[00:00] <holstein> simplisity: there is a mint deban edition and one based on ubuntu.. i dont konw which you tried
[00:01] <simplisity> holstein, just the latest Mint Petra XFCE... i just read on the forums that all xfce editions are now based on debian
[00:02] <simplisity> anyhow, i still like Mint-Cinnamon a lot... just not so much luck with the xfce
[00:02] <holstein> simplisity: they have support channels
[00:02] <holstein> !mint
[00:02] <ubottu> Linux Mint is not a supported derivative of Ubuntu. Please seek support in #linuxmint-help on irc.spotchat.org
[00:02] <holstein> otherwise, we can go to the ot channel.. i see nothing above that makes me think anything is relatd to an issue with any specific distro.. more likely kernel support for your device
[00:03] <simplisity> ok yeah that could be true
[00:49] <aurum> I installed Xubuntu 12.04.03 and it said to reboot. I rebooted and all I get is a purple screen with a white ubuntu and 5 orange dots. No mouse pointer or response from the keyboard. I selected log me in automatically.
[00:50] <holstein> !tty | aurum this is what i would try
[00:50] <ubottu> aurum this is what i would try: To get to the TTY terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution
[00:56] <aurum> Nothing, I tried, ctrl + alt + F1 + add F6 and also ctrl+alt+F1 then ctrl+alt+F6. Also, ctrl+alt+F1 then F2 then F3 the F4 then F5 then F6. I also tried "!tty |". Ok so you now know it's the first time I tried Linux :-)
[00:58] <holstein> !nomodeset | aurum
[00:58] <ubottu> aurum: A common kernel (boot)parameter is nomodeset, which is needed for some graphic cards that otherwise boot into a black screen or show corrupted splash screen. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1613132 on how to use this parameter
[00:58] <holstein> aurum: did you get to a live desktop from the installer?
[00:59] <aurum> I installed from a usb drive using Unetbootin. I had a desktop somewhere along the line. BTW, I have 5 video cards plugged in, maybe I should unplug 4 of them.
[01:00] <aurum> Do I type? explanation mark nomodeset space pipe
[01:00] <holstein> aurum: no.. nomodeset is an option you can run
[01:01] <holstein> aurum: i would consider simplyfiying your configuration for a while
[01:02] <aurum> Ok, I'll disconnect 4 cards. Back in a sec
[01:04] <aurum> Just like magic!!! Now I've got a desktop with just one video card :-)  Now to see if I can install AMD drivers.
[01:06] <holstein> !amd | aurum
[01:07] <holstein> !ati | aurum
[01:07] <ubottu> aurum: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[01:25] <Noskcaj> holstein, We should  get that factoid updated, since ati as a brand has been gone for 4 years
[01:25] <aurum> It wants to install updates but it says it failed to load package. I tried firefox put cannot get any web page. It looks like my wired connection to my ethernet is right.
[01:32] <holstein> aurum: what are you trying to do?
[01:33] <aurum> The desktop popped up Update Manager with 216 updates (231.6 MB) it wants to install.
[01:34] <aurum> I looked for the linux pc from my win7 pcs and they do not see it???
[01:34] <holstein> aurum: ok.. do you want to update the system?
[01:34] <holstein> aurum: see what?
[01:34] <Noskcaj> aurum, windows can't see normal linux partitions, but linux can see window
[01:34] <aurum> I thought it was needed. I do need to  DL a driver: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous/detail?os=Linux%20x86_64&rev=12.8
[01:35] <holstein> aurum: for what?
[01:35] <aurum> Does x86_64 signify an Intel CPU?
[01:35] <aurum> Or just 8086 architecture
[01:36] <aurum> Catalyst 12.8 drivers for my Radeon HD 5970 video cards.
[01:36] <Noskcaj> aurum, If the cpu is made by intel, it's intel. x86_64 means it's for 64-bit linux
[01:36] <GridCube> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[01:37] <GridCube> x86-64 (also known as x64, x86_64 and amd64) is the 64-bit version of the x86 instruction set.
[01:37] <holstein> but the driver is in the repos as well.. you dont need to download it from the site
[01:38] <holstein> aurum: i suggest closing the web brwoser, and finishing the upgrades, and rebooting.. then, you can refer to the link i linked earlier
[01:38] <holstein> !ati
[01:38] <ubottu> For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[01:38] <aurum> the repos??? It offered me a couple of proprietary drivers sans names.
[01:38] <holstein> aurum: it?
[01:39] <aurum> This is day one for me, I assume you want me to type " !ati " somewhere, but where?
[01:39] <holstein> aurum: what do you need the proprietary driver for?
[01:39] <aurum> it be Xbuntu
[01:40] <holstein> aurum: no.. !ati asks the bot to give the link it gave.. to the information on installing the driver you may or may not need
[01:40] <holstein> aurum: why are you installing the proprietary driver? is something missing?
[01:40] <holstein> aurum: have you applied all the upgrades?
[01:41] <holstein> this is the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[01:41] <aurum> No, the update manager said "Failed to download package files"
[01:41] <holstein> aurum: then, reload it and try again
[01:42] <holstein> aurum: after closing the browser.. if it fails again, let me konw and we wil use the terminal
[01:42] <aurum> I've tried a few times by closing Update Manager and re-opening it. I also rebooted.
[01:43] <holstein> aurum: close everything.. open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update" withouth any ""'s.. run that and share error messages
[01:46] <holstein> aurum: and? you ready for the next step?.. anyways, when you are, assuming you have no errors use the command "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"..
[01:51] <aurum> holstein, I can't get Update Manager to run. I also cannot get firefox to go any web page. It says i have a wired connection
[01:51] <holstein> aurum: ok
[01:51] <holstein> aurum: close *everything* .. the update manager.. the web browser. anything else you may have open
[01:52] <aurum> everything's closed but the desktop
[01:52] <holstein> aurum: open *only* a terminal.. and type/copy/paste the following without any quotation marks.. "sudo apt-get update" then, run that by pressing the enter key, and let me konw if there are any error mesages
[01:53] <holstein> the next step, if no errors is "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:59] <aurum> Took me a while to find the Terminal. sudo apt-get update gave me the same list of "cannot resolve http://..."
[01:59] <holstein> aurum: sounds like you have connectivity issues
[01:59] <holstein> aurum: you should try and reboot if you think eveything is OK on the network
[02:02] <aurum> I'm at a loss, the other 3 win7 PCs on the same switch just plug in and auto discover the network. How do I discover the network in linux? The network page says I'm at 192.168.10.103 all my other PCs are at 192.168.1.xx
[02:02] <aurum> 192.168.10.1 is a wireless router plugged into the switch. I'll try unplugging it.
[02:05] <aurum> DLing!!! Unplugging the wireless router from the switch and restarting Ubuntu and it was assigned to 192.168.1.9, right where it should be.
[02:06] <aurum> It's now applying changes, looks like it'll take a while.
[02:06] <aurum> holstein, thanks for your patience :-)
[02:37] <blubaustin> hello
[02:38] <blubaustin> I got doom 3 installed on my xubuntu 13.10, but I am not getting any sound. Any ideas?
[02:52] <holstein> aurum: glad you got it worked out
[03:47] <blubaustin> alright I'll try again.
[03:47] <blubaustin> I have doom 3 native to linux, and I'm not getting any sound
[03:48] <blubaustin> I believe it has to do with, it uses OSS instead of alsa, as of 12.04 I think they removed OSS
[03:48] <blubaustin> out of the kernel, any ideas
[04:43] <fibz_> install oss orr the swiss army knife of sound?
[09:21] <nsommerby> hello
[09:30] <nsommerby> Anyone here good with audio issues?
[09:30] <elfy> nsommerby: it really is best just to ask the question - then if anyone can answer you they will
[09:31] <nsommerby> Well, the issue I'm having is that my media players (VLC, Spotify) aren't producing any sounds, though everything else is working just fine.  How do I get the media players to work again?
[09:36] <well_laid_lawn> !sound
[09:36] <ubottu> If you're having problems with sound, click the Volume applet, then Sound Preferences, and check your Volume, Hardware, Input, and Output settings.  If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/DmixPlugin - For playing audio files,  see !players and !mp3.
[09:40] <nsommerby> As far as I know, the settings are fine.  Spotify was even working just fine only a couple of weeks ago, and I haven't gone in and changed any of the audio settings.
[09:42] <nsommerby> and it plays system sounds as well as internet videos (IE Youtube) normally.  It's just the media programs themselves that are having the issue.
[12:30] <Prickelttest_196> If I want to learn to use Xubuntu, can I rely on the Ubuntu documentation?
[12:30] <knome> Prickelttest_196, try the xubuntu documentation first
[12:30] <knome> Prickelttest_196, then refer to ubuntu documentation to fill in the blanks
[12:30] <slickymaster> Prickelttest_196: you have the Xubuntu official documentation available at http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[12:31] <knome> or the section "help" in the applications menu
[12:38] <Prickelttest_196> thanks guys!
[12:50] <xubuntu768> hi, i recently installed KXStudio alongside Xubuntu....now when i turn the computer on i have KXStudio in the boot menu and what i assume are 3 different versions of Xubuntu, or 3 different versions of the kernel. 3.11.0-15-generic, 3.11.0-14-generic and 3.11.0-12-generic. Do i need all of them?
[12:51] <cfhowlett> xubuntu768, I don't recall that KX studio is using a custom kernel so I'd say can probably safely kill some of the older kernels.  But ... y u no install ubuntustudio?
[12:53] <xubuntu768> i have ubuntustudio on my other computer, was just testing KX to see what it was like :)
[12:53] <cfhowlett> understood
[12:54] <xubuntu768> KX uses 3.8.0-32-lowlatency apparently
[12:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu768, suggest you keep it.
[12:56] <xubuntu768> will do thanks :) was just surprised first time i saw the boot menu.....it was a mess lol
[13:45] <mio6> Good afternoon, I have some serious issue with chromium-browser. Any page I try to visit (excluding localhost pages) returns Aw Snap issue.
[13:46] <mio6> I've tried all the solutions offered online, that is removing my user profile, disabling all extensions and I've even disabled all plugins. Am I the first to encounter this issue?
[13:47] <Guest493> create a new user in Xubuntu and try chromium from there
[13:48] <Guest493> also free some RAM memory
[13:48] <mio6> care to explain how that may help?
[13:48] <mio6> I also have no ram issue :-(
[13:53] <Guest493> that would guarantee it's not fault of other Chromium's dotfiles in your current user account
[13:54] <mio6> that won't lead me to finding the issue though, and it would be somewhat troubling making a new user here now. thanks for the suggestion however
[14:00] <mio6> ok error exists even for other users
[14:03] <Guest493> I would ''apt-get --purge remove chromium-browser'' and then reinstall it
[14:24] <mio6> still no help with that. I have to leave now, so I submitted a bug for this package
[14:44] <delt> hello
[14:45] <delt> trying to install latest rosegarden... what should QTDIR be set to?
[14:54] <delt> oh, seems like i need to install qt4-dev-tools
[16:23] <horrow> hey everybody i want to ask why when i start my FIREFOX LAUNCHER xubuntu relogs my pc account? and not start?
[16:34] <john_rambo> suggest me a gui backup tool capable of doing incremental backups to usb drive
[16:37] <Guest493> Grsync?
[16:38] <Guest493> john_rambo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync#Solutions_using_rsync
[16:38] <therazr> Hi what version of xubuntu do you recommend me? 12.04 or 13.10? Thanks
[16:39] <Guest493> john_rambo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2596/comparison-of-backup-tools
[16:40] <Guest493> therazr: if you do not mind reinstalling (or upgrading + fixing some possible little bugs) every 6 months, and/or have the need for recent versions of programs: 13.10
[16:41] <Guest493> Otherwise, 12.04 which is supported for 3 years
[16:41] <Guest493> Also be aware that 14.04 will be the next Long Term Support.
[16:41] <therazr> Guest493: Thanks :). Which do u use by the way?
[16:41] <Guest493> I use 12.04 for my parents and 13.10 mysef
[16:41] <therazr> is it safe to upgrade to 14.04 once it is out?
[16:44] <Guest493> therazr: it's supported. Upgrades to the subsequent version are supported.
[16:44] <Guest493> Upgrades from LTS to LTS are also supported (e.g. 12.04 -> 14.04).
[16:45] <therazr> Ok thanks :) I'll go with 13.10 since next one is an LTS
[16:46] <Guest493> therazr: let me point you to the 13.10 Release Notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[16:47] <Guest493> 12.04 --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu#Known_Problems
[16:47] <therazr> Guest493: Anything special I should care about?
[16:49] <Guest493> the known issues/problems.
[16:49] <Guest493> that's more something you care adfter installation, I just wanted to give you the link in advance for future reference
[16:52] <therazr> Guest493: thanks man, I'm downloading it now
[16:53] <Orioa|2> does anyone know this..i have edited the lightdm-gtk.conf to use a wallpaper but it does not change
[16:54] <Orioa|2> ive also tried changing it with ubuntu tweak but nothing happens
[16:54] <holstein> Orioa|2: did you try tweak first? does tweak support the version you are using?
[16:55] <Orioa|2> yeah ive tried everything i could think of as well as googling it
[16:56] <holstein> Orioa|2: im loosely suggesting, something you may have tried could be breaking something
[16:57] <Orioa|2> maybe
[16:57] <Orioa|2> dunno what else i can do
[16:57] <holstein> Orioa|2: im the kind of guy who will go and rename the file, and leave the config alone
[16:58] <Orioa|2> yeah didn't think of doing that but also didn't think i would of broken it lol
[17:04] <holstein> !ubuntutweak
[17:04] <ubottu> Ubuntu Tweak is a tool that automates some things; however, it is potentially dangerous, and an informal review of its code is pending. Most of the things it does can be done by the use of other tools. Please don't ask for or provide support for it in Ubuntu support channels.
[17:04] <holstein> Orioa|2: im not sure that you are having an issue becuase of using tweak.. i just know its a "red flag"
[17:05] <Orioa|2> k ty found simply lightdm manager
[17:18] <johny_> hello sir
[17:28] <xubuntu339> Good morning, I have a somewhat difficult question to spring on you all, Is it possible to dual boot windows 8 and xubuntu? I got a new computer this Christmas and to my horror it had windows 8 installed, consequently I now wish to install linux of some description alongside windows 8, Is it possible? If so, is it particularly difficult?
[17:28] <holstein> !dualboot
[17:28] <ubottu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[17:28] <holstein> !uefi | xubuntu339 also relevant
[17:28] <ubottu> xubuntu339 also relevant: UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[17:29] <timbermaniac> Does anybody know what's going on with Mir in the future, since Intel doesn't seem as though they'll be supporting it?
[17:29] <holstein> !mir
[17:29] <ubottu> Mir is the next-generation display server currently under development by Canonical and Ubuntu. It's slated for inclusion in Ubuntu 14.04. For more information on it, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mir/Spec . For code, see https://launchpad.net/mir
[17:29] <holstein> though, i think it has been moved to later
[17:30] <xubuntu339> Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated.
[17:33] <timbermaniac> holstein: From the wiki page, it doesn't say anything about Intel - only mentions closed-source driver vendors. I hope Mir will simply be an option and we can continue to use X when it's released.
[17:35] <holstein> timbermaniac: AFAIK, there will be xmir or whatever emulation.. and, potentially, that emulation layer may not cause a performance hit at all, if the underlying tech changes
[17:36] <timbermaniac> holstein: "We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream."
[17:37] <holstein> timbermaniac: but, X apps will work.. im not an mir dev though.. no doubt, things are changing.. im sure applications will run somehow
[17:39] <timbermaniac> holstein: I'm not an expert on graphics by any means. I'm only concerned if I will have to move away from Xubuntu in the future to something like the Fedora Xfce spin, due to Mir
[17:40] <holstein> timbermaniac: you never "have to" do anything.. im sure applications will run, and you can choose to run what you like
[17:40] <holstein> timbermaniac: its going to be a long migration with lots of "legacy" support issues
[17:41] <Itsame> is there a way to stop my username from appearing in the top panel?
[17:42] <Itsame> without removing that menu completely
[17:43] <timbermaniac> Itsame: I believe that's the 'full name' and not actually the username
[17:44] <Itsame> oh yes, could be too
[17:44] <Itsame> I don't want my name there as I use my laptop in public places
[17:45] <Guest493> right-click the panel >> select Remove, or select Panel >> Panel Preferences >> the Items tab
[17:45] <holstein> Guest493: i believe Itsame wants to keep the panel item. just with a blank name space
[17:46] <holstein> Itsame: i believe timbermaniac is implying you could change the users full name to null
[17:46] <Itsame> yes or just an icon
[17:46] <Guest493> choose Properties and set the Appearance field to Action Buttons
[17:47] <Itsame> ah yes, it's an improvement. however, now I got many icons instead of one
[17:47] <timbermaniac> That's a good solution for when you're in public places.
[17:47] <Guest493> or you could change the information in /etc/passwd (5th field) but I've not tested that
[17:47] <timbermaniac> Could always just change your username.
[17:47] <Guest493> There must be a way to do it with a command or a gui configuration panel, though.
[17:49] <Guest493> Ok, I could do it in this way: open Settings manager >> Users and Groups >> select your user >> click Change next to your name at the top
[17:52] <Guest493> Itsame: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[17:55] <Itsame> Thanks for the help :)
[19:30] <xubuntu726> how long xubuntu 12.04 LTS has support?
[19:31] <xubuntu726> ?
[19:32] <xubuntu439> Hi all
[19:33] <xubuntu439> my keyboard and mouse crash when i'm trying to install. Any ideas?
[19:34] <xubuntu439> I've tried changing the bios settings]
[19:35] <TheSheep> what do you mean that your keyboard crashes? you drop it on the floor?
[19:35] <TheSheep> !lts | xubuntu439
[19:35] <ubottu> xubuntu439: LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Xubuntu will be supported for 3 years. The current LTS version is !Precise (Precise Pangolin 12.04)
[19:35] <TheSheep> xubuntu439: sorry, wrong nick
[19:36] <xubuntu439> sorry, freezes I menat
[19:36] <xubuntu439> meant*
[19:37] <xubuntu387> New here; desperately seeking for ways to connect my Huawei T-Mobile Inet to XUbuntu 12.04. Is it possible >?
[19:38] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: no idea, have you tried googling it?
[19:39] <xubuntu387> No
[19:39] <xubuntu387> what do you mean "googling"
[19:39] <xubuntu387> ?
[19:39] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: searching for it using google
[19:40] <xubuntu387> Allrighties, I'll try asking the inet, mostly use Yahoo for that
[19:41] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: you might also try searching the forums
[19:41] <xubuntu387> thanks
[19:41] <TheSheep> !forum | xubuntu387
[19:41] <ubottu> xubuntu387: The Ubuntu forums can be found at http://www.ubuntuforums.org. Kubuntu Forums are found at http://www.kubuntuforums.net. There is also a channel on freenode IRC #ubuntuforums
[19:41] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: by the way, if it works with ubuntu, it should work with xubuntu
[19:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu439: there isn't much information we can use
[19:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu439: any error messages? anything in the logs?
[19:43] <xubuntu439> I'm new to linux, but if I can't install then would it produce logs? And where?
[19:43] <xubuntu387> The T-Mobile inet sticks use Windows and/or Mac OS10.4 and so on.
[19:44] <xubuntu387> As far as I know none are developed for linux in NL or Eu yet...
[19:44] <xubuntu387> So it's like trying to install Win-app in Linux
[19:45] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: I'm sure there are people who tried to make it work, and some of them might have written about it
[19:45] <xubuntu387> In Xubuntu it fails as soon as autoexec setup started
[19:45] <xubuntu387> I've heard of it working in regular Ubuntu earlier
[19:46] <koegs> you can check the usb-id with "lsusb" and then see if somebody tried to use that in ubuntu
[19:46] <xubuntu387> It's my internet connection
[19:47] <xubuntu387> These thing apparently come China and firmwares are pre-developed for several OS's
[19:48] <koegs> what is the exact name and usb-id? you might have more look trying with the exact name + ubuntu or the usb-id + ubuntu
[19:48] <xubuntu387> have to go now, thank you for yr attention
[19:48] <xubuntu387> quit
[19:48] <xubuntu387> ex
[19:52] <xubuntu439> I got it working, just changed more settings then tried stuff in different usb ports
[20:41] <xubuntu576> hi
[20:41] <xubuntu576> hi
[21:20] <elfy> Orioa: earlier you were here trying to sort out a login screen image? did you get that sorted
[21:21] <elfy> ".i have edited the lightdm-gtk.conf to use a wallpaper but it does not change"
[21:21] <elfy> did you try lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[21:35] <DF3D2> lubuntu uses xfce power manager right?
[21:35] <knome> this is the xubuntu support channel, i would ask in #lubuntu
[21:35] <DF3D2> jesus people don't read
[21:36] <knome> i did; you asked about lubuntu
[21:36] <DF3D2> i'm using the xfce power manager that is bundled with lubuntu
[21:36] <knome> no, you asked whether lubuntu uses that
[21:36] <DF3D2> right im asking about an xfce app
[21:37] <DF3D2> it seems to ignore the do nothing on laptop lid close setting
[21:38] <brainwash> DF3D2: bug 1222021
[21:38] <ubottu> bug 1222021 in xfce4-power-manager (Ubuntu) "xfce4-power-manager does not inhibit systemd from handling buttons and lid events" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1222021
[21:40] <DF3D2> brainwash, thanks
[21:40] <DF3D2> I set the triage setting someone suggested
[21:56] <xubuntu158> hi, is anybody can help me about cron ?
[23:05] <soman> Where can I see changelogs for ubuntu? I want to know changes between 12.04 and 12.04.3 for example
[23:07] <TheSheep> soman: it's all on launchpad.net
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