[00:03] <Riddell> sgclark: I think the version I got was the right one
[00:04] <Riddell> no article in the description
[00:04] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, only noticed because when I copied over debian file it was quite messy
[00:06] <Riddell> uh oh, failed to build
[00:06] <Riddell> /bin/sh: 1: dbus-launch: not found
[00:06] <sgclark> uploading new stuff
[00:06] <Riddell> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162065277/buildlog_ubuntu-trusty-i386.kdbusaddons_4.95.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.04~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[00:06] <sgclark> oh
[00:06] <Riddell> needs to build-depend on whatever package that's in
[00:06] <sgclark> ok
[00:07] <Riddell> dbus-x11 I guess
[00:07] <Riddell> sgclark: I'll add that and re-upload
[00:07] <sgclark> oh ok
[00:08] <Riddell> that's what pbuilder is for, doing a final build to check you have the right build-depends, I don't know why so many packaging tutorials introduce it as the first tool you should use
[00:08] <Riddell> or you can just upload to launchpad and see what breaks, as many people do :)
[00:09] <sgclark> Oh, was wondering why I set up pbuilder, as I did not use it
[00:09] <sgclark> I will try it on this one I am working on
[00:25] <Riddell> sgclark: you'll also need to work out how to add the qt5-beta PPA to the pbuilder
[00:25] <Riddell> and make sure it's using trusty
[00:25] <sgclark> ok
[00:27] <Riddell> sgclark: kdbusaddons compiled! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[00:27] <sgclark> woohoo!
[00:34] <Riddell> !ninjas | 4.12.1
[00:34] <Riddell> a plethora of packaging
[00:35] <Darkwing> https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NOaCvGJkSLU/Us8-beYJJjI/AAAAAAAARUI/FPspq7qw1C0/w868-h651-no/IMG_20140109_191128.jpg
[00:35] <Riddell> Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles!
[00:35] <Riddell> turtle power!
[00:36] <valorie> oh hilarious
[00:36] <sgclark> lol
[00:36] <Darkwing> I got them today and make quite a large commotion.
[00:36] <Riddell> reliving your childhood?
[00:37]  * yofel wiped caches on qa.kubuntu.co.uk - ENOSPC
[00:38] <Darkwing> I'm starting to collect lego minifigs
[00:41] <shadeslayer> heh
[00:41] <shadeslayer> You should get a Darth Vader and label him as 'apachelogger'
[00:42] <Riddell> yofel: under which account is that?
[00:42] <yofel> the kubuntu-automation caches
[00:42] <valorie> duh duh ta duh, dah duh DUH dah DAH DUH
[00:42] <yofel> FWIW, rm is still running...
[00:42] <Riddell> yofel: I spent 30 seconds looking for them earlier and couldn't find them, where is it?
[00:42] <yofel> /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/cache*
[00:42] <Riddell> Darkwing: going to get any darkwing duck figures?
[00:43] <Riddell> yofel: aah
[00:43] <Riddell> yofel: I guess we should add a cron to delete those
[00:43] <yofel> I'll do that
[00:43] <Darkwing> Riddell: I'm thinking about it. :D
[00:43] <Riddell> thanks yofel 
[00:44] <valorie> you got the turtles before Darkwing Duck?!
[00:44] <Darkwing> I've been looking for a Darkwing Duck for a couple years.
[00:45]  * Riddell snoozes
[00:46] <valorie> sweet dreams, Riddell
[00:46] <sgclark> night night thanks for your help today Riddell
[00:52] <mamarley> I just upgraded to KDE 4.11.5 and found that it causes severe juddering when compositing is turned on.
[00:52] <mamarley> Every half-second or so, any motion on screen (OpenGL applications, Firefox scrolling, dragging windows) jerks.
[00:52] <mamarley> Going back to KDE 4.11.4 makes the problem go away.
[00:56] <mamarley> It was perfectly smooth before.  I am using the nvidia blob, if that makes a difference.
[00:56] <yofel> what release?
[00:57] <mamarley> 14.04
[00:57] <mamarley> (Which is why I am in #kubuntu-devel.)
[00:59] <yofel> hm, so it's the new kde-workspace
[00:59] <mamarley> Yep.
[01:00] <mamarley> Running all the kde-workspace stuff back to 4.11.4 (which is not an easy task) makes the problem go away.
[01:13] <mamarley> yofel: Digging through the KDE changelog, it looks like it might be this: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=319995
[01:14] <mamarley> It is the only kwin change in 4.11.5.
[01:16] <yofel> hm, sounds like that could be it. I'm off to bed, will look at it tomorrow unless someone else is faster
[01:17] <mamarley> Thanks :)
[01:19] <mamarley> It seems they have provided a KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE env var, so I can use that to test.
[07:45] <apachelogger> "What happens instead: kaffeine crashes"
[07:45] <apachelogger> that sounds very expected considering it aint maintained :O
[07:45] <apachelogger> or did they find a new master of the kaffeine?
[07:51] <valorie> not that I've heard
[07:51] <valorie> although I haven't read planet for a few days
[07:54] <valorie> how long after an application is dead does it get ripped out of the repos?
[07:54] <Tm_T> am I bad person, I rarely use desktop applications for ~anything nowadays
[07:55] <Tm_T> can't even remember how many years ago I used Kaffeine last time
[07:55] <valorie> Tm_T: that is the definition of a bad person, yes
[07:55] <valorie> :-)
[07:55] <Tm_T> I'm too used to have everything in browser /:
[07:56] <valorie> ah, and here i thought you were cli this and cli that
[07:56] <Tm_T> well, my cli is in browser too (;
[07:56] <valorie> lol
[08:02] <valorie> I prefer yakuake
[08:04] <Tm_T> I use Chrome's hterm and Konsole side by side
[08:04] <valorie> interesting; I had no idea chrome had a terminal!
[08:04] <Tm_T> it's the terminal for ChromeOS
[08:05] <Tm_T> http://git.chromium.org/gitweb/?p=chromiumos/platform/assets.git;a=blob;f=chromeapps/nassh/doc/faq.txt && https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/secure-shell/pnhechapfaindjhompbnflcldabbghjo
[08:14] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:31] <apachelogger> I hate it when bugs turn out to be architecture insufficencies -.-
[09:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: I reported a wall of bugs for all l10n issues hoping this will get things moving :S
[09:59] <apachelogger> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-patched-l10n/13.10ubuntu2 that stuff isn't helping btw :S
[10:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: how is it not helping?
[10:37] <sgclark> morning
[10:44] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[10:45] <sgclark> hello
[10:51] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get any more done last night?
[10:52] <sgclark> Riddell: almost done with it, stuck on a list-missing file, driving me batty haha. the file is there..
[10:53] <Riddell> hmm, 4.13 in April http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.13_Release_Schedule
[10:53] <Riddell> thats going to leave us with the decision of what to ship in 14.04
[10:56] <Riddell> sgclark: what's the file? what's the problem with it?
[10:56] <sgclark> It builds just fine but debuild claims that kcharselect-data is missing, I have kcharselect and kdelibs5-data as dependencies, and when I do a find the file is where it is supposed to be, I am not sure why it is listing as missing..
[10:56] <sgclark> and I got pbuilder working :)
[10:57] <soee> Riddell, +1 for 4.13 :D
[11:02] <Riddell> looks like it'll be too tight
[11:02] <Riddell> sgclark: send me the sources you have and I'll take a look
[11:05] <apachelogger> lovely, chroot install failures because of dbus
[11:05] <apachelogger> and that weird systemd thing
[11:05] <apachelogger> so awesome
[11:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: kubuntu-firefox-installer was a standalone kubuntu specific package, kubuntu-patched-l10n is gathering up string delta to canonical upstream source
[11:07] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/l10n
[11:09] <apachelogger> so what you did there was a) workaround the fact that kubuntu-firefox-installer was not exported into a langpack, yet it was still on launchpad so the strings were duplicated b) copy strings from a different package that are not being automatically recreated/dropped/whatever whenever patched-l10n is updated which now leads to the result that the translation foo for patched-l10n contains strings for a package that was since removed requiring 
[11:09] <apachelogger> someone to manually revert the addition of that file
[11:09] <sgclark> Riddell: should be getting email soon with link
[11:09] <apachelogger> oh c) if kubuntu-firefox-installer was still used and the strings would change they would continue to be untranslated until someone again manually copies the pot from kubuntu-firefox-installer to kubuntu-patched-l10n
[11:10] <apachelogger> d) the kubuntu-firefox-installer strings are being uselessly loaded into every kde application in saucy
[11:12] <Riddell> sgclark: golly what's all these patches?
[11:12] <sgclark> trash, I reverted back to original
[11:13] <Riddell> sgclark: I'm not sure you did, there's three patches in here "kcharselectdatapathfix  patch-reverse  revert "
[11:13] <Riddell> sgclark: maybe quilt is the next lesson needed :)
[11:14] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah I am not versed in this system patching
[11:20] <Riddell> sgclark: hmm I see what you mean, it doesn't get installed to a good place
[11:22] <sgclark> Riddell: yeah, any idea how to fix? :) my attempts failed
[11:24] <Riddell> it's a pretty fundamental issue that needs worked out, you just had the misfortune to come over it first
[11:25] <Riddell> kde4libs has cmake run with -DDATA_INSTALL_DIR=/usr/share/kde4/apps
[11:25] <Riddell> so the data files get installed there
[11:25] <Riddell> that value must be saved somewhere so it gets picked up by any other kde build
[11:25] <Riddell> question is where do we need to do the equivalent to kf5
[11:29] <Riddell> it's saved to /usr/share/kde4/apps/cmake/modules/KDELibsDependencies.cmake
[11:40] <Riddell> sgclark: looks like we need to do something to extra-cmake-modules
[11:43] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, I have no idea what or how :(
[11:45] <Riddell> sgclark: no I'm still working it out
[11:46] <Riddell> needs some pondering
[11:46] <sgclark> ok :) thank you
[11:46] <Riddell> sgclark: I think you can safely move on to another package, you've done great on this one
[11:46] <sgclark> I am working on another one
[12:07] <sgclark> Riddell: my next package is uploaded to that ubuntu one
[12:31] <Riddell> sgclark: kwidgetsaddons uploaded! (should be fixed with build against new extra-cmake-modules I modified)
[12:34] <sgclark> Riddell: thanks :) did you see I put up kplotting for your review
[12:34] <Riddell> sgclark: yep, onto it
[12:34] <Riddell> I've found this page has some 1 line descriptions for the frameworks, might be useful http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List
[12:35] <sgclark> nice, thanks
[12:35] <Riddell> sgclark: "These files do not contain any license information" just assume they're covered by the global licence then, no need for an extra copyright paragraph
[12:36] <sgclark> Ridell: ok
[12:52] <mamarley> yofel: I have an update on the kwin jerkiness bug I was talking about yesterday.  I tried 4.11.5 again with the env var set to disable the buffer age extension, but the problem still occurred.
[12:52] <mamarley> I am still pretty sure it has something to do with that change though.
[12:52] <Riddell> sgclark: uploaded kplotting, you're on a roll
[12:52] <sgclark> :)
[12:54] <Riddell> oh I failed to upload e-c-m properly meaning kwidgetsaddons failed, we'll just retry in a bit
[13:59] <Riddell> shadeslayer: how's kglobalaccel doing?
[14:33] <sgclark> Riddell: kwindowsystem has to have a running window manager for these tests to pass, I am having issues making that happen . Ideas?
[14:44] <sgclark> nevermind I got it
[14:44] <Riddell> damn you're good :)
[14:44] <sgclark> :)
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: kwindowsystem ready for your review in the ubuntu one folder
[15:07] <sgclark> Riddell: last of tier one that I can see, more to do?
[15:10] <Riddell> awooga
[15:11] <Riddell> sgclark: I think kglobalaccel is for the taking
[15:11] <Riddell> not heard from shadeslayer today
[15:11] <sgclark> ok
[15:35] <sgclark> Riddell: I have the exact same file issue as kwidgetaddons in kglobalaccel
[15:36] <Riddell> sgclark: grab the new extra-cmake-modules from the experimental PPA
[15:36] <sgclark> ok ty
[15:51] <sgclark> Riddell: paste.ubuntu.com/6727235/ still does not work , different path variable?
[16:10] <Riddell> sgclark: ignore those
[16:11] <sgclark> ok
[16:15] <mamarley> yofel: Should I file a bug on Launchpad and/or the KDE bugzilla for the kwin jerkiness bug I was talking about yesterday?
[16:16] <yofel> feel free to. I'll upgrade my nvidia notebook once I'm home and see what happens
[16:16] <yofel> bbl
[16:17] <mamarley> Great, thanks!  Which one, or both?
[16:18] <mamarley> yofel: Also, I'm not sure if you saw my message from earlier today, but using the KWIN_USE_BUFFER_AGE=0 env var to disable buffer age doesn't work around the problem.
[16:19] <Riddell> sgclark: those dbus files need some thinking about as they overlap the same ones from kdelibs4
[16:19] <Riddell> so just ignore them for now and I'll have a think about how to rename them
[16:20] <Darkwing> huh, you don't need a third party app to ssh with a chromebook. Hello new dev machine.
[16:20] <sgclark> ok, makes sense
[16:22] <sgclark> Riddell: I have uploaded what I have for kglobalaccel into the ubuntu one folder
[16:23] <Riddell> awooga
[16:23] <Riddell> Darkwing: oh you have a chromebook? what's it like?
[16:23] <Darkwing> Brilliant. 
[16:24] <Darkwing> It's like running Google Chrome. 
[16:24] <Darkwing> I didn't realize how much you can do with webapps.
[16:24] <Darkwing> There are thousands of offline apps. I use Google Docs anyway
[16:24] <Riddell> what display manager does it run?
[16:25] <Darkwing> It's own simple launcher.
[16:25] <Riddell> but is it X or that andoid one or something else?
[16:25] <Darkwing> I think it's something else.
[16:25] <Riddell> surfaceflinger isn't it called?
[16:26] <Darkwing> I have the Samsung ARM one.
[16:26] <Darkwing> Battery lasts me about 7-8 hours.
[16:26] <Darkwing> takes about 4 seconds to boot.
[16:26] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to take off for a bit, just email me with your reviews if there are issues and perhaps more for for me to do when I get back
[16:26] <jacky> I don't think it's surface flinger
[16:27] <jacky> It might be X.
[16:27] <Riddell> sgclark: tier 2 next :)
[16:27] <sgclark> Riddell: ok :)
[16:27] <Riddell> Darkwing: is has a console?
[16:27] <Darkwing> Yes.
[16:27] <Darkwing> http://www.geek.com/news/chrome-os-introduces-aura-window-manager-1481937/
[16:28] <Darkwing> actually, with developer mode, I can (and have) sideloaded Ubuntu.
[16:28] <Darkwing> simple button combo and switch between the two.
[16:29] <Riddell> you can book the ubuntu arm images?
[16:30] <Darkwing> Yup
[16:31] <Riddell> so the question is, what has chrome done right to get linux sold in big shops to consumers that years of linux distro companies have not?
[16:31] <Darkwing> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-install-linux-on-a-chromebook-and-unlock-its-ful-509039343
[16:31] <Darkwing> Google and marketing.
[16:31] <maco> i think Apple helps
[16:31] <Riddell> Apple?
[16:31] <maco> used to be you couldnt sell someone on the idea of a repo
[16:31] <maco> "but why cant i just install random things from the internet?"
[16:32] <maco> and then Apple made the App Store
[16:32] <Darkwing> bingo.
[16:32] <maco> and then App Stores were COOL
[16:32] <Riddell> mm yes
[16:32] <jacky> (Sadly,) Apple = cool or acceptable
[16:32] <jacky> take NFC or Bluetooth LE for example
[16:32] <jacky> I've had a few friends sell everything they had of NFC just to switch over to BLE
[16:32] <jacky> to support more platforms
[16:33] <jacky> if Apple added NFC support to the devices, it probably wouldn't have been so
[16:34] <Darkwing> I think that massive amounts of money from a known company helps.
[16:35] <Darkwing> plus, flooding the system.
[16:35] <Darkwing> Canonical actually has a (slim) chance at doing it.
[16:36] <jacky> They need to get TVs down.
[16:36] <Darkwing> The Ubuntu Edge may have failed from a kickstarter standpoint but, it created buzz, so when/if they finally release a phone and tablet that will seamless transition with the desktop... It could work.
[16:36] <jacky> Maybe I'm loopy, but CES has been *very* big on TVs. And more recent set-tops have "smart" systems.
[16:36] <Darkwing> It was a massive success from a marketing standpoint...
[16:36] <jacky> That + phone/tablet = full convergence - desktop
[16:36] <jacky> It was
[16:36] <Darkwing> Yup.
[16:37] <Darkwing> It was brilliant.
[16:37] <jacky> still is, imho
[16:37] <jacky> Now, they just need more hw guys. Samsung's not going to do it.
[16:37] <jacky> LG might
[16:37] <Darkwing> honestly, the only reason I'm not running Ubuntu Touch on my Nexus 4 is Ingress.
[16:38] <jacky> but they might be locked in due to the OHA thing
[16:38] <Darkwing> and if they decided to put tethering on it... I might just run Ingress from my tablet.
[16:39] <jacky> wait, like tethering from your Nexus 4 to your tablet?
[16:41] <jacky> Ah, you mean from Ubuntu Touch
[16:41] <jacky> that should be very possible
[16:41] <jacky> using the latest versions of network-manager and bluez handles that really well
[16:42] <Darkwing> orga said it's not fully working yet.
[16:42] <jacky> d'oh
[16:42] <Darkwing> I've been following.
[16:42] <Darkwing> :)
[16:42] <Darkwing> Dunno, the wife and I play Ingress together.
[16:44] <jacky> I have to get back into it
[16:44] <Darkwing> Enlightened or Resistance?
[16:44] <jacky> Resistance
[16:45] <Darkwing> You're dead to me :P:P
[17:08] <Tm_T> Darkwing: it's your own fault on being on the wrong side
[19:29] <mamarley> yofel: Here's the KDE bug report: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329821
[19:33] <mamarley> And the Ubuntu one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-workspace/+bug/1267977
[19:41] <cyphermox> jacky: Darkwing: yes, it's perfectly possible
[19:41] <cyphermox> (tethering) you just need to do a lot of magic manually
[20:07] <jacky> don't we always? :)
[20:07] <jacky> It's using a PANU connection between the devices, no
[20:22] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley)
[21:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'm on a spaceship that is time travelling
[21:04] <yofel> lolwhat?
[21:05] <shadeslayer> Flying back to india through so many timezones
[21:05] <shadeslayer> yofel takes the fun out of everything
[21:05] <yofel> well, I kinda assumed something like that ^^
[21:06] <yofel> enjoy the trip ;)
[21:06] <shadeslayer> Well, I got access to a fancy lounge
[21:06] <shadeslayer> though I think it's over hyped :P
[21:06] <shadeslayer> seats aren't particularly comfy here
[21:26] <Riddell> shadeslayer: fancy lounges are about the only thing I miss from working at canonical, I just gained a taste for free booze