[00:34] <bluesabre> knome: pongalong?
[07:20] <Unit193> ##
[07:20] <Unit193> ## Xubuntu Team Meeting - Today, 9th @ 19:00 UTC - #xubuntu-devel
[07:20] <Unit193> ##
[07:22] <Noskcaj> Unit193, I will wake up to that
[07:32] <elfy> morning Unit193 Noskcaj 
[07:32] <Noskcaj> hey elfy 
[07:32] <Unit193> elfy: Howdy.
[09:46] <lderan> elfy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6719815/ reporting in
[09:47] <slickymaster> morning all
[09:50] <lderan> morning slickymaster 
[09:52] <slickymaster> hi lderan 
[10:19] <knome> morning lderan, slickymaster 
[10:20] <lderan> morning knome :)
[10:20] <knome> 97% translated
[10:20] <slickymaster> knome: he he you're already seeing the light :)
[10:21] <knome> yeah, i only have some of the apt-offline stuff to translate
[10:22] <slickymaster> but those are the bigger and complicated strings to translate knome 
[10:22] <knome> sure... but otoh, they don't have too many gui strings to translate, so easier
[10:23] <slickymaster> yeah, you're right
[10:25] <knome> i think i even got my wife semi-interested in proofreading the translation
[10:26] <knome> ...so expect a big commit with fixes :P
[10:27] <slickymaster> LOL
[10:34] <ochosi> ali1234: may i bother you with a quick gtk question?
[10:34] <ali1234> okay :)
[10:35] <ochosi> thanks :)
[10:35] <ochosi> so, my question is, is there a standard call/function for redrawing a window plus all its content?
[10:35] <ochosi> so far i've only found gtk_widget_queue_draw
[10:36] <ochosi> but that only has effect on single widgets
[10:36] <ali1234> no idea
[10:36] <ochosi> and i need everything in that window to be redrawn
[10:36] <ali1234> call it on the window?
[10:36] <ali1234> a window is a widget
[10:36] <ochosi> tried, doesn't work
[10:36] <ochosi> at least the draw-callback doesn't seem to be triggered, which is what i need
[10:37] <ochosi> i considered calling the draw-callback manually, but that seems a bit hackish
[10:37] <ochosi> (also i'm not sure it'd really work)
[10:49] <knome> hmm, i thought launchpad would have handled fuzzy translations better
[10:49] <knome> looks like it just dismisses them
[10:49] <knome> well done...
[10:52] <ochosi> ali1234: figured it out, gtk_widget_queue_draw does what i want (if you call it from the right place ;))
[10:57] <lderan> ochosi: woo \o/
[10:57] <ochosi> lderan: woo? :)
[10:57] <ochosi> what part of me are you woo-ing exactly?
[10:57] <lderan> for figuring it out
[10:57] <ochosi> ah, thanks :)
[10:58] <ochosi> well, fake transparency is ready now i think
[10:58] <ochosi> knome: major drawback of not having gnome-icon-theme around: no highcontrast icon theme... :/
[10:58] <ochosi> so i think we need to keep it for accessibility reasons
[11:01] <slickymaster> knome: what do you mean by fuzzy translations?
[11:04] <knome> ochosi, can't we just add the hicolor theme?
[11:04] <ochosi> it's part of the gnome-icon-theme package afaik
[11:04] <knome> slickymaster, in poedit (and pretty much any editor), you can mark translations as "fuzzy"
[11:05] <knome> slickymaster, this can also happen automatically when strings change just slightly; the .po-file-updater marks the translation "fuzzy" because it's not sure if it's accurate any more
[11:05] <knome> ochosi, bah, well that should definitely be split
[11:06] <ochosi> knome: to be frank, the only benefit i see now of getting rid of gnome-icon-theme is a cleaner emblems list in thunar...
[11:06] <ochosi> (the few MB it adds don't really count)
[11:06] <knome> well that's a good benefit :P
[11:06] <slickymaster> knome: got it, thanks
[11:07] <ochosi> and having working icons for all gnome3 apps without having to wonder is also kidan nice-ish
[11:07] <ochosi> s/kidan/kinda/
[11:07] <knome> ochosi, bolloks :)
[11:07] <knome> +c
[11:07] <knome> my C-key isn't working
[11:07] <ochosi> anyway, i just think we have bigger fish to fry in 14.04 and i'd prefer to focus on those
[11:08] <knome> agreed, but only barely :P
[11:08] <ochosi> so i'm re-prioritizing this issue, is all i'm saying
[11:08] <ochosi> (to the bottom of my list)
[11:08] <knome> y
[11:28] <elfy> lderan: thanks :)
[11:48] <knome> slickymaster, 100%
[11:49] <slickymaster> \o/ congrats
[11:49] <knome> ta ta
[11:49] <slickymaster> now there's no singular in docs translations
[11:50] <knome> hm?
[11:51] <knome> now that i've finished the translation...
[11:51] <knome> i probably should proofread the original text
[11:51] <elfy> :)
[11:51] <knome> to prepare more work to be done for me and slickymaster 
[11:51] <lderan> :P
[11:52] <slickymaster> :) we have to convince GridCube to translate it into Spanish
[11:52] <slickymaster> now that he is on holidays
[11:56] <knome> heh
[11:58] <elfy> goddamn launchpad - fill a bug report in - it timesout - must be the new plan to not have to bother with bugs :|
[11:58] <knome> lol
[12:00] <elfy> marking it a security vulnerability so someone looks at it ... 
[12:01] <knome> :P
[12:01] <knome> don't, if it isn't
[12:01] <elfy> I'm joking :)
[12:01] <knome> just tell me what the bug is and i'll rather poke people with it
[12:01] <knome> ;P
[12:01] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442
[12:01] <knome> heh
[12:36] <slickymaster> ochosi: ping
[12:36] <ochosi> slickymaster: pong
[12:36] <slickymaster> ochosi: the test you spoke about yesterday, you wanted to be made
[12:37] <ochosi> slickymaster: yeah, you can skip that one for now...
[12:37] <ochosi> i had to realize earlier that we lose the hicontrast icon-theme when dropping gnome-icon-theme
[12:37] <ochosi> so things are getting more complicated
[12:37] <ochosi> and i don't have time to spend on an issue like that
[12:38] <slickymaster> okie dokie, but if you'll need them later, just ping me
[12:38] <ochosi> sorry if you already started testing :/
[12:38] <slickymaster> i was going to do it anyhow, np
[12:38] <ochosi> testing the icons from PPA is useful anyway though
[12:39] <ochosi> if you notice missing icons or ones that look off, let me know
[12:39] <slickymaster> with elementary-xfce, right?
[12:39] <ochosi> yup, elementary-xfce-darker to be exact
[12:39] <slickymaster> will do
[12:48] <knome> Unit193, humpf, we should look at using the translator-credits string in the docs
[12:54] <knome> Unit193, or alternatively, some other method to credit translators
[12:58] <knome> heh, it looks like the karma system is definitely borked
[12:58] <knome> Top contributors
[12:58] <knome> David Pires 840 points / Pasi Lallinaho 275 points 
[12:58] <knome> you're not getting karma if you translate .po's with external editors :)
[12:59] <ochosi> that karma stat seems about right to me :D
[13:00] <slickymaster> LOL
[13:00] <knome> in what sense?
[13:00] <knome> we've both translated 100% of a language, and i've handled the branch in addition
[13:00] <knome> i'm not saying i need more karma, or that it matters
[13:00] <knome> i'm just saying the system is borked
[13:00] <slickymaster> did you download the pot file, translate it and then uploaded it knome?
[13:00] <knome> slickymaster, pretty much yeah.
[13:01] <knome> i have 41 karma in rosetta translations, you have 805
[13:01] <slickymaster> that's why
[13:01] <knome> so i'm lacking like 750, so my karma should be >1000 for the project
[13:01] <knome> yes, i know it's because of that
[13:01] <knome> but the system is borked
[13:02] <knome> if you get 1 karma for translating 1 string in rosetta, uploading .po file with 100 translated stings should give you 100 karma
[13:02] <knome> "should"
[13:02] <knome> i mean, yeah, that's overkill
[13:03] <knome> and would be stupid because one can't track if it was really you who translated the strings
[13:03] <slickymaster> yeah, I do agree with you, it's not fair
[13:03] <knome> but... the karma system is broken :)
[13:07] <elfy> never mind - those with false karma will return as ants :p
[13:07] <knome> :P
[13:08] <knome> bah, i should go hunt for food
[13:08] <knome> in the supermarket
[13:08] <elfy> good luck - others will be hunting also
[13:09] <slickymaster> others recollecting
[13:09] <knome> not yet, so i should be fast
[13:09] <elfy> :)
[13:09] <knome> but i think i'm too lazy to be fast :P
[13:09] <slickymaster> :)
[13:14] <knome> bbl ->
[13:14] <zequence_> Hi. About the live session. Is yours working fine now?
[13:15] <elfy> zequence: nope - still waiting 
[13:15] <zequence> elfy: Ok, but you're only waiting for the changes by Unit193 to be uploaded?
[13:15] <zequence> I'm assuming those will fix it
[13:16] <zequence> I'm just about to make changes in ubuntustudio-default-settings to overcome the same problem
[13:16] <elfy> yea - that's the case for us 
[13:16] <zequence> Ok. Good. I'll go ahead and implement the fix for us as well
[14:39] <slickymaster> \away
[15:09] <knome> hey zequence, nice to see you around and active :)
[15:29] <ochosi> xnox: hey!
[15:34] <zequence> knome: Hi. Yeah, I've been sleeping for a while, maintaining linux-lowlatency mostly. Busy, busy. I'll be quite active for a while now.
[15:34] <zequence> Going to apply for upload rights now :)
[15:38] <knome> :)
[17:35] <sergio-br2> hello someone
[17:35] <elfy> hi
[17:36] <sergio-br2> i installed xubuntu trusty 2 times in a HP desktop, and it seems that it does not record well grub in HDD... 
[17:36] <sergio-br2> in the first time, i installed and after reboot, it goes direct to windows. No UEFI hardware, it is from 2011 i think.
[17:37] <sergio-br2> do you know what package i have to report bug?
[17:38] <elfy> grub2 perhaps
[17:38] <sergio-br2> if i use boot repair, grub is installed in machine. (i'm using the "Advanced instalation", or "Other", don't remember...)
[17:58] <slickymaster> elfy: are you near any Trusty box?
[17:59] <elfy> in front of one :p
[18:00] <slickymaster> can you please confirm, in Thunar, something?
[18:00] <elfy> yep
[18:01] <slickymaster> no need, silly me
[18:01] <elfy> ok :)
[18:01]  * slickymaster is getting dumb :P
[18:01] <elfy> lol
[18:09] <brainwash_> so the Mir guys are shifting their work towards unity8-mir and possible rootless x support for it
[18:10] <brainwash_> XMir seems to lose some ground
[18:11] <brainwash_> mainly because it's not used as default solution in 13.10/14.04
[18:25] <elfy> hi brainwash_ 
[18:26] <brainwash_> hey elfy 
[18:27] <brainwash_> elfy: the restricted AMD driver is now kernel 3.13 compatible
[18:29] <elfy> yay :)
[18:30] <slickymaster> brb for the meeting
[18:41] <sergio-br2> elfy, did you try nvidia-331-updates with this new kernel?
[18:49] <knome> anybody else able to chair today?
[18:49] <knome> i might need to leave quickly and thus i'd like somebody else to lead the meeting
[18:57] <knome> #startmeeting Xubuntu community meeting
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[18:57] <knome> i'm starting the meeting now because i might need to run at some point
[18:58] <ali1234> o/
[18:58] <ochosi> crap, i'll only be halfway here...
[18:58] <knome> say hi if you are around, and team leaders, stop lurking so i can make you chair the meeting
[18:58] <elfy> just finishing up 
[18:58] <slickymaster> o/
[18:58] <knome> elfy, like to chair?
[18:58] <jjfrv8> hi
[18:58] <knome> hey jjfrv8, or you ^
[18:58] <elfy> ~I hate to chair 
[18:58] <jjfrv8> no idea how
[18:58] <sergio-br2> hi
[18:58] <elfy> will if no-one else is about 
[18:58] <knome> jjfrv8, i can give you a quick tutorial
[18:59] <jjfrv8> maybe some other time?
[18:59] <knome> sure
[18:59] <knome> #chair elfy 
[18:59] <meetingology> Current chairs: elfy knome
[18:59] <knome> elfy, you can now #chair other people if they appear and i'm not here to do that.
[18:59] <elfy> k
[18:59] <knome> i guess i can start with the bureaucracy
[18:59] <knome> #topic Items carried on
[19:00] <knome> #subtopic Open action items from previous meeting
[19:00] <knome> #action     ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2 
[19:00] <meetingology> ACTION: ali1234 to keep an eye on SRU progress for indicator-sound-GTK2
[19:00] <knome> ali1234, ?
[19:00] <knome> ah poop
[19:00] <knome> brb
[19:00] <ali1234> it's in saucy-updates now, landed a couple of days ago
[19:00] <ochosi> congrats
[19:01] <elfy> here now - sergio-br2 I'll talk to you about nvidia after the meeting 
[19:02] <sergio-br2> ok
[19:02] <knome> ali1234, do you want to carry on that item?
[19:02] <ali1234> carry it on?
[19:02] <ali1234> it's fixed now afaik
[19:02] <knome> make it pop up in the next meeting
[19:02] <knome> okay, 
[19:02] <knome> #undo
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[19:02] <ali1234> i guess not
[19:02] <knome> #action     elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at 
[19:02] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to set up a new vm and get everyone's new bits in so I've got something to look at
[19:02] <knome> elfy, want to carry on or was that mostly a remark?
[19:03] <knome> have you got more things to test already?
[19:03] <elfy> was mostly a remark - I've been running with the ppas we have constantly now 
[19:03] <knome> #undo
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[19:03] <knome> okay
[19:03] <knome> #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late
[19:03] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff late
[19:03] <knome> #undo
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[19:03] <knome> #action ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week)
[19:03] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi and knome to come up with more testing stuff later (within a week)
[19:04] <knome> #action     knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position 
[19:04] <meetingology> ACTION: knome to be in touch with people re Tech Lead position
[19:04] <knome> TBD, carrying on
[19:04] <elfy> what testing stuff is that? ^^
[19:04] <knome> the things we are supposed to have
[19:04] <knome> we went through the -features BP, and i'm much better on top of that now
[19:04] <elfy> right - well if we can get that conversation in during the next week - then I'm currently on the week off cycle
[19:04] <knome> so basically the same, but i hope we'll have new versions and that kind of stuff soon
[19:05] <elfy> and can be about
[19:05] <knome> sure, will try to push towards that
[19:05] <knome> #action ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back 
[19:05] <meetingology> ACTION: ochosi to follow up on xfce 4.12 release with nick and report back
[19:05] <knome> ochosi, ?
[19:06] <elfy> come back to him :)
[19:06]  * knome slaps ochosi 
[19:06] <knome> #info Team members wanting things tested need to ensure a mail get's sent to the -dev list 
[19:06] <ochosi> mm, well, there have been a few releases
[19:06] <ochosi> but we're still waiting for the panel
[19:07] <knome> ochosi, no news about the final 4.12 release?
[19:07] <ochosi> not really
[19:07] <knome> oki
[19:07] <knome> #topic Team updates
[19:07] <knome> please use #info and #action as necessary
[19:07] <ochosi> (as there are still dev-releases missing and nick seems busy...)
[19:08] <knome> #info knome and ochosi went through https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-t-features, which now has updated whiteboard and work items statuses
[19:08] <knome> #info knome finished the finnish tranlsation for xubuntu docs
[19:08] <knome> #info knome worked on the website, new release planned soon
[19:08] <knome> #undo
[19:08] <meetingology> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Info object at 0x16f2890>
[19:08] <knome> #info knome worked on the website, refreshing release planned soon
[19:08] <ali1234> oh, the terminal crash fix also just went into saucy-updates :)
[19:09] <knome> ali1234, with #info please
[19:09] <knome> (and would be helpful if you can point to a bug number)
[19:09] <slickymaster> #info slickymaster finished the portuguese translation for xubuntu docs
[19:09] <slickymaster> bug 1206739
[19:09] <knome> #info ochosi and bluesabre worked on light-locker theming
[19:10] <knome> #info bugfix for 1206739 got into saucy-updates
[19:10] <ochosi> s/light-locker/lightdm-gtk-greeter/
[19:10] <knome> whatever! :P
[19:10] <ochosi> sry, something came up, gotta run...
[19:10] <ochosi> :/
[19:10] <knome> np
[19:11] <knome> will assign loads of tasks to you for that
[19:11] <knome> is there anything else?
[19:11] <ali1234> #info bugfix for 1208204 (indicator-sound-gtk2) also got into saucy-updates
[19:11] <elfy> #info work towards use of autopilot is still ongoing - but it's unlikely to get there this cycle
[19:11] <elfy> #info package testing moving on - calling for seperate sections every couple of weeks
[19:11] <elfy> #info checking of required testcases for each call being lined up by -qa
[19:11] <elfy> #info iso testing - moves forward as always
[19:12] <elfy> #info calls have been going out to -testers
[19:12] <elfy> #info calls having little effect on reported numbers
[19:12] <elfy> #action elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that
[19:12] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy and knome/ochosi to discuss lightlocker testing - perhaps include old post install testing in that
[19:12] <elfy> #info we need to be moving towards getting testcase for the other new stuff in the next week or so
[19:13] <knome> elfy, let's also discuss the future of -testers
[19:13] <elfy> #action elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome
[19:13] <meetingology> ACTION: elfy to discuss future of -testers with knome
[19:13] <knome> #info alpha 2 is in 2 weeks
[19:14] <elfy> if we still don't have a properly booting image then I see no point in doing it
[19:14] <knome> #info feature freeze is in 6 weeks
[19:14] <knome> elfy, what was holding it again? the session bug?
[19:14] <elfy> yep
[19:14] <knome> will get that updated
[19:15] <knome> /uploaded
[19:15] <elfy> ok
[19:15]  * knome promises, so it'll happen
[19:15] <knome> i will try to get the fix soon ASAP
[19:15] <knome> xnox, ^
[19:15] <elfy> #action knome will get session bug fix uploaded
[19:15] <meetingology> ACTION: knome will get session bug fix uploaded
[19:15] <elfy> :p
[19:15] <knome> anything else for the updates?
[19:15] <knome> elfy, works for me :P
[19:16] <knome> welcome Noskcaj 
[19:16] <knome> #topic Announcements
[19:16] <elfy> no more updates here
[19:16] <Noskcaj> hey knome 
[19:16] <Noskcaj> one sec
[19:16] <knome> #info slickymaster is applying for ubuntu membership, go give him testimonials at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster if you are familiar with his work
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info Noskcaj needs more testimonials for xubuntu packageset, add them at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Noskcaj#Xubuntu_PackageSet
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info Noskcaj is part-way through applyignfor motu and xubuntu packageset via email
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info libxfce4ui is waiting for a sponsor to upload it to trusty
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info debian will upload more 4.11 components this month
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info debian have fixed the power manager systemd issue in svn, it should be uploaded soon
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info gthumb 3.2.6 is now uploaded and web-plugins are re-enabled
[19:16] <Noskcaj> #info prpltwtr will release sometime this month
[19:17] <Noskcaj> #info Noskcaj is now on the bug control team
[19:17] <knome> Noskcaj, thanks
[19:18] <knome> other announcements from leaders?
[19:18] <elfy> no
[19:19] <knome> #topic New and emerging items
[19:19] <knome> #subtopic Which GTK3 indicators are we going to ship?
[19:19] <knome> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators
[19:19] <knome> ochosi wanted -power and -messages in
[19:19] <ali1234> ship ALL the indicators!
[19:20] <knome> yeah, i was wondering if there is any reason *not* to *ship* them all?
[19:20] <ali1234> actally yes there is
[19:20] <knome> well go ahead and tell us :)
[19:21] <ali1234> -datetime is probably not a good idea because of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1074314
[19:21] <ali1234> -session doesn't really work properly with light-locker and xfce-session stuff
[19:21] <ali1234> all the others seem okay though
[19:22] <knome> okay
[19:22] <brainwash_> -power needs to be patched to launch xfce4-power-manager, or?
[19:22] <elfy> only got 3 working here - messages/sound and the clock one 
[19:22] <ali1234> oh and shipping them == having them running in the default setup, unless you blacklist them
[19:22] <ali1234> i don't use power (not a laptop)
[19:23] <knome> brainwash_, i guess that's the case but afaik there's a fix incoming
[19:23] <knome> ali1234, yep, i acknowledge shipping is using :)
[19:23] <brainwash_> but aren't the current panel plugins more lightweight and stable?
[19:23] <ali1234> not really
[19:24] <ali1234> the sound plugin doesn't really work at all with PA, and there is no plugin for indicator-messages or -sync
[19:25] <knome> do we want to discuss this further or are we ok?
[19:25] <ali1234> bluman is kind of unmaintained now also
[19:25] <brainwash_> not talking about the ones which don't have a panel plugin equivalent
[19:25] <knome> we're going to need to switch to gtk3 indicators at some point anyway
[19:26] <knome> if not for other reasons, to avoid maintaining the whole gtk2 indicator stack
[19:26] <ali1234> well ignoring datetime, session, bluetooth, sound, messages... there is not much left really
[19:26] <knome> brainwash_, do you know for sure there is some problems with them, or are you just concerned about lightness?
[19:26] <ali1234> oh and -application is miles better than the notification plugin which doesn't work properly on dual monitor and never will
[19:27] <elfy> doesn't work here ali1234 
[19:27] <brainwash_> I don't have any numbers
[19:27] <knome> elfy, do you have a bug filed?
[19:27] <ali1234> elfy: because of that stupid upstart bug. it's being fixed
[19:27] <Noskcaj> ali1234, Blueman is semi-active again. https://github.com/cschramm/blueman
[19:27] <elfy> ali1234: right ok 
[19:27] <knome> ali1234, good to know
[19:28] <knome> anything else on the subject?
[19:28] <ali1234> i talked to tedg about it couple of days ago. apparently he has a plan
[19:28] <ali1234> i'll continue to follow up on that
[19:28] <knome> ali1234, thanks
[19:28] <knome> #action ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status
[19:28] <meetingology> ACTION: ali1234 follows up on gtk3 indicator status
[19:28] <knome> #subtopic Enabling more people to push to Xubuntu branches
[19:28] <sergio-br2> blueman is much better than the bluetooth thing of gnome... will it be change?
[19:28] <knome> so, we discussed this briefly with ochosi...
[19:28] <sergio-br2> ops, sorry
[19:28] <knome> sergio-br2, that's not the question:)
[19:29] <knome> currently, only people in -dev can push to xubuntu branches
[19:29] <knome> we were wondering if it was possible to allow more people to push into the branches
[19:29] <knome> either via creating a new team, like -branches, or assigning them to -team
[19:29] <knome> micahg, do you have any insight on this?
[19:29] <knome> (are you even around?)
[19:30] <elfy> so - -dev is effectively just micahg atm ?
[19:30] <knome> elfy, yes
[19:30] <Noskcaj> elfy, Yup
[19:30] <Noskcaj> And all of core-dev
[19:30] <elfy> thought that was the case
[19:30] <knome> we're looking to get more people in -dev though, but even then...
[19:31] <elfy> yep - it's an issue for sure
[19:31] <knome> i mean -team is already moderated, and we have some amount of trust for the members already
[19:31] <knome> so we don't expect them to do foolish things with the branches
[19:31]  * Noskcaj needs a testimonial from knome 
[19:31] <elfy> knome: I can agree with that 
[19:31] <slickymaster> +1
[19:32] <knome> if -dev members or DMB thinks we can't allow -team to push to branches, we should look at creating a new team which would have push rights, but a bit looser membership requirements than -dev
[19:32] <knome> but i guess we need to postpone this, because neither ochosi or micahg are around
[19:32] <knome> Noskcaj, i can only give a non-technical one, but i will do that once i have time
[19:32] <knome> Noskcaj, (and can clear my thoughts for it)
[19:33] <knome> #subtopic Schedule next meeting 
[19:33] <Noskcaj> knome, ty
[19:33] <elfy> knome: maybe set up a specific meeting for you ochosi and micahg - not really something we should leave hanging
[19:33] <knome> #info Next meeting Jan 16, 19UTC
[19:33] <elfy> and those interested of course
[19:33] <knome> elfy, will be in touch with them, but want to get it through the community meeting :)
[19:33] <elfy> :)
[19:33] <knome> #endmeeting
[19:33] <meetingology> Meeting ended Thu Jan  9 19:34:00 2014 UTC.  
[19:33] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-09-18.57.moin.txt
[19:33] <meetingology> Minutes (html):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-01-09-18.57.html
[19:33] <knome> ta
[19:34] <elfy> ty knome 
[19:34] <slickymaster> thanks knome 
[19:34] <Noskcaj> What did i miss at the start of the meeting?
[19:34] <Unit193> libxfce4ui is already in Trusty proper.
[19:34] <elfy> slickymaster: when we're doing qa updates and you see I've missed something - #info it please
[19:34] <elfy> Unit193: I got that yesterday I think
[19:34] <slickymaster> sure elfy 
[19:35] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, I'm applying for Ubuntu Membership on the meeting that will be held on February 6th, 2014 at 22:00:00 UTC, so if  you feel I'm worthy please drop a line or two, as a testimonial, in my wiki page -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/slickymaster
[19:35] <Noskcaj> slickymaster, Already did
[19:35] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, thanks a lot
[19:36] <Noskcaj> no problem, you should probably apply for bug control too
[19:36] <knome> Noskcaj, updated the minutes at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
[19:36] <Noskcaj> ok
[19:36] <knome> and should now be up
[19:36] <knome> pastefail
[19:36] <slickymaster> Noskcaj, yeah, I think you're right. I'll discuss it with you later on
[19:37] <elfy> knome: I wondered :p
[19:38] <Unit193> Next meeting: http://goo.gl/gBilVw
[19:39] <slickymaster> hey Unit193 
[19:39] <Unit193> Howdy.
[19:42] <knome> pleia2, went an updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/TeamReports/14/January
[19:42] <knome> pleia2, and pointed /Current there
[19:45] <knome> jjfrv8, while we are working on the "what's new" doc, we should look at updating http://xubuntu.org/tour/
[19:45] <GridCube> D: that was a quick meeting
[19:45] <knome> jjfrv8, and possible take a stab at http://xubuntu.org/about/
[19:46] <knome> jjfrv8, i'm drafting a new theme for the website at http://xstaging.lallinaho.fi/, and we can easily give other links the same bold style as the "download now" -link has
[19:46] <knome> jjfrv8, (tbe, we can make that even more bold, and i should look into that)
[19:48] <slickymaster> afk
[20:07] <elfy> sergio-br2: you still about?
[20:08] <elfy> sergio-br2: the nvidia I installed yesterday on the other partition was NOT the updates one - but it was the new kernel
[20:09] <elfy> other than the issue I did the bug for it worked ok - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442
[20:19] <ochosi> ok, i'm back
[20:19] <ochosi> too late i guess :/
[20:19] <elfy> wb ochosi :)
[20:19] <Unit193> knome: fi/media-apps.xml:332: element menuchoice: validity error : Element menuchoice content does not follow the DTD, expecting (shortcut? , (guibutton | guiicon | guilabel | guimenu | guimenuitem | guisubmenu | interface)+), got (CDATA guimenuitem)  You have a <guimenuitem/> and it doesn't seem to like that.
[20:19] <Noskcaj> wb ochosi 
[20:21] <ochosi> ok, i gotta read the backlog now...
[20:21] <ochosi> if there's important stuff, feel free to ping me directly
[20:21] <elfy> ochosi: the logs are up already if you want to see the thousands of things we actioned you with :p
[20:21] <knome> Unit193, egh, i thought i had those in order
[20:22] <ochosi> knome: good time to read #xfce-dev
[20:25] <Unit193> fi.po:1584
[20:27] <ochosi> brainwash_: i've filed a merge-request for indicator-power today about xfce4-powerman integration
[20:27] <ochosi> there's really not much we need, it's a few lines, that tiny patch...
[20:39] <knome> ochosi, lurking
[20:41] <ochosi> actually the important stuff was nick asking about our plans
[20:41] <ochosi> and that's over :)
[20:46] <elfy> night
[20:51] <Unit193> knome: Thanks for that though, showed me a 'bug'
[20:57] <Noskcaj> New taskmanager is now uploaded
[20:59] <knome> Unit193, :)
[20:59] <knome> Unit193, what about the translator credits?
[20:59] <Unit193> Pasi, FI; and David, PT. :P
[20:59] <knome> the string launchpad creates is stupid, because it'll output the strings after each other, not in a <li>
[21:00] <knome> oh bah, i need to poke at a wordpress plugin >__<
[21:00] <Unit193> I have no idea, I didn't do any translation things.
[21:01] <knome> if you type "translator-credits" as is in a <para>, the translations will have a list of people who contributed via launchpad
[21:01] <knome> but as i said, that's not formatted nicely
[21:02] <knome> do you think it's too hackish to create a string that says "Contributors to this translation are:", then another that lists people?
[21:02] <knome> and translate that to null in en
[21:02] <knome> and then just tell translators to translate the first message to their language and update the second one when new contributors pop up
[21:03] <knome> brb, will boot the desktop machine to be able to *work*
[21:03] <Unit193> Eh, I should be doing other stuff.
[22:02] <sergio-br2> elfy, sorry, i'm here now
[22:03] <sergio-br2> but nvidia-331 and nvidia-331-updates is the same, now, don't?
[22:04] <sergio-br2> elfy, and the other bug, with nouveau? I tested today, same behavior
[22:05] <sergio-br2> with the new kernel