[00:34] knome: pongalong? === DalekSec_ is now known as DalekSec === eric_the_idiot is now known as Guest55999 [07:20] ## [07:20] ## Xubuntu Team Meeting - Today, 9th @ 19:00 UTC - #xubuntu-devel [07:20] ## [07:22] Unit193, I will wake up to that [07:32] morning Unit193 Noskcaj [07:32] hey elfy [07:32] elfy: Howdy. [09:46] elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6719815/ reporting in [09:47] morning all [09:50] morning slickymaster [09:52] hi lderan [10:19] morning lderan, slickymaster [10:20] morning knome :) [10:20] 97% translated [10:20] knome: he he you're already seeing the light :) [10:21] yeah, i only have some of the apt-offline stuff to translate [10:22] but those are the bigger and complicated strings to translate knome [10:22] sure... but otoh, they don't have too many gui strings to translate, so easier [10:23] yeah, you're right [10:25] i think i even got my wife semi-interested in proofreading the translation [10:26] ...so expect a big commit with fixes :P [10:27] LOL [10:34] ali1234: may i bother you with a quick gtk question? [10:34] okay :) [10:35] thanks :) [10:35] so, my question is, is there a standard call/function for redrawing a window plus all its content? [10:35] so far i've only found gtk_widget_queue_draw [10:36] but that only has effect on single widgets [10:36] no idea [10:36] and i need everything in that window to be redrawn [10:36] call it on the window? [10:36] a window is a widget [10:36] tried, doesn't work [10:36] at least the draw-callback doesn't seem to be triggered, which is what i need [10:37] i considered calling the draw-callback manually, but that seems a bit hackish [10:37] (also i'm not sure it'd really work) [10:49] hmm, i thought launchpad would have handled fuzzy translations better [10:49] looks like it just dismisses them [10:49] well done... [10:52] ali1234: figured it out, gtk_widget_queue_draw does what i want (if you call it from the right place ;)) [10:57] ochosi: woo \o/ [10:57] lderan: woo? :) [10:57] what part of me are you woo-ing exactly? [10:57] for figuring it out [10:57] ah, thanks :) [10:58] well, fake transparency is ready now i think [10:58] knome: major drawback of not having gnome-icon-theme around: no highcontrast icon theme... :/ [10:58] so i think we need to keep it for accessibility reasons [11:01] knome: what do you mean by fuzzy translations? === davmor2_ is now known as davmor2 [11:04] ochosi, can't we just add the hicolor theme? [11:04] it's part of the gnome-icon-theme package afaik [11:04] slickymaster, in poedit (and pretty much any editor), you can mark translations as "fuzzy" [11:05] slickymaster, this can also happen automatically when strings change just slightly; the .po-file-updater marks the translation "fuzzy" because it's not sure if it's accurate any more [11:05] ochosi, bah, well that should definitely be split [11:06] knome: to be frank, the only benefit i see now of getting rid of gnome-icon-theme is a cleaner emblems list in thunar... [11:06] (the few MB it adds don't really count) [11:06] well that's a good benefit :P [11:06] knome: got it, thanks [11:07] and having working icons for all gnome3 apps without having to wonder is also kidan nice-ish [11:07] s/kidan/kinda/ [11:07] ochosi, bolloks :) [11:07] +c [11:07] my C-key isn't working [11:07] anyway, i just think we have bigger fish to fry in 14.04 and i'd prefer to focus on those [11:08] agreed, but only barely :P [11:08] so i'm re-prioritizing this issue, is all i'm saying [11:08] (to the bottom of my list) [11:08] y [11:28] lderan: thanks :) [11:48] slickymaster, 100% [11:49] \o/ congrats [11:49] ta ta [11:49] now there's no singular in docs translations [11:50] hm? [11:51] now that i've finished the translation... [11:51] i probably should proofread the original text [11:51] :) [11:51] to prepare more work to be done for me and slickymaster [11:51] :P [11:52] :) we have to convince GridCube to translate it into Spanish [11:52] now that he is on holidays [11:56] heh [11:58] goddamn launchpad - fill a bug report in - it timesout - must be the new plan to not have to bother with bugs :| [11:58] lol [12:00] marking it a security vulnerability so someone looks at it ... [12:01] :P [12:01] don't, if it isn't [12:01] I'm joking :) [12:01] just tell me what the bug is and i'll rather poke people with it [12:01] ;P [12:01] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442 [12:01] Ubuntu bug 1267442 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-331 (Ubuntu) "Install nvidia-331 on Xubuntu results in unbootable machine" [Undecided,New] [12:01] heh [12:36] ochosi: ping [12:36] slickymaster: pong [12:36] ochosi: the test you spoke about yesterday, you wanted to be made [12:37] slickymaster: yeah, you can skip that one for now... [12:37] i had to realize earlier that we lose the hicontrast icon-theme when dropping gnome-icon-theme [12:37] so things are getting more complicated [12:37] and i don't have time to spend on an issue like that [12:38] okie dokie, but if you'll need them later, just ping me [12:38] sorry if you already started testing :/ [12:38] i was going to do it anyhow, np [12:38] testing the icons from PPA is useful anyway though [12:39] if you notice missing icons or ones that look off, let me know [12:39] with elementary-xfce, right? [12:39] yup, elementary-xfce-darker to be exact [12:39] will do [12:48] Unit193, humpf, we should look at using the translator-credits string in the docs [12:54] Unit193, or alternatively, some other method to credit translators [12:58] heh, it looks like the karma system is definitely borked [12:58] Top contributors [12:58] David Pires 840 points / Pasi Lallinaho 275 points [12:58] you're not getting karma if you translate .po's with external editors :) [12:59] that karma stat seems about right to me :D [13:00] LOL [13:00] in what sense? [13:00] we've both translated 100% of a language, and i've handled the branch in addition [13:00] i'm not saying i need more karma, or that it matters [13:00] i'm just saying the system is borked [13:00] did you download the pot file, translate it and then uploaded it knome? [13:00] slickymaster, pretty much yeah. [13:01] i have 41 karma in rosetta translations, you have 805 [13:01] that's why [13:01] so i'm lacking like 750, so my karma should be >1000 for the project [13:01] yes, i know it's because of that [13:01] but the system is borked [13:02] if you get 1 karma for translating 1 string in rosetta, uploading .po file with 100 translated stings should give you 100 karma [13:02] "should" [13:02] i mean, yeah, that's overkill [13:03] and would be stupid because one can't track if it was really you who translated the strings [13:03] yeah, I do agree with you, it's not fair [13:03] but... the karma system is broken :) [13:07] never mind - those with false karma will return as ants :p [13:07] :P [13:08] bah, i should go hunt for food [13:08] in the supermarket [13:08] good luck - others will be hunting also [13:09] others recollecting [13:09] not yet, so i should be fast [13:09] :) [13:09] but i think i'm too lazy to be fast :P [13:09] :) [13:14] bbl -> [13:14] Hi. About the live session. Is yours working fine now? === zequence_ is now known as zequence [13:15] zequence: nope - still waiting [13:15] elfy: Ok, but you're only waiting for the changes by Unit193 to be uploaded? [13:15] I'm assuming those will fix it [13:16] I'm just about to make changes in ubuntustudio-default-settings to overcome the same problem [13:16] yea - that's the case for us [13:16] Ok. Good. I'll go ahead and implement the fix for us as well [14:39] \away [15:09] hey zequence, nice to see you around and active :) [15:29] xnox: hey! [15:34] knome: Hi. Yeah, I've been sleeping for a while, maintaining linux-lowlatency mostly. Busy, busy. I'll be quite active for a while now. [15:34] Going to apply for upload rights now :) [15:38] :) [17:35] hello someone [17:35] hi [17:36] i installed xubuntu trusty 2 times in a HP desktop, and it seems that it does not record well grub in HDD... [17:36] in the first time, i installed and after reboot, it goes direct to windows. No UEFI hardware, it is from 2011 i think. [17:37] do you know what package i have to report bug? [17:38] grub2 perhaps [17:38] if i use boot repair, grub is installed in machine. (i'm using the "Advanced instalation", or "Other", don't remember...) [17:58] elfy: are you near any Trusty box? [17:59] in front of one :p [18:00] can you please confirm, in Thunar, something? [18:00] yep [18:01] no need, silly me [18:01] ok :) [18:01] * slickymaster is getting dumb :P [18:01] lol [18:09] so the Mir guys are shifting their work towards unity8-mir and possible rootless x support for it [18:10] XMir seems to lose some ground [18:11] mainly because it's not used as default solution in 13.10/14.04 [18:25] hi brainwash_ [18:26] hey elfy [18:27] elfy: the restricted AMD driver is now kernel 3.13 compatible [18:29] yay :) [18:30] brb for the meeting [18:41] elfy, did you try nvidia-331-updates with this new kernel? [18:49] anybody else able to chair today? [18:49] i might need to leave quickly and thus i'd like somebody else to lead the meeting [18:57] #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting [18:57] Meeting started Thu Jan 9 18:57:46 2014 UTC. The chair is knome. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology. [18:57] Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [18:57] i'm starting the meeting now because i might need to run at some point [18:58] o/ [18:58] crap, i'll only be halfway here... [18:58] say hi if you are around, and team leaders, stop lurking so i can make you chair the meeting [18:58] just finishing up [18:58] o/ [18:58] elfy, like to chair? [18:58] hi [18:58] hey jjfrv8, or you ^ [18:58] ~I hate to chair [18:58] no idea how [18:58] hi [18:58] will if no-one else is about [18:58] jjfrv8, i can give you a quick tutorial [18:59] maybe some other time? [18:59] sure [18:59] #chair elfy [18:59] Current chairs: elfy knome [18:59] elfy, you can now #chair other people if they appear and i'm not here to do that. [18:59] k [18:59] i guess i can start with the bureaucracy [18:59] #topic Items carried on [19:00] #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting [19:00] #action ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 [19:00] ACTION: ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 [19:00] ali1234, ? [19:00] ah poop [19:00] brb [19:00] it's in saucy-updates now, landed a couple of days ago [19:00] congrats [19:01] here now - sergio-br2 I'll talk to you about nvidia after the meeting [19:02] ok [19:02] ali1234, do you want to carry on that item? [19:02] carry it on? [19:02] it's fixed now afaik [19:02] make it pop up in the next meeting [19:02] okay, [19:02] #undo [19:02] Removing item from minutes: [19:02] i guess not [19:02] #action elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at [19:02] ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at [19:02] elfy, want to carry on or was that mostly a remark? [19:03] have you got more things to test already? [19:03] was mostly a remark - I've been running with the ppas we have constantly now [19:03] #undo [19:03] Removing item from minutes: [19:03] okay [19:03] #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late [19:03] ACTION: ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late [19:03] #undo [19:03] Removing item from minutes: [19:03] #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week) [19:03] ACTION: ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week) [19:04] #action knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position [19:04] ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position [19:04] TBD, carrying on [19:04] what testing stuff is that? ^^ [19:04] the things we are supposed to have [19:04] we went through the -features BP, and i'm much better on top of that now [19:04] right - well if we can get that conversation in during the next week - then I'm currently on the week off cycle [19:04] so basically the same, but i hope we'll have new versions and that kind of stuff soon [19:05] and can be about [19:05] sure, will try to push towards that [19:05] #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back [19:05] ACTION: ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back [19:05] ochosi, ? [19:06] come back to him :) [19:06] * knome slaps ochosi [19:06] #info Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list [19:06] mm, well, there have been a few releases [19:06] but we're still waiting for the panel [19:07] ochosi, no news about the final 4.12 release? [19:07] not really [19:07] oki [19:07] #topic Team updates [19:07] please use #info and #action as necessary [19:07] (as there are still dev-releases missing and nick seems busy...) [19:08] #info knome and ochosi went through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features, which now has updated whiteboard and work items statuses [19:08] #info knome finished the finnish tranlsation for xubuntu docs [19:08] #info knome worked on the website, new release planned soon [19:08] #undo [19:08] Removing item from minutes: [19:08] #info knome worked on the website, refreshing release planned soon [19:08] oh, the terminal crash fix also just went into saucy-updates :) [19:09] ali1234, with #info please [19:09] (and would be helpful if you can point to a bug number) [19:09] #info slickymaster finished the portuguese translation for xubuntu docs [19:09] bug 1206739 [19:09] bug 1206739 in xfce4-terminal (Ubuntu) "xfce4-terminal crashed with SIGSEGV in magazine_chain_pop_head()" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1206739 [19:09] #info ochosi and bluesabre worked on light-locker theming [19:10] #info bugfix for 1206739 got into saucy-updates [19:10] s/light-locker/lightdm-gtk-greeter/ [19:10] whatever! :P [19:10] sry, something came up, gotta run... [19:10] :/ [19:10] np [19:11] will assign loads of tasks to you for that [19:11] is there anything else? [19:11] #info bugfix for 1208204 (indicator-sound-gtk2) also got into saucy-updates [19:11] #info work towards use of autopilot is still ongoing - but it's unlikely to get there this cycle [19:11] #info package testing moving on - calling for seperate sections every couple of weeks [19:11] #info checking of required testcases for each call being lined up by -qa [19:11] #info iso testing - moves forward as always [19:12] #info calls have been going out to -testers [19:12] #info calls having little effect on reported numbers [19:12] #action elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that [19:12] ACTION: elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that [19:12] #info we need to be moving towards getting testcase for the other new stuff in the next week or so [19:13] elfy, let's also discuss the future of -testers [19:13] #action elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome [19:13] ACTION: elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome [19:13] #info alpha 2 is in 2 weeks [19:14] if we still don't have a properly booting image then I see no point in doing it [19:14] #info feature freeze is in 6 weeks [19:14] elfy, what was holding it again? the session bug? [19:14] yep [19:14] will get that updated [19:15] /uploaded [19:15] ok [19:15] * knome promises, so it'll happen [19:15] i will try to get the fix soon ASAP [19:15] xnox, ^ [19:15] #action knome will get session bug fix uploaded [19:15] ACTION: knome will get session bug fix uploaded [19:15] :p [19:15] anything else for the updates? [19:15] elfy, works for me :P [19:16] welcome Noskcaj [19:16] #topic Announcements [19:16] no more updates here [19:16] hey knome [19:16] one sec [19:16] #info slickymaster is applying for ubuntu membership, go give him testimonials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster if you are familiar with his work [19:16] #info Noskcaj needs more testimonials for xubuntu packageset, add them at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet [19:16] #info Noskcaj is part-way through applyignfor motu and xubuntu packageset via email [19:16] #info libxfce4ui is waiting for a sponsor to upload it to trusty [19:16] #info debian will upload more 4.11 components this month [19:16] #info debian have fixed the power manager systemd issue in svn, it should be uploaded soon [19:16] #info gthumb 3.2.6 is now uploaded and web-plugins are re-enabled [19:16] #info prpltwtr will release sometime this month [19:17] #info Noskcaj is now on the bug control team [19:17] Noskcaj, thanks [19:18] other announcements from leaders? [19:18] no [19:19] #topic New and emerging items [19:19] #subtopic Which GTK3 indicators are we going to ship? [19:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators [19:19] ochosi wanted -power and -messages in [19:19] ship ALL the indicators! [19:20] yeah, i was wondering if there is any reason *not* to *ship* them all? [19:20] actally yes there is [19:20] well go ahead and tell us :) [19:21] -datetime is probably not a good idea because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314 [19:21] Ubuntu bug 1074314 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "indicator-datetime configuration panel only works in Unity session" [Undecided,Confirmed] [19:21] -session doesn't really work properly with light-locker and xfce-session stuff [19:21] all the others seem okay though [19:22] okay [19:22] -power needs to be patched to launch xfce4-power-manager, or? [19:22] only got 3 working here - messages/sound and the clock one [19:22] oh and shipping them == having them running in the default setup, unless you blacklist them [19:22] i don't use power (not a laptop) [19:23] brainwash_, i guess that's the case but afaik there's a fix incoming [19:23] ali1234, yep, i acknowledge shipping is using :) [19:23] but aren't the current panel plugins more lightweight and stable? [19:23] not really [19:24] the sound plugin doesn't really work at all with PA, and there is no plugin for indicator-messages or -sync [19:25] do we want to discuss this further or are we ok? [19:25] bluman is kind of unmaintained now also [19:25] not talking about the ones which don't have a panel plugin equivalent [19:25] we're going to need to switch to gtk3 indicators at some point anyway [19:26] if not for other reasons, to avoid maintaining the whole gtk2 indicator stack [19:26] well ignoring datetime, session, bluetooth, sound, messages... there is not much left really [19:26] brainwash_, do you know for sure there is some problems with them, or are you just concerned about lightness? [19:26] oh and -application is miles better than the notification plugin which doesn't work properly on dual monitor and never will [19:27] doesn't work here ali1234 [19:27] I don't have any numbers [19:27] elfy, do you have a bug filed? [19:27] elfy: because of that stupid upstart bug. it's being fixed [19:27] ali1234, Blueman is semi-active again. https://github.com/cschramm/blueman [19:27] ali1234: right ok [19:27] ali1234, good to know [19:28] anything else on the subject? [19:28] i talked to tedg about it couple of days ago. apparently he has a plan [19:28] i'll continue to follow up on that [19:28] ali1234, thanks [19:28] #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status [19:28] ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status [19:28] #subtopic Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches [19:28] blueman is much better than the bluetooth thing of gnome... will it be change? [19:28] so, we discussed this briefly with ochosi... [19:28] ops, sorry [19:28] sergio-br2, that's not the question:) [19:29] currently, only people in -dev can push to xubuntu branches [19:29] we were wondering if it was possible to allow more people to push into the branches [19:29] either via creating a new team, like -branches, or assigning them to -team [19:29] micahg, do you have any insight on this? [19:29] (are you even around?) [19:30] so - -dev is effectively just micahg atm ? [19:30] elfy, yes [19:30] elfy, Yup [19:30] And all of core-dev [19:30] thought that was the case [19:30] we're looking to get more people in -dev though, but even then... [19:31] yep - it's an issue for sure [19:31] i mean -team is already moderated, and we have some amount of trust for the members already [19:31] so we don't expect them to do foolish things with the branches [19:31] * Noskcaj needs a testimonial from knome [19:31] knome: I can agree with that [19:31] +1 [19:32] if -dev members or DMB thinks we can't allow -team to push to branches, we should look at creating a new team which would have push rights, but a bit looser membership requirements than -dev [19:32] but i guess we need to postpone this, because neither ochosi or micahg are around [19:32] Noskcaj, i can only give a non-technical one, but i will do that once i have time [19:32]