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| Kilos | hi Guest97734 have you been here before? | 05:33 |
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| Kilos | morning all | 05:33 |
| Squirm | morning | 05:42 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm bduk1 | 05:44 |
| Kilos | where were you last night Squirm i needed help | 05:44 |
| Squirm | I'm always here Kilos | 05:44 |
| Kilos | gparted off livecd couldnt resize partitions | 05:45 |
| Squirm | you just have to say my nick | 05:45 |
| Kilos | oh ok ty | 05:45 |
| bduk1 | Morning Kilos ,squirm and everyone else | 05:45 |
| Squirm | hi bduk1 | 05:45 |
| Kilos | im not used to things not working off livecd, have hp lappies got some lock you cant bypass | 05:46 |
| Squirm | shouldn't have | 05:47 |
| Squirm | I've never had an issue with gparted | 05:47 |
| Squirm | what was the error? | 05:47 |
| Squirm | and a dvd is 4.7Gb | 05:48 |
| Kilos | we needed to resize parts to be able to install ubuntu on free space | 05:48 |
| Squirm | it also depends where the free space on the drive is | 05:49 |
| Kilos | it was in windows | 05:49 |
| Squirm | no | 05:49 |
| Squirm | I mean, on the actual drive | 05:49 |
| Kilos | wasnt an unused part | 05:49 |
| Kilos | oh | 05:50 |
| Squirm | if you have <some free space> <Windows> <Some more free space> | 05:50 |
| Squirm | you can't join the 2 | 05:50 |
| Kilos | oh you mean it must be a continous space | 05:50 |
| Squirm | yes | 05:50 |
| Kilos | but anyway the livecd didnt even offer to install alongside | 05:51 |
| Squirm | what you could do(which would be very dangerous), is move the windows partition to the beginning | 05:51 |
| Kilos | just showed partition options | 05:51 |
| Kilos | but he is getting a dvd to save his stuff to, and should be here today sometime | 05:53 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 05:53 |
| mazal | Môre oom | 05:54 |
| Kilos | i struggle if i cant see things in front of me | 05:54 |
| Kilos | also maybe there is some way to unlock win7 to allow things | 05:55 |
| Kilos | the resize option didnt have arrows whereby one could resize | 05:57 |
| * Kilos cries | 05:57 | |
| mazal | No man entry for alias ? Ai | 06:07 |
| Squirm | Kilos: Windows 7 shouldn't be the issue | 06:08 |
| Kilos | maybe its a remastersys dvd that has something missing | 06:09 |
| Kilos | ill move some stuff around here and see what i can find | 06:09 |
| Squirm | but it's not going to break resising a harddrive | 06:09 |
| Squirm | s/harddrive/partition | 06:10 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 06:21 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning | 06:22 |
| superfly | ohi | 06:37 |
| Kilos | ohi superfly | 06:37 |
| Kilos | mazal, http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/product/show.aspx?productid=410 | 06:38 |
| mazal | Now that looks very interesting Kilos | 06:43 |
| Kilos | yeah | 06:43 |
| Kilos | the adapter costs 200 bucks only | 06:44 |
| Vince-0 | G'day Ubuntu-ZA | 07:49 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 Gotango | 07:53 |
| Gotango | Hi Kilos and Vince-0 | 07:53 |
| theblazehen | morning guys | 07:55 |
| Kilos | hi theblazehen | 07:55 |
| Gotango | Morning theblazehen | 07:56 |
| Gotango | Kilos i'm not sure about the HP tools files that has its own partitions. They will be wiped and i worry that the lappy will be buggy after ubuntu runs | 07:58 |
| Kilos | yeah use a dvd to save stuff on rather | 07:59 |
| Kilos | maybe the lappy wants that for its own use. i dont know enough about lappies to comment | 08:00 |
| Gotango | Then i need to rebuild those partitions again, and SATA drives only allow 4 partitions | 08:00 |
| Kilos | but | 08:00 |
| Kilos | if you wipe windows and install ubuntu on the whole drive it will work | 08:00 |
| Gotango | Hmm, guess your right | 08:01 |
| Gotango | I already hacked off 30 GB data from windows its now 100GB free space | 08:02 |
| Kilos | but if you boot from the dvd and go the install route then ubuntu should do the sorting of your partitions without probs | 08:02 |
| Kilos | wow | 08:03 |
| Kilos | but not all in one place? | 08:03 |
| Kilos | you can run ubuntu on 20g without probs | 08:03 |
| Gotango | I know but , ubutnu will remove windows partitions and create its own over that | 08:04 |
| Kilos | no man | 08:04 |
| Kilos | thats only if you let it use the whole drive | 08:04 |
| Gotango | Like the SWAP , /HOME, /DATA partitions | 08:04 |
| Gotango | There can be only 4 partitions | 08:04 |
| Kilos | yes it will make them but not interfere with windows | 08:05 |
| Kilos | ubuntu makes logical partitions too | 08:05 |
| theblazehen | Gotango, just make a single / partition | 08:05 |
| Kilos | i think thats what they are called | 08:05 |
| theblazehen | and if you need it then use a swap file | 08:05 |
| Gotango | Okay but why is my main drive locked when opened in gparted | 08:06 |
| Kilos | have you read the probs we had theblazehen | 08:06 |
| Kilos | gparted couldnt resize | 08:06 |
| theblazehen | Kilos, not really. Only heard last part | 08:06 |
| theblazehen | Hmm.. | 08:06 |
| Gotango | I cant resize or delete anything there with gparted | 08:06 |
| theblazehen | try with just parted? | 08:07 |
| theblazehen | You booting the gparted live cd right? | 08:07 |
| Gotango | Yes | 08:07 |
| theblazehen | Hmm, do you have another drive to spare of equal or greater size? | 08:08 |
| Gotango | Nope | 08:08 |
| Kilos | theblazehen, he is totally new to ubuntu and linux so needs full help | 08:08 |
| Kilos | he is booting from remastersys dvd | 08:08 |
| Kilos | ubuntu 12.04 | 08:08 |
| theblazehen | hmm, ok. | 08:08 |
| theblazehen | In my experience it's totally safe to nuke the vendor's partition from laptops | 08:09 |
| charl | good morning | 08:09 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 08:09 |
| * Maaz flips the salt-timer | 08:09 | |
| theblazehen | hey ChanServ | 08:10 |
| Gotango | theblazehen are you sure the HP_TOOLS partitions are just for windows system recovery | 08:10 |
| theblazehen | charl* | 08:10 |
| charl | hi Kilos, Gotango, theblazehen | 08:10 |
| charl | lol | 08:10 |
| charl | autocomplete fail | 08:10 |
| theblazehen | Gotango, has always been my experience | 08:10 |
| Gotango | Hi charl | 08:10 |
| theblazehen | Gotango, how large is that partition? | 08:10 |
| Gotango | One is 8GB and the other HP partition is 1.8 GB | 08:11 |
| theblazehen | you can use clonezilla to store that partition on another drive, as a file | 08:11 |
| theblazehen | Yeah, should be just recovery, and driver installers for windows | 08:11 |
| Gotango | Okay | 08:12 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 08:13 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 08:14 |
| Kilos | lekker to have the blaze kid here to help | 08:14 |
| Kilos | the ballie sukkels most times | 08:15 |
| Kilos | morinenl | 08:16 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:16 |
| Kilos | morning inetpro nlsthzn | 08:16 |
| * Kilos stupid type mor tab for morning | 08:17 | |
| Gotango | Nothing about removing the drive lock on google :/ | 08:22 |
| inetpro | goeie more Kilos, and good mornings to everyone else | 08:22 |
| Squirm | hey | 08:25 |
| mazal | Hello | 08:32 |
| charl | hi mazal | 09:20 |
| charl | hi inetpro | 09:20 |
| charl | hi Squirm | 09:20 |
| mazal | Hey charl | 09:23 |
| Squirm | hey nuvolari | 09:55 |
| Gotango | Kilos i saw Opera browser i could use it without downloading it. I guess it was included in the live cd. Will it be included in the full install too | 10:04 |
| Kilos | yes | 10:05 |
| Kilos | thats all the stuff i have on my running system on the other pc | 10:05 |
| Kilos | hi psyatw | 10:05 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 10:06 |
| Gotango | Nice , i like opera, it does'nt do background network processes like other browsers | 10:06 |
| Gotango | Hi psyatw | 10:06 |
| psyatw | hi Gotango | 10:07 |
| psyatw | opera is nice and fast | 10:07 |
| psyatw | but I don´t know what recent versions are like | 10:07 |
| Kilos | yes i like it too | 10:07 |
| Kilos | prefer it to the fox | 10:07 |
| Gotango | True psyatw, and one saves alot in data use | 10:08 |
| psyatw | Gotango, do you know why that is the case? | 10:08 |
| psyatw | I don´t really have to be concerned about data use, but I´m still curious about the reason for less data use | 10:09 |
| Gotango | But the latest versions of Opera uses webkit engine , like Chrome. So No more data savings. Opera new versions sucks! | 10:09 |
| psyatw | oh, I see! | 10:10 |
| psyatw | that | 10:10 |
| psyatw | is a shame | 10:10 |
| Gotango | Well when the webpage is compressed by a fast server and sent to the browser , it improves the speed and memory overhead | 10:11 |
| Gotango | I used to use Opera mini on the pc with j2me emulator, was the fastest ever! but no animated gifs :p | 10:13 |
| Gotango | So i will stick with Opera 12.04 until my network speed improves | 10:14 |
| mazal | I have never used opera on pc. Only on my phone. Must maybe give it a go someday | 10:15 |
| mazal | Ag great , and there is todays fail | 10:17 |
| Gotango | Yeah "someday" mazal ,if you download Opera on pc now, you will need a plugin just to use the bookmarks lol | 10:17 |
| mazal | My software centre crashes and refuse to open :( | 10:17 |
| Gotango | I had the same problem yesterday. My software center hanged for like 3 minutes everything froze | 10:18 |
| psyatw | hi mazal | 10:21 |
| psyatw | opera was also very fast on my phone and tablet | 10:21 |
| psyatw | hi bduk1 | 10:21 |
| bduk1 | Hi psyatw | 10:23 |
| Squirm | I use Chrome | 10:32 |
| Squirm | syncs all my bookmarks, autofills, passwords and open tabs | 10:32 |
| Squirm | use it on my phone and computers | 10:33 |
| psyatw | hi Squirm | 10:52 |
| psyatw | hi cha | 10:52 |
| psyatw | charl | 10:52 |
| * inetpro surprised to find BD-R cheaper than DVD-R | 11:14 | |
| inetpro | when did that happen? | 11:14 |
| inetpro | was looking at the cost per TB of storage media on wikipedia | 11:15 |
| psyatw | hi inetpro | 11:18 |
| psyatw | yes | 11:18 |
| psyatw | when did that happen? | 11:18 |
| inetpro | psyatw: hi | 11:18 |
| psyatw | I haven´t followed the optical storage market for the past few years | 11:18 |
| inetpro | same here | 11:19 |
| inetpro | actually when you look at the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Storage_hierarchy_media_with_costs it even lists BD-R as cheaper than tape | 11:19 |
| inetpro | which is even more surprising | 11:20 |
| psyatw | yes indeed | 11:20 |
| inetpro | what I don't see on that table is memory sticks | 11:22 |
| Kilos | what is BD-R | 11:23 |
| Gotango | Kilos , my big issue with ubuntu now is that when at idle my lappies fan is blowing like i'm playing a 3D game | 11:23 |
| inetpro | not sure whether you can even compare memory sticks with each other | 11:23 |
| inetpro | Kilos: Blue-Ray | 11:23 |
| Kilos | aha ty | 11:23 |
| Kilos | Gotango, forget the fan man you running from a dvd, once installed you worry about stuff like that | 11:24 |
| inetpro | Blue-ray Disc capacities are 25 GB for single-layer discs, 50 GB for double-layer discs,[1] 100 GB for triple layer and 128 GB for quadruple layer (in BD-R only) | 11:24 |
| Gotango | Windows dont do that. Ubuntu does'nt seem worth it | 11:24 |
| Kilos | most likely your win7 is unhappy because it hasnt got control | 11:24 |
| Kilos | ai! | 11:25 |
| inetpro | Gotango: you can run 'sudo powertop' to figure out what is using your power | 11:26 |
| inetpro | Gotango: oh but Kilos is right | 11:27 |
| Gotango | I dont care about fancy 2D effects taking up cpu time, i just want ubuntu to run at 1 -5 % cpu like windows 7 | 11:27 |
| inetpro | it's most likely because you're running from the live cd | 11:27 |
| Gotango | inetpro if i do that i will have to disable stuff right | 11:27 |
| Kilos | just run the command in the terminal | 11:28 |
| inetpro | Gotango: you worry about that when you figure out what causes it | 11:28 |
| inetpro | power usage used to be a problem | 11:29 |
| inetpro | and in a way there still is a way to go to improve it but it's way better these days | 11:29 |
| Gotango | Okay, i will let ubuntu format the whole drive. If something goes wrong , someone owe's me a Xubuntu dvd :) | 11:29 |
| Gotango | Okay thats good to know inetpro. If i can configure everything to use less resources , i'm happy | 11:31 |
| Kilos | wow | 11:32 |
| Gotango | I'm not on the live cd now Kilos, my fan goes crazy . Will try that command when i got ubuntu installed | 11:32 |
| Kilos | ok | 11:32 |
| Gotango | Glad to see JDK and python already on there :) | 11:33 |
| Kilos | almost everything you need is there | 11:33 |
| Kilos | apart from web design stuff | 11:34 |
| Gotango | yeah php and mysql have to install that myself | 11:34 |
| inetpro | this is one of the reasons why we're excited about developments with wayland and mir | 11:34 |
| inetpro | hmm | 11:34 |
| charl | hi psyatw :) | 11:35 |
| psyatw | how are you doing today? | 11:36 |
| charl | i'm doing great thanks, yourself? | 11:36 |
| psyatw | I am also doing well, I am finally well-rested after my trip back to poland | 11:37 |
| psyatw | I am going to enjoy my time here while it lasts | 11:37 |
| charl | that's the right attitude! | 11:37 |
| charl | i see the winter is finally coming our way next week | 11:38 |
| psyatw | as I got a job offer in ireland and I am going to respond to it tomorrow | 11:38 |
| charl | up to thus far it's just been a long autumn | 11:38 |
| psyatw | so who knows where I will end up in a few months if I get hired there or elsewhere | 11:38 |
| psyatw | oh | 11:38 |
| psyatw | it´s not very cold here either | 11:38 |
| charl | ah nice! i got contacted by a recruiter from ericsson about a job in ireland a few months ago | 11:39 |
| psyatw | very comparable to the weather in the netherlands | 11:39 |
| charl | ericsson was building a "next generation mobile platform" on python or something | 11:39 |
| psyatw | and what happened? | 11:39 |
| charl | relocation was a must and i wasn't interested in relocating at the time so i turned it down | 11:39 |
| charl | i am of the opinion that i can work remotely just as easily and just travel every now and then for in-person meetups | 11:40 |
| charl | http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9311946 http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9987202 | 11:41 |
| charl | i'm not sure if that was it exactly, the one i received was about building a mobile platform on python | 11:43 |
| charl | first everyone converged into android and now there are a bunch of platforms that are shooting off again | 11:43 |
| charl | yesterday i was watching a video on tweakers about the new webos from LG | 11:43 |
| psyatw | oh, maybe because one size doesn´t fit all? | 11:44 |
| charl | well let's face it, android isn't perfect, but if you can't run android apps you have a big disadvantage | 11:44 |
| psyatw | and android doesn´t give the best experience you could get on modern hardware? | 11:44 |
| psyatw | indeed | 11:44 |
| charl | well android is google so if you trust android you trust google | 11:45 |
| charl | you can't even install a free application from the google play store without having a google account | 11:45 |
| charl | so having an android device in essence forces you to use google, or at least have a google account | 11:45 |
| psyatw | and how is this a problem for most users? | 11:46 |
| charl | it's like the first version of windows 8.1 that also forced you to log in with a microsoft account, although i see they took that out now | 11:46 |
| charl | well it's not an issue of a practical problem but it delivers privacy concerns | 11:46 |
| psyatw | yes, I know and I am aware of that | 11:46 |
| psyatw | but how would other manufacturers´ platforms do any better? | 11:47 |
| psyatw | wouldn´t they want to have similar control over their customers´ user experience? | 11:47 |
| charl | that's exactly the right question | 11:47 |
| inetpro | hmm... | 11:47 |
| inetpro | Ericsson playing with words | 11:48 |
| inetpro | OSS (Operator Support System) | 11:48 |
| charl | that's the reason i don't have a mobile phone, i need to have one that runs 100& on foss without killing the warranty | 11:48 |
| charl | *100% | 11:49 |
| psyatw | I have an android phone | 11:54 |
| psyatw | not because I love android so much | 11:54 |
| psyatw | but because it has a minimum user experience I can live with | 11:54 |
| charl | i used to have a huawei ideos that i brought back with me from kenya | 11:55 |
| charl | that was the absolute minimum of minimum of android phones, costs about 40 euro | 11:55 |
| psyatw | and I hope I can get one running some software that I really want running on it | 11:55 |
| psyatw | yes | 11:55 |
| charl | excellent phone, dropped it many times, screen never shattered, and you could actually make calls with it | 11:55 |
| charl | but for running software it was extremely slow and the camera was bad too | 11:55 |
| psyatw | that´s the problem | 11:55 |
| psyatw | android has become quite heavy | 11:56 |
| psyatw | and the apps even more so | 11:56 |
| charl | openstreetmap for example was practically unusable | 11:56 |
| psyatw | I have had to uninstall more and more applications lately | 11:56 |
| psyatw | because they all got bloated compared to two and a half years ago | 11:56 |
| charl | my mother has some xperia or something and she uses chatsecure to chat with me via xmpp | 11:57 |
| charl | the app runs great except it sucks a heck of a lot from the battery | 11:57 |
| charl | apparently whatsapp is much more efficient on the battery but whatsapp is a walled garden | 11:58 |
| charl | even though whatsapp also apparently uses xmpp underneath the water | 11:58 |
| psyatw | I see | 12:02 |
| psyatw | brb | 12:02 |
| Kilos | Gotango, whats happening? | 12:25 |
| Gotango | I wana try saving my files to the phone via memory card. Then do the Erase Disk thing | 12:34 |
| Kilos | whew | 12:34 |
| Gotango | Full Ubuntu install with no windows anywhere. Just like you wished for :) | 12:35 |
| Kilos | what made you decide that? | 12:36 |
| Gotango | So if i dont return here , you know my pc will be dead for a few months lol | 12:36 |
| Kilos | windows is very useful to have | 12:37 |
| Kilos | for p[laying games | 12:37 |
| Gotango | I cant resize the main drive , that lock i cant remove it | 12:37 |
| Kilos | no man it will still boot from the cd then you can come ask for help | 12:37 |
| Kilos | aha | 12:37 |
| Gotango | When ubutnu has a new partition i will have to figure out how to rebuild windows partitions manually , thats a headache | 12:39 |
| Kilos | if you gonna erase and use entire disk there wont be any windows partitions to rebuild | 12:41 |
| Kilos | it will be a clean drive with ubuntu | 12:41 |
| Gotango | If by a miracle i figure out how to rebuild windows partitions , then most likely windows stuff will be corrupted and wont work properly and then space will be wasted by a damaged OS | 12:42 |
| Kilos | ext4 so windows pcs cant even see it | 12:42 |
| Kilos | wait | 12:42 |
| Kilos | if you go with the options to partition let us know what is there | 12:42 |
| Kilos | if you dont erase windows partitions then you dont need to rebuild them | 12:43 |
| Kilos | but if you use the erase disk and install ubuntu there will be absolutely nothing of windows left to find | 12:43 |
| Gotango | But when i tick Create New partitions" in ubutnu installations , it says all previous partitions will be deleted , then it gives an empty partition list | 12:44 |
| Kilos | whew i wish i had that thing in front of me | 12:45 |
| Kilos | does it show nothing about windows? | 12:45 |
| mazal | Bye everyone , have a nice weekend | 12:45 |
| Gotango | Nothing, i can only view the files on the drive in ubuntu | 12:46 |
| Kilos | well then looks like you gotta decide what next step will be. keep windows or do like i did and go straight to ubuntu and work on that | 12:47 |
| Kilos | i am sure you will be able to do all your work with ubuntu | 12:48 |
| Gotango | The only windows game i play alot is Tricky truck, always get in the top 3 on all tracks , but they wont miss me lol . So windows aint that much important | 12:49 |
| Gotango | In my situation i think only option is to Erase everything on disk and install Ubuntu | 12:50 |
| Gotango | Hopefully the headaches will be minimal | 12:51 |
| Kilos | ok that way you dont need to make any partitions ubuntu does everything for you | 12:51 |
| Kilos | hp is normally very buntu friendly | 12:52 |
| Gotango | i hope thats true | 12:53 |
| Gotango | So i'm waiting for my sister so i can link my memory card to her phone, then put my files on it. Uninstall all my windows programs and Erase and Install Ubuntu | 12:55 |
| Kilos | you dont need to uninstall | 12:56 |
| Kilos | ubuntu cleans everything if you go the erase and use entire disk route | 12:56 |
| Gotango | It will make the installation a bit faster i think | 12:56 |
| Kilos | nope | 12:56 |
| Gotango | Okay | 12:57 |
| Kilos | ubuntu wipes that drive in seconds | 12:57 |
| Kilos | no 2 hour format | 12:57 |
| Gotango | lol i guess so | 12:57 |
| Kilos | iho kbmonkey | 14:43 |
| Kilos | rather bad connection you have there | 14:43 |
| Kilos | ohi too | 14:43 |
| Gotango | Kilos , my windows 7 is dead | 14:56 |
| Kilos | oh my | 14:56 |
| Kilos | ubuntu installed? | 14:56 |
| Gotango | I got a big problem now | 14:56 |
| Kilos | what | 14:57 |
| Kilos | explain what you did | 14:57 |
| Gotango | I'm using the live cd now. When i try to install ubuntu it installs all the files to disk. But when i try to enter the input fields the mouse dont work and no keyboard keys not working | 14:58 |
| Gotango | I dont know what to do now | 14:59 |
| Kilos | just use tab until it lights the fields you want to fill in | 14:59 |
| Kilos | oh my no keyboard either | 15:00 |
| Kilos | eeek | 15:00 |
| Gotango | No keys no mouse | 15:00 |
| Kilos | charl, ideas? | 15:00 |
| Gotango | Why is it only working on live cd / | 15:00 |
| Kilos | have you got others you can plug into usb? | 15:00 |
| Gotango | Nope | 15:01 |
| Kilos | ubuntu loves usb stuff | 15:01 |
| Kilos | Squirm, help | 15:01 |
| Kilos | o wait ThatGraemeGuy you got an old hp lappy hey | 15:02 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yes | 15:02 |
| Kilos | if he has he will know what to do | 15:02 |
| Kilos | this one dont have mouse or keyboard working on install | 15:02 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 15:03 |
| charl | reading | 15:03 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | weird :-/ | 15:03 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | I'm afraid you give me too much credit, I don't know what that could be | 15:03 |
| charl | i have no idea either, sorry | 15:03 |
| Kilos | lol its supposed to just work with hp stuff | 15:03 |
| charl | sounds like a very strange bug, one i have never experienced myself | 15:03 |
| charl | with lenovo that is usually the cast, i don't know about hp | 15:04 |
| Kilos | i made the iso from my desktop, could that be the prob? | 15:04 |
| charl | you made the iso from your desktop? sorry not sure what you mean | 15:04 |
| Gotango | But everything works fine in the live cd | 15:05 |
| Kilos | Gotango, someone close by you know must have usb keyboard and mouse to loan you | 15:05 |
| Gotango | Should i install ubuntu again , even though its installed already | 15:05 |
| Kilos | i made a remastersys iso from my running 12.04 and sent it to him | 15:05 |
| Gotango | Nope kilos no pc nerds near by | 15:05 |
| Kilos | try install again Gotango it must see them | 15:06 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | use official isos | 15:06 |
| Kilos | once the install gets to detecting hardware it will see everything | 15:06 |
| Gotango | Okay i will try again | 15:07 |
| Kilos | i dont have ThatGraemeGuy and he hasnt the data to download | 15:07 |
| Kilos | i only use remastersys isos now because they are up to date with everything | 15:07 |
| charl | oh i see | 15:08 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | then don't install. you don't go hacking together installers unless you are 110% familiar with everything that goes on behind the scenes | 15:08 |
| Kilos | if he was closer id lend him a mouse and keyboard | 15:08 |
| Kilos | he has already installed as far as it goes before usung keyboard and mouse | 15:09 |
| Kilos | so his win7 is gone | 15:09 |
| Kilos | shoulda told him to keep wiggling the mouse while installing | 15:09 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | all of which would likely be avoided if the official installer was used. the ubuntu installer allows for resizing windows installs non-destructively | 15:10 |
| Kilos | so does the remastersys here | 15:12 |
| Kilos | you dont see any diffs from the official one except that everything is updated and includes whats installed | 15:12 |
| Kilos | so 2.2g dvd not 1.2 | 15:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ok | 15:13 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | well i don't know the answer | 15:13 |
| Kilos | oh no 12.04 was under 730m | 15:13 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and no official support channel is going to help out with a non-official iso | 15:13 |
| Kilos | i asked maia to mail him the official cd but havent heard | 15:14 |
| Kilos | then he could use my dvd for updating | 15:14 |
| Kilos | ive used the remastersys dvd's on 3 different machines but all desktops | 15:15 |
| Kilos | lemme mail maia | 15:15 |
| Kilos | maybe she forgot | 15:20 |
| Kilos | maybe he can go via the try ubuntu route and then install from there while he has mouse and kb working | 15:23 |
| charl | yay new telephone arrived today http://www.aastra.com/aastra-6725ip.htm | 15:47 |
| charl | now i just need to get power over ethernet activated on my network port | 15:48 |
| Kilos | shame maia forgot to go past post office so cd still in her car | 15:52 |
| Kilos | nlsthzn, ping | 16:03 |
| Kilos | hi Guest97734 you still here? | 16:11 |
| Kilos | hmm... another lurker | 16:49 |
| * nlsthzn is here | 16:52 | |
| nlsthzn | Kilos, pong | 16:53 |
| Kilos | hi neelsie wb | 16:53 |
| Kilos | whew got worried bout you. no chat | 16:53 |
| nlsthzn | ah, was working | 16:53 |
| Kilos | as long as all is ok there thats fine | 16:53 |
| Kilos | we got nuff lurkers | 16:54 |
| nlsthzn | sick but alive... no word from SA yet ... (comments removed due to age restriction) | 16:54 |
| Kilos | you sick again? | 16:54 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 16:54 |
| nlsthzn | still :p | 16:54 |
| nlsthzn | the flu | 16:54 |
| nlsthzn | and snot | 16:54 |
| Kilos | whew | 16:55 |
| nlsthzn | :p | 16:55 |
| * Kilos lucky when it comes to flu | 16:59 | |
| nlsthzn | daughter asked for some music from the net cause it is so easy to download... | 17:07 |
| nlsthzn | so I first bought her the CD with her pocket money and now I am downloading it for her :p | 17:07 |
| * nlsthzn wonders about the morel implications... | 17:08 | |
| Kilos | lol | 17:18 |
| Gotango | Took me 3 tries and now it works | 17:18 |
| Maaz | Gotango: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell GoTango There will be more original cds on their way to you soon, the lady forgot to make a turn by the post officecoupla weeks back" 1 hour, 15 minutes and 53 seconds ago | 17:18 |
| Kilos | Gotango, what happened | 17:19 |
| Kilos | yay | 17:19 |
| Gotango | everything works fine :) | 17:19 |
| Kilos | how much data have you got? | 17:19 |
| Gotango | hav'nt tested the sound yet and video | 17:19 |
| Kilos | you better turn off updates | 17:20 |
| Gotango | I dunno, maybe 100mb | 17:20 |
| Kilos | was an 80m update 3 days ago | 17:20 |
| Gotango | where is that | 17:20 |
| Gotango | Okay | 17:20 |
| Kilos | tick that launcher and type in update | 17:20 |
| Kilos | that will open the update manager but do it with modem out quick\ | 17:21 |
| Kilos | dont let it look for more updates | 17:21 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:21 |
| Kilos | in update manager go settings | 17:22 |
| Kilos | where it shows check daily set to never | 17:22 |
| Kilos | or untick the check block | 17:22 |
| Kilos | i get mixed up at times | 17:22 |
| Gotango | Do i tick Revert or Close after my selection | 17:24 |
| Kilos | close | 17:24 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:25 |
| Kilos | hi spinza | 17:25 |
| Kilos | im happy its working man | 17:25 |
| Kilos | you see how quick ubuntu formats and makes the needed partitions | 17:26 |
| Kilos | welcome to ubuntu | 17:26 |
| Gotango | I'm not happy yet, My lappies fan is blowing hot here | 17:26 |
| Kilos | now you do that command inetpro gave you | 17:26 |
| Kilos | something with top in | 17:27 |
| Gotango | hmm i didnt wrote it down | 17:27 |
| Kilos | wait i scroll back | 17:27 |
| Gotango | ok | 17:27 |
| Kilos | 'sudo powertop' | 17:31 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:31 |
| Kilos | no quotes | 17:31 |
| Kilos | peeps always put commands in quotes but dont use them unless they in the middle of the command | 17:31 |
| Gotango | sudo: powertop: command not found | 17:32 |
| Kilos | sudo apt-get install powertop | 17:32 |
| Gotango | How big is that | 17:32 |
| Kilos | im checking | 17:33 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:33 |
| Kilos | 125 kB | 17:33 |
| Gotango | Nice thats small | 17:33 |
| Kilos | and will install another dependancy with it | 17:34 |
| Gotango | Hmm | 17:34 |
| Kilos | 163kB | 17:34 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:34 |
| Kilos | most linux files are small | 17:35 |
| Kilos | also now you dont install anything from cds | 17:35 |
| Gotango | E: Unable to locate package powertop | 17:35 |
| Kilos | oh my you gotta first run sudo apt-get update and thats about 20m | 17:36 |
| Gotango | What? and what is in there | 17:37 |
| Kilos | if we had used that before a made the dvd i woulda installed it too | 17:37 |
| Kilos | thats tells your system what is available | 17:37 |
| Kilos | there are thousands of apps in the repos | 17:38 |
| Kilos | that update command finds them | 17:38 |
| Gotango | So the powertop package is in that update | 17:38 |
| Kilos | what happens is you have now got what i have on other pc | 17:39 |
| Kilos | so anything i dont have needs to be found and that update tells your pc what is available | 17:40 |
| Gotango | Well i'm a bit happy now my fan is blowing like it did on windows | 17:40 |
| Gotango | Dunno how long it will be like this | 17:40 |
| Kilos | isnt it supposed to blow | 17:41 |
| Gotango | yes but it blew too fast , like it did when i was playing 3D games | 17:41 |
| Gotango | Now it blows gently almost cant hear it | 17:42 |
| Kilos | there are lots off apps, when you have data to install synaptic 8m then you will see them all after the update | 17:42 |
| Kilos | oh thats good | 17:42 |
| Kilos | just open launcher and type in synaptic | 17:42 |
| Kilos | it should be there already | 17:43 |
| Gotango | maybe in time ubuntu will integrate better in the system | 17:43 |
| Gotango | Its ok i dont need apps now | 17:43 |
| Gotango | will try synaptic soon | 17:43 |
| Kilos | now man | 17:43 |
| Kilos | i want to see if its there | 17:44 |
| Gotango | Why now | 17:44 |
| Kilos | because i say so | 17:44 |
| Gotango | oh | 17:44 |
| Kilos | there is another setting to do to save all packages | 17:44 |
| Gotango | yes its here | 17:44 |
| Gotango | Now what | 17:45 |
| Kilos | ok open it but tick nothing | 17:45 |
| Gotango | yip | 17:45 |
| Kilos | it will show what packages you have installed already | 17:45 |
| Gotango | yes here are lots | 17:46 |
| Kilos | tick settings and preferences | 17:46 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:46 |
| Kilos | then files | 17:46 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:46 |
| Kilos | and tick leave all downloaded packages in the cache | 17:47 |
| Gotango | Its already ticked | 17:47 |
| Kilos | good thats how i did that one | 17:47 |
| Gotango | nice | 17:47 |
| Kilos | close it | 17:48 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:48 |
| Kilos | in the top window you can type the type of app you need | 17:48 |
| Kilos | and it will show whats available | 17:48 |
| Gotango | like what type app ? | 17:49 |
| Kilos | like mysql | 17:49 |
| Kilos | you will see what mysql is already installed and what else you can get | 17:50 |
| Gotango | There's no mysql in there | 17:50 |
| Kilos | but you will need to do that 20m update to see everything | 17:50 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:51 |
| Kilos | might be a bit less than 20m | 17:51 |
| Gotango | fan is blowing too hot again, eish :/ | 17:51 |
| Kilos | too hot would shut pc down | 17:51 |
| Kilos | the harder the fan blows the more its cooling cpu and mobo stuff | 17:52 |
| Gotango | Yes i cant even put my hand near it burns | 17:52 |
| Kilos | you mean the air coming out is hot | 17:52 |
| Gotango | Thats not the way it is supposed to be | 17:53 |
| Kilos | what is hot the lappy or the air | 17:53 |
| Gotango | I expect this much cpu abuse from playing 3D games | 17:53 |
| Gotango | both | 17:53 |
| Kilos | wait lemme talk to my son a bit | 17:54 |
| Kilos | i never used a lappy | 17:54 |
| Gotango | okay | 17:54 |
| Kilos | he says heat is normal but gets worse if lappy is on a blanket or something soft | 17:55 |
| Kilos | also it could be dirty inside | 17:56 |
| Kilos | might need to be blown clean' | 17:56 |
| Kilos | where are all the lappy peeps with help here | 17:57 |
| Kilos | Squirm, ? | 17:57 |
| Gotango | i now but this is insane , i want settings that can switch to less resources being used by ubuntu | 17:57 |
| Gotango | Its uncomfortable | 17:57 |
| Gotango | They probably out at parties | 17:58 |
| Kilos | well you will need that update to get the top package so one can see whats running | 17:59 |
| Gotango | okay i will download it | 17:59 |
| Kilos | also you can look in startup apps | 17:59 |
| Kilos | and turn off some you dont need | 18:00 |
| Kilos | dont forget that iso comes from a desktop | 18:00 |
| Gotango | NVIDIA X Server Settings are at startup applications | 18:00 |
| Gotango | remove it ? | 18:01 |
| Kilos | we will need more info and help here | 18:01 |
| Kilos | do you know what graphics is in there | 18:02 |
| Gotango | I got ATI graphics card not Nvidia | 18:02 |
| Kilos | then you should be safe doing sudo aptitude remove nvidia-settings | 18:03 |
| Squirm | Kilos | 18:03 |
| Kilos | Squirm, please help the man some im not a lappy person | 18:03 |
| Gotango | or just tick Remove button ? | 18:04 |
| Kilos | yes that too | 18:04 |
| Kilos | there should be more nvidia stuff installed | 18:04 |
| Kilos | in synaptic you can type in nvidia and it will show whats installed | 18:04 |
| Kilos | then right click it and uninstall i think it is | 18:05 |
| Gotango | The fan returns to slow gentle blow, but when i move a window its starts blowing like crazy hot | 18:05 |
| Squirm | you won't really be able to help that | 18:05 |
| Squirm | you just need to let as much air flow as you can | 18:06 |
| Kilos | well you might still find i have stuff installed that lappy doesnt need | 18:06 |
| Squirm | like.. maybe instead of resting it on the table, rest it on four blocks, one in each corner | 18:06 |
| Squirm | and you also get things like this | 18:07 |
| Squirm | http://www.groundswell.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/laptop-cooling-pads-review4.jpg | 18:07 |
| Squirm | they can be usb powered, blows air onto the underside of your laptop | 18:08 |
| Gotango | hey Squirm. That sounds fair , but is'nt there a way to turn ubuntu to use less cpu | 18:08 |
| Kilos | Squirm, he cant browse muc with only 500m data a month | 18:08 |
| Kilos | oh i saw somewhere low cpu | 18:08 |
| Kilos | dont ask me where | 18:08 |
| Gotango | Cause it high cpu usage that cause the fan to blow insane speeds | 18:08 |
| Gotango | I mean at idle it should not be this hot | 18:09 |
| Squirm | check task manager? | 18:09 |
| Squirm | what's keeping your CPU running? | 18:10 |
| Gotango | I dunno , i cant check cpu usage | 18:10 |
| Gotango | Dunno where much of anything is in ubuntu | 18:10 |
| Kilos | there is a cpu usage app | 18:11 |
| Gotango | Do you know that app Kilos | 18:11 |
| Kilos | looking | 18:11 |
| Gotango | okay | 18:12 |
| Kilos | press a windows key and check | 18:12 |
| Kilos | system monitor | 18:13 |
| Gotango | I got system monitor | 18:13 |
| Kilos | yay i havent | 18:13 |
| Kilos | what do you see | 18:14 |
| Gotango | both cores are at 15% , compared to windows 1% its not what i want | 18:15 |
| Kilos | look in synaptic if you have linuxinfo | 18:15 |
| Kilos | stop fussing man or ill send you a windows cd | 18:16 |
| Kilos | give peace a chance | 18:17 |
| Gotango | nothing about linux info | 18:17 |
| Kilos | you have to get a desktops iso to match your lappy | 18:17 |
| Kilos | ok so that will come after sudo apt-get update | 18:17 |
| Gotango | I dunno man , i just wana turn off this laptop and give it away | 18:18 |
| Kilos | also did you look for nvidia packages installes | 18:18 |
| Kilos | no man | 18:19 |
| Gotango | this cpu is messing up everything | 18:19 |
| Kilos | no man | 18:19 |
| Gotango | yes there are a few in synaptic | 18:20 |
| Kilos | whew todays peeps are so impatient | 18:20 |
| Kilos | then right click remove | 18:20 |
| Gotango | You mean remove all nvidia stuff in synaptic | 18:21 |
| Kilos | nvidia-173 should be there | 18:22 |
| Kilos | maybe 173-updates | 18:22 |
| Kilos | remove them | 18:22 |
| Gotango | Theres more | 18:22 |
| Gotango | nvidia-common | 18:23 |
| Gotango | nvidia-settings-304-updates | 18:23 |
| Gotango | nvidia-settings-304 | 18:23 |
| Gotango | nvidia-settings-updates | 18:23 |
| Gotango | nvidia-settings | 18:23 |
| Gotango | nvidia-173 | 18:24 |
| Kilos | remove the 304 and the settings and the settings updates | 18:24 |
| Kilos | i think all of them | 18:24 |
| Gotango | okay | 18:25 |
| Kilos | if screen dies you havent got any ati drivers going | 18:25 |
| Gotango | Nope | 18:25 |
| Gotango | Those are big i think more than 100mb | 18:26 |
| Kilos | there should be some basic ati stuff installed i think | 18:27 |
| Gotango | xserver-xorg-video-ati | 18:28 |
| Kilos | yeah leave that | 18:28 |
| Gotango | xserver-xorg-video-radeon | 18:28 |
| Gotango | radeontool | 18:28 |
| Kilos | leave that | 18:28 |
| Kilos | yes | 18:28 |
| Gotango | okay | 18:29 |
| Kilos | so thats keeping you going | 18:29 |
| Kilos | i only have nvidia graphics | 18:29 |
| Gotango | Still doesnt explain the enormous cpu usage | 18:30 |
| Gotango | I wish i had Xubuntu right about now | 18:31 |
| Kilos | you need clever peeps help here and need to get that top thing | 18:31 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:31 |
| Gotango | These fancy unity effects ruin everything | 18:31 |
| Gotango | How do i disable the transparency | 18:32 |
| Gotango | or set it to none | 18:32 |
| Kilos | you can install mate in there for a light system but you will need lotsa data | 18:32 |
| Kilos | you have a settings tool on the left | 18:33 |
| Kilos | hover and look | 18:33 |
| Gotango | nah dont want mate | 18:33 |
| Kilos | like a gear and spanner | 18:33 |
| Kilos | system settings | 18:33 |
| Kilos | maybe thats where i saw low cpu | 18:33 |
| Gotango | okay will check | 18:34 |
| Kilos | ive seen some peeps complain about 90 or 100% cpu usage. you the frist one to complain about 15% | 18:35 |
| Gotango | Cause they got desktops with the tower out of burning touch | 18:37 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:37 |
| Gotango | I can almost cook an egg on this lappy now | 18:37 |
| Kilos | maybe its dirty inside or the heat sink on the cpu is full of dust | 18:38 |
| Kilos | or it has 2 fans and one is dead | 18:38 |
| Gotango | Nope, i expect it to work like windows , cool and calm | 18:39 |
| Kilos | wow | 18:39 |
| Kilos | it will once sorted | 18:39 |
| Gotango | Besides i cant open this thing | 18:39 |
| Kilos | ya lappies are painful to open | 18:39 |
| Gotango | in system details it says . Graphics : Unknown | 18:41 |
| Kilos | type in top | 18:41 |
| Gotango | Where | 18:41 |
| Kilos | yes it will most likely have additional drivers if you want full graphics working | 18:41 |
| Kilos | in terminal | 18:42 |
| Gotango | okay | 18:42 |
| Kilos | dont forget you have more than one workspace' | 18:42 |
| Gotango | only got one now | 18:43 |
| Kilos | how many does it show, just the 4? | 18:43 |
| Kilos | right click remove all the libre office stuff from launcher | 18:43 |
| Kilos | or scroll down there | 18:43 |
| Kilos | should see 4 at least | 18:43 |
| Kilos | at the bottom | 18:44 |
| Gotango | yeah theres 4, but im used to minimising stuff | 18:44 |
| Kilos | did top show anything | 18:47 |
| Gotango | Gnome-system-mo , and Xorg are using 10% cpu each , the rest are 0% | 18:48 |
| Kilos | oso that system monitor is using 10% close it | 18:49 |
| Kilos | xorg is graphics | 18:49 |
| Gotango | how do i close gnome-system-mo ? | 18:50 |
| Kilos | oh is that not that thing you opened with the windows key | 18:50 |
| Gotango | Yes lol, its closed it , now Xorg is at 2% | 18:52 |
| Kilos | yay | 18:52 |
| Gotango | I'm a bit happy there :) | 18:52 |
| Kilos | yay | 18:53 |
| Gotango | But fan still going crazy | 18:53 |
| Gotango | Now its settling | 18:53 |
| Gotango | slowly | 18:53 |
| Kilos | you will find that with the correect ati drivers things get a bit more efficient | 18:53 |
| Gotango | now its at windows type idle speed | 18:54 |
| Kilos | and outside fan blowing onto lappy with help cool case | 18:54 |
| Gotango | okay so i guess its the graphics drivers that cause the most issues here | 18:54 |
| Kilos | thats what i think at the moment | 18:55 |
| Kilos | but they are all big data | 18:55 |
| Kilos | ubuntu will find the right drivers for the lappy when you got data to spare | 18:56 |
| Gotango | So i should look for ATI Radeon linux drivers for this lappy right | 18:56 |
| Kilos | you go to the launcher and type in additional | 18:56 |
| Gotango | If its worth it i will do it | 18:56 |
| Kilos | then it will look what the lappy needs | 18:56 |
| Kilos | you will first need to do sudo apt-get update | 18:57 |
| Gotango | Does it show the size | 18:57 |
| Gotango | I mean the size of the drivers when it found it | 18:57 |
| Gotango | Funny when i move a window slowly the cpu i calm , but when i move it fast the fan goes crazy | 18:59 |
| Kilos | i dont think so it shows what it finds and then downloads and installs if you tick install | 18:59 |
| Gotango | It must really be the graphics drivers | 18:59 |
| Kilos | how do you move a window | 18:59 |
| Gotango | I just grab the top bar of the window and move it out the way | 19:00 |
| Gotango | or where i wnt it | 19:00 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:00 |
| Kilos | i have xchat full screen on one workspace | 19:01 |
| Gotango | Why lol | 19:01 |
| Kilos | evolution mail on another pidgin on another opera on another | 19:01 |
| Gotango | Why switch so many workspaces | 19:01 |
| Kilos | lekker then i dont have to maximised minimise move etc | 19:02 |
| Gotango | lol | 19:02 |
| Gotango | this lappy dont like that | 19:02 |
| Kilos | i have only one old eye to see things with | 19:02 |
| Gotango | the fan again | 19:02 |
| Kilos | it will i betcha | 19:02 |
| Kilos | dont forget you are running an iso matched to my desktop pc | 19:03 |
| Gotango | i hope so , when the correct drivers are in here | 19:03 |
| Gotango | lol i got a lazy eye | 19:03 |
| Kilos | but you have 900m of data you dont need to download | 19:03 |
| Gotango | yes thanks for that, i appritiate it man :0 | 19:04 |
| Gotango | :) | 19:04 |
| Gotango | The rest is up to me | 19:04 |
| Kilos | over the 2 years 12.04 has been going i have downloaded 8.2g of packages | 19:04 |
| Kilos | and i save them all | 19:05 |
| Gotango | wow thats alot. I wont need any updates | 19:05 |
| Gotango | or dont want any | 19:05 |
| Kilos | cant do a clean install and full update upgrade and use about 30m download data | 19:05 |
| Kilos | you need that first update to see whats available | 19:06 |
| Kilos | upgrading is optional | 19:06 |
| Gotango | I or we, can do that tomorow , its almost your bedtime now :) | 19:07 |
| Kilos | to get mysql and stuff you have to do that first sudo apt-get update | 19:07 |
| Kilos | it doesnt update anything on the pc but updates what is available from the repos | 19:08 |
| Gotango | Thats good | 19:08 |
| Kilos | yes you need that to go on | 19:08 |
| Gotango | I can download that tomorow , will take about 30minutes with the network speed here | 19:09 |
| Kilos | cool | 19:09 |
| Gotango | if it aint more than 20mb | 19:10 |
| Kilos | shouldnt be | 19:10 |
| Kilos | might be a bit less | 19:10 |
| Gotango | nice | 19:10 |
| Gotango | I just want the tools that will get ubuntu to use less resources and background processes | 19:11 |
| Kilos | then you go visit someone with uncapped adsl and upgrade | 19:11 |
| Kilos | then that the additional for ati | 19:11 |
| Kilos | what else is running in startup apps that you dont need | 19:12 |
| Kilos | bluetooth | 19:12 |
| Kilos | no im thinking of wrong thing | 19:13 |
| Gotango | It was only Nvidia there | 19:13 |
| Kilos | ya there is something else that shows lots | 19:13 |
| Kilos | will dream about it | 19:13 |
| Gotango | I dont like the transparency effects here , cant it be disabled | 19:13 |
| Kilos | ok then im glad at least its working | 19:13 |
| Kilos | night all sleep tight | 19:14 |
| Kilos | must be some way to do everything | 19:14 |
| Kilos | but thats for clever peeps | 19:14 |
| Gotango | night Kilos thanks for the help :) | 19:14 |
| Kilos | or lotsa googling | 19:14 |
| Kilos | yw | 19:14 |
| magespawn | good evening | 19:32 |
| theblazehen | evening | 20:12 |
| magespawn | hi theblazehen | 20:23 |
| theblazehen | hey magespawn | 20:23 |
| magespawn | how are things? | 20:24 |
| theblazehen | good and you magespawn ? | 20:28 |
| magespawn | good ty, busy working on a long range wireless network | 20:29 |
| theblazehen | nice man :) | 20:30 |
| theblazehen | magespawn, how long range is it/ | 20:33 |
| magespawn | ptp about 5kms | 20:34 |
| theblazehen | nice :) | 20:34 |
| magespawn | good experience, can be stressful at times though | 20:35 |
| theblazehen | yeah | 20:37 |
| magespawn | I am of to bed early start to the day tomorrow | 20:45 |
| magespawn | good noight | 20:45 |
| inetpro | good evening | 20:45 |
| inetpro | hi magespawn | 20:45 |
| magespawn | good night too | 20:45 |
| inetpro | good night | 20:45 |
| magespawn | hey inetpro | 20:45 |
| inetpro | :-) | 20:45 |
| magespawn | hah | 20:45 |
| magespawn | cheers | 20:45 |
| theblazehen | night guys | 22:12 |
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