| gary_poster | huwshimi: hey. https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/calendar/Z2FyeS5wb3N0ZXJAY2Fub25pY2FsLmNvbQ.87augjtfc2pm1q1ilfuhencae0 when you are ready | 00:02 |
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| huwshimi | gary_poster: I'm guessing you can't hear me? | 00:03 |
| gary_poster | huwshimi: I can't even see that you have joined | 00:04 |
| gary_poster | I will reload | 00:04 |
| huwshimi | gary_poster: Hah, I just realised it had an error | 00:04 |
| gary_poster | heh ok | 00:04 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: mornuing | 12:05 |
| rick_h_ | errr morning | 12:05 |
| frankban | good morning rick_h_ | 12:05 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: wanted to check in on something jcastro hit yesterday. quickstart would only work with the bundle file named bundle.yaml? | 12:05 |
| Makyo | "Welcome to Moleman in the Morning, I'm Moleman and you're listening to my mourning." | 12:05 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: we export the file as export.yaml, which was making him rename to get things tested | 12:06 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: is there any history/reason we don't accept any filename? | 12:06 |
| rick_h_ | Makyo: that sounds like it's from something? | 12:06 |
| Makyo | Simpsons. | 12:07 |
| frankban | rick_h_: IIRC quickstart accepts both a dir path (in which case it looks for a bundles.yaml file) and a file path. If you use a path to a file, the file can be arbitrary named | 12:07 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: hmm, ok maybe he was using it wrong then or something. He made it sound like he was trying to give it the export.yaml file path and it would not let him | 12:08 |
| frankban | rick_h_: this is the pertinent code: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6726230/ | 12:11 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: thanks, I'll try it out. Sorry to bug you. What I get for not taking the time to set it back up locally and test it myself :) | 12:15 |
| frankban | np :-) | 12:19 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_: did you see https://codereview.appspot.com/44540043/ ? | 13:12 |
| gary_poster | and morning btw ;-) | 13:13 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: missed that one in the emails this morning. Thanks! | 13:14 |
| gary_poster | welcome | 13:14 |
| gary_poster | hey dimitern. do I understand correctly that you are proposing a backwards-incompatible client API change that would affect the GUI? | 13:16 |
| gary_poster | uh-oh. looks like we have some regressions before we can release. http://comingsoon.jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/precise/mongodb-21/?text=mongodb#bws-code does not render, for one | 13:22 |
| gary_poster | (or any similar) | 13:22 |
| rick_h_ | wtf, the hash does it. Take that off and it loads | 13:24 |
| * rick_h_ is is mind-boggled at the hash in the search string doing that but ok | 13:25 | |
| gary_poster | isn't that link in the wrong order? | 13:25 |
| gary_poster | should be hash first, then query string? looking up | 13:25 |
| rick_h_ | possibly, but it works on jujucharms | 13:25 |
| gary_poster | getting them out of order is bad for other reasons though | 13:25 |
| rick_h_ | https://jujucharms.com/sidebar/search/precise/mongodb-21/?text=mongodb#bws-code works and window.location.hash works and such | 13:26 |
| gary_poster | no, hash at end is correct | 13:26 |
| rick_h_ | so I think that's the right order | 13:26 |
| gary_poster | yeah, sorry agreeing | 13:26 |
| gary_poster | "no" was to self :-) | 13:26 |
| rick_h_ | we did the mess with removing fullscreen this release, but not sure off the top of my head would case that no-render issue | 13:27 |
| gary_poster | I'm diagnosing other unrelated issues reported by Maarten. So far known, and something I'll punt back to him. | 13:30 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: was this via email somewhere? Or bugs? /me isn't seeing this and starting to feel like he's email blind today | 13:32 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_: the items from Maarten are private to me. First problem is that he is using dots in his option names, which neither Juju nor GUI support. | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | that came up in irc yesterday. hazmat implied only the gui had an issue with it and they were discussing proof adding a check for it | 13:33 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: I meant to ask you about if that was something we should file as a bug/fix if the gui is the only straggler with the . issue | 13:34 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_: afaik juju still has the problem | 13:34 |
| frankban | guihelp: I need two reviews for https://codereview.appspot.com/50430043 (enable the env management functionality in quickstart). anyone available? thanks! | 13:44 |
| gary_poster | I encourage other people to do the review, but otherwise I will probably be available in 30min or so | 13:45 |
| Makyo | gary_poster: Kapil says try bribing next time, violence won't fly. | 13:45 |
| gary_poster | Makyo: ok, I'll spring for a candy bar :-) | 13:45 |
| hatch_ | lol | 13:46 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, sorry, afk, back now | 14:10 |
| gary_poster | dimitern: np. | 14:10 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, my proposal is about the final look of the API for 2.0 | 14:10 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, we'll support the current API up until the last moment and drop it before releasing, thus cleaning up the code and giving you guys some time to adapt | 14:11 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, at least that's the general idea | 14:11 |
| gary_poster | :-) | 14:11 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, and the reason is we're not really comfortable with supporting the current messy api for 5y | 14:13 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, bluntly put :) | 14:13 |
| gary_poster | OK dimitern, we'll want a more detailed migration plan and consideration of pros and cons of such. Migrating for us will not be trivial, and we have a *huge* list of things that people want from us. In terms of design, I'll also ask GUI folks to review your proposal as it stands. It would help me a lot if you were to include the current API that you are replacing. Are you willing to do that? | 14:15 |
| gary_poster | dimitern: I'm really quite concerned that you are proposing losing the current API by April | 14:16 |
| gary_poster | dimitern: I'd be more comfortable with "we have a new API; we promise to support it for 5 years; and we have a legacy API in this release that will be dropped sometime over the next five years" | 14:17 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, the current API is included btw | 14:17 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, nothing is set in stone yet, but we're discussing this migration informally from some time now | 14:17 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, we should've had a discussion with you guys (and still can organize it) | 14:18 |
| gary_poster | dimitern: current API is included: I'm afraid the way to read the doc is not clear to me then. which is which? | 14:18 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, the first part is the current API | 14:18 |
| gary_poster | so, for relations | 14:19 |
| gary_poster | add relation and destroy relations is old | 14:19 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, grouped by "entities" with some duplication as needed | 14:19 |
| gary_poster | no | 14:19 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, yes | 14:19 |
| gary_poster | oh ok | 14:19 |
| gary_poster | dimitern: but "getannotations" and "setannotations" is the replacement? <confused> | 14:20 |
| gary_poster | maybe quick hangout would be faster dimitern? | 14:20 |
| * gary_poster not feeling smart ;-) | 14:20 | |
| dimitern | gary_poster, no, Get/SetAnnotations is there now, but it can work on more than one entity (as per the given tag) | 14:20 |
| dimitern | gary_poster, sure | 14:20 |
| dimitern | perhaps i can pull in fwereade as well | 14:21 |
| gary_poster | dimitern: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7acpieh5jic99chb2thg99kcg4?hl=en | 14:21 |
| dimitern | fwereade, are you around for a quick g+ ? | 14:21 |
| fwereade | dimitern, heyhey | 14:22 |
| gary_poster | rick_h_, benji, bac hi. mectors is trying to dev a charm. he wants to deploy something from the charm store. ingestion is taking a while (still on the order of minutes, so not necessarily an indication of a problem). (1) what's the usual timeline for ingestion? (2) is there a URL to see the ingestion queue? (3) I saw a mention from bac yesterday that a bundle was stuck. is the queue stuck? | 14:57 |
| bac | manage.jujucharms.com/heartbeat | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: 15min ingestion time and about 8ish minutes to process the queue | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: ^^ url to watch the queue fill/empty | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: but nothing that will specifically list it | 14:58 |
| rick_h_ | gary_poster: make sure proof passes on his charm before anything else | 14:58 |
| benji | gary_poster: normal ingestion cycle time can be 30 minutes or more (depending on how lucky you are) | 14:58 |
| bac | gary_poster: shows about 1500 charms in the queue. they get processed at about 200/minute | 14:59 |
| benji | also, the stuck basket doesn't impeed (sp?) other things in the queue | 14:59 |
| gary_poster | bac, rick_h, benji, perfect thank you | 14:59 |
| bac | benji: i don't think so. i've been seeing it process in under 15 minutes and sleeping a bit | 14:59 |
| benji | bac: right, but if you push your branch just after enqueueing you'll have to wait through an entire injest/enqueue/injest cycle | 15:00 |
| benji | so I would bet worst case is around 30 minutes | 15:00 |
| bac | benji: oh, well try to not be so unlucky! | 15:00 |
| bac | benji: yes, that is true. | 15:01 |
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| bac | benji: and now that we aren't cron-based we don't know when the cycle starts | 15:01 |
| benji | yep | 15:02 |
| bac | hi hazmat, in the juju-deployer README, the section "Stack Definitions" stops abruptly as if you were in mid-thought and someone offered you pie. | 15:39 |
| hatch | jujugui call in 20 | 15:40 |
| gary_poster | 20? :-) | 15:49 |
| gary_poster | jujugui call in 10 | 15:50 |
| hatch | lol | 15:50 |
| rick_h_ | shoot, I joined up and sitting here bacause of the ping | 15:50 |
| rick_h_ | I'm a trained monkey | 15:51 |
| hatch | lol | 15:52 |
| * hatch hands rick_h_ a banana | 15:52 | |
| gary_poster | jujugui call in 2 | 15:58 |
| bac | now there is an actionable warning | 15:58 |
| gary_poster | benji pingy | 16:00 |
| jcastro | hey frankban | 16:17 |
| hatch | oops | 16:32 |
| hatch | gary_poster | 16:32 |
| hatch | I'll rejoin? | 16:32 |
| gary_poster | hatch: np, wanted to see if you wanted to chat or if everything is cool | 16:32 |
| gary_poster | I don't need to talk unless you do | 16:32 |
| hatch | oh nope nothing else | 16:32 |
| hatch | anything on your side? | 16:33 |
| gary_poster | nope. :-) thanks hatch. have a nice trip and vacation | 16:33 |
| hatch | thank yas! | 16:33 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+PaulIrish/posts/EhmRC5skp6z | 16:37 |
| hatch | Yay! | 16:38 |
| * hatch does a little dance | 16:38 | |
| rick_h_ | hatch: if they get promises in that fixes the native impl issue | 16:38 |
| hatch | only with async call stacks | 16:38 |
| hatch | lol | 16:38 |
| hatch | but that answers my question about the native promises and async callstacks | 16:38 |
| rick_h_ | curse you promise folks...might actually get it into stuff yet | 16:38 |
| hatch | it's ok, just accept that you're wrong :P | 16:38 |
| * rick_h_ goes to grumble in his "too damn much syntastic sugar will be the death of me" corner" | 16:39 | |
| hatch | lol | 16:39 |
| hatch | well if it's part of the native api with async callstacks it's no longer sugar | 16:39 |
| hatch | it IS the api :D | 16:39 |
| rick_h_ | hatch: true, but some of the new es6 stuff drives me nuts as well | 16:40 |
| rick_h_ | arrow functions, that's what had me going bonkers | 16:42 |
| hatch | rick_h_ yeah I don't like arrow functions in any language | 16:46 |
| hatch | personal preference | 16:46 |
| rick_h_ | yea | 16:46 |
| hatch | glad someone else feels the same way :) | 16:46 |
| rick_h_ | don't agree with me or the world will end | 16:47 |
| Makyo | Did...did you two just agree on something? :o | 16:47 |
| hatch | rofl | 16:47 |
| rick_h_ | *boom* | 16:47 |
| gary_poster | :-) | 16:47 |
| frankban | hey jcastro | 16:49 |
| jcastro | hey so I noticed that the gui exports export.yaml as a bundle | 16:49 |
| jcastro | but quickstart expects bundles.yaml | 16:49 |
| jcastro | I was wondering if you had plans to just have quickstart accept whatever.yaml or if I should file a bug | 16:49 |
| jcastro | or even if you think it might be a good idea | 16:50 |
| frankban | jcastro: IIRC you can pass a full path to an arbitrary named file in quickstart | 16:50 |
| jcastro | huh that didn't work for me | 16:50 |
| jcastro | I'll try it again and get back to you! | 16:50 |
| frankban | jcastro: cool thanks | 16:51 |
| Makyo | Alright, I'm out _o/ | 17:00 |
| hatch | jujugui looking for a review on my branch from this week https://github.com/juju/juju-gui/pull/73 | 17:00 |
| gary_poster | bye Makyo, safe travels | 17:00 |
| Makyo | Will review at hotel | 17:00 |
| Makyo | Cheers | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | frankban: do you have a link for your review you needed? | 17:01 |
| frankban | rick_h_: it's linked to the card | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | sorry, thought I looked | 17:01 |
| rick_h_ | ah, under external link | 17:02 |
| frankban | rick_h_: np, new kanban puts the link at the bottom | 17:02 |
| frankban | jcastro: just worked as expected here: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/6727619/ | 17:02 |
| * hatch is taking off as well, talk to you all later | 17:04 | |
| gary_poster | bye hatch | 17:05 |
| bac | ugh, to test that monster bundle i have to ingest all of those named charms. | 20:49 |
| bac | great time to take the dog out | 20:49 |
| rick_h_ | bac: can you mock out the part of the test that verifies a bundle exists to always be true? | 20:50 |
| rick_h_ | bac: enjoy | 20:50 |
| bac | rick_h_: could but i want to see it work for realz | 20:50 |
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