome | jjfrv8, i can give you a quick tutorial | 18:58 |
| jjfrv8 | maybe some other time? | 18:59 |
| knome | sure | 18:59 |
| knome | #chair elfy | 18:59 |
| meetingology | Current chairs: elfy knome | 18:59 |
| knome | elfy, you can now #chair other people if they appear and i'm not here to do that. | 18:59 |
| elfy | k | 18:59 |
| knome | i guess i can start with the bureaucracy | 18:59 |
| knome | #topic Items carried on | 18:59 |
| knome | #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting | 19:00 |
| knome | #action ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 | 19:00 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 | 19:00 |
| knome | ali1234, ? | 19:00 |
| knome | ah poop | 19:00 |
| knome | brb | 19:00 |
| ali1234 | it's in saucy-updates now, landed a couple of days ago | 19:00 |
| ochosi | congrats | 19:00 |
| elfy | here now - sergio-br2 I'll talk to you about nvidia after the meeting | 19:01 |
| sergio-br2 | ok | 19:02 |
| knome | ali1234, do you want to carry on that item? | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | carry it on? | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | it's fixed now afaik | 19:02 |
| knome | make it pop up in the next meeting | 19:02 |
| knome | okay, | 19:02 |
| knome | #undo | 19:02 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x16231d0> | 19:02 |
| ali1234 | i guess not | 19:02 |
| knome | #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at | 19:02 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at | 19:02 |
| knome | elfy, want to carry on or was that mostly a remark? | 19:02 |
| knome | have you got more things to test already? | 19:03 |
| elfy | was mostly a remark - I've been running with the ppas we have constantly now | 19:03 |
| knome | #undo | 19:03 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x174a2d0> | 19:03 |
| knome | okay | 19:03 |
| knome | #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late | 19:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late | 19:03 |
| knome | #undo | 19:03 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Action object at 0x1617850> | 19:03 |
| knome | #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week) | 19:03 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week) | 19:03 |
| knome | #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position | 19:04 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position | 19:04 |
| knome | TBD, carrying on | 19:04 |
| elfy | what testing stuff is that? ^^ | 19:04 |
| knome | the things we are supposed to have | 19:04 |
| knome | we went through the -features BP, and i'm much better on top of that now | 19:04 |
| elfy | right - well if we can get that conversation in during the next week - then I'm currently on the week off cycle | 19:04 |
| knome | so basically the same, but i hope we'll have new versions and that kind of stuff soon | 19:04 |
| elfy | and can be about | 19:05 |
| knome | sure, will try to push towards that | 19:05 |
| knome | #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back | 19:05 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back | 19:05 |
| knome | ochosi, ? | 19:05 |
| elfy | come back to him :) | 19:06 |
| * knome slaps ochosi | 19:06 | |
| knome | #info Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list | 19:06 |
| ochosi | mm, well, there have been a few releases | 19:06 |
| ochosi | but we're still waiting for the panel | 19:06 |
| knome | ochosi, no news about the final 4.12 release? | 19:07 |
| ochosi | not really | 19:07 |
| knome | oki | 19:07 |
| knome | #topic Team updates | 19:07 |
| knome | please use #info and #action as necessary | 19:07 |
| ochosi | (as there are still dev-releases missing and nick seems busy...) | 19:07 |
| knome | #info knome and ochosi went through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features, which now has updated whiteboard and work items statuses | 19:08 |
| knome | #info knome finished the finnish tranlsation for xubuntu docs | 19:08 |
| knome | #info knome worked on the website, new release planned soon | 19:08 |
| knome | #undo | 19:08 |
| meetingology | Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x16f2890> | 19:08 |
| knome | #info knome worked on the website, refreshing release planned soon | 19:08 |
| ali1234 | oh, the terminal crash fix also just went into saucy-updates :) | 19:08 |
| knome | ali1234, with #info please | 19:09 |
| knome | (and would be helpful if you can point to a bug number) | 19:09 |
| slickymaster | #info slickymaster finished the portuguese translation for xubuntu docs | 19:09 |
| slickymaster | bug 1206739 | 19:09 |
| ubottu | bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 | 19:09 |
| knome | #info ochosi and bluesabre worked on light-locker theming | 19:09 |
| knome | #info bugfix for 1206739 got into saucy-updates | 19:10 |
| ochosi | s/light-locker/lightdm-gtk-greeter/ | 19:10 |
| knome | whatever! :P | 19:10 |
| ochosi | sry, something came up, gotta run... | 19:10 |
| ochosi | :/ | 19:10 |
| knome | np | 19:10 |
| knome | will assign loads of tasks to you for that | 19:11 |
| knome | is there anything else? | 19:11 |
| ali1234 | #info bugfix for 1208204 (indicator-sound-gtk2) also got into saucy-updates | 19:11 |
| elfy | #info work towards use of autopilot is still ongoing - but it's unlikely to get there this cycle | 19:11 |
| elfy | #info package testing moving on - calling for seperate sections every couple of weeks | 19:11 |
| elfy | #info checking of required testcases for each call being lined up by -qa | 19:11 |
| elfy | #info iso testing - moves forward as always | 19:11 |
| elfy | #info calls have been going out to -testers | 19:12 |
| elfy | #info calls having little effect on reported numbers | 19:12 |
| elfy | #action elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that | 19:12 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that | 19:12 |
| elfy | #info we need to be moving towards getting testcase for the other new stuff in the next week or so | 19:12 |
| knome | elfy, let's also discuss the future of -testers | 19:13 |
| elfy | #action elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome | 19:13 |
| meetingology | ACTION: elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome | 19:13 |
| knome | #info alpha 2 is in 2 weeks | 19:13 |
| elfy | if we still don't have a properly booting image then I see no point in doing it | 19:14 |
| knome | #info feature freeze is in 6 weeks | 19:14 |
| knome | elfy, what was holding it again? the session bug? | 19:14 |
| elfy | yep | 19:14 |
| knome | will get that updated | 19:14 |
| knome | /uploaded | 19:15 |
| elfy | ok | 19:15 |
| * knome promises, so it'll happen | 19:15 | |
| knome | i will try to get the fix soon ASAP | 19:15 |
| knome | xnox, ^ | 19:15 |
| elfy | #action knome will get session bug fix uploaded | 19:15 |
| meetingology | ACTION: knome will get session bug fix uploaded | 19:15 |
| elfy | :p | 19:15 |
| knome | anything else for the updates? | 19:15 |
| knome | elfy, works for me :P | 19:15 |
| knome | welcome Noskcaj | 19:16 |
| knome | #topic Announcements | 19:16 |
| elfy | no more updates here | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | hey knome | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | one sec | 19:16 |
| knome | #info slickymaster is applying for ubuntu membership, go give him testimonials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster if you are familiar with his work | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info Noskcaj needs more testimonials for xubuntu packageset, add them at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info Noskcaj is part-way through applyignfor motu and xubuntu packageset via email | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info libxfce4ui is waiting for a sponsor to upload it to trusty | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info debian will upload more 4.11 components this month | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info debian have fixed the power manager systemd issue in svn, it should be uploaded soon | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info gthumb 3.2.6 is now uploaded and web-plugins are re-enabled | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info prpltwtr will release sometime this month | 19:16 |
| Noskcaj | #info Noskcaj is now on the bug control team | 19:17 |
| knome | Noskcaj, thanks | 19:17 |
| knome | other announcements from leaders? | 19:18 |
| elfy | no | 19:18 |
| knome | #topic New and emerging items | 19:19 |
| knome | #subtopic Which GTK3 indicators are we going to ship? | 19:19 |
| knome | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators | 19:19 |
| knome | ochosi wanted -power and -messages in | 19:19 |
| ali1234 | ship ALL the indicators! | 19:19 |
| knome | yeah, i was wondering if there is any reason *not* to *ship* them all? | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | actally yes there is | 19:20 |
| knome | well go ahead and tell us :) | 19:20 |
| ali1234 | -datetime is probably not a good idea because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314 | 19:21 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | -session doesn't really work properly with light-locker and xfce-session stuff | 19:21 |
| ali1234 | all the others seem okay though | 19:21 |
| knome | okay | 19:22 |
| brainwash_ | -power needs to be patched to launch xfce4-power-manager, or? | 19:22 |
| elfy | only got 3 working here - messages/sound and the clock one | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | oh and shipping them == having them running in the default setup, unless you blacklist them | 19:22 |
| ali1234 | i don't use power (not a laptop) | 19:22 |
| knome | brainwash_, i guess that's the case but afaik there's a fix incoming | 19:23 |
| knome | ali1234, yep, i acknowledge shipping is using :) | 19:23 |
| brainwash_ | but aren't the current panel plugins more lightweight and stable? | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | not really | 19:23 |
| ali1234 | the sound plugin doesn't really work at all with PA, and there is no plugin for indicator-messages or -sync | 19:24 |
| knome | do we want to discuss this further or are we ok? | 19:25 |
| ali1234 | bluman is kind of unmaintained now also | 19:25 |
| brainwash_ | not talking about the ones which don't have a panel plugin equivalent | 19:25 |
| knome | we're going to need to switch to gtk3 indicators at some point anyway | 19:25 |
| knome | if not for other reasons, to avoid maintaining the whole gtk2 indicator stack | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | well ignoring datetime, session, bluetooth, sound, messages... there is not much left really | 19:26 |
| knome | brainwash_, do you know for sure there is some problems with them, or are you just concerned about lightness? | 19:26 |
| ali1234 | oh and -application is miles better than the notification plugin which doesn't work properly on dual monitor and never will | 19:26 |
| elfy | doesn't work here ali1234 | 19:27 |
| brainwash_ | I don't have any numbers | 19:27 |
| knome | elfy, do you have a bug filed? | 19:27 |
| ali1234 | elfy: because of that stupid upstart bug. it's being fixed | 19:27 |
| Noskcaj | ali1234, Blueman is semi-active again. https://github.com/cschramm/blueman | 19:27 |
| elfy | ali1234: right ok | 19:27 |
| knome | ali1234, good to know | 19:27 |
| knome | anything else on the subject? | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | i talked to tedg about it couple of days ago. apparently he has a plan | 19:28 |
| ali1234 | i'll continue to follow up on that | 19:28 |
| knome | ali1234, thanks | 19:28 |
| knome | #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status | 19:28 |
| meetingology | ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status | 19:28 |
| knome | #subtopic Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches | 19:28 |
| sergio-br2 | blueman is much better than the bluetooth thing of gnome... will it be change? | 19:28 |
| knome | so, we discussed this briefly with ochosi... | 19:28 |
| sergio-br2 | ops, sorry | 19:28 |
| knome | sergio-br2, that's not the question:) | 19:28 |
| knome | currently, only people in -dev can push to xubuntu branches | 19:29 |
| knome | we were wondering if it was possible to allow more people to push into the branches | 19:29 |
| knome | either via creating a new team, like -branches, or assigning them to -team | 19:29 |
| knome | micahg, do you have any insight on this? | 19:29 |
| knome | (are you even around?) | 19:29 |
| elfy | so - -dev is effectively just micahg atm ? | 19:30 |
| knome | elfy, yes | 19:30 |
| Noskcaj | elfy, Yup | 19:30 |
| Noskcaj | And all of core-dev | 19:30 |
| elfy | thought that was the case | 19:30 |
| knome | we're looking to get more people in -dev though, but even then... | 19:30 |
| elfy | yep - it's an issue for sure | 19:31 |
| knome | i mean -team is already moderated, and we have some amount of trust for the members already | 19:31 |
| knome | so we don't expect them to do foolish things with the branches | 19:31 |
| * Noskcaj needs a testimonial from knome | 19:31 | |
| elfy | knome: I can agree with that | 19:31 |
| slickymaster | +1 | 19:31 |
| knome | if -dev members or DMB thinks we can't allow -team to push to branches, we should look at creating a new team which would have push rights, but a bit looser membership requirements than -dev | 19:32 |
| knome | but i guess we need to postpone this, because neither ochosi or micahg are around | 19:32 |
| knome | Noskcaj, i can only give a non-technical one, but i will do that once i have time | 19:32 |
| knome | Noskcaj, (and can clear my thoughts for it) | 19:32 |
| knome | #subtopic Schedule next meeting | 19:33 |
| Noskcaj | knome, ty | 19:33 |
| elfy | knome: maybe set up a specific meeting for you ochosi and micahg - not really something we should leave hanging | 19:33 |
| knome | #info Next meeting Jan 16, 19UTC | 19:33 |
| elfy | and those interested of course | 19:33 |
| knome | elfy, will be in touch with them, but want to get it through the community meeting :) | 19:33 |
| elfy | :) | 19:33 |
| knome | #endmeeting | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Meeting ended Thu Jan 9 19:34:00 2014 UTC. | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Minutes (wiki): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-09-18.57.moin.txt | 19:33 |
| meetingology | Minutes (html): http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-09-18.57.html | 19:33 |
| knome | ta | 19:33 |
| elfy | ty knome | 19:34 |
| slickymaster | thanks knome | 19:34 |
| Noskcaj | What did i miss at the start of the meeting? | 19:34 |
| Unit193 | libxfce4ui is already in Trusty proper. | 19:34 |
| elfy | slickymaster: when we're doing qa updates and you see I've missed something - #info it please | 19:34 |
| elfy | Unit193: I got that yesterday I think | 19:34 |
| slickymaster | sure elfy | 19:34 |
| slickymaster | Noskcaj, I'm applying for Ubuntu Membership on the meeting that will be held on February 6th, 2014 at 22:00:00 UTC, so if you feel I'm worthy please drop a line or two, as a testimonial, in my wiki page -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster | 19:35 |
| Noskcaj | slickymaster, Already did | 19:35 |
| slickymaster | Noskcaj, thanks a lot | 19:35 |
| Noskcaj | no problem, you should probably apply for bug control too | 19:36 |
| knome | Noskcaj, updated the minutes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings | 19:36 |
| Noskcaj | ok | 19:36 |
| knome | and should now be up | 19:36 |
| knome | pastefail | 19:36 |
| slickymaster | Noskcaj, yeah, I think you're right. I'll discuss it with you later on | 19:36 |
| elfy | knome: I wondered :p | 19:37 |
| Unit193 | Next meeting: http://goo.gl/gBilVw | 19:38 |
| slickymaster | hey Unit193 | 19:39 |
| Unit193 | Howdy. | 19:39 |
| knome | pleia2, went an updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports/14/January | 19:42 |
| knome | pleia2, and pointed /Current there | 19:42 |
| knome | jjfrv8, while we are working on the "what's new" doc, we should look at updating http://xubuntu.org/tour/ | 19:45 |
| GridCube | D: that was a quick meeting | 19:45 |
| knome | jjfrv8, and possible take a stab at http://xubuntu.org/about/ | 19:45 |
| knome | jjfrv8, i'm drafting a new theme for the website at http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/, and we can easily give other links the same bold style as the "download now" -link has | 19:46 |
| knome | jjfrv8, (tbe, we can make that even more bold, and i should look into that) | 19:46 |
| slickymaster | afk | 19:48 |
| elfy | sergio-br2: you still about? | 20:07 |
| elfy | sergio-br2: the nvidia I installed yesterday on the other partition was NOT the updates one - but it was the new kernel | 20:08 |
| elfy | other than the issue I did the bug for it worked ok - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442 | 20:09 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1267442 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "Install nvidia-331 on Xubuntu results in unbootable machine" [Undecided,New] | 20:09 |
| ochosi | ok, i'm back | 20:19 |
| ochosi | too late i guess :/ | 20:19 |
| elfy | wb ochosi :) | 20:19 |
| Unit193 | knome: fi/media-apps.xml:332: element menuchoice: validity error : Element menuchoice content does not follow the DTD, expecting (shortcut? , (guibutton | guiicon | guilabel | guimenu | guimenuitem | guisubmenu | interface)+), got (CDATA guimenuitem) You have a <guimenuitem/> and it doesn't seem to like that. | 20:19 |
| Noskcaj | wb ochosi | 20:19 |
| ochosi | ok, i gotta read the backlog now... | 20:21 |
| ochosi | if there's important stuff, feel free to ping me directly | 20:21 |
| elfy | ochosi: the logs are up already if you want to see the thousands of things we actioned you with :p | 20:21 |
| knome | Unit193, egh, i thought i had those in order | 20:21 |
| ochosi | knome: good time to read #xfce-dev | 20:22 |
| Unit193 | fi.po:1584 | 20:25 |
| ochosi | brainwash_: i've filed a merge-request for indicator-power today about xfce4-powerman integration | 20:27 |
| ochosi | there's really not much we need, it's a few lines, that tiny patch... | 20:27 |
| knome | ochosi, lurking | 20:39 |
| ochosi | actually the important stuff was nick asking about our plans | 20:41 |
| ochosi | and that's over :) | 20:41 |
| elfy | night | 20:46 |
| Unit193 | knome: Thanks for that though, showed me a 'bug' | 20:51 |
| Noskcaj | New taskmanager is now uploaded | 20:57 |
| knome | Unit193, :) | 20:59 |
| knome | Unit193, what about the translator credits? | 20:59 |
| Unit193 | Pasi, FI; and David, PT. :P | 20:59 |
| knome | the string launchpad creates is stupid, because it'll output the strings after each other, not in a <li> | 20:59 |
| knome | oh bah, i need to poke at a wordpress plugin >__< | 21:00 |
| Unit193 | I have no idea, I didn't do any translation things. | 21:00 |
| knome | if you type "translator-credits" as is in a <para>, the translations will have a list of people who contributed via launchpad | 21:01 |
| knome | but as i said, that's not formatted nicely | 21:01 |
| knome | do you think it's too hackish to create a string that says "Contributors to this translation are:", then another that lists people? | 21:02 |
| knome | and translate that to null in en | 21:02 |
| knome | and then just tell translators to translate the first message to their language and update the second one when new contributors pop up | 21:02 |
| knome | brb, will boot the desktop machine to be able to *work* | 21:03 |
| Unit193 | Eh, I should be doing other stuff. | 21:03 |
| sergio-br2 | elfy, sorry, i'm here now | 22:02 |
| sergio-br2 | but nvidia-331 and nvidia-331-updates is the same, now, don't? | 22:03 |
| sergio-br2 | elfy, and the other bug, with nouveau? I tested today, same behavior | 22:04 |
| sergio-br2 | with the new kernel | 22:05 |
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