Riddellsgclark: I think the version I got was the right one00:03
Riddellno article in the description00:04
sgclarkRiddell: ok, only noticed because when I copied over debian file it was quite messy00:04
Riddelluh oh, failed to build00:06
Riddell/bin/sh: 1: dbus-launch: not found00:06
sgclarkuploading new stuff00:06
Riddellneeds to build-depend on whatever package that's in00:06
Riddelldbus-x11 I guess00:07
Riddellsgclark: I'll add that and re-upload00:07
sgclarkoh ok00:07
Riddellthat's what pbuilder is for, doing a final build to check you have the right build-depends, I don't know why so many packaging tutorials introduce it as the first tool you should use00:08
Riddellor you can just upload to launchpad and see what breaks, as many people do :)00:08
sgclarkOh, was wondering why I set up pbuilder, as I did not use it00:09
sgclarkI will try it on this one I am working on00:09
Riddellsgclark: you'll also need to work out how to add the qt5-beta PPA to the pbuilder00:25
Riddelland make sure it's using trusty00:25
Riddellsgclark: kdbusaddons compiled! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages00:27
Riddell!ninjas | 4.12.100:34
ubottu4.12.1: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy00:34
Riddella plethora of packaging00:34
RiddellTeenage Mutant Hero Turtles!00:35
Riddellturtle power!00:35
valorieoh hilarious00:36
DarkwingI got them today and make quite a large commotion.00:36
Riddellreliving your childhood?00:36
* yofel wiped caches on qa.kubuntu.co.uk - ENOSPC00:37
DarkwingI'm starting to collect lego minifigs00:38
shadeslayerYou should get a Darth Vader and label him as 'apachelogger'00:41
Riddellyofel: under which account is that?00:42
yofelthe kubuntu-automation caches00:42
valorieduh duh ta duh, dah duh DUH dah DAH DUH00:42
yofelFWIW, rm is still running...00:42
Riddellyofel: I spent 30 seconds looking for them earlier and couldn't find them, where is it?00:42
RiddellDarkwing: going to get any darkwing duck figures?00:42
Riddellyofel: aah00:43
Riddellyofel: I guess we should add a cron to delete those00:43
yofelI'll do that00:43
DarkwingRiddell: I'm thinking about it. :D00:43
Riddellthanks yofel 00:43
valorieyou got the turtles before Darkwing Duck?!00:44
DarkwingI've been looking for a Darkwing Duck for a couple years.00:44
* Riddell snoozes00:45
valoriesweet dreams, Riddell00:46
sgclarknight night thanks for your help today Riddell00:46
mamarleyI just upgraded to KDE 4.11.5 and found that it causes severe juddering when compositing is turned on.00:52
mamarleyEvery half-second or so, any motion on screen (OpenGL applications, Firefox scrolling, dragging windows) jerks.00:52
mamarleyGoing back to KDE 4.11.4 makes the problem go away.00:52
mamarleyIt was perfectly smooth before.  I am using the nvidia blob, if that makes a difference.00:56
yofelwhat release?00:56
mamarley(Which is why I am in #kubuntu-devel.)00:57
yofelhm, so it's the new kde-workspace00:59
mamarleyRunning all the kde-workspace stuff back to 4.11.4 (which is not an easy task) makes the problem go away.01:00
mamarleyyofel: Digging through the KDE changelog, it looks like it might be this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31999501:13
ubottuKDE bug 319995 in scene-opengl "Support for buffer age extensions" [Wishlist,Resolved: fixed]01:13
mamarleyIt is the only kwin change in
yofelhm, sounds like that could be it. I'm off to bed, will look at it tomorrow unless someone else is faster01:16
mamarleyThanks :)01:17
mamarleyIt seems they have provided a KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE env var, so I can use that to test.01:19
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apachelogger"What happens instead: kaffeine crashes"07:45
apacheloggerthat sounds very expected considering it aint maintained :O07:45
apacheloggeror did they find a new master of the kaffeine?07:45
valorienot that I've heard07:51
valoriealthough I haven't read planet for a few days07:51
valoriehow long after an application is dead does it get ripped out of the repos?07:54
Tm_Tam I bad person, I rarely use desktop applications for ~anything nowadays07:54
Tm_Tcan't even remember how many years ago I used Kaffeine last time07:55
valorieTm_T: that is the definition of a bad person, yes07:55
Tm_TI'm too used to have everything in browser /:07:55
valorieah, and here i thought you were cli this and cli that07:56
Tm_Twell, my cli is in browser too (;07:56
valorieI prefer yakuake08:02
Tm_TI use Chrome's hterm and Konsole side by side08:04
valorieinteresting; I had no idea chrome had a terminal!08:04
Tm_Tit's the terminal for ChromeOS08:04
Tm_Thttp://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/assets.git;a=blob;f=chromeapps/nassh/doc/faq.txt && https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo08:05
lordievaderGood morning.08:14
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apacheloggerI hate it when bugs turn out to be architecture insufficencies -.-09:31
apacheloggerRiddell: I reported a wall of bugs for all l10n issues hoping this will get things moving :S09:57
apacheloggerhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-patched-l10n/13.10ubuntu2 that stuff isn't helping btw :S09:59
Riddellapachelogger: how is it not helping?10:18
BluesKajHiyas all10:44
Riddellsgclark: did you get any more done last night?10:51
sgclarkRiddell: almost done with it, stuck on a list-missing file, driving me batty haha. the file is there..10:52
Riddellhmm, 4.13 in April http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.13_Release_Schedule10:53
Riddellthats going to leave us with the decision of what to ship in 14.0410:53
Riddellsgclark: what's the file? what's the problem with it?10:56
sgclarkIt builds just fine but debuild claims that kcharselect-data is missing, I have kcharselect and kdelibs5-data as dependencies, and when I do a find the file is where it is supposed to be, I am not sure why it is listing as missing..10:56
sgclarkand I got pbuilder working :)10:56
soeeRiddell, +1 for 4.13 :D10:57
Riddelllooks like it'll be too tight11:02
Riddellsgclark: send me the sources you have and I'll take a look11:02
apacheloggerlovely, chroot install failures because of dbus11:05
apacheloggerand that weird systemd thing11:05
apacheloggerso awesome11:05
apacheloggerRiddell: kubuntu-firefox-installer was a standalone kubuntu specific package, kubuntu-patched-l10n is gathering up string delta to canonical upstream source11:07
apacheloggerso what you did there was a) workaround the fact that kubuntu-firefox-installer was not exported into a langpack, yet it was still on launchpad so the strings were duplicated b) copy strings from a different package that are not being automatically recreated/dropped/whatever whenever patched-l10n is updated which now leads to the result that the translation foo for patched-l10n contains strings for a package that was since removed requiring 11:09
apacheloggersomeone to manually revert the addition of that file11:09
sgclarkRiddell: should be getting email soon with link11:09
apacheloggeroh c) if kubuntu-firefox-installer was still used and the strings would change they would continue to be untranslated until someone again manually copies the pot from kubuntu-firefox-installer to kubuntu-patched-l10n11:09
apacheloggerd) the kubuntu-firefox-installer strings are being uselessly loaded into every kde application in saucy11:10
Riddellsgclark: golly what's all these patches?11:12
sgclarktrash, I reverted back to original11:12
Riddellsgclark: I'm not sure you did, there's three patches in here "kcharselectdatapathfix  patch-reverse  revert "11:13
Riddellsgclark: maybe quilt is the next lesson needed :)11:13
sgclarkRiddell: yeah I am not versed in this system patching11:14
Riddellsgclark: hmm I see what you mean, it doesn't get installed to a good place11:20
sgclarkRiddell: yeah, any idea how to fix? :) my attempts failed11:22
Riddellit's a pretty fundamental issue that needs worked out, you just had the misfortune to come over it first11:24
Riddellkde4libs has cmake run with -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/apps11:25
Riddellso the data files get installed there11:25
Riddellthat value must be saved somewhere so it gets picked up by any other kde build11:25
Riddellquestion is where do we need to do the equivalent to kf511:25
Riddellit's saved to /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/KDELibsDependencies.cmake11:29
Riddellsgclark: looks like we need to do something to extra-cmake-modules11:40
sgclarkRiddell: ok, I have no idea what or how :(11:43
Riddellsgclark: no I'm still working it out11:45
Riddellneeds some pondering11:46
sgclarkok :) thank you11:46
Riddellsgclark: I think you can safely move on to another package, you've done great on this one11:46
sgclarkI am working on another one11:46
sgclarkRiddell: my next package is uploaded to that ubuntu one12:07
Riddellsgclark: kwidgetsaddons uploaded! (should be fixed with build against new extra-cmake-modules I modified)12:31
sgclarkRiddell: thanks :) did you see I put up kplotting for your review12:34
Riddellsgclark: yep, onto it12:34
RiddellI've found this page has some 1 line descriptions for the frameworks, might be useful http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List12:34
sgclarknice, thanks12:35
Riddellsgclark: "These files do not contain any license information" just assume they're covered by the global licence then, no need for an extra copyright paragraph12:35
sgclarkRidell: ok12:36
mamarleyyofel: I have an update on the kwin jerkiness bug I was talking about yesterday.  I tried 4.11.5 again with the env var set to disable the buffer age extension, but the problem still occurred.12:52
mamarleyI am still pretty sure it has something to do with that change though.12:52
Riddellsgclark: uploaded kplotting, you're on a roll12:52
Riddelloh I failed to upload e-c-m properly meaning kwidgetsaddons failed, we'll just retry in a bit12:54
Riddellshadeslayer: how's kglobalaccel doing?13:59
sgclarkRiddell: kwindowsystem has to have a running window manager for these tests to pass, I am having issues making that happen . Ideas?14:33
sgclarknevermind I got it14:44
Riddelldamn you're good :)14:44
sgclarkRiddell: kwindowsystem ready for your review in the ubuntu one folder15:05
sgclarkRiddell: last of tier one that I can see, more to do?15:07
Riddellsgclark: I think kglobalaccel is for the taking15:11
Riddellnot heard from shadeslayer today15:11
sgclarkRiddell: I have the exact same file issue as kwidgetaddons in kglobalaccel15:35
Riddellsgclark: grab the new extra-cmake-modules from the experimental PPA15:36
sgclarkok ty15:36
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sgclarkRiddell: paste.ubuntu.com/6727235/ still does not work , different path variable?15:51
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Riddellsgclark: ignore those16:10
mamarleyyofel: Should I file a bug on Launchpad and/or the KDE bugzilla for the kwin jerkiness bug I was talking about yesterday?16:15
yofelfeel free to. I'll upgrade my nvidia notebook once I'm home and see what happens16:16
mamarleyGreat, thanks!  Which one, or both?16:17
mamarleyyofel: Also, I'm not sure if you saw my message from earlier today, but using the KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE=0 env var to disable buffer age doesn't work around the problem.16:18
Riddellsgclark: those dbus files need some thinking about as they overlap the same ones from kdelibs416:19
Riddellso just ignore them for now and I'll have a think about how to rename them16:19
Darkwinghuh, you don't need a third party app to ssh with a chromebook. Hello new dev machine.16:20
sgclarkok, makes sense16:20
sgclarkRiddell: I have uploaded what I have for kglobalaccel into the ubuntu one folder16:22
RiddellDarkwing: oh you have a chromebook? what's it like?16:23
DarkwingBrilliant. 16:23
DarkwingIt's like running Google Chrome. 16:24
DarkwingI didn't realize how much you can do with webapps.16:24
DarkwingThere are thousands of offline apps. I use Google Docs anyway16:24
Riddellwhat display manager does it run?16:24
DarkwingIt's own simple launcher.16:25
Riddellbut is it X or that andoid one or something else?16:25
DarkwingI think it's something else.16:25
Riddellsurfaceflinger isn't it called?16:25
DarkwingI have the Samsung ARM one.16:26
DarkwingBattery lasts me about 7-8 hours.16:26
Darkwingtakes about 4 seconds to boot.16:26
sgclarkRiddell: I have to take off for a bit, just email me with your reviews if there are issues and perhaps more for for me to do when I get back16:26
jackyI don't think it's surface flinger16:26
jackyIt might be X.16:27
Riddellsgclark: tier 2 next :)16:27
sgclarkRiddell: ok :)16:27
RiddellDarkwing: is has a console?16:27
Darkwingactually, with developer mode, I can (and have) sideloaded Ubuntu.16:28
Darkwingsimple button combo and switch between the two.16:28
Riddellyou can book the ubuntu arm images?16:29
Riddellso the question is, what has chrome done right to get linux sold in big shops to consumers that years of linux distro companies have not?16:31
DarkwingGoogle and marketing.16:31
macoi think Apple helps16:31
macoused to be you couldnt sell someone on the idea of a repo16:31
maco"but why cant i just install random things from the internet?"16:31
macoand then Apple made the App Store16:32
macoand then App Stores were COOL16:32
Riddellmm yes16:32
jacky(Sadly,) Apple = cool or acceptable16:32
jackytake NFC or Bluetooth LE for example16:32
jackyI've had a few friends sell everything they had of NFC just to switch over to BLE16:32
jackyto support more platforms16:32
jackyif Apple added NFC support to the devices, it probably wouldn't have been so16:33
DarkwingI think that massive amounts of money from a known company helps.16:34
Darkwingplus, flooding the system.16:35
DarkwingCanonical actually has a (slim) chance at doing it.16:35
jackyThey need to get TVs down.16:36
DarkwingThe Ubuntu Edge may have failed from a kickstarter standpoint but, it created buzz, so when/if they finally release a phone and tablet that will seamless transition with the desktop... It could work.16:36
jackyMaybe I'm loopy, but CES has been *very* big on TVs. And more recent set-tops have "smart" systems.16:36
DarkwingIt was a massive success from a marketing standpoint...16:36
jackyThat + phone/tablet = full convergence - desktop16:36
jackyIt was16:36
DarkwingIt was brilliant.16:37
jackystill is, imho16:37
jackyNow, they just need more hw guys. Samsung's not going to do it.16:37
jackyLG might16:37
Darkwinghonestly, the only reason I'm not running Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4 is Ingress.16:37
jackybut they might be locked in due to the OHA thing16:38
Darkwingand if they decided to put tethering on it... I might just run Ingress from my tablet.16:38
jackywait, like tethering from your Nexus 4 to your tablet?16:39
jackyAh, you mean from Ubuntu Touch16:41
jackythat should be very possible16:41
jackyusing the latest versions of network-manager and bluez handles that really well16:41
Darkwingorga said it's not fully working yet.16:42
DarkwingI've been following.16:42
DarkwingDunno, the wife and I play Ingress together.16:42
jackyI have to get back into it16:44
DarkwingEnlightened or Resistance?16:44
DarkwingYou're dead to me :P:P16:45
Tm_TDarkwing: it's your own fault on being on the wrong side17:08
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mamarleyyofel: Here's the KDE bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32982119:29
ubottuKDE bug 329821 in compositing "Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5." [Normal,Unconfirmed]19:29
mamarleyAnd the Ubuntu one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/126797719:33
ubottuUbuntu bug 1267977 in kde-workspace (Ubuntu) "Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5." [Undecided,New]19:33
cyphermoxjacky: Darkwing: yes, it's perfectly possible19:41
cyphermox(tethering) you just need to do a lot of magic manually19:41
jackydon't we always? :)20:07
jackyIt's using a PANU connection between the devices, no20:07
kubotu::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley)20:22
shadeslayerRiddell: I'm on a spaceship that is time travelling21:04
shadeslayerFlying back to india through so many timezones21:05
shadeslayeryofel takes the fun out of everything21:05
yofelwell, I kinda assumed something like that ^^21:05
yofelenjoy the trip ;)21:06
shadeslayerWell, I got access to a fancy lounge21:06
shadeslayerthough I think it's over hyped :P21:06
shadeslayerseats aren't particularly comfy here21:06
Riddellshadeslayer: fancy lounges are about the only thing I miss from working at canonical, I just gained a taste for free booze21:26
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