| Riddell | sgclark: I think the version I got was the right one | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | no article in the description | 00:04 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok, only noticed because when I copied over debian file it was quite messy | 00:04 |
| Riddell | uh oh, failed to build | 00:06 |
| Riddell | /bin/sh: 1: dbus-launch: not found | 00:06 |
| sgclark | uploading new stuff | 00:06 |
| Riddell | https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162065277/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kdbusaddons_4.95.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 00:06 |
| sgclark | oh | 00:06 |
| Riddell | needs to build-depend on whatever package that's in | 00:06 |
| sgclark | ok | 00:06 |
| Riddell | dbus-x11 I guess | 00:07 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I'll add that and re-upload | 00:07 |
| sgclark | oh ok | 00:07 |
| Riddell | that's what pbuilder is for, doing a final build to check you have the right build-depends, I don't know why so many packaging tutorials introduce it as the first tool you should use | 00:08 |
| Riddell | or you can just upload to launchpad and see what breaks, as many people do :) | 00:08 |
| sgclark | Oh, was wondering why I set up pbuilder, as I did not use it | 00:09 |
| sgclark | I will try it on this one I am working on | 00:09 |
| Riddell | sgclark: you'll also need to work out how to add the qt5-beta PPA to the pbuilder | 00:25 |
| Riddell | and make sure it's using trusty | 00:25 |
| sgclark | ok | 00:25 |
| Riddell | sgclark: kdbusaddons compiled! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages | 00:27 |
| sgclark | woohoo! | 00:27 |
| Riddell | !ninjas | 4.12.1 | 00:34 |
| ubottu | 4.12.1: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy | 00:34 |
| Riddell | a plethora of packaging | 00:34 |
| Darkwing | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NOaCvGJkSLU/Us8-beYJJjI/AAAAAAAARUI/FPspq7qw1C0/w868-h651-no/IMG_20140109_191128.jpg | 00:35 |
| Riddell | Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles! | 00:35 |
| Riddell | turtle power! | 00:35 |
| valorie | oh hilarious | 00:36 |
| sgclark | lol | 00:36 |
| Darkwing | I got them today and make quite a large commotion. | 00:36 |
| Riddell | reliving your childhood? | 00:36 |
| * yofel wiped caches on qa.kubuntu.co.uk - ENOSPC | 00:37 | |
| Darkwing | I'm starting to collect lego minifigs | 00:38 |
| shadeslayer | heh | 00:41 |
| shadeslayer | You should get a Darth Vader and label him as 'apachelogger' | 00:41 |
| Riddell | yofel: under which account is that? | 00:42 |
| yofel | the kubuntu-automation caches | 00:42 |
| valorie | duh duh ta duh, dah duh DUH dah DAH DUH | 00:42 |
| yofel | FWIW, rm is still running... | 00:42 |
| Riddell | yofel: I spent 30 seconds looking for them earlier and couldn't find them, where is it? | 00:42 |
| yofel | /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/cache* | 00:42 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: going to get any darkwing duck figures? | 00:42 |
| Riddell | yofel: aah | 00:43 |
| Riddell | yofel: I guess we should add a cron to delete those | 00:43 |
| yofel | I'll do that | 00:43 |
| Darkwing | Riddell: I'm thinking about it. :D | 00:43 |
| Riddell | thanks yofel | 00:43 |
| valorie | you got the turtles before Darkwing Duck?! | 00:44 |
| Darkwing | I've been looking for a Darkwing Duck for a couple years. | 00:44 |
| * Riddell snoozes | 00:45 | |
| valorie | sweet dreams, Riddell | 00:46 |
| sgclark | night night thanks for your help today Riddell | 00:46 |
| mamarley | I just upgraded to KDE 4.11.5 and found that it causes severe juddering when compositing is turned on. | 00:52 |
| mamarley | Every half-second or so, any motion on screen (OpenGL applications, Firefox scrolling, dragging windows) jerks. | 00:52 |
| mamarley | Going back to KDE 4.11.4 makes the problem go away. | 00:52 |
| mamarley | It was perfectly smooth before. I am using the nvidia blob, if that makes a difference. | 00:56 |
| yofel | what release? | 00:56 |
| mamarley | 14.04 | 00:57 |
| mamarley | (Which is why I am in #kubuntu-devel.) | 00:57 |
| yofel | hm, so it's the new kde-workspace | 00:59 |
| mamarley | Yep. | 00:59 |
| mamarley | Running all the kde-workspace stuff back to 4.11.4 (which is not an easy task) makes the problem go away. | 01:00 |
| mamarley | yofel: Digging through the KDE changelog, it looks like it might be this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319995 | 01:13 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 319995 in scene-opengl "Support for buffer age extensions" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed] | 01:13 |
| mamarley | It is the only kwin change in 4.11.5. | 01:14 |
| yofel | hm, sounds like that could be it. I'm off to bed, will look at it tomorrow unless someone else is faster | 01:16 |
| mamarley | Thanks :) | 01:17 |
| mamarley | It seems they have provided a KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE env var, so I can use that to test. | 01:19 |
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| apachelogger | "What happens instead: kaffeine crashes" | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | that sounds very expected considering it aint maintained :O | 07:45 |
| apachelogger | or did they find a new master of the kaffeine? | 07:45 |
| valorie | not that I've heard | 07:51 |
| valorie | although I haven't read planet for a few days | 07:51 |
| valorie | how long after an application is dead does it get ripped out of the repos? | 07:54 |
| Tm_T | am I bad person, I rarely use desktop applications for ~anything nowadays | 07:54 |
| Tm_T | can't even remember how many years ago I used Kaffeine last time | 07:55 |
| valorie | Tm_T: that is the definition of a bad person, yes | 07:55 |
| valorie | :-) | 07:55 |
| Tm_T | I'm too used to have everything in browser /: | 07:55 |
| valorie | ah, and here i thought you were cli this and cli that | 07:56 |
| Tm_T | well, my cli is in browser too (; | 07:56 |
| valorie | lol | 07:56 |
| valorie | I prefer yakuake | 08:02 |
| Tm_T | I use Chrome's hterm and Konsole side by side | 08:04 |
| valorie | interesting; I had no idea chrome had a terminal! | 08:04 |
| Tm_T | it's the terminal for ChromeOS | 08:04 |
| Tm_T | http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/assets.git;a=blob;f=chromeapps/nassh/doc/faq.txt && https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo | 08:05 |
| lordievader | Good morning. | 08:14 |
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| apachelogger | I hate it when bugs turn out to be architecture insufficencies -.- | 09:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: I reported a wall of bugs for all l10n issues hoping this will get things moving :S | 09:57 |
| apachelogger | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-patched-l10n/13.10ubuntu2 that stuff isn't helping btw :S | 09:59 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: how is it not helping? | 10:18 |
| sgclark | morning | 10:37 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas all | 10:44 |
| sgclark | hello | 10:45 |
| Riddell | sgclark: did you get any more done last night? | 10:51 |
| sgclark | Riddell: almost done with it, stuck on a list-missing file, driving me batty haha. the file is there.. | 10:52 |
| Riddell | hmm, 4.13 in April http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.13_Release_Schedule | 10:53 |
| Riddell | thats going to leave us with the decision of what to ship in 14.04 | 10:53 |
| Riddell | sgclark: what's the file? what's the problem with it? | 10:56 |
| sgclark | It builds just fine but debuild claims that kcharselect-data is missing, I have kcharselect and kdelibs5-data as dependencies, and when I do a find the file is where it is supposed to be, I am not sure why it is listing as missing.. | 10:56 |
| sgclark | and I got pbuilder working :) | 10:56 |
| soee | Riddell, +1 for 4.13 :D | 10:57 |
| Riddell | looks like it'll be too tight | 11:02 |
| Riddell | sgclark: send me the sources you have and I'll take a look | 11:02 |
| apachelogger | lovely, chroot install failures because of dbus | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | and that weird systemd thing | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | so awesome | 11:05 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: kubuntu-firefox-installer was a standalone kubuntu specific package, kubuntu-patched-l10n is gathering up string delta to canonical upstream source | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/l10n | 11:07 |
| apachelogger | so what you did there was a) workaround the fact that kubuntu-firefox-installer was not exported into a langpack, yet it was still on launchpad so the strings were duplicated b) copy strings from a different package that are not being automatically recreated/dropped/whatever whenever patched-l10n is updated which now leads to the result that the translation foo for patched-l10n contains strings for a package that was since removed requiring | 11:09 |
| apachelogger | someone to manually revert the addition of that file | 11:09 |
| sgclark | Riddell: should be getting email soon with link | 11:09 |
| apachelogger | oh c) if kubuntu-firefox-installer was still used and the strings would change they would continue to be untranslated until someone again manually copies the pot from kubuntu-firefox-installer to kubuntu-patched-l10n | 11:09 |
| apachelogger | d) the kubuntu-firefox-installer strings are being uselessly loaded into every kde application in saucy | 11:10 |
| Riddell | sgclark: golly what's all these patches? | 11:12 |
| sgclark | trash, I reverted back to original | 11:12 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I'm not sure you did, there's three patches in here "kcharselectdatapathfix patch-reverse revert " | 11:13 |
| Riddell | sgclark: maybe quilt is the next lesson needed :) | 11:13 |
| sgclark | Riddell: yeah I am not versed in this system patching | 11:14 |
| Riddell | sgclark: hmm I see what you mean, it doesn't get installed to a good place | 11:20 |
| sgclark | Riddell: yeah, any idea how to fix? :) my attempts failed | 11:22 |
| Riddell | it's a pretty fundamental issue that needs worked out, you just had the misfortune to come over it first | 11:24 |
| Riddell | kde4libs has cmake run with -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/apps | 11:25 |
| Riddell | so the data files get installed there | 11:25 |
| Riddell | that value must be saved somewhere so it gets picked up by any other kde build | 11:25 |
| Riddell | question is where do we need to do the equivalent to kf5 | 11:25 |
| Riddell | it's saved to /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/KDELibsDependencies.cmake | 11:29 |
| Riddell | sgclark: looks like we need to do something to extra-cmake-modules | 11:40 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok, I have no idea what or how :( | 11:43 |
| Riddell | sgclark: no I'm still working it out | 11:45 |
| Riddell | needs some pondering | 11:46 |
| sgclark | ok :) thank you | 11:46 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I think you can safely move on to another package, you've done great on this one | 11:46 |
| sgclark | I am working on another one | 11:46 |
| sgclark | Riddell: my next package is uploaded to that ubuntu one | 12:07 |
| Riddell | sgclark: kwidgetsaddons uploaded! (should be fixed with build against new extra-cmake-modules I modified) | 12:31 |
| sgclark | Riddell: thanks :) did you see I put up kplotting for your review | 12:34 |
| Riddell | sgclark: yep, onto it | 12:34 |
| Riddell | I've found this page has some 1 line descriptions for the frameworks, might be useful http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List | 12:34 |
| sgclark | nice, thanks | 12:35 |
| Riddell | sgclark: "These files do not contain any license information" just assume they're covered by the global licence then, no need for an extra copyright paragraph | 12:35 |
| sgclark | Ridell: ok | 12:36 |
| mamarley | yofel: I have an update on the kwin jerkiness bug I was talking about yesterday. I tried 4.11.5 again with the env var set to disable the buffer age extension, but the problem still occurred. | 12:52 |
| mamarley | I am still pretty sure it has something to do with that change though. | 12:52 |
| Riddell | sgclark: uploaded kplotting, you're on a roll | 12:52 |
| sgclark | :) | 12:52 |
| Riddell | oh I failed to upload e-c-m properly meaning kwidgetsaddons failed, we'll just retry in a bit | 12:54 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: how's kglobalaccel doing? | 13:59 |
| sgclark | Riddell: kwindowsystem has to have a running window manager for these tests to pass, I am having issues making that happen . Ideas? | 14:33 |
| sgclark | nevermind I got it | 14:44 |
| Riddell | damn you're good :) | 14:44 |
| sgclark | :) | 14:44 |
| sgclark | Riddell: kwindowsystem ready for your review in the ubuntu one folder | 15:05 |
| sgclark | Riddell: last of tier one that I can see, more to do? | 15:07 |
| Riddell | awooga | 15:10 |
| Riddell | sgclark: I think kglobalaccel is for the taking | 15:11 |
| Riddell | not heard from shadeslayer today | 15:11 |
| sgclark | ok | 15:11 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I have the exact same file issue as kwidgetaddons in kglobalaccel | 15:35 |
| Riddell | sgclark: grab the new extra-cmake-modules from the experimental PPA | 15:36 |
| sgclark | ok ty | 15:36 |
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| sgclark | Riddell: paste.ubuntu.com/6727235/ still does not work , different path variable? | 15:51 |
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| Riddell | sgclark: ignore those | 16:10 |
| sgclark | ok | 16:11 |
| mamarley | yofel: Should I file a bug on Launchpad and/or the KDE bugzilla for the kwin jerkiness bug I was talking about yesterday? | 16:15 |
| yofel | feel free to. I'll upgrade my nvidia notebook once I'm home and see what happens | 16:16 |
| yofel | bbl | 16:16 |
| mamarley | Great, thanks! Which one, or both? | 16:17 |
| mamarley | yofel: Also, I'm not sure if you saw my message from earlier today, but using the KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE=0 env var to disable buffer age doesn't work around the problem. | 16:18 |
| Riddell | sgclark: those dbus files need some thinking about as they overlap the same ones from kdelibs4 | 16:19 |
| Riddell | so just ignore them for now and I'll have a think about how to rename them | 16:19 |
| Darkwing | huh, you don't need a third party app to ssh with a chromebook. Hello new dev machine. | 16:20 |
| sgclark | ok, makes sense | 16:20 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I have uploaded what I have for kglobalaccel into the ubuntu one folder | 16:22 |
| Riddell | awooga | 16:23 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: oh you have a chromebook? what's it like? | 16:23 |
| Darkwing | Brilliant. | 16:23 |
| Darkwing | It's like running Google Chrome. | 16:24 |
| Darkwing | I didn't realize how much you can do with webapps. | 16:24 |
| Darkwing | There are thousands of offline apps. I use Google Docs anyway | 16:24 |
| Riddell | what display manager does it run? | 16:24 |
| Darkwing | It's own simple launcher. | 16:25 |
| Riddell | but is it X or that andoid one or something else? | 16:25 |
| Darkwing | I think it's something else. | 16:25 |
| Riddell | surfaceflinger isn't it called? | 16:25 |
| Darkwing | I have the Samsung ARM one. | 16:26 |
| Darkwing | Battery lasts me about 7-8 hours. | 16:26 |
| Darkwing | takes about 4 seconds to boot. | 16:26 |
| sgclark | Riddell: I have to take off for a bit, just email me with your reviews if there are issues and perhaps more for for me to do when I get back | 16:26 |
| jacky | I don't think it's surface flinger | 16:26 |
| jacky | It might be X. | 16:27 |
| Riddell | sgclark: tier 2 next :) | 16:27 |
| sgclark | Riddell: ok :) | 16:27 |
| Riddell | Darkwing: is has a console? | 16:27 |
| Darkwing | Yes. | 16:27 |
| Darkwing | http://www.geek.com/news/chrome-os-introduces-aura-window-manager-1481937/ | 16:27 |
| Darkwing | actually, with developer mode, I can (and have) sideloaded Ubuntu. | 16:28 |
| Darkwing | simple button combo and switch between the two. | 16:28 |
| Riddell | you can book the ubuntu arm images? | 16:29 |
| Darkwing | Yup | 16:30 |
| Riddell | so the question is, what has chrome done right to get linux sold in big shops to consumers that years of linux distro companies have not? | 16:31 |
| Darkwing | http://lifehacker.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-chromebook-and-unlock-its-ful-509039343 | 16:31 |
| Darkwing | Google and marketing. | 16:31 |
| maco | i think Apple helps | 16:31 |
| Riddell | Apple? | 16:31 |
| maco | used to be you couldnt sell someone on the idea of a repo | 16:31 |
| maco | "but why cant i just install random things from the internet?" | 16:31 |
| maco | and then Apple made the App Store | 16:32 |
| Darkwing | bingo. | 16:32 |
| maco | and then App Stores were COOL | 16:32 |
| Riddell | mm yes | 16:32 |
| jacky | (Sadly,) Apple = cool or acceptable | 16:32 |
| jacky | take NFC or Bluetooth LE for example | 16:32 |
| jacky | I've had a few friends sell everything they had of NFC just to switch over to BLE | 16:32 |
| jacky | to support more platforms | 16:32 |
| jacky | if Apple added NFC support to the devices, it probably wouldn't have been so | 16:33 |
| Darkwing | I think that massive amounts of money from a known company helps. | 16:34 |
| Darkwing | plus, flooding the system. | 16:35 |
| Darkwing | Canonical actually has a (slim) chance at doing it. | 16:35 |
| jacky | They need to get TVs down. | 16:36 |
| Darkwing | The Ubuntu Edge may have failed from a kickstarter standpoint but, it created buzz, so when/if they finally release a phone and tablet that will seamless transition with the desktop... It could work. | 16:36 |
| jacky | Maybe I'm loopy, but CES has been *very* big on TVs. And more recent set-tops have "smart" systems. | 16:36 |
| Darkwing | It was a massive success from a marketing standpoint... | 16:36 |
| jacky | That + phone/tablet = full convergence - desktop | 16:36 |
| jacky | It was | 16:36 |
| Darkwing | Yup. | 16:36 |
| Darkwing | It was brilliant. | 16:37 |
| jacky | still is, imho | 16:37 |
| jacky | Now, they just need more hw guys. Samsung's not going to do it. | 16:37 |
| jacky | LG might | 16:37 |
| Darkwing | honestly, the only reason I'm not running Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4 is Ingress. | 16:37 |
| jacky | but they might be locked in due to the OHA thing | 16:38 |
| Darkwing | and if they decided to put tethering on it... I might just run Ingress from my tablet. | 16:38 |
| jacky | wait, like tethering from your Nexus 4 to your tablet? | 16:39 |
| jacky | Ah, you mean from Ubuntu Touch | 16:41 |
| jacky | that should be very possible | 16:41 |
| jacky | using the latest versions of network-manager and bluez handles that really well | 16:41 |
| Darkwing | orga said it's not fully working yet. | 16:42 |
| jacky | d'oh | 16:42 |
| Darkwing | I've been following. | 16:42 |
| Darkwing | :) | 16:42 |
| Darkwing | Dunno, the wife and I play Ingress together. | 16:42 |
| jacky | I have to get back into it | 16:44 |
| Darkwing | Enlightened or Resistance? | 16:44 |
| jacky | Resistance | 16:44 |
| Darkwing | You're dead to me :P:P | 16:45 |
| Tm_T | Darkwing: it's your own fault on being on the wrong side | 17:08 |
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| mamarley | yofel: Here's the KDE bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329821 | 19:29 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 329821 in compositing "Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5." [Normal,Unconfirmed] | 19:29 |
| mamarley | And the Ubuntu one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1267977 | 19:33 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 1267977 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5." [Undecided,New] | 19:33 |
| cyphermox | jacky: Darkwing: yes, it's perfectly possible | 19:41 |
| cyphermox | (tethering) you just need to do a lot of magic manually | 19:41 |
| jacky | don't we always? :) | 20:07 |
| jacky | It's using a PANU connection between the devices, no | 20:07 |
| kubotu | ::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley) | 20:22 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: I'm on a spaceship that is time travelling | 21:04 |
| yofel | lolwhat? | 21:04 |
| shadeslayer | Flying back to india through so many timezones | 21:05 |
| shadeslayer | yofel takes the fun out of everything | 21:05 |
| yofel | well, I kinda assumed something like that ^^ | 21:05 |
| yofel | enjoy the trip ;) | 21:06 |
| shadeslayer | Well, I got access to a fancy lounge | 21:06 |
| shadeslayer | though I think it's over hyped :P | 21:06 |
| shadeslayer | seats aren't particularly comfy here | 21:06 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: fancy lounges are about the only thing I miss from working at canonical, I just gained a taste for free booze | 21:26 |
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