| shauno | diddledan: you about perchance? | 01:00 |
|---|---|---|
| diddledan | ello | 01:00 |
| daftykins | ah-har my fellow late nighters | 01:01 |
| shauno | yeah, it's a bit suspect when you think there's a good chance someone will be here at 1am ;) | 01:01 |
| diddledan | hehe :-p | 01:01 |
| shauno | quick wp Q; I have a theme I customized for a friend a few years back. I'm trying to bring it up to date, and I'm realising that my "pull it into my text editor and have at it" method doesn't update well | 01:02 |
| shauno | what's the proper way to create a .. subtheme? or at least what do they call it so I can google | 01:02 |
| diddledan | child theme is the technical term | 01:02 |
| shauno | hm, that looks like a darned good start | 01:03 |
| diddledan | all a child theme requires to operate is a style.css which includes a standard wordpress style.css comment first-off which the addition of a line that reads something like "Template: parent-theme" | 01:03 |
| diddledan | then you create files which override the parent | 01:03 |
| diddledan | so if the parent has an index.php and the child also has one then the child takes precedence | 01:04 |
| shauno | I can pull php into that too? there's quite a few code tweaks too | 01:04 |
| shauno | ah, cool | 01:04 |
| diddledan | oh you'll probably want to pub an @include statement in your style.css to include the parent's css and then put your overrides below that | 01:04 |
| diddledan | or is it @import? | 01:05 |
| diddledan | I forget | 01:05 |
| diddledan | probably the latter now I think of it | 01:05 |
| diddledan | @include is a sass-ism I believe | 01:05 |
| shauno | import, but yeah | 01:05 |
| shauno | google seems to have coughed up enough to keep me busy for now :) | 01:08 |
| shauno | my previous method was 'grep for comments that start with my initials', which was .. well it's helping, but still a bit blunt | 01:08 |
| knightwise | hello everyone :) | 06:00 |
| MartijnVdS | \o | 06:00 |
| knightwise | hey MartijnVdS ! ;-) Happy friday to ya ! :) | 06:00 |
| MartijnVdS | knightwise: my vm got rebooted :( | 06:06 |
| knightwise | No worries MartijnVdS :) It happens to the best of us | 06:10 |
| MartijnVdS | https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/t/bigv-head24-outage/1769 | 06:10 |
| knightwise | Just finished a big project in my house | 06:10 |
| MartijnVdS | you now have running water? | 06:10 |
| knightwise | exporting ALL our music from iTunes and making it cross-platform accessible :) | 06:10 |
| MartijnVdS | Plumbing? | 06:10 |
| MartijnVdS | Electricity? | 06:10 |
| MartijnVdS | :) | 06:11 |
| knightwise | iTunesExporter + Samba share + Plex :) | 06:11 |
| knightwise | Add a Sonos to the mix and .. Cross platform open source friendly music for the family | 06:11 |
| MartijnVdS | sonos isn't really free though | 06:17 |
| MartijnVdS | but: if your house is big enough to need multiple speakers -- cool :) | 06:37 |
| knightwise | Not free , but also not hogging any data in a proprietary fashion | 06:41 |
| knightwise | We have a sonos 1 downstairs. Might add one for the bathroom/bedroom in the future | 06:42 |
| * knightwise is gonna have a quick breakfast | 06:42 | |
| MooDoo | morning | 07:04 |
| Myrtti | möh | 07:04 |
| Myrtti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R94Q6NhuS3A ♥ | 07:22 |
| knightwise | Plex seems to have a little trouble with my +15000 song database | 08:03 |
| knightwise | music collention i meant | 08:03 |
| diplo | Morning all | 09:05 |
| SuperMatt | morning | 09:05 |
| jussi | Im very happy it is friday | 09:13 |
| jussi | :) | 09:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | Anyone here using KVM? | 09:17 |
| TwistedLucidity | Got a wee question about back-ups. | 09:18 |
| knightwise | no :( I'm using virtualbox | 09:20 |
| knightwise | anyone know anything about what happens when you put a network card in "host only" mode ? | 09:20 |
| === Carlos is now known as Guest85083 | ||
| TwistedLucidity | It's only visible to the host, and ot other VM's running on that host in "host only" mode | 09:22 |
| knightwise | ok , i'll try to explain | 09:24 |
| knightwise | my host machine (running my vms) has 2 network cards | 09:24 |
| knightwise | one connected to my internal network | 09:24 |
| knightwise | one connected to my 'dmz' | 09:24 |
| diddledan | morning | 09:24 |
| knightwise | i've setup a virtual machine that I have configured to connect to my network using the adapter that is connected to the DMZ network | 09:25 |
| TwistedLucidity | Ah, you mean put a physcial card into "host only" mode; not the "host only" networking option? | 09:25 |
| knightwise | (and I put that adapter in bridget mode) | 09:25 |
| knightwise | bridgeD | 09:25 |
| TwistedLucidity | Bridged to DMZ, gotcha. | 09:25 |
| knightwise | so i want make absolutely sure that that VM doesnt talk to anything else EXCEPT the network connector that is tied to the DMZ | 09:26 |
| knightwise | so do I select "bridged mode" or "host only ? " | 09:26 |
| TwistedLucidity | Bridged. | 09:26 |
| knightwise | ok, | 09:26 |
| knightwise | because when I run etherape on that machine I do see some connections to my "internal" network going on | 09:26 |
| TwistedLucidity | If you select "Host only" it will only be able to talk to the host and other "host only" machines on the same host. | 09:27 |
| TwistedLucidity | "on that machine"? The host or the guest/VM | 09:27 |
| knightwise | on the guest vm | 09:27 |
| knightwise | the one I hooked to the DMZ connector and put into bridged mode | 09:27 |
| knightwise | somehow it seems to talk to my host machine/network that is running my vms | 09:28 |
| TwistedLucidity | It can talk to the host as the host is also on the DMZ. | 09:29 |
| TwistedLucidity | If the guest can get from the DMZ to internal, isn't that just the host doing some routing? | 09:30 |
| TwistedLucidity | I'm not a networking expert, so I could be talking out my hat. | 09:30 |
| knightwise | yes , but not with the 172.16.50.0 address my guest is seeing | 09:30 |
| knightwise | thats my INTERNAL ip range | 09:30 |
| knightwise | ah holdon | 09:31 |
| knightwise | I think its resolving that name from my DNZ network adapter | 09:31 |
| knightwise | my machine is still "answering" on that interface too | 09:31 |
| knightwise | you are correct | 09:31 |
| knightwise | but there are no services published on that ip. | 09:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | You could trying fiddling around with iptables to further isolate the guest, but I'm afraid I couldn't help you with that | 09:32 |
| knightwise | no problem :) I'm thinking of moving that machine to an old laptop anyway. that way i'm 100 procent sure there are no "bridges" between both networks | 09:33 |
| knightwise | just figured it out | 09:37 |
| knightwise | the traffic its seeing is broadcast traffic from the DMZ interface from my host adapter | 09:38 |
| knightwise | nothin to worry about :) | 09:38 |
| TwistedLucidity | \o/ | 09:47 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Peculiar People Day! :-D | 09:52 |
| MartijnVdS | JamesTait: Happy #ubuntu-uk day to you too! ;) | 09:52 |
| JamesTait | :-P | 09:52 |
| davmor2 | Morning all | 10:17 |
| brobostigon | morning boys and girls. | 10:28 |
| MooDoo | hello | 10:31 |
| === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte | ||
| brobostigon | morning MooDoo | 10:32 |
| popey | \o/ shipped https://www.tindie.com/products/Ryanteck/ryanteck-raspberry-pi-motor-controller-board/ | 10:42 |
| brobostigon | :) | 10:43 |
| diplo | Got a project for it already popey ? | 10:48 |
| * AlanBell is not feeling the love for pre-orders and kickstarters at the moment | 10:48 | |
| kvarley | How can I create a SFTP user that can ONLY read/write in /srv/mydomain.com ? | 10:50 |
| dwatkins | treat it as a user with ssh access to a chrooted jail, I guess, kvarley. | 10:52 |
| kvarley | Thanks dwatkins I'll check the wiki :) | 10:52 |
| dwatkins | Alternatively, put their web root into their home directory. You could even put their logs into their home directory. | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | it is built in now | 10:52 |
| AlanBell | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/chroot-users-with-openssh-an-easier-way-to-confine-users-to-their-home-directories/ | 10:52 |
| dwatkins | I have an account on a server with multiple websites on it, each user has a 'www' and a 'logs' directory in their home, under which the domains and logs are stored for their domains. | 10:53 |
| kvarley | The problem is it's an existing virtualhost so it has to be /srv/mydomain.com really | 10:53 |
| dwatkins | ah ok, not so easy to change, then | 10:53 |
| kvarley | I figured as much :P | 10:56 |
| popey | diplo: ya | 10:56 |
| * diplo buys one to open and close curtains in the morning/evening | 10:56 | |
| popey | its to go with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648 | 10:56 |
| popey | want to make a little wireless robot which scuttles about the house | 10:56 |
| diplo | AlanBell: Whats happening with the ubuntu pi cluster thing, lost track of what was happening | 10:56 |
| diplo | looks fun popey | 10:56 |
| AlanBell | diplo: we just got the rest of the money, so I will soon be ordering another batch of pi devices | 10:57 |
| diplo | Quite interested to do that with my eldest, let me know how you get on | 10:57 |
| AlanBell | and I am going to be organising a bit of a hack day | 10:57 |
| popey | diplo: yeah, thats the plan | 10:57 |
| popey | having a python powered robot in the house | 10:57 |
| popey | will be interesting to see how long the battery lasts running pi + controller + motors + maybe webcam | 10:59 |
| popey | might add some sensors to detect walls etc | 10:59 |
| brobostigon | sounds interesting, | 11:01 |
| diplo | Sounds great, my friend bought a remote device inc webcam to watch his kittens whilst he was at work and cost him £2-300 | 11:03 |
| awilkins | Why would you want to watch kittens via IP? | 11:06 |
| * awilkins remembers lolcats and concedes | 11:06 | |
| diplo | I honestly didn't work that out | 11:07 |
| diplo | :) | 11:07 |
| * awilkins wonders if there is potential in having a webcam site that shows live streams of kittens | 11:07 | |
| awilkins | I mean, people will pay to see other things on webcams | 11:07 |
| awilkins | Why not kittens | 11:07 |
| popey | ooh http://www.gizchina.com/2014/01/10/leaked-photos-video-meizu-mx3-running-ubuntu/ | 11:08 |
| awilkins | Apparently this guy is good for £300 and a certain amount of footling, he could subscribe to cutekittencams.com for a mere £10 a month | 11:08 |
| awilkins | Nice Chinese iPhone ripoff with Ubuntu on it... | 11:09 |
| popey | hardly an iphone rip off | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Apple will say so | 11:09 |
| popey | its gigantic for one thing | 11:09 |
| awilkins | Has curvy corners and a middly buttony thing | 11:10 |
| awilkins | Apart from being gigantic it looks very iPhone | 11:10 |
| awilkins | Is Ubuntuphone still a dual environment running Android as well? | 11:11 |
| awilkins | Or is that more a manufacturers decision? | 11:11 |
| jussi | looks more like a galaxy something :P | 11:11 |
| popey | ubuntu phone never was dual boot | 11:12 |
| popey | edge was | 11:12 |
| popey | yeah, looks like those giant htc / samsung things. | 11:13 |
| popey | dont like giant phones at all. still clinging on to my 4s | 11:13 |
| popey | even iphone 5 and 5s are too big for me | 11:13 |
| popey | i must have lady-hands | 11:13 |
| awilkins | I'm rather fond of my slightly enormous Nexus 4 | 11:13 |
| TwistedLucidity | Harder to lose down the back of the sofa? :-) | 11:15 |
| awilkins | Actually, without a case on it it's a slippery sucker | 11:16 |
| awilkins | You have to be careful about putting it on *slightly* inclined smooth surfaces because environmental vibrations make it drift and slip off | 11:16 |
| awilkins | And Gorilla glass is ace but the bezel must be made of VulnerableToDamageium | 11:16 |
| jussi | I have abroken N4 and a broken galaxy note 2... | 11:17 |
| awilkins | It's very nice without the case in the pocket - barely know it's there | 11:17 |
| popey | yeah, broke my n4 within a few days | 11:17 |
| popey | stupid frictionless back | 11:17 |
| foobarry | stupid sexy flanders | 11:17 |
| awilkins | But I have a case, every time I take it off I ding the bezel again within an hour | 11:18 |
| awilkins | They should make the bezel out of that memoflex stuff they make high-end spectacles from | 11:19 |
| jussi | awilkins: ++ | 11:23 |
| jussi | awilkins: did you see the new self healing back on some new LG? | 11:23 |
| * awilkins has now googled it | 11:24 | |
| awilkins | Neat | 11:25 |
| Myrtti | popey: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1046165765/egg-the-intelligent-cat-companion?ref=home_popular | 11:30 |
| popey | golly, thats doing well | 11:31 |
| MooDoo | wow | 11:40 |
| foobarry | you ever get that thing where sometimes you speak and you hear a voice that doesn't sound like you? | 11:41 |
| foobarry | lady in the shop asked if i wanted a receipt and i spoke and the voice sounded like moss "no thank you" from IT crowd | 11:42 |
| foobarry | i don't usually sound like moss | 11:42 |
| jussi | oooh, 4.3 arrived on the S3 :) | 11:43 |
| foobarry | http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2014/01/08/pay-per-minute-cafe/ | 11:44 |
| foobarry | much hipster | 11:44 |
| dwatkins | so trend | 11:46 |
| foobarry | some overlap with OSS projects http://www.boredpanda.com/sharp-suits-worst-client-comment-posters/ | 11:52 |
| TwistedLucidity | Reads like a "pay by the minute" mini make/hack-space. | 11:53 |
| TwistedLucidity | foobarry: Some of those are far too familiar.... | 11:56 |
| bigcalm | I need the help from somebody who knows how to play with files in a directory from the CLI. I need to touch each file in turn and sleep for 1 second between each one. That possible? | 12:04 |
| MooDoo | can't you do a for file in ls? or something similar not sure the exact syntax | 12:05 |
| awilkins | for F in * ; do touch $F ; sleep 1; done | 12:06 |
| bigcalm | That's the thing, I don't know how to do those things from the CLI :) | 12:06 |
| bigcalm | I could write it in PHP though :P | 12:06 |
| bigcalm | awilkins: ta :) | 12:06 |
| dwatkins | for i in * ; do touch "$i" ; sleep 1 ; done | 12:07 |
| === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away | ||
| bigcalm | Ah, good point, might have spaces | 12:07 |
| dwatkins | That's off the top of my head, bigcalm, but should do the job. | 12:07 |
| awilkins | Pah, I just assumed that bigcalm was sensible enough not to have stupid file names with spaces in | 12:07 |
| bigcalm | awilkins: these are files that have been uploaded by a client... | 12:08 |
| dwatkins | Never underestimate the ability of users to give things silly names. | 12:08 |
| MooDoo | dwatkins: I read that as never underestimate the power of the dark side lol | 12:08 |
| dwatkins | Users should be considered as evil, so that also applies, MooDoo. | 12:08 |
| davmor2 | dwatkins: you are dealing with bigcalm never assume! | 12:09 |
| * bigcalm kippers davmor2 | 12:09 | |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: hey the same rules applies to everyone else you just deserve it more :P | 12:10 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|walk | ||
| davmor2 | bigcalm: by the way that was a pretty funky pen but if I had it in my jacket pocket I would be terrified of ink leakage :) | 12:11 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: one of the reasons why I don't usually take it out of my office | 12:12 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: it seems to me to be the most attractively fundamentally flawed pen in the world though ;) | 12:14 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: did you hear about bigron? back in a&e | 12:14 |
| knightwise | exit | 12:15 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: no, I didn't. Oh dear. I hope he's pulling through | 12:15 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: seems he got dehydrated and his heart started playing up https://www.facebook.com/mel.wellsted?fref=ts | 12:17 |
| bigcalm | davmor2: I don't have access to her page | 12:20 |
| davmor2 | bigcalm: Mel Wellsted Heart but dehydrated so in new x in reply to What is up with Ron ??? | 12:21 |
| Myrtti | I'm at the moment encoding files from mp3 to amr-wb and that's basically the syntax I use to go through the files... | 12:24 |
| MartijnVdS | amr-wb? People actually use that?! | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | sure | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | brilliant for audiobooks | 12:25 |
| Myrtti | since Nexus 5 doesn't support ogg speex | 12:25 |
| MartijnVdS | Oh, I just use low-bitrate mp3 | 12:25 |
| popey | davmor2: would be proud, I'm listening to way a bit of 80's today http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc | 12:27 |
| === alan_g|walk is now known as alan_g | ||
| TwistedLucidity | "Jesus Jones", now there's some flashbacks. | 12:39 |
| davmor2 | popey: here have a biscuit for listening to the best decade of music | 12:41 |
| MartijnVdS | *second-best | 12:41 |
| davmor2 | MartijnVdS: Don't make me come over there, mostly cause I'll get wet and cold ;) | 12:49 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch | ||
| foobarry | Channel 4 has removed all its full-length programmes from the video-streaming site YouTube. | 13:24 |
| foobarry | It says it is directing viewers to its 4oD catch-up services instead. | 13:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | So no 4od on Linux then | 13:24 |
| marxjohnson | dammit | 13:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | Sorry, "GNU/Linux" | 13:24 |
| foobarry | no flash on linux soon innit? | 13:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | Probably | 13:24 |
| TwistedLucidity | Freedom haters | 13:24 |
| marxjohnson | You can use the Windows version of flash with pipelight | 13:25 |
| foobarry | no adobe flash anyway | 13:25 |
| foobarry | marxjohnson: is that proven stable tech? | 13:25 |
| marxjohnson | although milage varies | 13:25 |
| marxjohnson | is anything? :) | 13:25 |
| foobarry | until adobe stop flash for windows... | 13:25 |
| popey | you can extract pepper flash from chrome too | 13:26 |
| popey | no need for horrid windows flash | 13:26 |
| popey | you can have horrid linux flash | 13:26 |
| foobarry | i haz chrome | 13:26 |
| marxjohnson | Orly? | 13:26 |
| foobarry | but pepper flash isn't the same though | 13:26 |
| awilkins | Does pepper flash work on Netflix? No, because that's Silverlight, <slaps self> | 13:27 |
| awilkins | Need pepperlight | 13:27 |
| marxjohnson | pipelight is a reasonably good solution for silverlight stuff in my experience | 13:28 |
| popey | foobarry: isnt the same as what? | 13:28 |
| foobarry | just checking... | 13:29 |
| foobarry | pepper flash != adobe flash, i thought there were drm constraints, but maybe i'm wrong | 13:30 |
| foobarry | vsphere web client works on pepper, so i'm happy | 13:30 |
| MartijnVdS | foobarry: Pepper flash IS a version of Adobe flash | 13:30 |
| popey | just packaged differently | 13:31 |
| foobarry | 4od no worky on rooted/CM tablets so fail | 13:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | Well soon it will all be HTML5, so no need for Flash. But HTML5 with DRM, so no-go on GNU/Linux | 13:31 |
| TwistedLucidity | And now that the MPAA has joined the W3C, the situation will only worsen. | 13:31 |
| foobarry | why no go | 13:31 |
| foobarry | its possible to do it, since chromebokos work with netflix | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: oh? | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | TwistedLucidity: Widevine Content Decryption Module - Versie: 1.4.2.404 | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | Enables Widevine licenses for playback of HTML audio/video content. | 13:32 |
| MartijnVdS | part of my Chrome.. | 13:32 |
| TwistedLucidity | I might be mis-remembering then. But I thought HTML5 DRM'd video was dead on GNU/Linux. | 13:33 |
| TwistedLucidity | For some reason | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | well chrome has a plugin, no idea if it works, I don't know what "Widevine" is | 13:33 |
| MartijnVdS | http://www.widevine.com/wv_drm.html | 13:33 |
| foobarry | how do google ensure only chromebooks can run netflix? | 13:37 |
| === roht is now known as wadzi | ||
| awilkins | You can do DRM on Linux quite fine | 14:00 |
| awilkins | It's just a bit silly to implement it in open-source products | 14:01 |
| awilkins | Because someone will just turn the code into a decrypter / DRM stripper | 14:01 |
| diplo | foobarry: Isn't it a chip on their devices from memory | 14:01 |
| TwistedLucidity | Maybe that's why I thought it was a no-go. | 14:01 |
| awilkins | Maybe Chromebook + Netflix requires some kind of TPM interaction | 14:02 |
| === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g | ||
| awilkins | Like you have to testify to the server that you are running the approved of stack with a signature | 14:02 |
| * xnox loads up Backstreet Boys into my playlist =) | 14:04 | |
| MartijnVdS | xnox: Why?! | 14:21 |
| xnox | MartijnVdS: Never Say Never! And It's Friday Friday, gotta get down on Friday! | 14:22 |
| xnox | http://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0 | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | (because you want it that way?) | 14:22 |
| MartijnVdS | xnox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fndeDfaWCg | 14:23 |
| dwatkins | Friday, Friday... | 14:35 |
| dwatkins | xnox: you know she did this, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCzdpagXOQ | 14:35 |
| MartijnVdS | there's a sequel now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCzdpagXOQ | 14:35 |
| dwatkins | haha | 14:35 |
| MartijnVdS | ^5 dwatkins | 14:35 |
| dwatkins | I like that she takes the mickey out of herself a little in that, too | 14:35 |
| MartijnVdS | dwatkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nfV3S7sqI | 14:37 |
| xnox | dwatkins: omg =) she's grown up. | 14:37 |
| dwatkins | MartijnVdS: yeah, I bet she's sick of the word 'Friday' | 14:42 |
| directhex | is it bad to start boozing at 3pm to help cope with all-day parenting duties? | 14:58 |
| diddledan | directhex: it might be classed as being neglectful | 14:59 |
| Laney | only if you don't share it with child | 15:00 |
| foobarry | just watched sherlock, it was a bit silly | 15:00 |
| diddledan | foobarry: I'm not sure it was any more silly than the original conan doyle version | 15:04 |
| diddledan | but tbh it's been a while since I read it | 15:05 |
| foobarry | the wedding one was based on a book? | 15:05 |
| foobarry | has sherlock peaked already? | 15:05 |
| directhex | peak sherlock | 15:06 |
| directhex | sherlock production can only decline from here | 15:06 |
| directhex | as new sources of sherlock are discovered more slowly than existing sherlock reserves are exhausted | 15:06 |
| Laney | shale sherlock | 15:06 |
| foobarry | sherlock fracking? | 15:07 |
| directhex | deep-sea sherlock extraction | 15:07 |
| Laney | sherlock spews into the sea, causing devastation to coastal communities and wildlife | 15:07 |
| diddledan | foobarry: every episode so far has been based on the book of the same name | 15:08 |
| foobarry | i think people have been drinking | 15:08 |
| foobarry | it felt like a xmas episode | 15:09 |
| foobarry | a bit silly, less effort, etc | 15:09 |
| diddledan | I hate when sherlock spurts all over me | 15:10 |
| diddledan | :-p | 15:10 |
| diddledan | family friendly | 15:10 |
| foobarry | The story is set in 1888. The Sign of the Four has a complex plot involving service in East India Company, India, the Indian Rebellion of 1857, a stolen treasure, and a secret pact among four convicts ("the Four" of the title) and two corrupt prison guards. | 15:10 |
| foobarry | glad they haven't been glamorising the drug taking though | 15:11 |
| diplo | I didn't like the last one that much, got bored with it :/ | 15:12 |
| foobarry | my wife watched it from outside the room through a crack in the door | 15:12 |
| foobarry | because it was making her cringe | 15:12 |
| awilkins | We want more Irene Adler | 15:23 |
| awilkins | For painfully obvious reasons | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | So I'm writing an app which does everything using a key-value store in postgres. I've gotta admit, it really does feel really nice doing it that way | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | Oh, I know Irene Adler | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | aka Lara Pulver | 15:24 |
| awilkins | ? Postgres does KV storage? | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | not reall, you have two tables to represent key-value | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | and that's all you have | 15:24 |
| awilkins | http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/hstore.html | 15:24 |
| SuperMatt | Lara used to come in to my drama classes when I were a nipper | 15:25 |
| awilkins | She was pretty awesome in "Robin Hood" as well | 15:25 |
| awilkins | Although I feel she's probably now typecast as "feisty lady who holds her own with smouldering allure" | 15:25 |
| SuperMatt | that's close to who she is in real life though | 15:26 |
| SuperMatt | anyway, I'm not using hstore because I'd like to be able to use the same schema in mysql if I had to | 15:26 |
| awilkins | Probably true of many actors | 15:27 |
| SuperMatt | so I have two tables: objects and attributes | 15:27 |
| SuperMatt | objects has two columns: id and type | 15:27 |
| SuperMatt | attributes has id, key and value | 15:27 |
| awilkins | Hmm | 15:27 |
| SuperMatt | the ids then map | 15:27 |
| awilkins | Is there a reason why you need the attributes as separate rows? | 15:27 |
| awilkins | Indexing, etc? | 15:27 |
| awilkins | Because this design doesn't really scale very well | 15:28 |
| SuperMatt | schemaless databases | 15:28 |
| awilkins | Wouldn't you be better off using a real K/V store? | 15:28 |
| SuperMatt | well, you should talk to reddit about that ;) | 15:28 |
| awilkins | I worked on an EHR app that tried to use this basic scheme | 15:28 |
| SuperMatt | this is how *they* do it | 15:28 |
| awilkins | We had prescription objects with 119 attributes | 15:28 |
| awilkins | And blood tests and all sorts | 15:29 |
| awilkins | It ground to a halt at around 10M objects because the selects on the attributes table were such a nightmare | 15:29 |
| awilkins | THe only code I've seen that actually *reliably* provoked deadlocks from MSSQL | 15:29 |
| awilkins | (for reference ; when the CEO proposed this model I said "that won't scale", but I was too junior at the time to be taken seriously) | 15:30 |
| SuperMatt | strange, they way I'm imagining this going is that as long as the ids are indexed, I should be able to select anything by its id *really* quickly | 15:30 |
| awilkins | Oh, yes, probably | 15:30 |
| awilkins | You really want to put the FK to the object id as a clustered index if it will support that | 15:31 |
| SuperMatt | I guess it might be a good idea to index the keys too | 15:31 |
| SuperMatt | just so I can narrow down the attributes quickly | 15:32 |
| awilkins | Our thing had an index on the CHAR(255) value column | 15:32 |
| awilkins | It was painful | 15:32 |
| SuperMatt | argh | 15:33 |
| awilkins | You don't really need the primary key on the attributes table | 15:33 |
| awilkins | Except for updates | 15:33 |
| awilkins | You want the object ID field on the attributes table to be the organizing principle of the data if you can coax your RDBMS into doing it (e.g. a clustered index ) | 15:34 |
| awilkins | But I could just be talking academia depending on how many rows you are scaling to | 15:34 |
| awilkins | What kind of insert performance you need, etc | 15:34 |
| SuperMatt | indee | 15:34 |
| SuperMatt | indeed | 15:34 |
| SuperMatt | well, for now it's only in alpha | 15:34 |
| SuperMatt | if I have to change it, I will | 15:35 |
| awilkins | Hooray for Agile | 15:35 |
| SuperMatt | well, it's just me working on it, so it's hardly agile ;) | 15:35 |
| awilkins | What I hate is people who don't want to risk changing things that don't work | 15:35 |
| awilkins | "We can't change it, it might break stuff.." "IT DOESN'T WORK NOW...." | 15:36 |
| SuperMatt | hahaha | 15:36 |
| awilkins | Also, people who object to changes that would fix things.... | 15:37 |
| awilkins | "It's covered by unit tests" "BUT WE'D HAVE TO DO A FULL SYSTEM TEST!!!" | 15:37 |
| awilkins | (after they broke my screen-scraping interface by changing their screen layouts. Which they were explicitly told not to do.) | 15:38 |
| awilkins | Wrote a regex-scraper instead of a column-matrix one | 15:38 |
| awilkins | They reverted the change to their layouts instead | 15:38 |
| Laney | someone recommend me some nice 2.1 PC speakers plz | 15:39 |
| Laney | these ones have a really annoying hum that I can't take any more | 15:39 |
| awilkins | This was for an "interface" that was clearly just something that programmatically drove a termainal | 15:39 |
| awilkins | Hmm. | 15:39 |
| awilkins | I have a set of 4.1 Creative ones that don't work properly anymore | 15:39 |
| awilkins | But I've been a 5.1 headphones type of guy for years | 15:40 |
| Laney | my headphones are ok | 15:40 |
| awilkins | Mostly because exploding noises were disturbing the other occupants of the house | 15:40 |
| bashrc | :) | 15:40 |
| Laney | I'd like to be able to hear the world | 15:40 |
| Laney | so I don't miss the phone, people at the door etc | 15:40 |
| SuperMatt | Laney: Logitech | 15:40 |
| Laney | these hummers are logitech | 15:41 |
| awilkins | http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/speaker-headphones/21-speakers | 15:41 |
| Laney | maybe cheap-ish ones though | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | oh, I've never had logitech hum at me | 15:41 |
| SuperMatt | though I normally spend a fair bit | 15:41 |
| Laney | I think they are a few years old | 15:41 |
| awilkins | What I always wanted was a set that you could plug your phones into and switch over easily | 15:42 |
| SuperMatt | Laney: how much are you looking to spend, and what kind of input will you be using? | 15:42 |
| awilkins | Because crawling behind my PC to replace 5 x 3.5mm jack is bad for my blood pressure | 15:42 |
| SuperMatt | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-980-000320-Z523-Speakers-Black/dp/B002MHYQJA/ <- this is the kind of money I would spend on 2.1 | 15:43 |
| Laney | yeah just 3.5mm | 15:43 |
| Laney | I dunno, could spend a bit if it's really worth it | 15:44 |
| awilkins | Never had something that uses the optical | 15:44 |
| SuperMatt | optical ftw | 15:44 |
| Laney | don't think I have optical out | 15:44 |
| === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea | ||
| Laney | oh it does have spdif | 15:46 |
| SuperMatt | well the one I linked to doesn't have spdif | 15:46 |
| Laney | just checked round the back | 15:46 |
| Laney | didn't even know it was there :P | 15:46 |
| SuperMatt | well now you know you have spdif, you could go 5.1 | 15:47 |
| Laney | not sure it'd be worth it | 15:47 |
| SuperMatt | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Z-906-Surround-Sound-Speakers/dp/B004MY4PU6/ <- I've got ones like these, but not this new | 15:47 |
| Laney | I don't really play PC games, and this room is pretty small | 15:47 |
| SuperMatt | fair enough | 15:47 |
| SuperMatt | each to their own | 15:47 |
| ali1234 | any bash experts? i need some help with job control: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6727253/ | 15:54 |
| Laney | $! just after you background a process contains that process's pid | 15:57 |
| SuperMatt | I have no idea what you're doing | 15:57 |
| ali1234 | open the serial port, wait 1 second, write a string, close serial port | 15:57 |
| === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g | ||
| SuperMatt | I really don't know :/ | 15:58 |
| ali1234 | all i need to do is run a command backgrounded, then run some other commands, then kill the backgrounded command | 15:59 |
| SuperMatt | could you not killall cat? | 16:01 |
| ali1234 | not really... what if i happened to be using cat forsometing else at the time? | 16:01 |
| SuperMatt | or ps auxww | grep cat | awk '{print $2}' to get the pid? | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | i think i got it anyway | 16:02 |
| davmor2 | SuperMatt: Don't say that round me and popey, popey tell him he is advertising the people killall cat :D | 16:02 |
| SuperMatt | or not auxww, cos that will get all of them, maybe just ps | 16:02 |
| SuperMatt | hahah | 16:02 |
| ali1234 | http://paste.ubuntu.com/6727309/ | 16:02 |
| SuperMatt | seems like it might work | 16:03 |
| davmor2 | popey: how is skye now? | 16:03 |
| popey | sleeping ☻ | 16:05 |
| foobarry | wow. chromebooks took 21% of US laptop market vs apple 4% last year | 16:39 |
| popey | "Year of the Linux desktop" | 16:41 |
| foobarry | http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/10/2014_chromebook_surge/ | 16:42 |
| foobarry | if you can bear to read register article | 16:42 |
| foobarry | i noticed move from arm -> intel though :( | 16:42 |
| foobarry | maybe lots of chrome sales were from people with laptops already ;) | 16:43 |
| SuperMatt | chromebook = good 'kiddie's first laptop' | 16:46 |
| foobarry | yeah | 16:47 |
| foobarry | not for school kids though it seems, as they keep on requiring some proprieatry windows crap on occasion | 16:47 |
| SuperMatt | ffs | 16:49 |
| directhex | chromebook surge = overstated | 16:49 |
| SuperMatt | although you can save as doc(x)? from google docs, right? | 16:49 |
| directhex | traffic stats on ye olde steamose website, i have more than twice as many visitors with Windows Phone as ChromeOS | 16:49 |
| SuperMatt | I've got to admit, I've never seen anyone using a chromebook in the wild | 16:51 |
| SuperMatt | maybe d0od will be able to tell us how his visitor stats from omgchrome stack up against omgubuntu | 16:51 |
| foobarry | easy to see, check facebook likes | 17:00 |
| SuperMatt | good point | 17:00 |
| SuperMatt | 1/11th the likes | 17:00 |
| popey | foobarry: loads of kids at wifeys school have chromebooks | 17:10 |
| AlanBell | I think I will be buying chromebook(s) this year | 17:10 |
| diddledan | I wonder why google haven't suggested a chromeslate? | 17:14 |
| diddledan | i.e. all the benefits of chromebook and all the benefits of tablet | 17:15 |
| davmor2 | diddledan: it's called android on a tablet | 17:16 |
| diddledan | I don't see android as being the same thing | 17:16 |
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| Myrtti | boggis bunce and bean... | 17:32 |
| diddledan | I was about to say the exact same thing, Myrtti | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | diddlydoodiddledan ;-) | 17:40 |
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| DJones | Interesting report http://insights.ubuntu.com/resources/article/ubuntu-scores-highest-in-uk-gov-security-assessment/ | 19:13 |
| salutes | Genius , pure genius (since 2005 , no less !) : http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/linuxiow | 19:18 |
| salutes | Whoopsie wrong channel . | 19:18 |
| SuperMatt | http://www.supermatt.net/2014/01/password-hashing/ <- this. yes or no? | 19:21 |
| czajkowski | popey: Laney https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdpFhx1IUAIcGAA.jpg:large | 19:40 |
| popey | ye olde | 19:40 |
| directhex | related: anyone have any feature requests before sunday? i'm planning on tagging | 19:51 |
| map|work | heylo | 20:07 |
| daftykins | hi | 20:09 |
| map|work | whatsup:D | 20:09 |
| map|work | watching eastenders? | 20:09 |
| daftykins | O_O | 20:14 |
| daftykins | good lord no! | 20:14 |
| map|work | O_o | 20:19 |
| map|work | do you follow/listen/watch or whatever any podcasts ? I never really got into podcasts | 20:20 |
| daftykins | nah i find i end up trying to do other things whilst listening, then don't actually pay attention :( | 20:20 |
| daftykins | i can't just sit and listen to something | 20:20 |
| map|work | hahaha that's kinda what I do too | 20:22 |
| map|work | next question:D do you read any linux sites/magazines? | 20:22 |
| daftykins | i used to watch LAS from jupiter broadcasting | 20:23 |
| daftykins | but other than that nah i know of no news forms for it | 20:23 |
| zleap | i have just pressed something in xchat that has detached the #dcglug chat window from the xchat progam any idea how to put it back please | 20:24 |
| daftykins | but then i more dabble than i am a real big user of it | 20:24 |
| map|work | you just need to drag it back into the main window i think zleap | 20:24 |
| map|work | dafty dont you use ubuntu as your main OS for everydya use? | 20:24 |
| daftykins | no sir | 20:24 |
| map|work | ah ok, windows? | 20:24 |
| daftykins | i have 3 Linux servers though | 20:24 |
| daftykins | yeah | 20:25 |
| daftykins | i mostly support windows + mac users | 20:25 |
| zleap | file manu - attach | 20:25 |
| map|work | ah | 20:25 |
| zleap | i think | 20:25 |
| map|work | what os do you 8use | 20:27 |
| daftykins | mostly on windows 7 across my personal systems | 20:27 |
| daftykins | actually you know i accidentally lied, i'm sat in front of my HTPC right now which is ubuntu | 20:27 |
| daftykins | :> | 20:27 |
| daftykins | but that doesn't count so much since it's really just booting straight into XBMC | 20:28 |
| map|work | what do you use linux for then | 20:28 |
| directhex | daftykins, i get a mention in LAS :D | 20:28 |
| daftykins | directhex: :O did they contact you about ye olde? | 20:28 |
| daftykins | map|work: servers mostly | 20:28 |
| directhex | daftykins, that's why i said a mention - they didn't contact me | 20:29 |
| map|work | LAS? | 20:29 |
| directhex | http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/48407/fedora-20-review-las-s30e02/ | 20:29 |
| map|work | ahh thanks | 20:29 |
| directhex | about 12:40 | 20:30 |
| daftykins | directhex: you always qualify things as if the words you use can only be interpreted one way, but language sir, is not a science | 20:30 |
| directhex | daftykins, i try to be extremely precise with my language, but you are correct that it may not be interpreted that way | 20:30 |
| daftykins | you could've been being modest :D but anywho exposure = good news \o/ | 20:31 |
| map|work | hm what servers do u run dafty? openVPN/apache/openFTPD/bind on my machine :D and it sounds so damn loud | 20:32 |
| daftykins | mostly web and file serving | 20:33 |
| daftykins | and since VMs are cheap - a dedicated VM solely for this IRC client 8D | 20:33 |
| map|work | i always mean to mess about with making like a domain controller so like my windows machines all share same user/pass and home dirs mapped to linux server - you any experience with that | 20:33 |
| map|work | tried it..and it didnt work right :) | 20:34 |
| daftykins | well, i find any windows machines attached to a domain instantly slow down | 20:34 |
| daftykins | plus it becomes a central point of failure setup | 20:34 |
| map|work | ah | 20:35 |
| map|work | central point of failure i agree..and agree but surely shared logins and userdir would be good? | 20:35 |
| foobarry | fedora: http://i.imgur.com/Yd1oEUt.jpg | 20:35 |
| daftykins | well, i have a local file server so my PCs are more like just clients already | 20:35 |
| daftykins | ugh Doge needs to go away as swiftly as it came about :P | 20:36 |
| foobarry | i do it to keep MartijnVdS happy | 20:36 |
| daftykins | ;) | 20:37 |
| map|work | oo[ps closed the window | 20:37 |
| map|work | what a mug | 20:37 |
| daftykins | foobarry: i'll let you off! | 20:37 |
| map|work | so how would you do shared user/pass and userdirs?! | 20:37 |
| map|work | or was the point you wouldnt? | 20:37 |
| daftykins | nah i wouldn't see the need | 20:39 |
| daftykins | it comes at too high a cost :) | 20:39 |
| daftykins | although it could be fun to play with | 20:40 |
| map|work | well surely thats what they do in unis? | 20:40 |
| daftykins | doesn't Linux have its' own native directory services equivalent 0o | 20:40 |
| map|work | hmm not sure, ive seen samba being used as a PDC with windows machines and shared home dir/user pass | 20:40 |
| map|work | kerberos - whats that used for? | 20:40 |
| foobarry | what do you want to achieve? | 20:41 |
| map|work | well like a work/uni environment where you can logon to any machine with your l/p and its got the same homedir so the homedir must be mounted off the server | 20:41 |
| foobarry | yep | 20:42 |
| daftykins | yeah back in my uni department they were NFS mounts i think | 20:42 |
| map|work | and it uses the l/p off server - just wondering how best to do it (i dont need to at all..just curious/interested/learning) | 20:42 |
| foobarry | ldap, nfs, autmount | 20:42 |
| daftykins | ah yeah LDAP | 20:42 |
| map|work | ah so no samba PDC needed at all? | 20:42 |
| daftykins | not if it's fully native | 20:42 |
| foobarry | with linux clients? | 20:42 |
| foobarry | not with linux | 20:42 |
| map|work | with windows clients for now.. | 20:42 |
| map|work | could you do windows clients with ldap? | 20:43 |
| foobarry | AD = ldap (kindof) | 20:43 |
| map|work | ah | 20:43 |
| map|work | so yes should work with linux and windows | 20:43 |
| foobarry | samba can implement this but its a massive pain | 20:43 |
| map|work | so if i used openldap/nfs/automount - it would work like i was talking? yea i tried with samba before and it never worked quite right..emoty home dirs after login lol | 20:44 |
| foobarry | if you want full AD features like group policy etc | 20:44 |
| foobarry | domain auth etc | 20:44 |
| map|work | ah | 20:44 |
| map|work | whats kerberos used for? sure ive seen that mentioned loads on my travels | 20:45 |
| daftykins | pure authentication | 20:45 |
| daftykins | afaik at least | 20:46 |
| map|work | yea SSO i remember reading | 20:46 |
| map|work | so not essential | 20:46 |
| daftykins | nah it's just a mechanism for authenticating safely, with remote systems i think | 20:46 |
| foobarry | you can use windows AD server for the win hosts, and add a couple of posix aatributes to the AD schema (this is supported) for the linux clients to auth against AD | 20:46 |
| map|work | oh i thought it was single sign on..i dunno :) | 20:47 |
| map|work | thanks foobarry il mess about with it later-like i say its just for interest/learning | 20:47 |
| foobarry | hybrid environments are a bit sucky | 20:48 |
| map|work | too much of a headache to do it now (stupid flu) :( | 20:48 |
| foobarry | what ends up happening is companies get windows guys in to design the AD auth and they never consider non windows clients ever | 20:49 |
| foobarry | man, the LAS guys just talk over each other at the same time | 20:49 |
| foobarry | i can't bear it | 20:50 |
| daftykins | hehe | 20:50 |
| daftykins | i mostly thought the guy on the left never got a word in ;) | 20:50 |
| foobarry | not sure how up to date this is map|work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto | 20:51 |
| foobarry | i think fedora can auth against AD out of the box for many versions now | 20:51 |
| map|work | thanks foo | 20:54 |
| map|work | SHERLOCK SEASON3 FINALE WILL MET THE INTERNET | 20:54 |
| map|work | So says the radiotimes :) | 20:54 |
| foobarry | http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/enable-hardware-acceleration-in-chrome.html | 20:55 |
| foobarry | thoughts? | 20:55 |
| foobarry | need to remember to check this on my work pc | 20:56 |
| map|work | will read in sec eating and watching enders:D | 20:57 |
| foobarry | traitor | 20:57 |
| foobarry | ;P | 20:57 |
| foobarry | even 1ms of that programme depresses me | 20:58 |
| map|work | lol | 21:00 |
| map|work | im at work so it's ok | 21:00 |
| map|work | someone just came in to speak to me and ive got this up and iplayer | 21:00 |
| map|work | LOL | 21:00 |
| map|work | working hard clearly :D | 21:00 |
| foobarry | might have an early night | 21:01 |
| foobarry | expecting baby to wake at 3am | 21:01 |
| map|work | i think they cap the bw here now fs | 21:08 |
| map|work | cant see it being browser related? | 21:08 |
| map|work | i always get errors about insufficient bw | 21:09 |
| map|work | although youtube's fine | 21:09 |
| daftykins | errors talking about bandwidth? how odd | 21:21 |
| map|work | when i stream stuff off iplayer ya | 21:23 |
| map|work | but it's working now in ffox | 21:23 |
| map|work | 38mbs ping download 50mbit upload 10.6 clearly enough | 21:23 |
| map|work | http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3222784378 | 21:24 |
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