=== SubOracle is now known as Guest97734 [05:33] hi Guest97734 have you been here before? [05:33] morning all [05:42] morning [05:44] hi Squirm bduk1 [05:44] where were you last night Squirm i needed help [05:44] I'm always here Kilos [05:45] gparted off livecd couldnt resize partitions [05:45] you just have to say my nick [05:45] oh ok ty [05:45] Morning Kilos ,squirm and everyone else [05:45] hi bduk1 [05:46] im not used to things not working off livecd, have hp lappies got some lock you cant bypass [05:47] shouldn't have [05:47] I've never had an issue with gparted [05:47] what was the error? [05:48] and a dvd is 4.7Gb [05:48] we needed to resize parts to be able to install ubuntu on free space [05:49] it also depends where the free space on the drive is [05:49] it was in windows [05:49] no [05:49] I mean, on the actual drive [05:49] wasnt an unused part [05:50] oh [05:50] if you have [05:50] you can't join the 2 [05:50] oh you mean it must be a continous space [05:50] yes [05:51] but anyway the livecd didnt even offer to install alongside [05:51] what you could do(which would be very dangerous), is move the windows partition to the beginning [05:51] just showed partition options [05:53] but he is getting a dvd to save his stuff to, and should be here today sometime [05:53] hi mazal [05:54] Môre oom [05:54] i struggle if i cant see things in front of me [05:55] also maybe there is some way to unlock win7 to allow things [05:57] the resize option didnt have arrows whereby one could resize [05:57] * Kilos cries [06:07] No man entry for alias ? Ai [06:08] Kilos: Windows 7 shouldn't be the issue [06:09] maybe its a remastersys dvd that has something missing [06:09] ill move some stuff around here and see what i can find [06:09] but it's not going to break resising a harddrive [06:10] s/harddrive/partition [06:21] hi ThatGraemeGuy [06:22] morning [06:37] ohi [06:37] ohi superfly [06:38] mazal, http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/product/show.aspx?productid=410 [06:43] Now that looks very interesting Kilos [06:43] yeah [06:44] the adapter costs 200 bucks only [07:49] G'day Ubuntu-ZA [07:53] hi Vince-0 Gotango [07:53] Hi Kilos and Vince-0 [07:55] morning guys [07:55] hi theblazehen [07:56] Morning theblazehen [07:58] Kilos i'm not sure about the HP tools files that has its own partitions. They will be wiped and i worry that the lappy will be buggy after ubuntu runs [07:59] yeah use a dvd to save stuff on rather [08:00] maybe the lappy wants that for its own use. i dont know enough about lappies to comment [08:00] Then i need to rebuild those partitions again, and SATA drives only allow 4 partitions [08:00] but [08:00] if you wipe windows and install ubuntu on the whole drive it will work [08:01] Hmm, guess your right [08:02] I already hacked off 30 GB data from windows its now 100GB free space [08:02] but if you boot from the dvd and go the install route then ubuntu should do the sorting of your partitions without probs [08:03] wow [08:03] but not all in one place? [08:03] you can run ubuntu on 20g without probs [08:04] I know but , ubutnu will remove windows partitions and create its own over that [08:04] no man [08:04] thats only if you let it use the whole drive [08:04] Like the SWAP , /HOME, /DATA partitions [08:04] There can be only 4 partitions [08:05] yes it will make them but not interfere with windows [08:05] ubuntu makes logical partitions too [08:05] Gotango, just make a single / partition [08:05] i think thats what they are called [08:05] and if you need it then use a swap file [08:06] Okay but why is my main drive locked when opened in gparted [08:06] have you read the probs we had theblazehen [08:06] gparted couldnt resize [08:06] Kilos, not really. Only heard last part [08:06] Hmm.. [08:06] I cant resize or delete anything there with gparted [08:07] try with just parted? [08:07] You booting the gparted live cd right? [08:07] Yes [08:08] Hmm, do you have another drive to spare of equal or greater size? [08:08] Nope [08:08] theblazehen, he is totally new to ubuntu and linux so needs full help [08:08] he is booting from remastersys dvd [08:08] ubuntu 12.04 [08:08] hmm, ok. [08:09] In my experience it's totally safe to nuke the vendor's partition from laptops [08:09] good morning [08:09] Maaz: coffee on [08:09] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [08:10] hey ChanServ [08:10] theblazehen are you sure the HP_TOOLS partitions are just for windows system recovery [08:10] charl* [08:10] hi Kilos, Gotango, theblazehen [08:10] lol [08:10] autocomplete fail [08:10] Gotango, has always been my experience [08:10] Hi charl [08:10] Gotango, how large is that partition? [08:11] One is 8GB and the other HP partition is 1.8 GB [08:11] you can use clonezilla to store that partition on another drive, as a file [08:11] Yeah, should be just recovery, and driver installers for windows [08:12] Okay [08:13] Coffee's ready for charl! [08:14] hi charl [08:14] lekker to have the blaze kid here to help [08:15] the ballie sukkels most times [08:16] morinenl [08:16] ai! [08:16] morning inetpro nlsthzn [08:17] * Kilos stupid type mor tab for morning [08:22] Nothing about removing the drive lock on google :/ [08:22] goeie more Kilos, and good mornings to everyone else [08:25] hey [08:32] Hello [09:20] hi mazal [09:20] hi inetpro [09:20] hi Squirm [09:23] Hey charl [09:55] hey nuvolari [10:04] Kilos i saw Opera browser i could use it without downloading it. I guess it was included in the live cd. Will it be included in the full install too [10:05] yes [10:05] thats all the stuff i have on my running system on the other pc [10:05] hi psyatw [10:06] hi Kilos [10:06] Nice , i like opera, it does'nt do background network processes like other browsers [10:06] Hi psyatw [10:07] hi Gotango [10:07] opera is nice and fast [10:07] but I don´t know what recent versions are like [10:07] yes i like it too [10:07] prefer it to the fox [10:08] True psyatw, and one saves alot in data use [10:08] Gotango, do you know why that is the case? [10:09] I don´t really have to be concerned about data use, but I´m still curious about the reason for less data use [10:09] But the latest versions of Opera uses webkit engine , like Chrome. So No more data savings. Opera new versions sucks! [10:10] oh, I see! [10:10] that [10:10] is a shame [10:11] Well when the webpage is compressed by a fast server and sent to the browser , it improves the speed and memory overhead [10:13] I used to use Opera mini on the pc with j2me emulator, was the fastest ever! but no animated gifs :p [10:14] So i will stick with Opera 12.04 until my network speed improves [10:15] I have never used opera on pc. Only on my phone. Must maybe give it a go someday [10:17] Ag great , and there is todays fail [10:17] Yeah "someday" mazal ,if you download Opera on pc now, you will need a plugin just to use the bookmarks lol [10:17] My software centre crashes and refuse to open :( [10:18] I had the same problem yesterday. My software center hanged for like 3 minutes everything froze [10:21] hi mazal [10:21] opera was also very fast on my phone and tablet [10:21] hi bduk1 [10:23] Hi psyatw [10:32] I use Chrome [10:32] syncs all my bookmarks, autofills, passwords and open tabs [10:33] use it on my phone and computers [10:52] hi Squirm [10:52] hi cha [10:52] charl [11:14] * inetpro surprised to find BD-R cheaper than DVD-R [11:14] when did that happen? [11:15] was looking at the cost per TB of storage media on wikipedia [11:18] hi inetpro [11:18] yes [11:18] when did that happen? [11:18] psyatw: hi [11:18] I haven´t followed the optical storage market for the past few years [11:19] same here [11:19] actually when you look at the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Storage_hierarchy_media_with_costs it even lists BD-R as cheaper than tape [11:20] which is even more surprising [11:20] yes indeed [11:22] what I don't see on that table is memory sticks [11:23] what is BD-R [11:23] Kilos , my big issue with ubuntu now is that when at idle my lappies fan is blowing like i'm playing a 3D game [11:23] not sure whether you can even compare memory sticks with each other [11:23] Kilos: Blue-Ray [11:23] aha ty [11:24] Gotango, forget the fan man you running from a dvd, once installed you worry about stuff like that [11:24] Blue-ray Disc capacities are 25 GB for single-layer discs, 50 GB for double-layer discs,[1] 100 GB for triple layer and 128 GB for quadruple layer (in BD-R only) [11:24] Windows dont do that. Ubuntu does'nt seem worth it [11:24] most likely your win7 is unhappy because it hasnt got control [11:25] ai! [11:26] Gotango: you can run 'sudo powertop' to figure out what is using your power [11:27] Gotango: oh but Kilos is right [11:27] I dont care about fancy 2D effects taking up cpu time, i just want ubuntu to run at 1 -5 % cpu like windows 7 [11:27] it's most likely because you're running from the live cd [11:27] inetpro if i do that i will have to disable stuff right [11:28] just run the command in the terminal [11:28] Gotango: you worry about that when you figure out what causes it [11:29] power usage used to be a problem [11:29] and in a way there still is a way to go to improve it but it's way better these days [11:29] Okay, i will let ubuntu format the whole drive. If something goes wrong , someone owe's me a Xubuntu dvd :) [11:31] Okay thats good to know inetpro. If i can configure everything to use less resources , i'm happy [11:32] wow [11:32] I'm not on the live cd now Kilos, my fan goes crazy . Will try that command when i got ubuntu installed [11:32] ok [11:33] Glad to see JDK and python already on there :) [11:33] almost everything you need is there [11:34] apart from web design stuff [11:34] yeah php and mysql have to install that myself [11:34] this is one of the reasons why we're excited about developments with wayland and mir [11:34] hmm [11:35] hi psyatw :) [11:36] how are you doing today? [11:36] i'm doing great thanks, yourself? [11:37] I am also doing well, I am finally well-rested after my trip back to poland [11:37] I am going to enjoy my time here while it lasts [11:37] that's the right attitude! [11:38] i see the winter is finally coming our way next week [11:38] as I got a job offer in ireland and I am going to respond to it tomorrow [11:38] up to thus far it's just been a long autumn [11:38] so who knows where I will end up in a few months if I get hired there or elsewhere [11:38] oh [11:38] it´s not very cold here either [11:39] ah nice! i got contacted by a recruiter from ericsson about a job in ireland a few months ago [11:39] very comparable to the weather in the netherlands [11:39] ericsson was building a "next generation mobile platform" on python or something [11:39] and what happened? [11:39] relocation was a must and i wasn't interested in relocating at the time so i turned it down [11:40] i am of the opinion that i can work remotely just as easily and just travel every now and then for in-person meetups [11:41] http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9311946 http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9987202 [11:43] i'm not sure if that was it exactly, the one i received was about building a mobile platform on python [11:43] first everyone converged into android and now there are a bunch of platforms that are shooting off again [11:43] yesterday i was watching a video on tweakers about the new webos from LG [11:44] oh, maybe because one size doesn´t fit all? [11:44] well let's face it, android isn't perfect, but if you can't run android apps you have a big disadvantage [11:44] and android doesn´t give the best experience you could get on modern hardware? [11:44] indeed [11:45] well android is google so if you trust android you trust google [11:45] you can't even install a free application from the google play store without having a google account [11:45] so having an android device in essence forces you to use google, or at least have a google account [11:46] and how is this a problem for most users? [11:46] it's like the first version of windows 8.1 that also forced you to log in with a microsoft account, although i see they took that out now [11:46] well it's not an issue of a practical problem but it delivers privacy concerns [11:46] yes, I know and I am aware of that [11:47] but how would other manufacturers´ platforms do any better? [11:47] wouldn´t they want to have similar control over their customers´ user experience? [11:47] that's exactly the right question [11:47] hmm... [11:48] Ericsson playing with words [11:48] OSS (Operator Support System) [11:48] that's the reason i don't have a mobile phone, i need to have one that runs 100& on foss without killing the warranty [11:49] *100% [11:54] I have an android phone [11:54] not because I love android so much [11:54] but because it has a minimum user experience I can live with [11:55] i used to have a huawei ideos that i brought back with me from kenya [11:55] that was the absolute minimum of minimum of android phones, costs about 40 euro [11:55] and I hope I can get one running some software that I really want running on it [11:55] yes [11:55] excellent phone, dropped it many times, screen never shattered, and you could actually make calls with it [11:55] but for running software it was extremely slow and the camera was bad too [11:55] that´s the problem [11:56] android has become quite heavy [11:56] and the apps even more so [11:56] openstreetmap for example was practically unusable [11:56] I have had to uninstall more and more applications lately [11:56] because they all got bloated compared to two and a half years ago [11:57] my mother has some xperia or something and she uses chatsecure to chat with me via xmpp [11:57] the app runs great except it sucks a heck of a lot from the battery [11:58] apparently whatsapp is much more efficient on the battery but whatsapp is a walled garden [11:58] even though whatsapp also apparently uses xmpp underneath the water [12:02] I see [12:02] brb [12:25] Gotango, whats happening? [12:34] I wana try saving my files to the phone via memory card. Then do the Erase Disk thing [12:34] whew [12:35] Full Ubuntu install with no windows anywhere. Just like you wished for :) [12:36] what made you decide that? [12:36] So if i dont return here , you know my pc will be dead for a few months lol [12:37] windows is very useful to have [12:37] for p[laying games [12:37] I cant resize the main drive , that lock i cant remove it [12:37] no man it will still boot from the cd then you can come ask for help [12:37] aha [12:39] When ubutnu has a new partition i will have to figure out how to rebuild windows partitions manually , thats a headache [12:41] if you gonna erase and use entire disk there wont be any windows partitions to rebuild [12:41] it will be a clean drive with ubuntu [12:42] If by a miracle i figure out how to rebuild windows partitions , then most likely windows stuff will be corrupted and wont work properly and then space will be wasted by a damaged OS [12:42] ext4 so windows pcs cant even see it [12:42] wait [12:42] if you go with the options to partition let us know what is there [12:43] if you dont erase windows partitions then you dont need to rebuild them [12:43] but if you use the erase disk and install ubuntu there will be absolutely nothing of windows left to find [12:44] But when i tick Create New partitions" in ubutnu installations , it says all previous partitions will be deleted , then it gives an empty partition list [12:45] whew i wish i had that thing in front of me [12:45] does it show nothing about windows? [12:45] Bye everyone , have a nice weekend [12:46] Nothing, i can only view the files on the drive in ubuntu [12:47] well then looks like you gotta decide what next step will be. keep windows or do like i did and go straight to ubuntu and work on that [12:48] i am sure you will be able to do all your work with ubuntu [12:49] The only windows game i play alot is Tricky truck, always get in the top 3 on all tracks , but they wont miss me lol . So windows aint that much important [12:50] In my situation i think only option is to Erase everything on disk and install Ubuntu [12:51] Hopefully the headaches will be minimal [12:51] ok that way you dont need to make any partitions ubuntu does everything for you [12:52] hp is normally very buntu friendly [12:53] i hope thats true [12:55] So i'm waiting for my sister so i can link my memory card to her phone, then put my files on it. Uninstall all my windows programs and Erase and Install Ubuntu [12:56] you dont need to uninstall [12:56] ubuntu cleans everything if you go the erase and use entire disk route [12:56] It will make the installation a bit faster i think [12:56] nope [12:57] Okay [12:57] ubuntu wipes that drive in seconds [12:57] no 2 hour format [12:57] lol i guess so [14:43] iho kbmonkey [14:43] rather bad connection you have there [14:43] ohi too [14:56] Kilos , my windows 7 is dead [14:56] oh my [14:56] ubuntu installed? [14:56] I got a big problem now [14:57] what [14:57] explain what you did [14:58] I'm using the live cd now. When i try to install ubuntu it installs all the files to disk. But when i try to enter the input fields the mouse dont work and no keyboard keys not working [14:59] I dont know what to do now [14:59] just use tab until it lights the fields you want to fill in [15:00] oh my no keyboard either [15:00] eeek [15:00] No keys no mouse [15:00] charl, ideas? [15:00] Why is it only working on live cd / [15:00] have you got others you can plug into usb? [15:01] Nope [15:01] ubuntu loves usb stuff [15:01] Squirm, help [15:02] o wait ThatGraemeGuy you got an old hp lappy hey [15:02] yes [15:02] if he has he will know what to do [15:02] this one dont have mouse or keyboard working on install [15:03] hi Kilos [15:03] reading [15:03] weird :-/ [15:03] I'm afraid you give me too much credit, I don't know what that could be [15:03] i have no idea either, sorry [15:03] lol its supposed to just work with hp stuff [15:03] sounds like a very strange bug, one i have never experienced myself [15:04] with lenovo that is usually the cast, i don't know about hp [15:04] i made the iso from my desktop, could that be the prob? [15:04] you made the iso from your desktop? sorry not sure what you mean [15:05] But everything works fine in the live cd [15:05] Gotango, someone close by you know must have usb keyboard and mouse to loan you [15:05] Should i install ubuntu again , even though its installed already [15:05] i made a remastersys iso from my running 12.04 and sent it to him [15:05] Nope kilos no pc nerds near by [15:06] try install again Gotango it must see them [15:06] use official isos [15:06] once the install gets to detecting hardware it will see everything [15:07] Okay i will try again [15:07] i dont have ThatGraemeGuy and he hasnt the data to download [15:07] i only use remastersys isos now because they are up to date with everything [15:08] oh i see [15:08] then don't install. you don't go hacking together installers unless you are 110% familiar with everything that goes on behind the scenes [15:08] if he was closer id lend him a mouse and keyboard [15:09] he has already installed as far as it goes before usung keyboard and mouse [15:09] so his win7 is gone [15:09] shoulda told him to keep wiggling the mouse while installing [15:10] all of which would likely be avoided if the official installer was used. the ubuntu installer allows for resizing windows installs non-destructively [15:12] so does the remastersys here [15:12] you dont see any diffs from the official one except that everything is updated and includes whats installed [15:12] so 2.2g dvd not 1.2 [15:13] ok [15:13] well i don't know the answer [15:13] oh no 12.04 was under 730m [15:13] and no official support channel is going to help out with a non-official iso [15:14] i asked maia to mail him the official cd but havent heard [15:14] then he could use my dvd for updating [15:15] ive used the remastersys dvd's on 3 different machines but all desktops [15:15] lemme mail maia [15:20] maybe she forgot [15:23] maybe he can go via the try ubuntu route and then install from there while he has mouse and kb working [15:47] yay new telephone arrived today http://www.aastra.com/aastra-6725ip.htm [15:48] now i just need to get power over ethernet activated on my network port [15:52] shame maia forgot to go past post office so cd still in her car [16:03] nlsthzn, ping [16:11] hi Guest97734 you still here? [16:49] hmm... another lurker [16:52] * nlsthzn is here [16:53] Kilos, pong [16:53] hi neelsie wb [16:53] whew got worried bout you. no chat [16:53] ah, was working [16:53] as long as all is ok there thats fine [16:54] we got nuff lurkers [16:54] sick but alive... no word from SA yet ... (comments removed due to age restriction) [16:54] you sick again? [16:54] sjoe [16:54] still :p [16:54] the flu [16:54] and snot [16:55] whew [16:55] :p [16:59] * Kilos lucky when it comes to flu [17:07] daughter asked for some music from the net cause it is so easy to download... [17:07] so I first bought her the CD with her pocket money and now I am downloading it for her :p [17:08] * nlsthzn wonders about the morel implications... [17:18] lol [17:18]