[00:00] <pero> fibz_: tried that but it resets on reboot and some apps dont recognize it (hexchat for one)
[00:02] <fibz_> check your logs and make sure its shutting down properly. and not spitting out errors
[00:04] <pRookie> I was looking "dmesg", "kern.log", "syslog", ... but it's so complicated and hardware oriented stuff.
[00:04] <fibz_> see errors?
[00:04] <pero> fibz_: which logs?
[00:04] <fibz_> syslog and dmesg
[00:04] <pRookie> I found the following statement on one forum: " Seriously. It's not physically possible for linux to record a log after the "Unmounting local filesystems" message."
[00:04] <pRookie> Is this true?
[00:05] <pRookie> Both logs.
[00:05] <knome> pretty sure, because no there is no access to the filesystems
[00:06] <pRookie> I tried Xubuntu on another laptop (IBM Thinkpad) and shutdown works fine. On mine HP Compaq nx7300 it stucks so I have to press the power every time to shut it down.
[00:07] <pRookie> When I press Escape during shutdown I see one message line with status [Failed]. I hoped that I can see it in some logs and examine it further.
[00:11] <pRookie> I'll make shutdown now and take the log with my camera ... it's the safest method I can think off. :)
[00:11] <pRookie> Thanks fibz_ and knome for help.
[00:21] <pero> fibz_: nothing sticks out
[00:22] <pero> has anyone else successfully set chromium as their default browser and had that survive a reboot?
[00:23] <fibz_> last time i used chrome, it set it's self as deafult and i had to go in and change it back to firefox
[00:23] <pero> i've also set it as default from within
[00:25] <fibz_> only times i've had problems like this was because i was running ext2 and ubuntu doesnt seem to shut down cleanly when run from ext2
[00:25] <pero> i also cant get it to refer magnet links to transmission
[00:25] <pero> im using ext4
[00:26] <fibz_> point being, problem was that is wasnt shutting down properly and changes werent being saved across reboots.
[00:26] <pero> it shuts down ok
[00:28] <fibz_> if theres nothing in the logs, then i don't know where to troubleshoot from here, sorry
[00:31] <pero> no worries, fibz_
[00:31] <fibz_> i cant even install chrome. keeps telling me "wrong architecture"
[00:31] <fibz_> tried i386 and a64
[00:31] <fibz_> downloaded both twice
[00:38] <pero> chromium not chrome
[00:38] <pero> apt-get install chromium-browser
[00:39] <fibz_> this whole time i thought we were talking chrome
[00:44] <fibz_> when chromium is default on my system, it's listed as "Debian Sensible Browser" in default applications
[00:47] <pero> fibz_: i have an option for that, firefox and chromium; hexchat opens links in firefox no matter what i set it to
[00:52] <delt> here's a good one: how do i remap the windowz-logo key to alt_L? xmodmap seems to "half work" for this task.....
[00:52] <delt> i mean, it works with, say, the Z key... why not with the winlogo key?
[00:53] <delt> ie. xev reports it as alt, but winlogo+f4 for example, doesn't close current window
[00:56] <kRush> pero, try https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xfce#xdg-open_integration_.28Preferred_Applications.29
[00:57] <fibz_> windows key is mapped as Super or Super_R and Super_L
[00:57] <delt> cd /usr/bin && ln -sf chromium firefox .....?
[00:58] <delt> just an idea =)
[00:58] <pero> kRush: xdg-open is working correctly
[00:58] <delt> fibz_: yeah, this xmodmap thing is weird :/
[00:59] <fibz_> for help with hexchat there is also #hechat
[00:59] <fibz_> #hexchat
[00:59] <delt> fibz: this xmodmap entry look good to you?
[00:59] <delt> keycode 133 = Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L
[01:00] <delt> someone on #xfce mentioned something about first unmapping what was already on the key before remapping it..... any idea what he might mean?
[01:01] <fibz_> yeah, if i have Super_L mapped to app launcher, i cant use Super_L as a shortcut for anything else as Super_L app launcher mapping takes precedence
[01:01] <elfy> pero: try manually editing the hexchat urlhandlers.conf file - after you've closed hexchat
[01:04] <pero> elfy: dont have such a file...
[01:05] <elfy> aaah ok - maybe I've got one because I was having trouble getting url's to open properly so did one
[01:05] <elfy> ages past since I did it - most of my hexchat configs are backed up xchat ones
[01:05] <delt> fibz_: yeah, but i remapped the keycode to alt_L and still it doesn't work
[01:05] <pero> can you msg me the contnts?
[01:06] <elfy> mine is for firefox
[01:06] <fibz_> delt, alt_L is likely bound somewhere. check settings editor
[01:06] <pero> im curious about the syntax
[01:07] <delt> yeah, i want the windows key to be a complete alias of alt_L
[01:07] <pero> should be easy to change the reference to chromium, no?
[01:07] <delt> fibz_: but like i mentioned, alt+f4 closes a window, winkey+f4 does not
[01:07] <elfy> guess so - in menu Settings - URL HAndler - give new name then command I've got is    !firefox -a firefox -remote 'openURL(%s,new-tab)'
[01:08] <elfy> pero: ^^
[01:08] <delt> even though xev reports winkey as alt
[01:08] <elfy> xev reports winkey as Super_L here
[01:08] <delt> yeah i remapped it
[01:08] <delt> or attempted to
[01:09] <elfy> oic - half asleep - not reading pages of backlog ;)
[01:10] <delt> elfy: this xmodmap entry look good to you?
[01:10] <delt> keycode 133 = Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L Alt_L
[01:11] <elfy> delt: it's years since I needed to do anything like that - I really can't remember
[01:14] <delt> heh, i tried a dummy mapping in the keyboard prefs - xfce sees straight through it. Maps as Super_L + whatever key
[01:14] <pero> elfy: yeah, tht doens't make any sense to me unfortunately
[01:14] <delt> uh... <super> + whatever key
[01:14] <fibz_> delt, your keyboard mapping could be different. have you verified the keycode for your windows key?
[01:15] <elfy> pero: have you found the url handler thing in settings?
[01:15] <delt> fibz_: yeah, that's how i figured out it was keycode 133
[01:15] <pero> yeah, i glanced over it in itially but now i see there is a URL Handlers option in Settings
[01:15] <pero> no clue what to do next
[01:16] <elfy> pero: http://imagebin.org/285787
[01:16] <delt> fibz_: plus xev says exactly the same thing, except with the windows key, this line is present:     XKeysymToKeycode returns keycode: 64
[01:16] <delt> 64 being the keyocode of alt_L
[01:17] <pero> elfy: i want chromium...
[01:17] <elfy> pero: not sure what the command is for chromium - chromium-browser I think - try it in a terminal
[01:17] <pero> i've changed what was there initially - which was different than what you have - to chromium but no luck
[01:17] <fibz_> http://askubuntu.com/questions/137172/how-to-remap-superleft-key-to-control-key
[01:17] <elfy> pero: I thought it's chromium-browser
[01:17] <fibz_> supposedly thats it
[01:27] <delt> on a desktop keyboard i usually just rip this key out
[01:28] <fibz_> manual rewire?  :)
[01:34] <delt> i got it
[01:34] <delt> I GOT IT!!!!
[01:34] <delt> just had to remove the key from the "mod4" uh... list, or what appears to be =)
[01:35] <fibz_> there we go
[01:35] <elfy> oops - read that - meant to tell you - sorry
[01:35] <delt> anyway now my windowz key is a perfect alias of the alt_L key!!
[02:01] <xubuntu528> Hello - I recently installed Xubuntu on my Dell Dimension 2400 PC
[02:01] <xubuntu528> I am having issues with flash content - Some videos are displaying improperly (purple and green colors, distorted video)
[02:50] <crazyontech1> guys, just learned about this channel. Anyway, installed Xubuntu 12.04 64-bit on my desktop (kernel at 3.2.0.58), and have been getting random but regular system freezes (mouse, keyboard, display not responding at all). Sometimes temporarily, sometimes permanently hangs the OS. anyone encountered this and found a solution? thanks.
[03:00] <crazyontech1> anyone?
[03:01] <kRush> can you still vtswitch when that happens?
[03:04] <crazyontech> hi, when it is in the freeze state, i cannot do anything.
[03:04] <crazyontech> sometimes, it's temporary and i can go back to work
[03:05] <crazyontech> on rare occasions, it permanently freezes and i would need to power off/on my system
[03:06] <crazyontech> i realize it could be a lot of factors though
[03:07] <crazyontech> just checking if anyone's encountered this and probably could point me somewhere
[03:11] <delt> uh.... wut... there's no SKYPE in the official packages?
[03:18] <delt> could someone recommend a good skype client?
[03:38] <Unit193> delt: There is only Skype.
[03:38] <Unit193> !info skype partner
[03:38] <Unit193> !partner
[04:01] <delt> :( .... *sigh* ok, thanks for the help guys
[06:57] <bingo> Hello. The task-bar is not showing an icon for an active VPN connection. How can i fix this? Thank you
[07:07] <bingo> the icon would be a lock, i believe
[07:39] <Traumfabrik_> Good morning
[07:39] <Traumfabrik_> i am new to linux, wanted to install something and get this error
[07:39] <Traumfabrik_> error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: no such file or directory
[07:40] <Traumfabrik_> google does not help, does anybody know what to do ?
[07:40] <fibz_> sounds like a bad installer
[07:40] <fibz_> either the ISO file got corrupter or the install medium is in bad shape
[07:40] <well_laid_lawn> sounds like it isn't an app from the package manager
[07:41] <Traumfabrik_> i used windows and mac os and totally out of my depth here
[07:41] <Traumfabrik_> how can i fix it ?
[07:41] <fibz_> read it wrong. though he was installing. probably need to enable software sources
[07:41] <Traumfabrik_> i am sure you  are perfectly clear to someone that is competent
[07:41] <fibz_> are you installing an app in the market?
[07:42] <Traumfabrik_> no, i was trying to install a mining program, and then with a command check if my cards are correctly seen i guess
[07:42] <fibz_> cgminer?
[07:42] <Traumfabrik_> yes
[07:43] <Traumfabrik_> the command is ./cgminer -n
[07:43] <Traumfabrik_> used terminal for the first time a couple of hours ago and did not know what ssh was, to give you an idea :)
[07:44] <Traumfabrik_> is there a simple way to fix it ?
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> the probably needs a newer or older version of udev
[07:45] <Traumfabrik_> what is udev ?
[07:45] <fibz_> there was some one in here working on this earlier
[07:45] <well_laid_lawn> did you check the dependancies for it ?
[07:45] <Traumfabrik_> tell me how to do it and i will
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> where did you get the app from ?
[07:46] <well_laid_lawn> check the dependancies there
[07:46] <Traumfabrik_> hm i downloaded it
[07:46] <Traumfabrik_> directly from the website
[07:46] <Traumfabrik_> iwithsome wget command or something
[07:47] <well_laid_lawn> what's the url ?
[07:48] <fibz_> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gw7YPYgMgNNU42skibULbJJUx_suP_CpjSEdSi8_z9U/edit?pli=1
[07:48] <Traumfabrik_> http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/3.7/
[07:48] <fibz_> thats where most people are comming in from it seems
[07:49] <Traumfabrik_> i use the 3.7.2
[07:49] <Traumfabrik_> yes i looked at that too but chose the last version
[07:49] <well_laid_lawn> do you have a 64bit install or 32bit?
[07:49] <Traumfabrik_> 64
[07:50] <fibz_> there is a #cgminer channel
[07:50] <fibz_> i've never used it
[07:51] <Traumfabrik_> i will try, i am just totally lost and want to get it working :(
[07:51] <fibz_> i read that guide and lost interest  :P
[07:52] <well_laid_lawn> what has happened is the app was built needing a certain version of udev, you have a different version
[07:53] <Traumfabrik_> so, should i just switch back to an older version of the app ?
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> you could try that
[07:53] <well_laid_lawn> which xubuntu version are you using?
[07:53] <fibz_> that guide recommends 2.9.5
[07:53] <Traumfabrik_> ok i will , any other suggestion, btw thank yo very much :)
[07:54] <Traumfabrik_> if you need poker advice ^^
[07:56] <Traumfabrik_> this ssh thing is really neat :)
[07:57] <fibz_> :)
[08:00] <Traumfabrik_> error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[08:00] <Traumfabrik_> same thing
[08:00] <Traumfabrik_> with the version 2.9.5 recommended
[08:01] <well_laid_lawn> that's one of the main problems of downloading prebuilt binaries on linux
[08:02] <well_laid_lawn> if you could get the source code and build it that would fix it
[08:02] <fibz_> ^
[08:02] <well_laid_lawn> try in #cgminer
[08:03] <Traumfabrik_> nobody answering there
[08:03] <Traumfabrik_> i found something on the page
[08:03] <Traumfabrik_> maybe this helps
[08:03] <Traumfabrik_> BUILDING CGMINER FOR YOURSELF  DEPENDENCIES: Mandatory: 	pkg-config		http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/pkg-config 	libtool			http://www.gnu.org/software/libtool/ Optional: 	curl dev library 	http://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/ 	(libcurl4-openssl-dev - Must tell configure --disable-libcurl otherwise 	it will attempt to compile it in)  	curses dev library 	(libncurses5-dev or libpdcurses on WIN32 for text user interface)  	libude
[08:05] <Traumfabrik_> does that makes things clearer in any way ?
[08:06] <well_laid_lawn> no
[08:07] <Traumfabrik_> there is this mandatory lib thing
[08:07] <Traumfabrik_> libtool
[08:07] <Traumfabrik_> maybe installing that would solve it ß
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> that's for building it
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> nothing to do with libudev versions
[08:07] <well_laid_lawn> grab the source and build it to see
[08:09] <Traumfabrik_> where can i get the source code ?
[08:09] <well_laid_lawn> where did you get the info on building it ?
[08:10] <Traumfabrik_> direclty on the site
[08:10] <Traumfabrik_> http://ck.kolivas.org/apps/cgminer/
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> should mention the source for the source there
[08:11] <well_laid_lawn> or have a look at the topic in #cgminer
[08:12] <well_laid_lawn> that page mentions a git tree
[08:14] <Traumfabrik_> https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> there you go
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> !git
[08:14] <well_laid_lawn> you use git kinda like wget
[08:14] <Traumfabrik_> by mindlessly copying it from a page and crossing my fingers ? ^^
[08:15] <well_laid_lawn> no
[08:15] <well_laid_lawn> there should be a readme on the git page
[08:16] <Traumfabrik_> yes
[08:16] <Traumfabrik_> found it
[08:16] <Traumfabrik_>  :)
[08:16] <Traumfabrik_> If building from git: 	autoconf 	automake
[09:05] <Guest9846> redgrass83
[09:35] <bingo> the pn lock icon for the taskbar is gone, can i get it back?
[09:35] <bingo> vpn*
[12:32] <xubuntu921> hi guys, I'm in desperate need of help. btc donation to someone who is kind enough to help
[12:33] <elfy> !ask ! xubuntu921
[12:33] <cfhowlett> !details
[12:33] <elfy> ha - failbot
[12:34] <xubuntu921> hi guys I'm running Xubuntu and I'm trying to install drivers for 6X R9 280x GPUs
[12:34] <xubuntu921> I'm having trouble
[12:34] <xubuntu921> is anyone able to help me with this?
[12:35] <ochosi> well for even trying you'd have to describe your problem...
[12:36] <xubuntu921> Ok, well first of all I have the .run file but I can't seem to execute it
[12:36] <xubuntu921> once I have downloaded the driver file, how am I to execute it?
[12:38] <cfhowlett> xubuntu921, the site you downloaded from should provide a READ ME or instructions for installation
[12:40] <well_laid_lawn> try   sh ./.run
[12:41] <well_laid_lawn> it's probably a ./run file though
[14:03] <aurum> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 from unetbootin usb drive. All I get is a blue screen with xubuntu, lake & bird and no login box. How can I fix this? TIA
[14:04] <aurum> P.S., this is my first exposure to linux.
[14:59] <aurum> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 from unetbootin usb drive. All I get is a blue screen with xubuntu, lake & bird and no login box.  How can I fix this?  P.S., this is my first exposure to linux. TIA
[15:21] <holstein> aurum: if its your first exposure, i would try something more "stock".. burn a cd, and try it without unetbootin.. try installing it in virtualbox in windows or OSX
[15:21] <holstein> aurum: you would be having an issue with the iso you downloaded having a bad sum.. could be usb issues, or something with graphics
[15:21] <Sysi> unetbootin is pretty much stock
[15:23] <Sysi> if installation was succesfull stick should be okay, but of course it's worth trying to remake the stick and reinstall
[15:23] <holstein> still.. the iso is not created to boot on unetbootin.. and it can be problematic. could be a bad stick.. i usually just fresh format before making unetbootin sticks
[15:23] <Sysi> or you could try 13.10
[15:23] <Sysi> 12.04 should work fine with unetbootin, I think 13.10 has problems
[15:24] <holstein> i dont think the issue is with unet either.. but, first time out, that could be something that was implemented improperly
[16:04] <ack_> Does anyone know about event sounds in xfce 12.04?
[16:17] <aurum> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 from unetbootin usb drive. All I get is a blue screen with xubuntu, lake & bird and no login box.  How can I fix this?  P.S., this is my first exposure to linux. TIA
[16:43] <aurum> Hi, I just installed Xubuntu 12.04 from unetbootin usb drive. All I get is a blue screen with xubuntu, lake & bird and no login box.  How can I fix this?  P.S., this is my first exposure to linux. TIA
[16:45] <elfy> aurum: this is the logs from earlier - see 15:21 http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/01/09/%23xubuntu.html#t15:21
[17:10] <aurum> Thx elfy. It was a new Kingston 8 GB usb drive with a fresh FAT32 format. I let Unetbootin download the iso so I'll try again using 12.04 iso from xubuntu.com
[18:09] <jarnos> aurum, did you get help already for 16:17(UTC) message?
[18:46] <aurum> jarnos, yes. It appears Unetbootin loaded the wrong 12.04 iso. I DLed 12.04.03 from Xubunto.org and I'm now almost done installing solo on my 30 GB SSD. This thing looks great! Who needs microsoft?
[19:16] <Orioa> can anyone tell me how to change log in background..i tried editing the greeter also tride to change it using ubntu tweak nothing seems to work
[20:31] <xubuntu495> hi
[20:31] <xubuntu495> anyone here ? Got a problem installing a Lexmark X2670
[20:31] <xubuntu495> any help will be apreciated
[20:31] <holstein> !printing
[20:31] <xubuntu495> I have Xubuntu 13.10
[20:32] <holstein> could be that it doesnt support linux.. have you tried setting it up in the GUI?
[20:32] <xubuntu495> the GUI does not work
[20:32] <holstein> xubuntu495: the printer GUI doesnt start?
[20:32] <xubuntu495> it starts , but got error
[20:32] <xubuntu495> and managed to manually put te drivers
[20:32] <xubuntu495> the
[20:33] <holstein> xubuntu495: share anything you feel might be relevant or helpful, like what *exactly* you have done and how.. and where you "put the drivers"
[20:33] <xubuntu495> and from the System - Printers - Add
[20:33] <holstein> more importantly, where you got them from
[20:33] <xubuntu495> from the lexmark official page
[20:33] <holstein> xubuntu495: do they offer support?
[20:34] <xubuntu495> the drivers is with problem I got to make some modifications to the control from the deb file
[20:35] <xubuntu495> when I used dpkg -i  the deb file, but a space in control and I edited that
[20:35] <xubuntu495> but after that, the driver installed
[20:35] <xubuntu495> when I installed in the Printers, I got a cups error
[20:35] <xubuntu495> and a problem with a file permission
[20:36] <holstein> xubuntu495: what errors?
[20:36] <holstein> xubuntu495: what file?
[20:37] <xubuntu495> the /usr /local/lemark/lxk08/bin/printdriver
[20:38] <xubuntu495> insecure premission
[20:38] <xubuntu495> i did it to root privileges
[20:38] <xubuntu495> and chmod 755 to it ... nothing
[20:38] <holstein> xubuntu495: what do the directions say to do?
[20:38] <xubuntu495> what directions ?
[20:38] <holstein> xubuntu495: that came with the package from the manufacturer
[20:39] <xubuntu495> none ..
[20:39] <xubuntu495> The printer gives this : Idle - File "/usr/local/lexmark/lxk08/bin/printdriver" has insecure permissions (0100775/uid=0/gid=1)
[20:39] <holstein> xubuntu495: look and see if there are any instructions where you got the file from.. otherwise, let them know its broken.. could be, it has dependencies or needs an older kernel
[20:40] <ack_> Does anyone know how to set event sounds in 12.04?
[20:40] <xubuntu495> it can be ... only for 12.04 ? And not for 13.10 ?
[20:40] <holstein> xubuntu495: it can be whatever they make it for
[20:40] <holstein> xubuntu495: could be for something more like 10.04
[20:41] <xubuntu495> yes ... that is supported for
[20:41] <xubuntu495> from the driver page is stated :
[20:41] <holstein> xubuntu495: then, i wouldnt expect a 10.04 driver to work with 13.10
[20:42] <xubuntu495> Operating Systems:  Ubuntu 9.04, Ubuntu 9.10, Ubuntu 10.04, Ubuntu 10.10, Debian 6.0, Debian GNU/Linux 4.0, Debian GNU/Linux 5.0, Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
[20:42] <xubuntu495> :(
[20:42] <holstein> xubuntu495: there you go.. thats what they support, officially
[20:42] <xubuntu495> so no luck with that ?
[20:42] <holstein> xubuntu495: luck is not relevant. its not made for the operating system you are using
[20:42] <xubuntu495> I can not do anything to make it work ? ..
[20:43] <xubuntu495> damn
[20:43] <xubuntu495> thanks for the info ...
[20:43] <holstein> xubuntu495: you likely wont be able to use that package on another operating system
[20:43] <holstein> xubuntu495: that doest mean you cant support the printer
[20:43] <xubuntu495> ?
[20:43] <holstein> xubuntu495: it means, purge the package that is not intended for the OS you are using
[20:43] <xubuntu495> but they did not give another deb package ..
[20:44] <holstein> xubuntu495: then, you can ask support for support for the operatin system you are using, or just try and set it up on your own
[20:44] <holstein> xubuntu495: what i usually do, is try some printer drivers that are close to the same model
[20:44] <xubuntu495> but are for 13.10
[20:44] <ack_> Can 12.04 do event sounds?
[20:44] <holstein> ack_: yes
[20:44] <holstein> ack_: nothing about 12.04 is preventing that
[20:44] <holstein> ack_: do you have audio working? in general?
[20:45] <ack_> holstein, yes
[20:45] <xubuntu495> I see ... But if I use Xubuntu 10.10 I will have problems with my Mobile Internet ... that is not supporte ..
[20:45] <holstein> xubuntu495: im not suggesting 10.10
[20:45] <holstein> xubuntu495: 10.10 is EOL
[20:45] <xubuntu495> yeap
[20:46] <holstein> xubuntu495: im suggesting.. specifically.. remove the pacakge you installed which is not approprate for the operating system you are suing
[20:46] <holstein> using*
[20:46] <holstein> xubuntu495: then, open the GUI and try a few drivers for models that are close to the same
[20:46] <xubuntu495> ... and ?
[20:46] <xubuntu495> and supported
[20:46] <xubuntu495> from the Xubuntu library
[20:46] <holstein> xubuntu495: they will be listed there..
[20:46] <xubuntu495> database
[20:46] <ack_> I want to disable event sounds
[20:47] <xubuntu495> I see ...
[20:47] <xubuntu495> I will try and give it a try this way ... maybe I will have luck
[20:47] <xubuntu495> Otherwise ... I will need a new printer :)
[20:47] <xubuntu495> with support for 13.10
[20:48] <xubuntu495> thank you for your help !
[20:49] <holstein> ack_: are you talking about a system beep? or actual sounds from the audio device?
[20:50] <ack_> When clicking and opening files or start applications....
[20:50] <holstein> ack_: i dont get those.. so, what are you referring to? are you using stock xubuntu?
[20:51] <ack_> holstein, no someone put them in...
[20:51] <holstein> ack_: who? and how?
[20:52] <ack_> The tech. guy here at the office.  The sounds are annoying.
[20:53] <ack_> Every click of the mouse plays a different music sample.
[20:53] <holstein> ack_: those could be setup in a way that you are not able to turn them off
[20:54] <holstein> ack_: why not ask "the tech guy" if this is not your system?
[20:54] <ack_> holstein, he showed me and I forget how to do it.  It is another person that wonders how I got rid of them!
[20:55] <holstein> should be something like "System -> Administration -> Sounds"
[20:55] <ack_> holstein, she wants me to do the same to her desktop as mine is.
[20:55] <holstein> could be much more comples
[20:55] <holstein> complex*
[20:57] <ack_> holstein, ahh.  I go to system but don't see administration.
[20:57] <holstein> ack_: you really need to ask the person who set it up
[20:57] <ack_> holstein, yes.  thanks...
[20:57] <holstein> ack_: i mean, you know there are settings, if you have already set them, so you dont need to ask if xubuntu has those settings
[20:57] <ack_> holstein, have a nice day!
[20:58] <holstein> ack_: those can really be implemented in different ways..
[23:24] <simplisity> xubuntu is my new favorite desktop. very sad it too me so long to discover it
[23:25] <simplisity> will there be an ability to smoothly upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04, or should i do a clean install when it comes out?
[23:27] <holstein> simplisity: yes.. you will be able to upgade 13.10 to 14.04.. and most would suggest, and i prefer, a fresh install
[23:28] <simplisity> holstein, ok thanks. i suppose i can RTFM on how to preserve my panel/desktop settings?
[23:29] <simplisity> i cant believe my avg CPU has been about 4% now, when before on 12.04 Unity, it was usually around 25%
[23:31] <simplisity> also loving the XFCE PulseAudio audio config GUI app. much superior
[23:46] <sergio-br2> simplisity, average temperature in xubuntu is less, here, than in ubuntu :)
[23:47] <sergio-br2> xubuntu: 41~43 ºC
[23:47] <holstein> simplisity: the upgrade should preserve most settings.. the settings will be in your user /home
[23:47] <David-A> simplisity: personal settings is in so called dot-files in your home directory. they should be kept automatically when you do an upgrade. if you do a fresh install, just make sure you keep you home directory somehow (having a separate partition, or a backup, or manual partitioning during install)
[23:47] <sergio-br2> ubuntu: 46~50 ºC
[23:48] <simplisity> David-A, i usually just copy over the dotfiles that I need. i wasnt sure if copying over all of them might cause problems in the upgrade
[23:50] <simplisity> i tried ubuntu+xfce4, ubuntu+xubuntu-desktop, mint-xfce, and xubuntu... i didnt think the different between all those options would be so big, but there definitely is a huge difference
[23:51] <holstein> xubuntu *is* ubuntu with xfce4.. there are some customizations that make it specialized
[23:51] <sergio-br2> simplisity, in cpu % ?
[23:51] <simplisity> cpu, stability, and ui/ux
[23:52] <sergio-br2> yeah, in ubuntu compiz and xorg is the top cpu usage in top command
[23:52] <simplisity> ubuntu+xfce4 just looked really bad to me. ubuntu+xubuntu_desktop was a major CPU hog and crashed a lot.  mint-xfce was very unstable for me.  xubuntu just seems to work perfectly
[23:54] <sergio-br2> try xubuntu 14.04, it's going better
[23:54] <simplisity> yeah im excited about it
[23:54] <sergio-br2> some annoying bugs are fixed
[23:54] <holstein> simplisity: xubuntu *is* ubuntu with the xubuntu-desktop metapackage.. it would be more likely you tried different versions.. like 12.04 ubuntu with xfce vs 13.10 xubuntu on your hardware
[23:56] <simplisity> yes i did try different versions so that is possible
[23:57] <simplisity> but, i can say that a fresh install of mint-xfce latest was disastrous
[23:57] <simplisity> heh
[23:57] <simplisity> i wanted so much for it to work
[23:58] <holstein> let them know.. last time i checked, it worked as expected.. could be something to do with that particular version which might be based on the version of ubuntu you are having issues with
[23:59] <simplisity> i was planning on filing some tickets... my understanding was that they are under-resourced so they are now basing mint-xfce on debian and no longer on ubuntu.. not sure, but if that is true maybe it could explain the poor hardware support i was seeing?