[00:30] <ochosi> hey Noskcaj 
[00:30] <Noskcaj> hey ochosi 
[00:31] <ochosi> just went through the notes and saw that powerman fixes are now in debian
[00:31] <ochosi> (meeting-notes i meant)
[00:31] <ochosi> does that mean all three fixes from suse?
[00:34] <Unit193> http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/branches/experimental/xfce4-power-manager/debian/changelog?view=markup nothing actually in Debian yet.
[00:35] <ochosi> :/
[00:38] <ochosi> well i'm optimistic that we'll get those fixes upstream
[00:38] <ochosi> but i'm not sure whether upstream will get a powerman-release in time for 14.04
[00:38] <bluesabre> ochosi, slickymaster, jjfrv8: (assuming I got your name pings right)... I'll be migrating my server to a new host this weekend, so there will probably be some downtime for my dokuwiki
[00:39] <ochosi> bluesabre: as long as you back everything up nicely, that's fine i guess ;)
[00:39] <bluesabre> that's the plan anyway :)
[00:39] <ochosi> good plan
[00:39] <ochosi> don't forget to back up the screenshots as well
[00:39] <slickymaster> let us know the new host afterwards
[00:40] <ochosi> slickymaster: i presume the domain will remain the same
[00:40] <bluesabre> I'm keeping my domain, so when it comes back up everything should be the same
[00:40] <ochosi> or do you wanna know the IP of the site?
[00:41] <slickymaster> no, I assume that the domain would change, also
[00:56] <Noskcaj> ochosi, You might want to check what fixes are there, you should probably talk to corsac about it. http://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/pkg-xfce/desktop/branches/experimental/xfce4-power-manager/
[02:30] <bluesabre> ali1234: thanks for the memory leak fix
[09:39] <slickymaster> morning all
[10:01] <elfy> o/
[10:04] <slickymaster> hi elfy. Good morning
[10:04] <elfy> good morning to you too :)
[10:14] <lderan> good morning :)
[10:14] <elfy> hi lderan 
[10:22] <lderan> oh elfy, i will be able to do a fair bit more work for you over the coming weeks \o/
[10:23] <elfy> well - it's not actually for me :p
[10:23] <elfy> but that's good :)
[10:23] <elfy> unless you've not got a job atm ...
[10:23] <lderan> well for the cause :P
[10:24] <elfy> :)
[10:24] <lderan> being turned into part time
[10:24] <elfy> getting somewhere with autopilot will be awesome 
[10:24] <elfy> oh that's rubbish :(
[11:21] <elfy> lderan: if you see something on the blueprint that has the wrong staus - change it :)
[11:21] <lderan> elfy: will do
[11:22] <elfy> that's all that task is :)
[11:23] <lderan> okay :)
[11:26] <elfy> lderan: also of course - if you want to do any of the tasks - just make sure to assign yourself so everyone knows 
[11:26] <elfy> even if I've got them assigned to me :)
[11:37] <lderan> :) will do
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> oh btw
[12:15] <pmjdebruijn> I asked about gnome-keyring a while back, as I wanted to disable the gpg part of gnome-keyring
[12:16] <pmjdebruijn> with a digging I see gnome-keyring is started by xfce4-session, which is disablable via preferences
[12:16] <pmjdebruijn> after which I enabled gnome's own gnome-keyring-secrets.desktop file
[12:16] <pmjdebruijn> now my gpg smartcard works nicely again :)
[12:19] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: cool, good to hear :)
[12:20] <ochosi> does that mean you can spend the free time you gained from that just now to write that simplistic screen-gamma tool? ;)
[12:22] <pmjdebruijn> haha unlikely
[12:22] <pmjdebruijn> sorry
[12:23] <pmjdebruijn> I will do a writeup about that though
[12:23] <pmjdebruijn> for other users to reference @gnome-keyring
[12:53] <ochosi> pmjdebruijn: sounds good, was mostly kidding ;)
[13:04] <pmjdebruijn> ochosi: guessed as much, thus the "haha" :)
[13:05] <ochosi> well for the unlikely case that you would have had time for that, it'd have been a nice suprise
[13:05] <ochosi> if you know someone else who'd be interested to write that, lemme know
[13:06] <ochosi> btw, the official submission period for xubuntu wallpapers ends on the 13th
[13:07] <ochosi> xnox: can
[13:08] <ochosi> xnox: can't remember for sure whether i asked you about this already, but this merge/upload would be really important for xubuntu (currently trusty live-sessions don't work because of this): https://code.launchpad.net/~unit193/xubuntu-default-settings/session-fix/+merge/198177
[14:48] <jjfrv8> knome, I added your "what's new" recommendations to the whiteboard
[15:55]  * slickymaster damns is internet connection
[17:54] <eric_the_idiot> slickymaster, the xfdesktop usage docs look good! Thanks for working on it
[17:55] <slickymaster> no problem eric_the_idiot. I've enjoyed working on it
[17:55] <slickymaster> is there anything else you'd like to be addressed?
[17:56] <eric_the_idiot> it looks like you covered it all
[17:59] <slickymaster> great, glad to ear it, eric_the_idiot 
[18:00] <slickymaster> ochosi: ^^^ looks like it's done, besides the multi monitor part that you said you'd do it
[18:14] <slickymaster> elfy or knome, any of you around
[18:15] <elfy> kinda
[18:16] <slickymaster> apparently something went wrong with bug 1262583 
[18:16] <slickymaster> the tracker is still showing "Display setting" instead of "Calendar window"
[18:17] <slickymaster> and I think it was some mixed up thing I've made with my MP, so I'll reopen the bug to correct it and later propose a new MP
[18:17] <slickymaster> what do you think?
[18:18] <elfy> the branch is all correct is it?
[18:18] <elfy> the main branch that is
[18:18] <slickymaster> no, the test in the branch is oddly wrong
[18:18] <slickymaster> I think, let me check
[18:19] <elfy> ok
[18:19] <elfy> I'm in and out of the room at the moment
[18:19] <slickymaster> elfy: the main branch is correct
[18:20] <slickymaster> did you update the branch when you merge my MP?
[18:20] <slickymaster> update the tracker^^
[18:22] <elfy> done
[18:22] <elfy> thought I did - perhaps I didn't
[18:22] <slickymaster> elfy: yeah, the tracker is updated and showing the correct test
[18:23] <slickymaster> thanks
[18:24] <elfy> I'll be looking over the xubuntu application testcases this weekend before I do a call for those to be tested next week
[18:25] <brainwash> eric_the_idiot: hey, were you able to reproduce the xfdesktop 4.11 theme issue (race condition after login) or find some explanation for this scenario? if no, should I try to debug it somehow?
[18:25] <slickymaster> elfy: the numbers of tests seem to raise a bit
[18:27] <elfy> reported do you mean?
[18:27] <slickymaster> yes
[18:27] <elfy> yep - call did make some difference :)
[18:28] <elfy> they might be getting the message now all the people in -testers get spammed by me too :p
[18:28] <slickymaster> :)
[18:28] <elfy> biab - just doing a tortilla :p
[18:28] <slickymaster> jjfrv8: has done quite a few
[18:32] <slickymaster> I'm off ->
[19:43] <jarnos> brainwash, is that VIRTUAL1 display visible in xrandr output somehow connected to light-locker?
[19:47] <brainwash> jarnos: why would you think so?
[19:48] <jarnos> brainwash, well you told it uses another VT or something..
[19:48] <brainwash> I assume it's related to a multi monitor setup
[19:48] <brainwash> virtual1 like in virtual screen
[19:48] <jarnos> brainwash, but I have not seen it before even if I have haf multi monitor setup.
[19:49] <brainwash> you were able to switch to another vt before you have installed light-locker
[19:50] <brainwash> light-locker is just a daemon to trigger lightdm actions
[19:52] <brainwash> well, try #xorg
[19:55] <brainwash> jarnos: were you able to resolve the screen blanking issue?
[19:56] <jarnos> brainwash, I was inspecting it
[20:00] <brainwash> jarnos: but you haven't created a bug report yet, or?
[20:00] <jarnos> brainwash, yes
[20:01] <brainwash> might be related to your graphics card + driver
[20:02] <brainwash> so a report could help to keep track of this problem and resolve it sooner
[20:03] <elfy> sergio-br2: by the way - bug 1267742 
[20:04] <brainwash> ^ that's a security issue?
[20:05] <brainwash> oh, I should have read the comments first
[20:05] <sergio-br2> elfy, i got this with kernel 3.13
[20:05] <sergio-br2> but it seems it is less than with 3.12. Dunno
[20:05] <elfy> sergio-br2: yes - same with both here
[20:06] <elfy> brainwash: yep - security as far as I'm concerned - and probably those people who's details on the forum I have complete access too 
[20:07] <sergio-br2> it's funny to see Windows things in xubuntu login screen
[20:07] <brainwash> strange, how does the previous screen content survive a restart.. :D
[20:07] <sergio-br2> so it's a security issue :D
[20:09] <brainwash> mmh, the package maintainer might complain about the lack of log files
[20:11] <jarnos> brainwash, have you tried the greeter in multi monitor setup?
[20:11] <brainwash> are other greeters or gdm affected too?
[20:11] <brainwash> jarnos: no
[20:12] <elfy> sergio-br2: it is if I have someone's forum control panel open and am looking at their e-mail/infraction record and I happen to restart and then wander off - the login screen is left with all that information sitting there
[20:13] <sergio-br2> or if you was accessing your bank...
[20:14] <brainwash> so it's clearly related to kernel 3.13?
[20:14] <sergio-br2> not exactly
[20:14] <elfy> brainwash: no - I got it with the previous as well 
[20:14] <sergio-br2> yeah, here too
[20:15] <brainwash> during the whole trusty dev cycle?
[20:15] <elfy> brainwash: "mmh, the package maintainer" you talking about me there? 
[20:15] <elfy> yep - whole cycle - I think that bluesabre has some idea of a hack to deal with it - but not seen him since
[20:16] <brainwash> package maintainer is the "Ubuntu X-SWAT" team
[20:17] <elfy> are you talking about my bug?
[20:17] <brainwash> would be interesting to know, if it only happens with lightdm-gtk-greeter
[20:17] <brainwash> yes
[20:17] <elfy> I'll probably get that penalvach telling me to go sort stuff out with gedit etc
[20:17] <brainwash> see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[20:17] <elfy> he'll get a short sharp shock 
[20:17] <brainwash> this name looks familiar
[20:18] <elfy> probably becasue I was complaining about it the other evening ;)
[20:18] <brainwash> maybe this too
[20:18] <brainwash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/1098334/comments/184
[20:19] <brainwash> :)
[20:19] <brainwash> is he the new sheriff in launchpad town?
[20:21] <elfy> no idea 
[20:22] <elfy> funny thing is - once I'm booted I get no issues with either nouveau or nvidia - it is just restarts and boot
[20:23] <elfy> come to think of it - I got a similar thing when we were looking at the xmir thing
[20:23] <elfy> so current state of play here is - use nouveau and get this issue or install nvidia and have to fiddle about to get the machine to boot properly
[20:24] <elfy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-331/+bug/1267442
[20:24] <brainwash> you didn't test any other login greeter yet, right?
[20:24] <elfy> being the other bug I reported 
[20:24] <elfy> nope
[20:25] <brainwash> you could test it with unity-greeter, but make sure that you don't install any of the recommended packages
[20:26] <brainwash> otherwise it will pull a dozen of extra packages
[20:26] <elfy> :)
[20:27] <elfy> command to set the greeter option ? can't remember it of the top of my head
[20:30] <brainwash> /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf
[20:30] <elfy> or edit lightdm conf 
[20:30] <elfy> yea
[20:33] <elfy> nothing amiss that time - I'll run with it for a day or so - or until it happens
[20:33] <elfy> brainwash: ^^
[20:34] <brainwash> ok :)
[20:35] <elfy> so - at least if we know it's not every greeter we have half a chance with it 
[20:41] <knome> jjfrv8, you around?
[20:46] <knome> elfy, you around?
[20:48] <elfy> yep
[20:48] <elfy> what's up?
[20:48] <knome> elfy, can you confirm if you still have the bug in the staging website?
[20:48] <knome> whether we use the navigation buttons, i'd like to fix that bug if possible
[20:49] <knome> elfy, can you also confirm me which version of firefox you are using
[20:49] <elfy> knome: ff 26 - which bug do you mean? 
[20:50] <knome> the one with the misplaced nav buttons for the slider
[20:50] <knome> actually, the slider itself looked like it was misplaced...
[20:50] <elfy> yep - they aren't lining up if that's what you mean
[20:51] <knome> hmm, right.
[20:51] <knome> let me poke at it and get back to you soonish
[20:51] <knome> i'm actually somewhat sure what it is...
[20:51] <elfy> ok - I'm about for a while tonight - had a sleep about a couple of hours ago lol
[20:52] <knome> ok, i'll try to be quick ;)
[20:52] <elfy> no rush :)
[20:52] <elfy> I still wonder if we really need them though
[20:52] <knome> no, but i want to fix it
[20:52] <knome> if we later decide we want them
[20:52] <elfy> yep - understand :)
[20:53] <knome> is it fixed now?
[20:53] <knome> (boo for not being able to reproduce)
[20:53] <elfy> nope 
[20:53] <elfy> hangon - I'll -safe-mode f/fox
[20:53] <knome> i wonder if you are forcing the use of some fonts
[20:54] <elfy> possible
[20:54] <knome> because i'm thinking that might be the culprit
[20:55] <knome> or some font sizes...
[20:55] <elfy> ok - looks right in chromium
[20:55] <knome> yeah..
[20:55] <knome> it's definitely a browser/setting-specific issue
[20:56] <elfy> I set fonts to ubuntu and in advanced it's serif/ubuntu/ubuntu/ubuntu mono with allow pages to choose enabled
[20:57] <knome> aha
[20:57] <elfy> I'll remember that if you ask me to look at things again - I'd hate to be wasting your time and it's only me seeing it :)
[20:57] <knome> well no, it should be fine for you as well
[20:57] <knome> there *are* ways to fix that
[20:57] <knome> if i just knew what it is :P
[20:57] <elfy> LOL
[20:57] <knome> font sizes? 16?
[20:57] <knome> and minimum font size?
[20:58] <elfy> font sizes are 12 and on advanced page 12 for serif/10 for monospace and minimum is 12
[20:58] <knome> mhm
[20:59] <elfy> right so setting the default to 16 the nav button now drops right down inside the screenshot 
[20:59] <knome> mhm
[20:59] <knome> i'll look at that
[21:00] <knome> mhm
[21:00] <elfy> odd - set it to 12 again and reloaded the page
[21:00] <knome> it should be fixed now for any value
[21:01] <elfy> the top of the nav button is nowmore or less level with the bottom of the top panel
[21:01] <knome> thanks for debugging :)
[21:01] <knome> huh?
[21:01] <knome> ctrl+shift+R
[21:01] <elfy> is that what you're aiming for ?^^
[21:01] <knome> i just fixed it for me
[21:01] <knome> no...
[21:01] <knome> it should be on top of the shot
[21:01] <knome> let me send a screenie
[21:01] <elfy> ok - yep - just above 
[21:02] <elfy> no - it's looking like you describe ^^
[21:02] <knome> okay, good
[21:02] <knome> as it should :)
[21:02] <knome> now we can go and disable those...
[21:02] <elfy> still don't like the straight edges though :p
[21:03] <knome> like matti nykänen said:
[21:03] <knome> elämä on laiffii
[21:03] <knome> "life is life"
[21:03] <elfy> yep :)
[21:03] <knome> i'm sure won't all ever agree on single details if we start arguing
[21:03] <elfy> I use 'such is life' with regularity :)
[21:03] <knome> *we
[21:03] <knome> yeah, but that's different ;)
[21:03] <knome> than nykänen's quote...
[21:04] <elfy> indeed - if we all agreed on stuff all the time - it would be really boring
[21:07] <lderan> that it would be 
[21:08] <elfy> hi lderan 
[21:08] <lderan> hello :)
[21:10] <elfy> hi xequence 
[21:10] <elfy> I keep trying to ze<tab> ... 
[21:11] <knome> heh
[21:14] <elfy> oic why now 
[21:15] <elfy> one of each on the forum