[05:33] <Kilos> hi Guest97734  have you been here before?
[05:33] <Kilos> morning all
[05:42] <Squirm> morning
[05:44] <Kilos> hi Squirm bduk1 
[05:44] <Kilos> where were you last night Squirm i needed help
[05:44] <Squirm> I'm always here Kilos
[05:45] <Kilos> gparted off livecd couldnt resize partitions
[05:45] <Squirm> you just have to say my nick
[05:45] <Kilos> oh ok ty
[05:45] <bduk1> Morning Kilos ,squirm and everyone else
[05:45] <Squirm> hi bduk1 
[05:46] <Kilos> im not used to things not working off livecd, have hp lappies got some lock you cant bypass
[05:47] <Squirm> shouldn't have
[05:47] <Squirm> I've never had an issue with gparted
[05:47] <Squirm> what was the error?
[05:48] <Squirm> and a dvd is 4.7Gb
[05:48] <Kilos> we needed to resize parts to be able to install ubuntu on free space
[05:49] <Squirm> it also depends where the free space on the drive is
[05:49] <Kilos> it was in windows
[05:49] <Squirm> no
[05:49] <Squirm> I mean, on the actual drive
[05:49] <Kilos> wasnt an unused part
[05:50] <Kilos> oh
[05:50] <Squirm> if you have <some free space> <Windows> <Some more free space>
[05:50] <Squirm> you can't join the 2
[05:50] <Kilos> oh you mean it must be a continous space
[05:50] <Squirm> yes
[05:51] <Kilos> but anyway the livecd didnt even offer to install alongside
[05:51] <Squirm> what you could do(which would be very dangerous), is move the windows partition to the beginning
[05:51] <Kilos> just showed partition options
[05:53] <Kilos> but he is getting a dvd to save his stuff to, and should be here today sometime
[05:53] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[05:54] <mazal> Môre oom
[05:54] <Kilos> i struggle if i cant see things in front of me
[05:55] <Kilos> also maybe there is some way to unlock win7 to allow things
[05:57] <Kilos> the resize option didnt have arrows whereby one could resize
[05:57]  * Kilos cries
[06:07] <mazal> No man entry for alias ? Ai
[06:08] <Squirm> Kilos: Windows 7 shouldn't be the issue
[06:09] <Kilos> maybe its a remastersys dvd that has something missing
[06:09] <Kilos> ill move some stuff around here and see what i can find
[06:09] <Squirm> but it's not going to break resising a harddrive
[06:10] <Squirm> s/harddrive/partition
[06:21] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning
[06:37] <superfly> ohi
[06:37] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[06:38] <Kilos> mazal, http://www.tenda.cn/tendacn/product/show.aspx?productid=410
[06:43] <mazal> Now that looks very interesting Kilos 
[06:43] <Kilos> yeah
[06:44] <Kilos> the adapter costs 200 bucks only
[07:49] <Vince-0> G'day Ubuntu-ZA
[07:53] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 Gotango 
[07:53] <Gotango> Hi Kilos and Vince-0
[07:55] <theblazehen> morning guys
[07:55] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[07:56] <Gotango> Morning theblazehen
[07:58] <Gotango> Kilos i'm not sure about the HP tools files that has its own partitions. They will be wiped and i worry that the lappy will be buggy after ubuntu runs
[07:59] <Kilos> yeah use a dvd to save stuff on rather
[08:00] <Kilos> maybe the lappy wants that for its own use. i dont know enough about lappies to comment
[08:00] <Gotango> Then i need to rebuild those partitions again, and SATA drives only allow 4 partitions
[08:00] <Kilos> but
[08:00] <Kilos> if you wipe windows and install ubuntu on the whole drive it will work
[08:01] <Gotango> Hmm, guess your right
[08:02] <Gotango> I already hacked off 30 GB data from windows its now 100GB free space
[08:02] <Kilos> but if you boot from the dvd and go the install route then ubuntu should do the sorting of your partitions without probs
[08:03] <Kilos> wow
[08:03] <Kilos> but not all in one place?
[08:03] <Kilos> you can run ubuntu on 20g without probs
[08:04] <Gotango> I know but , ubutnu will remove windows partitions and create its own over that
[08:04] <Kilos> no man
[08:04] <Kilos> thats only if you let it use the whole drive
[08:04] <Gotango> Like the SWAP , /HOME, /DATA partitions 
[08:04] <Gotango> There can be only 4 partitions
[08:05] <Kilos> yes it will make them but not interfere with windows
[08:05] <Kilos> ubuntu makes logical partitions too
[08:05] <theblazehen> Gotango, just make a single / partition
[08:05] <Kilos> i think thats what they are called
[08:05] <theblazehen> and if you need it then use a swap file
[08:06] <Gotango> Okay but why is my main drive locked when opened in gparted
[08:06] <Kilos> have you read the probs we had theblazehen 
[08:06] <Kilos> gparted couldnt resize
[08:06] <theblazehen> Kilos, not really. Only heard last part
[08:06] <theblazehen> Hmm..
[08:06] <Gotango> I cant resize or delete anything there with gparted
[08:07] <theblazehen> try with just parted?
[08:07] <theblazehen> You booting the gparted live cd right?
[08:07] <Gotango> Yes 
[08:08] <theblazehen> Hmm, do you have another drive to spare of equal or greater size?
[08:08] <Gotango> Nope 
[08:08] <Kilos> theblazehen, he is totally new to ubuntu and linux so needs full help
[08:08] <Kilos> he is booting from remastersys dvd
[08:08] <Kilos> ubuntu 12.04
[08:08] <theblazehen> hmm, ok.
[08:09] <theblazehen> In my experience it's totally safe to nuke the vendor's partition from laptops
[08:09] <charl> good morning
[08:09] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:09]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[08:10] <theblazehen> hey ChanServ 
[08:10] <Gotango> theblazehen are you sure the HP_TOOLS partitions are just for windows system recovery
[08:10] <theblazehen> charl*
[08:10] <charl> hi Kilos, Gotango, theblazehen 
[08:10] <charl> lol
[08:10] <charl> autocomplete fail
[08:10] <theblazehen> Gotango, has always been my experience
[08:10] <Gotango> Hi charl
[08:10] <theblazehen> Gotango, how large is that partition?
[08:11] <Gotango> One is 8GB and the other HP partition is 1.8 GB
[08:11] <theblazehen> you can use clonezilla to store that partition on another drive, as a file
[08:11] <theblazehen> Yeah, should be just recovery, and driver installers for windows
[08:12] <Gotango> Okay
[08:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[08:14] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:14] <Kilos> lekker to have the blaze kid here to help
[08:15] <Kilos> the ballie sukkels most times
[08:16] <Kilos> morinenl
[08:16] <Kilos> ai!
[08:16] <Kilos> morning inetpro nlsthzn 
[08:17]  * Kilos stupid type mor tab for morning
[08:22] <Gotango> Nothing about removing the drive lock on google :/
[08:22] <inetpro> goeie more Kilos, and good mornings to everyone else
[08:25] <Squirm> hey
[08:32] <mazal> Hello
[09:20] <charl> hi mazal 
[09:20] <charl> hi inetpro 
[09:20] <charl> hi Squirm 
[09:23] <mazal> Hey charl
[09:55] <Squirm> hey nuvolari 
[10:04] <Gotango> Kilos i saw Opera browser i could use it without downloading it. I guess it was included in the live cd. Will it be included in the full install too
[10:05] <Kilos> yes
[10:05] <Kilos> thats all the stuff i have on my running system on the other pc
[10:05] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[10:06] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[10:06] <Gotango> Nice , i like opera, it does'nt do background network processes like other browsers
[10:06] <Gotango> Hi psyatw
[10:07] <psyatw> hi Gotango
[10:07] <psyatw> opera is nice and fast
[10:07] <psyatw> but I don´t know what recent versions are like
[10:07] <Kilos> yes i like it too
[10:07] <Kilos> prefer it to the fox
[10:08] <Gotango> True psyatw, and one saves alot in data use
[10:08] <psyatw> Gotango, do you know why that is the case?
[10:09] <psyatw> I don´t really have to be concerned about data use, but I´m still curious about the reason for less data use
[10:09] <Gotango> But the latest versions of Opera uses webkit engine , like Chrome. So No more data savings. Opera new versions sucks!
[10:10] <psyatw> oh, I see!
[10:10] <psyatw> that
[10:10] <psyatw> is a shame
[10:11] <Gotango> Well when the webpage is compressed by a fast server and sent to the browser , it improves the speed and memory overhead 
[10:13] <Gotango> I used to use Opera mini on the pc with j2me emulator, was the fastest ever! but no animated gifs :p
[10:14] <Gotango> So i will stick with Opera 12.04 until my network speed improves
[10:15] <mazal> I have never used opera on pc. Only on my phone. Must maybe give it a go someday
[10:17] <mazal> Ag great , and there is todays fail
[10:17] <Gotango> Yeah "someday" mazal ,if you download Opera on pc now, you will need a plugin just to use the bookmarks lol
[10:17] <mazal> My software centre crashes and refuse to open :(
[10:18] <Gotango> I had the same problem yesterday. My software center hanged for like 3 minutes everything froze
[10:21] <psyatw> hi mazal
[10:21] <psyatw> opera was also very fast on my phone and tablet
[10:21] <psyatw> hi bduk1
[10:23] <bduk1> Hi psyatw 
[10:32] <Squirm> I use Chrome
[10:32] <Squirm> syncs all my bookmarks, autofills, passwords and open tabs
[10:33] <Squirm> use it on my phone and computers
[10:52] <psyatw> hi Squirm
[10:52] <psyatw> hi cha
[10:52] <psyatw> charl
[11:14]  * inetpro surprised to find BD-R cheaper than DVD-R
[11:14] <inetpro> when did that happen?
[11:15] <inetpro> was looking at the cost per TB of storage media on wikipedia
[11:18] <psyatw> hi inetpro
[11:18] <psyatw> yes
[11:18] <psyatw> when did that happen?
[11:18] <inetpro> psyatw: hi
[11:18] <psyatw> I haven´t followed the optical storage market for the past few years
[11:19] <inetpro> same here
[11:19] <inetpro> actually when you look at the table at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Storage_hierarchy_media_with_costs it even lists BD-R as cheaper than tape
[11:20] <inetpro> which is even more surprising
[11:20] <psyatw> yes indeed
[11:22] <inetpro> what I don't see on that table is memory sticks
[11:23] <Kilos> what is  BD-R
[11:23] <Gotango> Kilos , my big issue with ubuntu now is that when at idle my lappies fan is blowing like i'm playing a 3D game
[11:23] <inetpro> not sure whether you can even compare memory sticks with each other
[11:23] <inetpro> Kilos: Blue-Ray
[11:23] <Kilos> aha ty
[11:24] <Kilos> Gotango, forget the fan man you running from a dvd, once installed you worry about stuff like that
[11:24] <inetpro> Blue-ray Disc capacities are 25 GB for single-layer discs, 50 GB for double-layer discs,[1] 100 GB for triple layer and 128 GB for quadruple layer (in BD-R only)
[11:24] <Gotango> Windows dont do that. Ubuntu does'nt seem worth it
[11:24] <Kilos> most likely your win7 is unhappy because it hasnt got control
[11:25] <Kilos> ai!
[11:26] <inetpro> Gotango: you can run 'sudo powertop' to figure out what is using your power
[11:27] <inetpro> Gotango: oh but Kilos is right
[11:27] <Gotango> I dont care about fancy 2D effects taking up cpu time, i just want ubuntu to run at 1 -5 % cpu like windows 7 
[11:27] <inetpro> it's most likely because you're running from the live cd
[11:27] <Gotango> inetpro if i do that i will have to disable stuff right
[11:28] <Kilos> just run the command in the terminal
[11:28] <inetpro> Gotango: you worry about that when you figure out what causes it
[11:29] <inetpro> power usage used to be a problem
[11:29] <inetpro> and in a way there still is a way to go to improve it but it's way better these days
[11:29] <Gotango> Okay, i will let ubuntu format the whole drive. If something goes wrong , someone owe's me a Xubuntu dvd :)
[11:31] <Gotango> Okay thats good to know inetpro. If i can configure everything to use less resources , i'm happy
[11:32] <Kilos> wow
[11:32] <Gotango> I'm not on the live cd now Kilos, my fan goes crazy . Will try that command when i got ubuntu installed
[11:32] <Kilos> ok
[11:33] <Gotango> Glad to see JDK and python already on there :)
[11:33] <Kilos> almost everything you need is there
[11:34] <Kilos> apart from web design stuff
[11:34] <Gotango> yeah php and mysql have to install that myself
[11:34] <inetpro> this is one of the reasons why we're excited about developments with wayland and mir
[11:34] <inetpro> hmm
[11:35] <charl> hi psyatw :)
[11:36] <psyatw> how are you doing today?
[11:36] <charl> i'm doing great thanks, yourself?
[11:37] <psyatw> I am also doing well, I am finally well-rested after my trip back to poland
[11:37] <psyatw> I am going to enjoy my time here while it lasts
[11:37] <charl> that's the right attitude!
[11:38] <charl> i see the winter is finally coming our way next week
[11:38] <psyatw> as I got a job offer in ireland and I am going to respond to it tomorrow
[11:38] <charl> up to thus far it's just been a long autumn
[11:38] <psyatw> so who knows where I will end up in a few months if I get hired there or elsewhere
[11:38] <psyatw> oh
[11:38] <psyatw> it´s not very cold here either
[11:39] <charl> ah nice! i got contacted by a recruiter from ericsson about a job in ireland a few months ago
[11:39] <psyatw> very comparable to the weather in the netherlands
[11:39] <charl> ericsson was building a "next generation mobile platform" on python or something
[11:39] <psyatw> and what happened?
[11:39] <charl> relocation was a must and i wasn't interested in relocating at the time so i turned it down
[11:40] <charl> i am of the opinion that i can work remotely just as easily and just travel every now and then for in-person meetups
[11:41] <charl> http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9311946 http://www.linkedin.com/jobs2/view/9987202
[11:43] <charl> i'm not sure if that was it exactly, the one i received was about building a mobile platform on python
[11:43] <charl> first everyone converged into android and now there are a bunch of platforms that are shooting off again
[11:43] <charl> yesterday i was watching a video on tweakers about the new webos from LG
[11:44] <psyatw> oh, maybe because one size doesn´t fit all?
[11:44] <charl> well let's face it, android isn't perfect, but if you can't run android apps you have a big disadvantage
[11:44] <psyatw> and android doesn´t give the best experience you could get on modern hardware?
[11:44] <psyatw> indeed
[11:45] <charl> well android is google so if you trust android you trust google
[11:45] <charl> you can't even install a free application from the google play store without having a google account
[11:45] <charl> so having an android device in essence forces you to use google, or at least have a google account
[11:46] <psyatw> and how is this a problem for most users?
[11:46] <charl> it's like the first version of windows 8.1 that also forced you to log in with a microsoft account, although i see they took that out now
[11:46] <charl> well it's not an issue of a practical problem but it delivers privacy concerns
[11:46] <psyatw> yes, I know and I am aware of that
[11:47] <psyatw> but how would other manufacturers´ platforms do any better?
[11:47] <psyatw> wouldn´t they want to have similar control over their customers´ user experience?
[11:47] <charl> that's exactly the right question
[11:47] <inetpro> hmm... 
[11:48] <inetpro> Ericsson playing with words
[11:48] <inetpro> OSS (Operator Support System)
[11:48] <charl> that's the reason i don't have a mobile phone, i need to have one that runs 100& on foss without killing the warranty
[11:49] <charl> *100%
[11:54] <psyatw> I have an android phone
[11:54] <psyatw> not because I love android so much
[11:54] <psyatw> but because it has a minimum user experience I can live with
[11:55] <charl> i used to have a huawei ideos that i brought back with me from kenya
[11:55] <charl> that was the absolute minimum of minimum of android phones, costs about 40 euro
[11:55] <psyatw> and I hope I can get one running some software that I really want running on it
[11:55] <psyatw> yes
[11:55] <charl> excellent phone, dropped it many times, screen never shattered, and you could actually make calls with it
[11:55] <charl> but for running software it was extremely slow and the camera was bad too
[11:55] <psyatw> that´s the problem
[11:56] <psyatw> android has become quite heavy
[11:56] <psyatw> and the apps even more so
[11:56] <charl> openstreetmap for example was practically unusable
[11:56] <psyatw> I have had to uninstall more and more applications lately
[11:56] <psyatw> because they all got bloated compared to two and a half years ago
[11:57] <charl> my mother has some xperia or something and she uses chatsecure to chat with me via xmpp
[11:57] <charl> the app runs great except it sucks a heck of a lot from the battery
[11:58] <charl> apparently whatsapp is much more efficient on the battery but whatsapp is a walled garden
[11:58] <charl> even though whatsapp also apparently uses xmpp underneath the water
[12:02] <psyatw> I see
[12:02] <psyatw> brb
[12:25] <Kilos> Gotango, whats happening?
[12:34] <Gotango> I wana try saving my files to the phone via memory card. Then do the Erase Disk thing
[12:34] <Kilos> whew
[12:35] <Gotango> Full Ubuntu install with no windows anywhere. Just like you wished for :)
[12:36] <Kilos> what made you decide that?
[12:36] <Gotango> So if i dont return here , you know my pc will be dead for a few months lol
[12:37] <Kilos> windows is very useful to have
[12:37] <Kilos> for p[laying games
[12:37] <Gotango> I cant resize the main drive , that lock i cant remove it
[12:37] <Kilos> no man it will still boot from the cd then you can come ask for help
[12:37] <Kilos> aha
[12:39] <Gotango> When ubutnu has a new partition i will  have to figure out how to rebuild windows partitions manually , thats a headache
[12:41] <Kilos> if you gonna erase and use entire disk there wont be any windows partitions to rebuild
[12:41] <Kilos> it will be a clean drive with ubuntu
[12:42] <Gotango> If by a miracle i figure out how to rebuild windows partitions , then most likely windows stuff will be corrupted and wont work properly and then space will be wasted by a damaged OS
[12:42] <Kilos> ext4 so windows pcs cant even see it
[12:42] <Kilos> wait
[12:42] <Kilos> if you go with the options to partition let us know what is there
[12:43] <Kilos> if you dont erase windows partitions then you dont need to rebuild them
[12:43] <Kilos> but if you use the erase disk and install ubuntu there will be absolutely nothing of windows left to find
[12:44] <Gotango> But when i tick Create New partitions" in ubutnu installations , it says all previous partitions will be deleted , then it gives an empty partition list
[12:45] <Kilos> whew i wish i had that thing in front of me
[12:45] <Kilos> does it show nothing about windows?
[12:45] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice weekend
[12:46] <Gotango> Nothing, i can only view the files on the drive in ubuntu
[12:47] <Kilos> well then looks like you gotta decide what next step will be. keep windows or do like i did and go straight to ubuntu and work on that
[12:48] <Kilos> i am sure you will be able to do all your work with ubuntu
[12:49] <Gotango> The only windows game i play alot is Tricky truck, always get in the top 3 on all tracks , but they wont miss me lol . So windows aint that much important 
[12:50] <Gotango> In my situation i think only option is to Erase everything on disk and install Ubuntu
[12:51] <Gotango> Hopefully the headaches will be minimal
[12:51] <Kilos> ok that way you dont need to make any partitions ubuntu does everything for you
[12:52] <Kilos> hp is normally very buntu friendly
[12:53] <Gotango> i hope thats true
[12:55] <Gotango> So i'm waiting for my sister so i can link my memory card to her phone, then put my files on it. Uninstall all my windows programs and Erase and Install Ubuntu
[12:56] <Kilos> you dont need to uninstall
[12:56] <Kilos> ubuntu cleans everything if you go the erase and use entire disk route
[12:56] <Gotango> It will make the installation a bit faster i think
[12:56] <Kilos> nope
[12:57] <Gotango> Okay 
[12:57] <Kilos> ubuntu wipes that drive in seconds
[12:57] <Kilos> no 2 hour format
[12:57] <Gotango> lol i guess so
[14:43] <Kilos> iho kbmonkey 
[14:43] <Kilos> rather bad connection you have there
[14:43] <Kilos> ohi too
[14:56] <Gotango> Kilos , my windows 7 is dead
[14:56] <Kilos> oh my
[14:56] <Kilos> ubuntu installed?
[14:56] <Gotango> I got a big problem now
[14:57] <Kilos> what
[14:57] <Kilos> explain what you did
[14:58] <Gotango> I'm using the live cd now. When i try to install ubuntu it installs all the files to disk. But when i try to enter the input fields the mouse dont work and no keyboard keys not working
[14:59] <Gotango> I dont know what to do now
[14:59] <Kilos> just use tab until it lights the fields you want to fill in
[15:00] <Kilos> oh my no keyboard either
[15:00] <Kilos> eeek
[15:00] <Gotango> No keys no mouse
[15:00] <Kilos> charl, ideas?
[15:00] <Gotango> Why is it only working on live cd /
[15:00] <Kilos> have you got others you can plug into usb?
[15:01] <Gotango> Nope
[15:01] <Kilos> ubuntu loves usb stuff
[15:01] <Kilos> Squirm, help
[15:02] <Kilos> o wait ThatGraemeGuy you got an old hp lappy hey
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[15:02] <Kilos> if he has he will know what to do
[15:02] <Kilos> this one dont have mouse or keyboard working on install
[15:03] <charl> hi Kilos 
[15:03] <charl> reading
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird :-/
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> I'm afraid you give me too much credit, I don't know what that could be
[15:03] <charl> i have no idea either, sorry
[15:03] <Kilos> lol its supposed to just work with hp stuff
[15:03] <charl> sounds like a very strange bug, one i have never experienced myself
[15:04] <charl> with lenovo that is usually the cast, i don't know about hp
[15:04] <Kilos> i made the iso from my desktop, could that be the prob?
[15:04] <charl> you made the iso from your desktop? sorry not sure what you mean
[15:05] <Gotango> But everything works fine in the live cd
[15:05] <Kilos> Gotango, someone close by you know must have usb keyboard and mouse to loan you
[15:05] <Gotango> Should i install ubuntu again , even though its installed already
[15:05] <Kilos> i made a remastersys iso from my running 12.04 and sent it to him
[15:05] <Gotango> Nope  kilos no pc nerds near by
[15:06] <Kilos> try install again Gotango it must see them
[15:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> use official isos
[15:06] <Kilos> once the install gets to detecting hardware it will see everything
[15:07] <Gotango> Okay i will try again
[15:07] <Kilos> i dont have ThatGraemeGuy and he hasnt the data to download
[15:07] <Kilos> i only use remastersys isos now because they are up to date with everything
[15:08] <charl> oh i see
[15:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> then don't install. you don't go hacking together installers unless you are 110% familiar with everything that goes on behind the scenes
[15:08] <Kilos> if he was closer id lend him a mouse and keyboard
[15:09] <Kilos> he has already installed as far as it goes before usung keyboard and mouse
[15:09] <Kilos> so his win7 is gone
[15:09] <Kilos> shoulda told him to keep wiggling the mouse while installing
[15:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> all of which would likely be avoided if the official installer was used. the ubuntu installer allows for resizing windows installs non-destructively
[15:12] <Kilos> so does the remastersys here
[15:12] <Kilos> you dont see any diffs from the official one except that everything is updated and includes whats installed
[15:12] <Kilos> so 2.2g dvd not 1.2
[15:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[15:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> well i don't know the answer
[15:13] <Kilos> oh no 12.04 was under 730m
[15:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> and no official support channel is going to help out with a non-official iso
[15:14] <Kilos> i asked maia to mail him the official cd but havent heard
[15:14] <Kilos> then he could use my dvd for updating
[15:15] <Kilos> ive used the remastersys dvd's on 3 different machines but all desktops
[15:15] <Kilos> lemme mail maia
[15:20] <Kilos> maybe she forgot
[15:23] <Kilos> maybe he can go via the try ubuntu route and then install from there while he has mouse and kb working
[15:47] <charl> yay new telephone arrived today http://www.aastra.com/aastra-6725ip.htm
[15:48] <charl> now i just need to get power over ethernet activated on my network port
[15:52] <Kilos> shame maia forgot to go past post office so cd still in her car
[16:03] <Kilos> nlsthzn, ping
[16:11] <Kilos> hi Guest97734 you still here?
[16:49] <Kilos> hmm... another lurker
[16:52]  * nlsthzn is here
[16:53] <nlsthzn> Kilos, pong
[16:53] <Kilos> hi neelsie wb
[16:53] <Kilos> whew got worried bout you. no chat
[16:53] <nlsthzn> ah, was working
[16:53] <Kilos> as long as all is ok there thats fine
[16:54] <Kilos> we got nuff lurkers
[16:54] <nlsthzn> sick but alive... no word from SA yet ... (comments removed due to age restriction)
[16:54] <Kilos> you sick again?
[16:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[16:54] <nlsthzn> still :p
[16:54] <nlsthzn> the flu
[16:54] <nlsthzn> and snot
[16:55] <Kilos> whew
[16:55] <nlsthzn> :p
[16:59]  * Kilos lucky when it comes to flu
[17:07] <nlsthzn> daughter asked for some music from the net cause it is so easy to download...
[17:07] <nlsthzn> so I first bought her the CD with her pocket money and now I am downloading it for her :p
[17:08]  * nlsthzn wonders about the morel implications...
[17:18] <Kilos> lol
[17:18] <Gotango> Took me 3 tries and now it works
[17:18] <Maaz> Gotango: By the way, Kilos on freenode told me "tell GoTango There will be more original cds on their way to you soon, the lady forgot to make a turn by the post officecoupla weeks back" 1 hour, 15 minutes and 53 seconds ago
[17:19] <Kilos> Gotango, what happened
[17:19] <Kilos> yay
[17:19] <Gotango> everything works fine :)
[17:19] <Kilos> how much data have you got?
[17:19] <Gotango> hav'nt tested the sound yet and video
[17:20] <Kilos> you better turn off updates
[17:20] <Gotango> I dunno, maybe 100mb
[17:20] <Kilos> was an 80m update 3 days ago
[17:20] <Gotango> where is that
[17:20] <Gotango> Okay
[17:20] <Kilos> tick that launcher and type in update
[17:21] <Kilos> that will open the update manager but do it with modem out quick\
[17:21] <Kilos> dont let it look for more updates
[17:21] <Gotango> okay
[17:22] <Kilos> in update manager go settings
[17:22] <Kilos> where it shows check daily set to never
[17:22] <Kilos> or untick the check block
[17:22] <Kilos> i get mixed up at times
[17:24] <Gotango> Do i tick Revert or Close after my selection
[17:24] <Kilos> close
[17:25] <Gotango> okay
[17:25] <Kilos> hi spinza 
[17:25] <Kilos> im happy its working man
[17:26] <Kilos> you see how quick ubuntu formats and makes the needed partitions
[17:26] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu
[17:26] <Gotango> I'm not happy yet, My lappies fan is blowing hot here
[17:26] <Kilos> now you do that command inetpro gave you
[17:27] <Kilos> something with top in
[17:27] <Gotango> hmm i didnt wrote it down
[17:27] <Kilos> wait i scroll back
[17:27] <Gotango> ok
[17:31] <Kilos> 'sudo powertop'
[17:31] <Gotango> okay
[17:31] <Kilos> no quotes
[17:31] <Kilos> peeps always put commands in quotes but dont use them unless they in the middle of the command
[17:32] <Gotango> sudo: powertop: command not found
[17:32] <Kilos> sudo apt-get install powertop
[17:32] <Gotango> How big is that
[17:33] <Kilos> im checking
[17:33] <Gotango> okay
[17:33] <Kilos> 125 kB
[17:33] <Gotango> Nice thats small
[17:34] <Kilos> and will install another dependancy with it
[17:34] <Gotango> Hmm 
[17:34] <Kilos> 163kB
[17:34] <Gotango> okay
[17:35] <Kilos> most linux files are small
[17:35] <Kilos> also now you dont install anything from cds
[17:35] <Gotango> E: Unable to locate package powertop
[17:36] <Kilos> oh my you gotta first run sudo apt-get update and thats about 20m
[17:37] <Gotango> What? and what is in there
[17:37] <Kilos> if we had used that before a made the dvd i woulda installed it too
[17:37] <Kilos> thats tells your system what is available
[17:38] <Kilos> there are thousands of apps in the repos
[17:38] <Kilos> that update command finds them
[17:38] <Gotango> So the powertop package is in that update
[17:39] <Kilos> what happens is you have now got what i have on other pc
[17:40] <Kilos> so anything i dont have needs to be found and that update tells your pc what is available
[17:40] <Gotango> Well i'm a bit happy now my fan is blowing like it did on windows
[17:40] <Gotango> Dunno how long it will be like this
[17:41] <Kilos> isnt it supposed to blow
[17:41] <Gotango> yes but it blew too fast , like it did when i was playing 3D games
[17:42] <Gotango> Now it blows gently almost cant hear it
[17:42] <Kilos> there are lots off apps, when you have data to install synaptic 8m then you will see them all after the update
[17:42] <Kilos> oh thats good
[17:42] <Kilos> just open launcher and type in synaptic
[17:43] <Kilos> it should be there already
[17:43] <Gotango> maybe in time ubuntu will integrate better in the system
[17:43] <Gotango> Its ok i dont need apps now
[17:43] <Gotango> will try synaptic soon
[17:43] <Kilos> now man
[17:44] <Kilos> i want to see if its there
[17:44] <Gotango> Why now
[17:44] <Kilos> because i say so
[17:44] <Gotango> oh
[17:44] <Kilos> there is another setting to do to save all packages
[17:44] <Gotango> yes its here
[17:45] <Gotango> Now what
[17:45] <Kilos> ok open it but tick nothing
[17:45] <Gotango> yip
[17:45] <Kilos> it will show what packages you have installed already
[17:46] <Gotango> yes here are lots
[17:46] <Kilos> tick settings and preferences
[17:46] <Gotango> okay
[17:46] <Kilos> then files
[17:46] <Gotango> okay
[17:47] <Kilos> and tick leave all downloaded packages in the cache
[17:47] <Gotango> Its already ticked
[17:47] <Kilos> good thats how i did that one
[17:47] <Gotango> nice
[17:48] <Kilos> close it
[17:48] <Gotango> okay
[17:48] <Kilos> in the top window you can type the type of app you need
[17:48] <Kilos> and it will show whats available
[17:49] <Gotango> like what type app ?
[17:49] <Kilos> like mysql
[17:50] <Kilos> you will see what mysql is already installed and what else you can get
[17:50] <Gotango> There's no mysql in there
[17:50] <Kilos> but you will need to do that 20m update to see everything
[17:51] <Gotango> okay
[17:51] <Kilos> might be a bit less than 20m
[17:51] <Gotango> fan is blowing too hot again, eish :/
[17:51] <Kilos> too hot would shut pc down
[17:52] <Kilos> the harder the fan blows the more its cooling cpu and mobo stuff
[17:52] <Gotango> Yes i cant even put my hand near it burns
[17:52] <Kilos> you mean the air coming out is hot
[17:53] <Gotango> Thats not the way it is supposed to be
[17:53] <Kilos> what is hot the lappy or the air
[17:53] <Gotango> I expect this much cpu abuse from playing 3D games
[17:53] <Gotango> both
[17:54] <Kilos> wait lemme talk to my son a bit
[17:54] <Kilos> i never used a lappy
[17:54] <Gotango> okay
[17:55] <Kilos> he says heat is normal but gets worse if lappy is on a blanket or something soft
[17:56] <Kilos> also it could be dirty inside
[17:56] <Kilos> might need to be blown clean'
[17:57] <Kilos> where are all the lappy peeps with help here
[17:57] <Kilos> Squirm, ?
[17:57] <Gotango> i now but this is insane , i want settings that can switch to less resources being used by ubuntu
[17:57] <Gotango> Its uncomfortable
[17:58] <Gotango> They probably out at parties
[17:59] <Kilos> well you will need that update to get the top package so one can see whats running
[17:59] <Gotango> okay i will download it 
[17:59] <Kilos> also you can look in startup apps
[18:00] <Kilos> and turn off some you dont need
[18:00] <Kilos> dont forget that iso comes from a desktop
[18:00] <Gotango> NVIDIA X Server Settings are at startup applications
[18:01] <Gotango> remove it ?
[18:01] <Kilos> we will need more info and help here
[18:02] <Kilos> do you know what graphics is in there
[18:02] <Gotango> I got ATI graphics card not Nvidia
[18:03] <Kilos> then you should be safe doing sudo aptitude remove nvidia-settings
[18:03] <Squirm> Kilos
[18:03] <Kilos> Squirm, please help the man some im not a lappy person
[18:04] <Gotango> or just tick Remove button ?
[18:04] <Kilos> yes that too
[18:04] <Kilos> there should be more nvidia stuff installed
[18:04] <Kilos> in synaptic you can type in nvidia and it will show whats installed
[18:05] <Kilos> then right click it and uninstall i think it is
[18:05] <Gotango> The fan returns to slow gentle blow, but when i move a window its starts blowing like crazy hot
[18:05] <Squirm> you won't really be able to help that
[18:06] <Squirm> you just need to let as much air flow as you can
[18:06] <Kilos> well you might still find i have stuff installed that lappy doesnt need
[18:06] <Squirm> like.. maybe instead of resting it on the table, rest it on four blocks, one in each corner
[18:07] <Squirm> and you also get things like this
[18:07] <Squirm> http://www.groundswell.biz/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/laptop-cooling-pads-review4.jpg
[18:08] <Squirm> they can be usb powered, blows air onto the underside of your laptop
[18:08] <Gotango> hey Squirm. That sounds fair , but is'nt there a way to turn ubuntu to use less cpu
[18:08] <Kilos> Squirm, he cant browse muc with only 500m data a month
[18:08] <Kilos> oh i saw somewhere low cpu
[18:08] <Kilos> dont ask me where
[18:08] <Gotango> Cause it high cpu usage that cause the fan to blow insane speeds
[18:09] <Gotango> I mean at idle it should not be this hot
[18:09] <Squirm> check task manager?
[18:10] <Squirm> what's keeping your CPU running?
[18:10] <Gotango> I dunno , i cant check cpu usage 
[18:10] <Gotango> Dunno where much of anything is in ubuntu
[18:11] <Kilos> there is a cpu usage app
[18:11] <Gotango> Do you know that app Kilos
[18:11] <Kilos> looking
[18:12] <Gotango> okay
[18:12] <Kilos> press a windows key and check
[18:13] <Kilos> system monitor
[18:13] <Gotango> I got system monitor
[18:13] <Kilos> yay i havent
[18:14] <Kilos> what do you see
[18:15] <Gotango> both cores are at 15% , compared to windows 1% its not what i want
[18:15] <Kilos> look in synaptic if you have linuxinfo
[18:16] <Kilos> stop fussing man or ill send you a windows cd
[18:17] <Kilos> give peace a chance
[18:17] <Gotango> nothing about linux info
[18:17] <Kilos> you have to get a desktops iso to match your lappy 
[18:17] <Kilos> ok so that will come after sudo apt-get update
[18:18] <Gotango> I dunno man , i just wana turn off this laptop and give it away
[18:18] <Kilos> also did you look for nvidia packages installes
[18:19] <Kilos> no man
[18:19] <Gotango> this cpu is messing up everything
[18:19] <Kilos> no man
[18:20] <Gotango> yes there are a few in synaptic
[18:20] <Kilos> whew todays peeps are so impatient
[18:20] <Kilos> then right click remove
[18:21] <Gotango> You mean remove all nvidia stuff in synaptic
[18:22] <Kilos> nvidia-173 should be there
[18:22] <Kilos> maybe 173-updates
[18:22] <Kilos> remove them
[18:22] <Gotango> Theres more 
[18:23] <Gotango> nvidia-common
[18:23] <Gotango> nvidia-settings-304-updates
[18:23] <Gotango> nvidia-settings-304
[18:23] <Gotango> nvidia-settings-updates
[18:23] <Gotango> nvidia-settings
[18:24] <Gotango> nvidia-173
[18:24] <Kilos> remove the 304 and the settings and the settings updates
[18:24] <Kilos> i think all of them
[18:25] <Gotango> okay
[18:25] <Kilos> if screen dies you havent got any ati drivers going
[18:25] <Gotango> Nope
[18:26] <Gotango> Those are big i think more than 100mb
[18:27] <Kilos> there should be some basic ati stuff installed i think
[18:28] <Gotango> xserver-xorg-video-ati
[18:28] <Kilos> yeah leave that
[18:28] <Gotango> xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[18:28] <Gotango> radeontool
[18:28] <Kilos> leave that
[18:28] <Kilos> yes
[18:29] <Gotango> okay
[18:29] <Kilos> so thats keeping you going
[18:29] <Kilos> i only have nvidia graphics
[18:30] <Gotango> Still doesnt explain the enormous cpu usage
[18:31] <Gotango> I wish i had Xubuntu right about now
[18:31] <Kilos> you need clever peeps help here and need to get that top thing
[18:31] <Kilos> ai!
[18:31] <Gotango> These fancy unity effects ruin everything
[18:32] <Gotango> How do i disable the transparency
[18:32] <Gotango> or set it to none
[18:32] <Kilos> you can install mate in there for a light system but you will need lotsa data
[18:33] <Kilos> you have a settings tool on the left
[18:33] <Kilos> hover and look
[18:33] <Gotango> nah dont want mate
[18:33] <Kilos> like a gear and spanner
[18:33] <Kilos> system settings
[18:33] <Kilos> maybe thats where i saw low cpu
[18:34] <Gotango> okay will check
[18:35] <Kilos> ive seen some peeps complain about 90 or 100% cpu usage. you the frist one to complain about 15%
[18:37] <Gotango> Cause they got desktops with the tower out of burning touch
[18:37] <Kilos> lol
[18:37] <Gotango> I can almost cook an egg on this lappy now
[18:38] <Kilos> maybe its dirty inside or the heat sink on the cpu is full of dust
[18:38] <Kilos> or it has 2 fans and one is dead
[18:39] <Gotango> Nope, i expect it to work like windows , cool and calm 
[18:39] <Kilos> wow
[18:39] <Kilos> it will once sorted
[18:39] <Gotango> Besides i cant open this thing
[18:39] <Kilos> ya lappies are painful to open
[18:41] <Gotango> in system details it says . Graphics : Unknown
[18:41] <Kilos> type in top
[18:41] <Gotango> Where
[18:41] <Kilos> yes it will most likely have additional drivers if you want full graphics working
[18:42] <Kilos> in terminal
[18:42] <Gotango> okay
[18:42] <Kilos> dont forget you have more than one workspace'
[18:43] <Gotango> only got one now
[18:43] <Kilos> how many does it show, just the 4?
[18:43] <Kilos> right click remove all the libre office stuff from launcher
[18:43] <Kilos> or scroll down there
[18:43] <Kilos> should see 4 at least
[18:44] <Kilos> at the bottom
[18:44] <Gotango> yeah theres 4, but im used to minimising stuff
[18:47] <Kilos> did top show anything
[18:48] <Gotango> Gnome-system-mo , and Xorg are using 10% cpu each , the rest are 0%
[18:49] <Kilos> oso that system monitor is using 10% close it
[18:49] <Kilos> xorg is graphics
[18:50] <Gotango> how do i close gnome-system-mo ?
[18:50] <Kilos> oh is that not that thing you opened with the windows key
[18:52] <Gotango> Yes lol, its closed it , now Xorg is at 2%
[18:52] <Kilos> yay
[18:52] <Gotango> I'm a bit happy there :)
[18:53] <Kilos> yay
[18:53] <Gotango> But fan still going crazy
[18:53] <Gotango> Now its settling
[18:53] <Gotango> slowly
[18:53] <Kilos> you will find that with the correect ati drivers things get a bit more efficient
[18:54] <Gotango> now its at windows type idle speed
[18:54] <Kilos> and outside fan blowing onto lappy with help cool case
[18:54] <Gotango> okay so i guess its the graphics drivers that cause the most issues here
[18:55] <Kilos> thats what i think at the moment
[18:55] <Kilos> but they are all big data
[18:56] <Kilos> ubuntu will find the right drivers for the lappy when you got data to spare
[18:56] <Gotango> So i should look for ATI Radeon linux drivers for this lappy right
[18:56] <Kilos> you go to the launcher and type in additional
[18:56] <Gotango> If its worth it i will do it
[18:56] <Kilos> then it will look what the lappy needs
[18:57] <Kilos> you will first need to do sudo apt-get update
[18:57] <Gotango> Does it show the size
[18:57] <Gotango> I mean the size of the drivers when it found it
[18:59] <Gotango> Funny when i move a window slowly the cpu i calm , but when i move it fast the fan goes crazy
[18:59] <Kilos> i dont think so it shows what it finds and then downloads and installs if you tick install
[18:59] <Gotango> It must really be the graphics drivers
[18:59] <Kilos> how do you move a window
[19:00] <Gotango> I just grab the top bar of the window and move it out the way
[19:00] <Gotango> or where i wnt it
[19:00] <Kilos> lol
[19:01] <Kilos> i have xchat full screen on one workspace
[19:01] <Gotango> Why lol 
[19:01] <Kilos> evolution mail on another pidgin on another opera on another
[19:01] <Gotango> Why switch so many workspaces
[19:02] <Kilos> lekker then i dont have to maximised minimise move etc
[19:02] <Gotango> lol
[19:02] <Gotango> this lappy dont like that
[19:02] <Kilos> i have only one old eye to see things with
[19:02] <Gotango> the fan again
[19:02] <Kilos> it will i betcha
[19:03] <Kilos> dont forget you are running an iso matched to my desktop pc
[19:03] <Gotango> i hope so , when the correct drivers are in here
[19:03] <Gotango> lol i got a lazy eye
[19:03] <Kilos> but you have 900m of data you dont need to download
[19:04] <Gotango> yes thanks for that, i appritiate it man :0
[19:04] <Gotango> :)
[19:04] <Gotango> The rest is up to me
[19:04] <Kilos> over the 2 years 12.04 has been going i have downloaded 8.2g of packages
[19:05] <Kilos> and i save them all
[19:05] <Gotango> wow thats alot. I wont need any updates
[19:05] <Gotango> or dont want any
[19:05] <Kilos> cant do a clean install and full update upgrade and use about 30m download data
[19:06] <Kilos> you need that first update to see whats available
[19:06] <Kilos> upgrading is optional
[19:07] <Gotango> I or we, can do that tomorow , its almost your bedtime now :)
[19:07] <Kilos> to get mysql and stuff you have to do that first sudo apt-get update
[19:08] <Kilos> it doesnt update anything on the pc but updates what is available from the repos
[19:08] <Gotango> Thats good
[19:08] <Kilos> yes you need that to go on
[19:09] <Gotango> I can download that tomorow , will take about 30minutes with the network speed here
[19:09] <Kilos> cool
[19:10] <Gotango> if it aint more than 20mb
[19:10] <Kilos> shouldnt be
[19:10] <Kilos> might be a bit less
[19:10] <Gotango> nice
[19:11] <Gotango> I just want the tools that will get ubuntu to use less resources and background processes
[19:11] <Kilos> then you go visit someone with uncapped adsl and upgrade
[19:11] <Kilos> then that the additional for ati
[19:12] <Kilos> what else is running in startup apps that you dont need
[19:12] <Kilos> bluetooth
[19:13] <Kilos> no im thinking of wrong thing
[19:13] <Gotango> It was only Nvidia there
[19:13] <Kilos> ya there is something else that shows lots
[19:13] <Kilos> will dream about it
[19:13] <Gotango> I dont like the transparency effects here , cant it be disabled
[19:13] <Kilos> ok then im glad at least its working
[19:14] <Kilos> night all sleep tight
[19:14] <Kilos> must be some way to do everything
[19:14] <Kilos> but thats for clever peeps
[19:14] <Gotango> night Kilos thanks for the help :)
[19:14] <Kilos> or lotsa googling
[19:14] <Kilos> yw
[19:32] <magespawn> good evening
[20:12] <theblazehen> evening
[20:23] <magespawn> hi theblazehen 
[20:23] <theblazehen> hey magespawn 
[20:24] <magespawn> how are things?
[20:28] <theblazehen> good and you magespawn ?
[20:29] <magespawn> good ty, busy working on a long range wireless network
[20:30] <theblazehen> nice man :)
[20:33] <theblazehen> magespawn, how long range is it/
[20:34] <magespawn> ptp about 5kms
[20:34] <theblazehen> nice :)
[20:35] <magespawn> good experience, can be stressful at times though
[20:37] <theblazehen> yeah
[20:45] <magespawn> I am of to bed early start to the day tomorrow
[20:45] <magespawn> good noight
[20:45] <inetpro> good evening
[20:45] <inetpro> hi magespawn
[20:45] <magespawn> good night too
[20:45] <inetpro> good night
[20:45] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[20:45] <inetpro> :-)
[20:45] <magespawn> hah
[20:45] <magespawn> cheers
[22:12] <theblazehen> night guys