[01:00] diddledan: you about perchance? [01:00] ello [01:01] ah-har my fellow late nighters [01:01] yeah, it's a bit suspect when you think there's a good chance someone will be here at 1am ;) [01:01] hehe :-p [01:02] quick wp Q; I have a theme I customized for a friend a few years back. I'm trying to bring it up to date, and I'm realising that my "pull it into my text editor and have at it" method doesn't update well [01:02] what's the proper way to create a .. subtheme? or at least what do they call it so I can google [01:02] child theme is the technical term [01:03] hm, that looks like a darned good start [01:03] all a child theme requires to operate is a style.css which includes a standard wordpress style.css comment first-off which the addition of a line that reads something like "Template: parent-theme" [01:03] then you create files which override the parent [01:04] so if the parent has an index.php and the child also has one then the child takes precedence [01:04] I can pull php into that too? there's quite a few code tweaks too [01:04] ah, cool [01:04] oh you'll probably want to pub an @include statement in your style.css to include the parent's css and then put your overrides below that [01:05] or is it @import? [01:05] I forget [01:05] probably the latter now I think of it [01:05] @include is a sass-ism I believe [01:05] import, but yeah [01:08] google seems to have coughed up enough to keep me busy for now :) [01:08] my previous method was 'grep for comments that start with my initials', which was .. well it's helping, but still a bit blunt [06:00] hello everyone :) [06:00] \o [06:00] hey MartijnVdS ! ;-) Happy friday to ya ! :) [06:06] knightwise: my vm got rebooted :( [06:10] No worries MartijnVdS :) It happens to the best of us [06:10] https://forum.bytemark.co.uk/t/bigv-head24-outage/1769 [06:10] Just finished a big project in my house [06:10] you now have running water? [06:10] exporting ALL our music from iTunes and making it cross-platform accessible :) [06:10] Plumbing? [06:10] Electricity? [06:11] :) [06:11] iTunesExporter + Samba share + Plex :) [06:11] Add a Sonos to the mix and .. Cross platform open source friendly music for the family [06:17] sonos isn't really free though [06:37] but: if your house is big enough to need multiple speakers -- cool :) [06:41] Not free , but also not hogging any data in a proprietary fashion [06:42] We have a sonos 1 downstairs. Might add one for the bathroom/bedroom in the future [06:42] * knightwise is gonna have a quick breakfast [07:04] morning [07:04] möh [07:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R94Q6NhuS3A ♥ [08:03] Plex seems to have a little trouble with my +15000 song database [08:03] music collention i meant [09:05] Morning all [09:05] morning [09:13] Im very happy it is friday [09:13] :) [09:17] Anyone here using KVM? [09:18] Got a wee question about back-ups. [09:20] no :( I'm using virtualbox [09:20] anyone know anything about what happens when you put a network card in "host only" mode ? === Carlos is now known as Guest85083 [09:22] It's only visible to the host, and ot other VM's running on that host in "host only" mode [09:24] ok , i'll try to explain [09:24] my host machine (running my vms) has 2 network cards [09:24] one connected to my internal network [09:24] one connected to my 'dmz' [09:24] morning [09:25] i've setup a virtual machine that I have configured to connect to my network using the adapter that is connected to the DMZ network [09:25] Ah, you mean put a physcial card into "host only" mode; not the "host only" networking option? [09:25] (and I put that adapter in bridget mode) [09:25] bridgeD [09:25] Bridged to DMZ, gotcha. [09:26] so i want make absolutely sure that that VM doesnt talk to anything else EXCEPT the network connector that is tied to the DMZ [09:26] so do I select "bridged mode" or "host only ? " [09:26] Bridged. [09:26] ok, [09:26] because when I run etherape on that machine I do see some connections to my "internal" network going on [09:27] If you select "Host only" it will only be able to talk to the host and other "host only" machines on the same host. [09:27] "on that machine"? The host or the guest/VM [09:27] on the guest vm [09:27] the one I hooked to the DMZ connector and put into bridged mode [09:28] somehow it seems to talk to my host machine/network that is running my vms [09:29] It can talk to the host as the host is also on the DMZ. [09:30] If the guest can get from the DMZ to internal, isn't that just the host doing some routing? [09:30] I'm not a networking expert, so I could be talking out my hat. [09:30] yes , but not with the 172.16.50.0 address my guest is seeing [09:30] thats my INTERNAL ip range [09:31] ah holdon [09:31] I think its resolving that name from my DNZ network adapter [09:31] my machine is still "answering" on that interface too [09:31] you are correct [09:31] but there are no services published on that ip. [09:32] You could trying fiddling around with iptables to further isolate the guest, but I'm afraid I couldn't help you with that [09:33] no problem :) I'm thinking of moving that machine to an old laptop anyway. that way i'm 100 procent sure there are no "bridges" between both networks [09:37] just figured it out [09:38] the traffic its seeing is broadcast traffic from the DMZ interface from my host adapter [09:38] nothin to worry about :) [09:47] \o/ [09:52] Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Peculiar People Day! :-D [09:52] JamesTait: Happy #ubuntu-uk day to you too! ;) [09:52] :-P [10:17] Morning all [10:28] morning boys and girls. [10:31] hello === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [10:32] morning MooDoo [10:42] \o/ shipped https://www.tindie.com/products/Ryanteck/ryanteck-raspberry-pi-motor-controller-board/ [10:43] :) [10:48] Got a project for it already popey ? [10:48] * AlanBell is not feeling the love for pre-orders and kickstarters at the moment [10:50] How can I create a SFTP user that can ONLY read/write in /srv/mydomain.com ? [10:52] treat it as a user with ssh access to a chrooted jail, I guess, kvarley. [10:52] Thanks dwatkins I'll check the wiki :) [10:52] Alternatively, put their web root into their home directory. You could even put their logs into their home directory. [10:52] it is built in now [10:52] http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/chroot-users-with-openssh-an-easier-way-to-confine-users-to-their-home-directories/ [10:53] I have an account on a server with multiple websites on it, each user has a 'www' and a 'logs' directory in their home, under which the domains and logs are stored for their domains. [10:53] The problem is it's an existing virtualhost so it has to be /srv/mydomain.com really [10:53] ah ok, not so easy to change, then [10:56] I figured as much :P [10:56] diplo: ya [10:56] * diplo buys one to open and close curtains in the morning/evening [10:56] its to go with http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2648 [10:56] want to make a little wireless robot which scuttles about the house [10:56] AlanBell: Whats happening with the ubuntu pi cluster thing, lost track of what was happening [10:56] looks fun popey [10:57] diplo: we just got the rest of the money, so I will soon be ordering another batch of pi devices [10:57] Quite interested to do that with my eldest, let me know how you get on [10:57] and I am going to be organising a bit of a hack day [10:57] diplo: yeah, thats the plan [10:57] having a python powered robot in the house [10:59] will be interesting to see how long the battery lasts running pi + controller + motors + maybe webcam [10:59] might add some sensors to detect walls etc [11:01] sounds interesting, [11:03] Sounds great, my friend bought a remote device inc webcam to watch his kittens whilst he was at work and cost him £2-300 [11:06] Why would you want to watch kittens via IP? [11:06] * awilkins remembers lolcats and concedes [11:07] I honestly didn't work that out [11:07] :) [11:07] * awilkins wonders if there is potential in having a webcam site that shows live streams of kittens [11:07] I mean, people will pay to see other things on webcams [11:07] Why not kittens [11:08] ooh http://www.gizchina.com/2014/01/10/leaked-photos-video-meizu-mx3-running-ubuntu/ [11:08] Apparently this guy is good for £300 and a certain amount of footling, he could subscribe to cutekittencams.com for a mere £10 a month [11:09] Nice Chinese iPhone ripoff with Ubuntu on it... [11:09] hardly an iphone rip off [11:09] Apple will say so [11:09] its gigantic for one thing [11:10] Has curvy corners and a middly buttony thing [11:10] Apart from being gigantic it looks very iPhone [11:11] Is Ubuntuphone still a dual environment running Android as well? [11:11] Or is that more a manufacturers decision? [11:11] looks more like a galaxy something :P [11:12] ubuntu phone never was dual boot [11:12] edge was [11:13] yeah, looks like those giant htc / samsung things. [11:13] dont like giant phones at all. still clinging on to my 4s [11:13] even iphone 5 and 5s are too big for me [11:13] i must have lady-hands [11:13] I'm rather fond of my slightly enormous Nexus 4 [11:15] Harder to lose down the back of the sofa? :-) [11:16] Actually, without a case on it it's a slippery sucker [11:16] You have to be careful about putting it on *slightly* inclined smooth surfaces because environmental vibrations make it drift and slip off [11:16] And Gorilla glass is ace but the bezel must be made of VulnerableToDamageium [11:17] I have abroken N4 and a broken galaxy note 2... [11:17] It's very nice without the case in the pocket - barely know it's there [11:17] yeah, broke my n4 within a few days [11:17] stupid frictionless back [11:17] stupid sexy flanders [11:18] But I have a case, every time I take it off I ding the bezel again within an hour [11:19] They should make the bezel out of that memoflex stuff they make high-end spectacles from [11:23] awilkins: ++ [11:23] awilkins: did you see the new self healing back on some new LG? [11:24] * awilkins has now googled it [11:25] Neat [11:30] popey: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1046165765/egg-the-intelligent-cat-companion?ref=home_popular [11:31] golly, thats doing well [11:40] wow [11:41] you ever get that thing where sometimes you speak and you hear a voice that doesn't sound like you? [11:42] lady in the shop asked if i wanted a receipt and i spoke and the voice sounded like moss "no thank you" from IT crowd [11:42] i don't usually sound like moss [11:43] oooh, 4.3 arrived on the S3 :) [11:44] http://now-here-this.timeout.com/2014/01/08/pay-per-minute-cafe/ [11:44] much hipster [11:46] so trend [11:52] some overlap with OSS projects http://www.boredpanda.com/sharp-suits-worst-client-comment-posters/ [11:53] Reads like a "pay by the minute" mini make/hack-space. [11:56] foobarry: Some of those are far too familiar.... [12:04] I need the help from somebody who knows how to play with files in a directory from the CLI. I need to touch each file in turn and sleep for 1 second between each one. That possible? [12:05] can't you do a for file in ls? or something similar not sure the exact syntax [12:06] for F in * ; do touch $F ; sleep 1; done [12:06] That's the thing, I don't know how to do those things from the CLI :) [12:06] I could write it in PHP though :P [12:06] awilkins: ta :) [12:07] for i in * ; do touch "$i" ; sleep 1 ; done === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [12:07] Ah, good point, might have spaces [12:07] That's off the top of my head, bigcalm, but should do the job. [12:07] Pah, I just assumed that bigcalm was sensible enough not to have stupid file names with spaces in [12:08] awilkins: these are files that have been uploaded by a client... [12:08] Never underestimate the ability of users to give things silly names. [12:08] dwatkins: I read that as never underestimate the power of the dark side lol [12:08] Users should be considered as evil, so that also applies, MooDoo. [12:09] dwatkins: you are dealing with bigcalm never assume! [12:09] * bigcalm kippers davmor2 [12:10] bigcalm: hey the same rules applies to everyone else you just deserve it more :P === alan_g is now known as alan_g|walk [12:11] bigcalm: by the way that was a pretty funky pen but if I had it in my jacket pocket I would be terrified of ink leakage :) [12:12] davmor2: one of the reasons why I don't usually take it out of my office [12:14] bigcalm: it seems to me to be the most attractively fundamentally flawed pen in the world though ;) [12:14] bigcalm: did you hear about bigron? back in a&e [12:15] exit [12:15] davmor2: no, I didn't. Oh dear. I hope he's pulling through [12:17] bigcalm: seems he got dehydrated and his heart started playing up https://www.facebook.com/mel.wellsted?fref=ts [12:20] davmor2: I don't have access to her page [12:21] bigcalm: Mel Wellsted Heart but dehydrated so in new x in reply to What is up with Ron ??? [12:24] I'm at the moment encoding files from mp3 to amr-wb and that's basically the syntax I use to go through the files... [12:25] amr-wb? People actually use that?! [12:25] sure [12:25] brilliant for audiobooks [12:25] since Nexus 5 doesn't support ogg speex [12:25] Oh, I just use low-bitrate mp3 [12:27] davmor2: would be proud, I'm listening to way a bit of 80's today http://www.last.fm/user/popeydc === alan_g|walk is now known as alan_g [12:39] "Jesus Jones", now there's some flashbacks. [12:41] popey: here have a biscuit for listening to the best decade of music [12:41] *second-best [12:49] MartijnVdS: Don't make me come over there, mostly cause I'll get wet and cold ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [13:24] Channel 4 has removed all its full-length programmes from the video-streaming site YouTube. [13:24] It says it is directing viewers to its 4oD catch-up services instead. [13:24] So no 4od on Linux then [13:24] dammit [13:24] Sorry, "GNU/Linux" [13:24] no flash on linux soon innit? [13:24] Probably [13:24] Freedom haters [13:25] You can use the Windows version of flash with pipelight [13:25] no adobe flash anyway [13:25] marxjohnson: is that proven stable tech? [13:25] although milage varies [13:25] is anything? :) [13:25] until adobe stop flash for windows... [13:26] you can extract pepper flash from chrome too [13:26] no need for horrid windows flash [13:26] you can have horrid linux flash [13:26] i haz chrome [13:26] Orly? [13:26] but pepper flash isn't the same though [13:27] Does pepper flash work on Netflix? No, because that's Silverlight, [13:27] Need pepperlight [13:28] pipelight is a reasonably good solution for silverlight stuff in my experience [13:28] foobarry: isnt the same as what? [13:29] just checking... [13:30] pepper flash != adobe flash, i thought there were drm constraints, but maybe i'm wrong [13:30] vsphere web client works on pepper, so i'm happy [13:30] foobarry: Pepper flash IS a version of Adobe flash [13:31] just packaged differently [13:31] 4od no worky on rooted/CM tablets so fail [13:31] Well soon it will all be HTML5, so no need for Flash. But HTML5 with DRM, so no-go on GNU/Linux [13:31] And now that the MPAA has joined the W3C, the situation will only worsen. [13:31] why no go [13:32] its possible to do it, since chromebokos work with netflix [13:32] TwistedLucidity: oh? [13:32] TwistedLucidity: Widevine Content Decryption Module - Versie: 1.4.2.404 [13:32] Enables Widevine licenses for playback of HTML audio/video content. [13:32] part of my Chrome.. [13:33] I might be mis-remembering then. But I thought HTML5 DRM'd video was dead on GNU/Linux. [13:33] For some reason [13:33] well chrome has a plugin, no idea if it works, I don't know what "Widevine" is [13:33] http://www.widevine.com/wv_drm.html [13:37] how do google ensure only chromebooks can run netflix? === roht is now known as wadzi [14:00] You can do DRM on Linux quite fine [14:01] It's just a bit silly to implement it in open-source products [14:01] Because someone will just turn the code into a decrypter / DRM stripper [14:01] foobarry: Isn't it a chip on their devices from memory [14:01] Maybe that's why I thought it was a no-go. [14:02] Maybe Chromebook + Netflix requires some kind of TPM interaction === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [14:02] Like you have to testify to the server that you are running the approved of stack with a signature [14:04] * xnox loads up Backstreet Boys into my playlist =) [14:21] xnox: Why?! [14:22] MartijnVdS: Never Say Never! And It's Friday Friday, gotta get down on Friday! [14:22] http://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0 [14:22] (because you want it that way?) [14:23] xnox: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fndeDfaWCg [14:35] Friday, Friday... [14:35] xnox: you know she did this, too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCzdpagXOQ [14:35] there's a sequel now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCzdpagXOQ [14:35] haha [14:35] ^5 dwatkins [14:35] I like that she takes the mickey out of herself a little in that, too [14:37] dwatkins: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5nfV3S7sqI [14:37] dwatkins: omg =) she's grown up. [14:42] MartijnVdS: yeah, I bet she's sick of the word 'Friday' [14:58] is it bad to start boozing at 3pm to help cope with all-day parenting duties? [14:59] directhex: it might be classed as being neglectful [15:00] only if you don't share it with child [15:00] just watched sherlock, it was a bit silly [15:04] foobarry: I'm not sure it was any more silly than the original conan doyle version [15:05] but tbh it's been a while since I read it [15:05] the wedding one was based on a book? [15:05] has sherlock peaked already? [15:06] peak sherlock [15:06] sherlock production can only decline from here [15:06] as new sources of sherlock are discovered more slowly than existing sherlock reserves are exhausted [15:06] shale sherlock [15:07] sherlock fracking? [15:07] deep-sea sherlock extraction [15:07] sherlock spews into the sea, causing devastation to coastal communities and wildlife [15:08] foobarry: every episode so far has been based on the book of the same name [15:08] i think people have been drinking [15:09] it felt like a xmas episode [15:09] a bit silly, less effort, etc [15:10] I hate when sherlock spurts all over me [15:10] :-p [15:10] family friendly [15:10] The story is set in 1888. The Sign of the Four has a complex plot involving service in East India Company, India, the Indian Rebellion of 1857, a stolen treasure, and a secret pact among four convicts ("the Four" of the title) and two corrupt prison guards. [15:11] glad they haven't been glamorising the drug taking though [15:12] I didn't like the last one that much, got bored with it :/ [15:12] my wife watched it from outside the room through a crack in the door [15:12] because it was making her cringe [15:23] We want more Irene Adler [15:24] For painfully obvious reasons [15:24] So I'm writing an app which does everything using a key-value store in postgres. I've gotta admit, it really does feel really nice doing it that way [15:24] Oh, I know Irene Adler [15:24] aka Lara Pulver [15:24] ? Postgres does KV storage? [15:24] not reall, you have two tables to represent key-value [15:24] and that's all you have [15:24] http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.0/static/hstore.html [15:25] Lara used to come in to my drama classes when I were a nipper [15:25] She was pretty awesome in "Robin Hood" as well [15:25] Although I feel she's probably now typecast as "feisty lady who holds her own with smouldering allure" [15:26] that's close to who she is in real life though [15:26] anyway, I'm not using hstore because I'd like to be able to use the same schema in mysql if I had to [15:27] Probably true of many actors [15:27] so I have two tables: objects and attributes [15:27] objects has two columns: id and type [15:27] attributes has id, key and value [15:27] Hmm [15:27] the ids then map [15:27] Is there a reason why you need the attributes as separate rows? [15:27] Indexing, etc? [15:28] Because this design doesn't really scale very well [15:28] schemaless databases [15:28] Wouldn't you be better off using a real K/V store? [15:28] well, you should talk to reddit about that ;) [15:28] I worked on an EHR app that tried to use this basic scheme [15:28] this is how *they* do it [15:28] We had prescription objects with 119 attributes [15:29] And blood tests and all sorts [15:29] It ground to a halt at around 10M objects because the selects on the attributes table were such a nightmare [15:29] THe only code I've seen that actually *reliably* provoked deadlocks from MSSQL [15:30] (for reference ; when the CEO proposed this model I said "that won't scale", but I was too junior at the time to be taken seriously) [15:30] strange, they way I'm imagining this going is that as long as the ids are indexed, I should be able to select anything by its id *really* quickly [15:30] Oh, yes, probably [15:31] You really want to put the FK to the object id as a clustered index if it will support that [15:31] I guess it might be a good idea to index the keys too [15:32] just so I can narrow down the attributes quickly [15:32] Our thing had an index on the CHAR(255) value column [15:32] It was painful [15:33] argh [15:33] You don't really need the primary key on the attributes table [15:33] Except for updates [15:34] You want the object ID field on the attributes table to be the organizing principle of the data if you can coax your RDBMS into doing it (e.g. a clustered index ) [15:34] But I could just be talking academia depending on how many rows you are scaling to [15:34] What kind of insert performance you need, etc [15:34] indee [15:34] indeed [15:34] well, for now it's only in alpha [15:35] if I have to change it, I will [15:35] Hooray for Agile [15:35] well, it's just me working on it, so it's hardly agile ;) [15:35] What I hate is people who don't want to risk changing things that don't work [15:36] "We can't change it, it might break stuff.." "IT DOESN'T WORK NOW...." [15:36] hahaha [15:37] Also, people who object to changes that would fix things.... [15:37] "It's covered by unit tests" "BUT WE'D HAVE TO DO A FULL SYSTEM TEST!!!" [15:38] (after they broke my screen-scraping interface by changing their screen layouts. Which they were explicitly told not to do.) [15:38] Wrote a regex-scraper instead of a column-matrix one [15:38] They reverted the change to their layouts instead [15:39] someone recommend me some nice 2.1 PC speakers plz [15:39] these ones have a really annoying hum that I can't take any more [15:39] This was for an "interface" that was clearly just something that programmatically drove a termainal [15:39] Hmm. [15:39] I have a set of 4.1 Creative ones that don't work properly anymore [15:40] But I've been a 5.1 headphones type of guy for years [15:40] my headphones are ok [15:40] Mostly because exploding noises were disturbing the other occupants of the house [15:40] :) [15:40] I'd like to be able to hear the world [15:40] so I don't miss the phone, people at the door etc [15:40] Laney: Logitech [15:41] these hummers are logitech [15:41] http://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/all/speaker-headphones/21-speakers [15:41] maybe cheap-ish ones though [15:41] oh, I've never had logitech hum at me [15:41] though I normally spend a fair bit [15:41] I think they are a few years old [15:42] What I always wanted was a set that you could plug your phones into and switch over easily [15:42] Laney: how much are you looking to spend, and what kind of input will you be using? [15:42] Because crawling behind my PC to replace 5 x 3.5mm jack is bad for my blood pressure [15:43] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-980-000320-Z523-Speakers-Black/dp/B002MHYQJA/ <- this is the kind of money I would spend on 2.1 [15:43] yeah just 3.5mm [15:44] I dunno, could spend a bit if it's really worth it [15:44] Never had something that uses the optical [15:44] optical ftw [15:44] don't think I have optical out === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [15:46] oh it does have spdif [15:46] well the one I linked to doesn't have spdif [15:46] just checked round the back [15:46] didn't even know it was there :P [15:47] well now you know you have spdif, you could go 5.1 [15:47] not sure it'd be worth it [15:47] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Z-906-Surround-Sound-Speakers/dp/B004MY4PU6/ <- I've got ones like these, but not this new [15:47] I don't really play PC games, and this room is pretty small [15:47] fair enough [15:47] each to their own [15:54] any bash experts? i need some help with job control: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6727253/ [15:57] $! just after you background a process contains that process's pid [15:57] I have no idea what you're doing [15:57] open the serial port, wait 1 second, write a string, close serial port === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:58] I really don't know :/ [15:59] all i need to do is run a command backgrounded, then run some other commands, then kill the backgrounded command [16:01] could you not killall cat? [16:01] not really... what if i happened to be using cat forsometing else at the time? [16:02] or ps auxww | grep cat | awk '{print $2}' to get the pid? [16:02] i think i got it anyway [16:02] SuperMatt: Don't say that round me and popey, popey tell him he is advertising the people killall cat :D [16:02] or not auxww, cos that will get all of them, maybe just ps [16:02] hahah [16:02] http://paste.ubuntu.com/6727309/ [16:03] seems like it might work [16:03] popey: how is skye now? [16:05] sleeping ☻ [16:39] wow. chromebooks took 21% of US laptop market vs apple 4% last year [16:41] "Year of the Linux desktop" [16:42] http://go.theregister.com/feed/www.theregister.co.uk/2014/01/10/2014_chromebook_surge/ [16:42] if you can bear to read register article [16:42] i noticed move from arm -> intel though :( [16:43] maybe lots of chrome sales were from people with laptops already ;) [16:46] chromebook = good 'kiddie's first laptop' [16:47] yeah [16:47] not for school kids though it seems, as they keep on requiring some proprieatry windows crap on occasion [16:49] ffs [16:49] chromebook surge = overstated [16:49] although you can save as doc(x)? from google docs, right? [16:49] traffic stats on ye olde steamose website, i have more than twice as many visitors with Windows Phone as ChromeOS [16:51] I've got to admit, I've never seen anyone using a chromebook in the wild [16:51] maybe d0od will be able to tell us how his visitor stats from omgchrome stack up against omgubuntu [17:00] easy to see, check facebook likes [17:00] good point [17:00] 1/11th the likes [17:10] foobarry: loads of kids at wifeys school have chromebooks [17:10] I think I will be buying chromebook(s) this year [17:14] I wonder why google haven't suggested a chromeslate? [17:15] i.e. all the benefits of chromebook and all the benefits of tablet [17:16] diddledan: it's called android on a tablet [17:16] I don't see android as being the same thing === Lcawte|Away is now known as Lcawte [17:32] boggis bunce and bean... [17:39] I was about to say the exact same thing, Myrtti [17:40] diddlydoodiddledan ;-) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [19:13] Interesting report http://insights.ubuntu.com/resources/article/ubuntu-scores-highest-in-uk-gov-security-assessment/ [19:18] Genius , pure genius (since 2005 , no less !) : http://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/linuxiow [19:18] Whoopsie wrong channel . [19:21] http://www.supermatt.net/2014/01/password-hashing/ <- this. yes or no? [19:40] popey: Laney https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdpFhx1IUAIcGAA.jpg:large [19:40] ye olde [19:51] related: anyone have any feature requests before sunday? i'm planning on tagging [20:07] heylo [20:09] hi [20:09] whatsup:D [20:09] watching eastenders? [20:14] O_O [20:14] good lord no! [20:19] O_o [20:20] do you follow/listen/watch or whatever any podcasts ? I never really got into podcasts [20:20] nah i find i end up trying to do other things whilst listening, then don't actually pay attention :( [20:20] i can't just sit and listen to something [20:22] hahaha that's kinda what I do too [20:22] next question:D do you read any linux sites/magazines? [20:23] i used to watch LAS from jupiter broadcasting [20:23] but other than that nah i know of no news forms for it [20:24] i have just pressed something in xchat that has detached the #dcglug chat window from the xchat progam any idea how to put it back please [20:24] but then i more dabble than i am a real big user of it [20:24] you just need to drag it back into the main window i think zleap [20:24] dafty dont you use ubuntu as your main OS for everydya use? [20:24] no sir [20:24] ah ok, windows? [20:24] i have 3 Linux servers though [20:25] yeah [20:25] i mostly support windows + mac users [20:25] file manu - attach [20:25] ah [20:25] i think [20:27] what os do you 8use [20:27] mostly on windows 7 across my personal systems [20:27] actually you know i accidentally lied, i'm sat in front of my HTPC right now which is ubuntu [20:27] :> [20:28] but that doesn't count so much since it's really just booting straight into XBMC [20:28] what do you use linux for then [20:28] daftykins, i get a mention in LAS :D [20:28] directhex: :O did they contact you about ye olde? [20:28] map|work: servers mostly [20:29] daftykins, that's why i said a mention - they didn't contact me [20:29] LAS? [20:29] http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/48407/fedora-20-review-las-s30e02/ [20:29] ahh thanks [20:30] about 12:40 [20:30] directhex: you always qualify things as if the words you use can only be interpreted one way, but language sir, is not a science [20:30] daftykins, i try to be extremely precise with my language, but you are correct that it may not be interpreted that way [20:31] you could've been being modest :D but anywho exposure = good news \o/ [20:32] hm what servers do u run dafty? openVPN/apache/openFTPD/bind on my machine :D and it sounds so damn loud [20:33] mostly web and file serving [20:33] and since VMs are cheap - a dedicated VM solely for this IRC client 8D [20:33] i always mean to mess about with making like a domain controller so like my windows machines all share same user/pass and home dirs mapped to linux server - you any experience with that [20:34] tried it..and it didnt work right :) [20:34] well, i find any windows machines attached to a domain instantly slow down [20:34] plus it becomes a central point of failure setup [20:35] ah [20:35] central point of failure i agree..and agree but surely shared logins and userdir would be good? [20:35] fedora: http://i.imgur.com/Yd1oEUt.jpg [20:35] well, i have a local file server so my PCs are more like just clients already [20:36] ugh Doge needs to go away as swiftly as it came about :P [20:36] i do it to keep MartijnVdS happy [20:37] ;) [20:37] oo[ps closed the window [20:37] what a mug [20:37] foobarry: i'll let you off! [20:37] so how would you do shared user/pass and userdirs?! [20:37] or was the point you wouldnt? [20:39] nah i wouldn't see the need [20:39] it comes at too high a cost :) [20:40] although it could be fun to play with [20:40] well surely thats what they do in unis? [20:40] doesn't Linux have its' own native directory services equivalent 0o [20:40] hmm not sure, ive seen samba being used as a PDC with windows machines and shared home dir/user pass [20:40] kerberos - whats that used for? [20:41] what do you want to achieve? [20:41] well like a work/uni environment where you can logon to any machine with your l/p and its got the same homedir so the homedir must be mounted off the server [20:42] yep [20:42] yeah back in my uni department they were NFS mounts i think [20:42] and it uses the l/p off server - just wondering how best to do it (i dont need to at all..just curious/interested/learning) [20:42] ldap, nfs, autmount [20:42] ah yeah LDAP [20:42] ah so no samba PDC needed at all? [20:42] not if it's fully native [20:42] with linux clients? [20:42] not with linux [20:42] with windows clients for now.. [20:43] could you do windows clients with ldap? [20:43] AD = ldap (kindof) [20:43] ah [20:43] so yes should work with linux and windows [20:43] samba can implement this but its a massive pain [20:44] so if i used openldap/nfs/automount - it would work like i was talking? yea i tried with samba before and it never worked quite right..emoty home dirs after login lol [20:44] if you want full AD features like group policy etc [20:44] domain auth etc [20:44] ah [20:45] whats kerberos used for? sure ive seen that mentioned loads on my travels [20:45] pure authentication [20:46] afaik at least [20:46] yea SSO i remember reading [20:46] so not essential [20:46] nah it's just a mechanism for authenticating safely, with remote systems i think [20:46] you can use windows AD server for the win hosts, and add a couple of posix aatributes to the AD schema (this is supported) for the linux clients to auth against AD [20:47] oh i thought it was single sign on..i dunno :) [20:47] thanks foobarry il mess about with it later-like i say its just for interest/learning [20:48] hybrid environments are a bit sucky [20:48] too much of a headache to do it now (stupid flu) :( [20:49] what ends up happening is companies get windows guys in to design the AD auth and they never consider non windows clients ever [20:49] man, the LAS guys just talk over each other at the same time [20:50] i can't bear it [20:50] hehe [20:50] i mostly thought the guy on the left never got a word in ;) [20:51] not sure how up to date this is map|work https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ActiveDirectoryHowto [20:51] i think fedora can auth against AD out of the box for many versions now [20:54] thanks foo [20:54] SHERLOCK SEASON3 FINALE WILL MET THE INTERNET [20:54] So says the radiotimes :) [20:55] http://www.webupd8.org/2014/01/enable-hardware-acceleration-in-chrome.html [20:55] thoughts? [20:56] need to remember to check this on my work pc [20:57] will read in sec eating and watching enders:D [20:57] traitor [20:57] ;P [20:58] even 1ms of that programme depresses me [21:00] lol [21:00] im at work so it's ok [21:00] someone just came in to speak to me and ive got this up and iplayer [21:00] LOL [21:00] working hard clearly :D [21:01] might have an early night [21:01] expecting baby to wake at 3am [21:08] i think they cap the bw here now fs [21:08] cant see it being browser related? [21:09] i always get errors about insufficient bw [21:09] although youtube's fine [21:21] errors talking about bandwidth? how odd [21:23] when i stream stuff off iplayer ya [21:23] but it's working now in ffox [21:23] 38mbs ping download 50mbit upload 10.6 clearly enough [21:24] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3222784378