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wrst | tenc: I must say I like some flash with my desktop, I mean we have the hardware why not use it? :) | 12:50 |
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tenc | wrst: I don't disagree--as long as the flash is smooth and unobtrusive. :) | 12:54 |
wrst | very true | 12:54 |
wrst | and good morning tenc | 12:54 |
tenc | Good morning to you sir. ^^ | 13:01 |
wrst | tenc: I have a love/hate relationship with gnome | 13:08 |
tenc | wrst: From what I've read it seem like most people do. No one seems to endorse it unreservedly. | 13:10 |
wrst | no they improve some things then take features out of others its frustrating | 13:14 |
wrst | hard to say bad things about kde, but I just don't like it | 13:14 |
wrst | and that's just a personal opinion of course | 13:14 |
tenc | Haha, yeah, there is something about KDE isn't there? Just doesn't feel right. | 13:17 |
wrst | yeah people that love it love it | 13:17 |
wrst | I think its mainly how gtk apps are just horrendous in kde without a lot of love | 13:17 |
wrst | specifically firefox | 13:18 |
tenc | Yeah who wants to deal with that? I mean I don't mind putting time in to an OS and being intimate with config details but leave me out of the window decorating. Not my area of expertise. :) | 13:35 |
wrst | yeah that's my thing tenc, I want good defaults | 13:44 |
wrst | most apps seem to wrok well with gtk based desktops | 13:44 |
tenc | ^^ | 13:44 |
tenc | So, wrst, how come you you hang out in the #ubuntu channel if you're an Arch guy? | 14:09 |
wrst | started out as an ubuntu user :) | 14:10 |
wrst | and still use it some on my mom's computer is the main place | 14:10 |
wrst | pretty much anywhere else I use debian | 14:10 |
wrst | or arch | 14:10 |
wrst | just depends on what I'm doing | 14:11 |
tenc | I guess a lot of people probably start out with ubuntu. I love the history behind each distro, it's like they each have their own lore. | 14:13 |
wrst | ha ha yep and their own fanatical fan base | 14:14 |
wrst | I like arch not becuause of anything other than fresh packages without hassle | 14:15 |
wrst | and no upgrading every 6 months | 14:15 |
tenc | I've only been using Arch for a few weeks but the stand out points for me are definitely fresh packages, simple package management, outstanding wiki resource and "The Arch Way" which I strongly agree with. | 14:20 |
wrst | yes people that aren't into that will not be a fan | 14:21 |
wrst | I wouldn't want to install arch for my mom, but for me I really like it and after you do it a couple of times the install isn't bad | 14:21 |
tenc | It really isn't. And I think it's rewarding to spend time getting to know each corner of an OS--which Arch makes possible with it's predictably simple approach. | 14:23 |
tenc | A lot of what ubuntu in particular brings to the table is obsfucating things for convenience which is a big trade-off. | 14:24 |
wrst | yes and there are times when I want that trade off, but after using arch and learning more about what makes things tick, I find a lot of ubuntu stuff just gets in the way | 14:26 |
wrst | debian seems to be a good tradeoff for me | 14:26 |
wrst | when I want something with an installer | 14:26 |
tenc | I haven't tried base debian yet but I'm sure I will. Seems like every few weeks I find myself back at distrowatch.com reading up on my next adventure. :) | 14:29 |
tenc | openSUSE and CentOS are on that list. | 14:33 |
wrst | ha ha | 14:41 |
wrst | nothing like some distro hopping | 14:42 |
tenc | wrst: When did you start with ubuntu? | 15:06 |
wrst | hmm around 2007 | 15:16 |
wrst | tenc: I started out trying ubuntu, but had a machine with a braodcom wireless chip, this was just before they started with jockey and managing restricted drivers | 15:17 |
wrst | so I ended up using mandriva on that machine they had really good tools for most things | 15:17 |
tenc | I have a Broadcom wireless chip in this laptop. Took a while to make it behave. My desktop is all Intel though so that's been a breeze to manage. | 15:19 |
tenc | Did you start with Linux personal or work reasons? | 15:20 |
wrst | personal | 15:20 |
wrst | just to use some old hardware that at the time was designed for windows ME :) | 15:20 |
tenc | Oops, missed a word *for | 15:20 |
wrst | braodcom even has gotten better over the years its nto near the pain it used to be | 15:21 |
tenc | Oh WinME... my goodness. | 15:21 |
wrst | oh yeah | 15:21 |
wrst | wb netritious | 15:21 |
tenc | Yeah--I mean getting this chip functional wasn't terrible but it was more involved than anything else to get running. | 15:22 |
tenc | I wonder when Linux as a whole got better about that--I remember my first venture with Linux back in 2000? 2001? Somewhere around there I tried to put RHL on my desktop and it was just over my head at the time but since then driver support and online documentation has come sooo far. | 15:24 |
tenc | I didn't really come back to Linux until just last year. Completely different experience. | 15:25 |
wrst | yes I mean ubuntu is easier to install than windows by a long shot I think | 15:30 |
cyberanger | well, as an overall yeah | 18:54 |
cyberanger | but certain things give me a headache still | 18:55 |
cyberanger | granted, it's usually more enterprise stuff now, but scanner ethernet and wifi driver support could be improved | 18:55 |
tenc | ^^ indeed cyberanger. | 19:00 |
tenc | tmux is all you need. | 19:04 |
* Unit193 uses screen. :D | 19:19 | |
tenc | <g> | 19:22 |
wrst | cyberanger: same could be said about windows also | 19:39 |
wrst | their driver support isn't exactly great | 19:39 |
wrst | and don't even get me start on OS X | 19:42 |
tenc | Anyone know if uptime metrics be normalized by the number of CPU cores or threads? | 21:43 |
cyberanger | tenc: not offhand | 23:36 |
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