[00:00] <holstein> simplisity: there is a mint deban edition and one based on ubuntu.. i dont konw which you tried
[00:01] <simplisity> holstein, just the latest Mint Petra XFCE... i just read on the forums that all xfce editions are now based on debian
[00:02] <simplisity> anyhow, i still like Mint-Cinnamon a lot... just not so much luck with the xfce
[00:02] <holstein> simplisity: they have support channels
[00:02] <holstein> !mint
[00:02] <holstein> otherwise, we can go to the ot channel.. i see nothing above that makes me think anything is relatd to an issue with any specific distro.. more likely kernel support for your device
[00:03] <simplisity> ok yeah that could be true
[00:49] <aurum> I installed Xubuntu 12.04.03 and it said to reboot. I rebooted and all I get is a purple screen with a white ubuntu and 5 orange dots. No mouse pointer or response from the keyboard. I selected log me in automatically.
[00:50] <holstein> !tty | aurum this is what i would try
[00:56] <aurum> Nothing, I tried, ctrl + alt + F1 + add F6 and also ctrl+alt+F1 then ctrl+alt+F6. Also, ctrl+alt+F1 then F2 then F3 the F4 then F5 then F6. I also tried "!tty |". Ok so you now know it's the first time I tried Linux :-)
[00:58] <holstein> !nomodeset | aurum
[00:58] <holstein> aurum: did you get to a live desktop from the installer?
[00:59] <aurum> I installed from a usb drive using Unetbootin. I had a desktop somewhere along the line. BTW, I have 5 video cards plugged in, maybe I should unplug 4 of them.
[01:00] <aurum> Do I type? explanation mark nomodeset space pipe
[01:00] <holstein> aurum: no.. nomodeset is an option you can run
[01:01] <holstein> aurum: i would consider simplyfiying your configuration for a while
[01:02] <aurum> Ok, I'll disconnect 4 cards. Back in a sec
[01:04] <aurum> Just like magic!!! Now I've got a desktop with just one video card :-)  Now to see if I can install AMD drivers.
[01:06] <holstein> !amd | aurum
[01:07] <holstein> !ati | aurum
[01:25] <Noskcaj> holstein, We should  get that factoid updated, since ati as a brand has been gone for 4 years
[01:25] <aurum> It wants to install updates but it says it failed to load package. I tried firefox put cannot get any web page. It looks like my wired connection to my ethernet is right.
[01:32] <holstein> aurum: what are you trying to do?
[01:33] <aurum> The desktop popped up Update Manager with 216 updates (231.6 MB) it wants to install.
[01:34] <aurum> I looked for the linux pc from my win7 pcs and they do not see it???
[01:34] <holstein> aurum: ok.. do you want to update the system?
[01:34] <holstein> aurum: see what?
[01:34] <Noskcaj> aurum, windows can't see normal linux partitions, but linux can see window
[01:34] <aurum> I thought it was needed. I do need to  DL a driver: http://support.amd.com/en-us/download/desktop/previous/detail?os=Linux%20x86_64&rev=12.8
[01:35] <holstein> aurum: for what?
[01:35] <aurum> Does x86_64 signify an Intel CPU?
[01:35] <aurum> Or just 8086 architecture
[01:36] <aurum> Catalyst 12.8 drivers for my Radeon HD 5970 video cards.
[01:36] <Noskcaj> aurum, If the cpu is made by intel, it's intel. x86_64 means it's for 64-bit linux
[01:36] <GridCube> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[01:37] <GridCube> x86-64 (also known as x64, x86_64 and amd64) is the 64-bit version of the x86 instruction set.
[01:37] <holstein> but the driver is in the repos as well.. you dont need to download it from the site
[01:38] <holstein> aurum: i suggest closing the web brwoser, and finishing the upgrades, and rebooting.. then, you can refer to the link i linked earlier
[01:38] <holstein> !ati
[01:38] <aurum> the repos??? It offered me a couple of proprietary drivers sans names.
[01:38] <holstein> aurum: it?
[01:39] <aurum> This is day one for me, I assume you want me to type " !ati " somewhere, but where?
[01:39] <holstein> aurum: what do you need the proprietary driver for?
[01:39] <aurum> it be Xbuntu
[01:40] <holstein> aurum: no.. !ati asks the bot to give the link it gave.. to the information on installing the driver you may or may not need
[01:40] <holstein> aurum: why are you installing the proprietary driver? is something missing?
[01:40] <holstein> aurum: have you applied all the upgrades?
[01:41] <holstein> this is the link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[01:41] <aurum> No, the update manager said "Failed to download package files"
[01:41] <holstein> aurum: then, reload it and try again
[01:42] <holstein> aurum: after closing the browser.. if it fails again, let me konw and we wil use the terminal
[01:42] <aurum> I've tried a few times by closing Update Manager and re-opening it. I also rebooted.
[01:43] <holstein> aurum: close everything.. open a terminal and run "sudo apt-get update" withouth any ""'s.. run that and share error messages
[01:46] <holstein> aurum: and? you ready for the next step?.. anyways, when you are, assuming you have no errors use the command "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"..
[01:51] <aurum> holstein, I can't get Update Manager to run. I also cannot get firefox to go any web page. It says i have a wired connection
[01:51] <holstein> aurum: ok
[01:51] <holstein> aurum: close *everything* .. the update manager.. the web browser. anything else you may have open
[01:52] <aurum> everything's closed but the desktop
[01:52] <holstein> aurum: open *only* a terminal.. and type/copy/paste the following without any quotation marks.. "sudo apt-get update" then, run that by pressing the enter key, and let me konw if there are any error mesages
[01:53] <holstein> the next step, if no errors is "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[01:59] <aurum> Took me a while to find the Terminal. sudo apt-get update gave me the same list of "cannot resolve http://..."
[01:59] <holstein> aurum: sounds like you have connectivity issues
[01:59] <holstein> aurum: you should try and reboot if you think eveything is OK on the network
[02:02] <aurum> I'm at a loss, the other 3 win7 PCs on the same switch just plug in and auto discover the network. How do I discover the network in linux? The network page says I'm at 192.168.10.103 all my other PCs are at 192.168.1.xx
[02:02] <aurum> 192.168.10.1 is a wireless router plugged into the switch. I'll try unplugging it.
[02:05] <aurum> DLing!!! Unplugging the wireless router from the switch and restarting Ubuntu and it was assigned to 192.168.1.9, right where it should be.
[02:06] <aurum> It's now applying changes, looks like it'll take a while.
[02:06] <aurum> holstein, thanks for your patience :-)
[02:37] <blubaustin> hello
[02:38] <blubaustin> I got doom 3 installed on my xubuntu 13.10, but I am not getting any sound. Any ideas?
[02:52] <holstein> aurum: glad you got it worked out
[03:47] <blubaustin> alright I'll try again.
[03:47] <blubaustin> I have doom 3 native to linux, and I'm not getting any sound
[03:48] <blubaustin> I believe it has to do with, it uses OSS instead of alsa, as of 12.04 I think they removed OSS
[03:48] <blubaustin> out of the kernel, any ideas
[04:43] <fibz_> install oss orr the swiss army knife of sound?
[09:21] <nsommerby> hello
[09:30] <nsommerby> Anyone here good with audio issues?
[09:30] <elfy> nsommerby: it really is best just to ask the question - then if anyone can answer you they will
[09:31] <nsommerby> Well, the issue I'm having is that my media players (VLC, Spotify) aren't producing any sounds, though everything else is working just fine.  How do I get the media players to work again?
[09:36] <well_laid_lawn> !sound
[09:40] <nsommerby> As far as I know, the settings are fine.  Spotify was even working just fine only a couple of weeks ago, and I haven't gone in and changed any of the audio settings.
[09:42] <nsommerby> and it plays system sounds as well as internet videos (IE Youtube) normally.  It's just the media programs themselves that are having the issue.
[12:30] <Prickelttest_196> If I want to learn to use Xubuntu, can I rely on the Ubuntu documentation?
[12:30] <knome> Prickelttest_196, try the xubuntu documentation first
[12:30] <knome> Prickelttest_196, then refer to ubuntu documentation to fill in the blanks
[12:30] <slickymaster> Prickelttest_196: you have the Xubuntu official documentation available at http://docs.xubuntu.org/
[12:31] <knome> or the section "help" in the applications menu
[12:38] <Prickelttest_196> thanks guys!
[12:50] <xubuntu768> hi, i recently installed KXStudio alongside Xubuntu....now when i turn the computer on i have KXStudio in the boot menu and what i assume are 3 different versions of Xubuntu, or 3 different versions of the kernel. 3.11.0-15-generic, 3.11.0-14-generic and 3.11.0-12-generic. Do i need all of them?
[12:51] <cfhowlett> xubuntu768, I don't recall that KX studio is using a custom kernel so I'd say can probably safely kill some of the older kernels.  But ... y u no install ubuntustudio?
[12:53] <xubuntu768> i have ubuntustudio on my other computer, was just testing KX to see what it was like :)
[12:53] <cfhowlett> understood
[12:54] <xubuntu768> KX uses 3.8.0-32-lowlatency apparently
[12:54] <cfhowlett> xubuntu768, suggest you keep it.
[12:56] <xubuntu768> will do thanks :) was just surprised first time i saw the boot menu.....it was a mess lol
[13:45] <mio6> Good afternoon, I have some serious issue with chromium-browser. Any page I try to visit (excluding localhost pages) returns Aw Snap issue.
[13:46] <mio6> I've tried all the solutions offered online, that is removing my user profile, disabling all extensions and I've even disabled all plugins. Am I the first to encounter this issue?
[13:47] <Guest493> create a new user in Xubuntu and try chromium from there
[13:48] <Guest493> also free some RAM memory
[13:48] <mio6> care to explain how that may help?
[13:48] <mio6> I also have no ram issue :-(
[13:53] <Guest493> that would guarantee it's not fault of other Chromium's dotfiles in your current user account
[13:54] <mio6> that won't lead me to finding the issue though, and it would be somewhat troubling making a new user here now. thanks for the suggestion however
[14:00] <mio6> ok error exists even for other users
[14:03] <Guest493> I would ''apt-get --purge remove chromium-browser'' and then reinstall it
[14:24] <mio6> still no help with that. I have to leave now, so I submitted a bug for this package
[14:44] <delt> hello
[14:45] <delt> trying to install latest rosegarden... what should QTDIR be set to?
[14:54] <delt> oh, seems like i need to install qt4-dev-tools
[16:23] <horrow> hey everybody i want to ask why when i start my FIREFOX LAUNCHER xubuntu relogs my pc account? and not start?
[16:34] <john_rambo> suggest me a gui backup tool capable of doing incremental backups to usb drive
[16:37] <Guest493> Grsync?
[16:38] <Guest493> john_rambo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rsync#Solutions_using_rsync
[16:38] <therazr> Hi what version of xubuntu do you recommend me? 12.04 or 13.10? Thanks
[16:39] <Guest493> john_rambo: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2596/comparison-of-backup-tools
[16:40] <Guest493> therazr: if you do not mind reinstalling (or upgrading + fixing some possible little bugs) every 6 months, and/or have the need for recent versions of programs: 13.10
[16:41] <Guest493> Otherwise, 12.04 which is supported for 3 years
[16:41] <Guest493> Also be aware that 14.04 will be the next Long Term Support.
[16:41] <therazr> Guest493: Thanks :). Which do u use by the way?
[16:41] <Guest493> I use 12.04 for my parents and 13.10 mysef
[16:41] <therazr> is it safe to upgrade to 14.04 once it is out?
[16:44] <Guest493> therazr: it's supported. Upgrades to the subsequent version are supported.
[16:44] <Guest493> Upgrades from LTS to LTS are also supported (e.g. 12.04 -> 14.04).
[16:45] <therazr> Ok thanks :) I'll go with 13.10 since next one is an LTS
[16:46] <Guest493> therazr: let me point you to the 13.10 Release Notes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SaucySalamander/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu
[16:47] <Guest493> 12.04 --> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PrecisePangolin/ReleaseNotes/Xubuntu#Known_Problems
[16:47] <therazr> Guest493: Anything special I should care about?
[16:49] <Guest493> the known issues/problems.
[16:49] <Guest493> that's more something you care adfter installation, I just wanted to give you the link in advance for future reference
[16:52] <therazr> Guest493: thanks man, I'm downloading it now
[16:53] <Orioa|2> does anyone know this..i have edited the lightdm-gtk.conf to use a wallpaper but it does not change
[16:54] <Orioa|2> ive also tried changing it with ubuntu tweak but nothing happens
[16:54] <holstein> Orioa|2: did you try tweak first? does tweak support the version you are using?
[16:55] <Orioa|2> yeah ive tried everything i could think of as well as googling it
[16:56] <holstein> Orioa|2: im loosely suggesting, something you may have tried could be breaking something
[16:57] <Orioa|2> maybe
[16:57] <Orioa|2> dunno what else i can do
[16:57] <holstein> Orioa|2: im the kind of guy who will go and rename the file, and leave the config alone
[16:58] <Orioa|2> yeah didn't think of doing that but also didn't think i would of broken it lol
[17:04] <holstein> !ubuntutweak
[17:04] <holstein> Orioa|2: im not sure that you are having an issue becuase of using tweak.. i just know its a "red flag"
[17:05] <Orioa|2> k ty found simply lightdm manager
[17:18] <johny_> hello sir
[17:28] <xubuntu339> Good morning, I have a somewhat difficult question to spring on you all, Is it possible to dual boot windows 8 and xubuntu? I got a new computer this Christmas and to my horror it had windows 8 installed, consequently I now wish to install linux of some description alongside windows 8, Is it possible? If so, is it particularly difficult?
[17:28] <holstein> !dualboot
[17:28] <holstein> !uefi | xubuntu339 also relevant
[17:29] <timbermaniac> Does anybody know what's going on with Mir in the future, since Intel doesn't seem as though they'll be supporting it?
[17:29] <holstein> !mir
[17:29] <holstein> though, i think it has been moved to later
[17:30] <xubuntu339> Thanks for the help, it is much appreciated.
[17:33] <timbermaniac> holstein: From the wiki page, it doesn't say anything about Intel - only mentions closed-source driver vendors. I hope Mir will simply be an option and we can continue to use X when it's released.
[17:35] <holstein> timbermaniac: AFAIK, there will be xmir or whatever emulation.. and, potentially, that emulation layer may not cause a performance hit at all, if the underlying tech changes
[17:36] <timbermaniac> holstein: "We do not condone or support Canonical in the course of action they have chosen, and will not carry XMir patches upstream."
[17:37] <holstein> timbermaniac: but, X apps will work.. im not an mir dev though.. no doubt, things are changing.. im sure applications will run somehow
[17:39] <timbermaniac> holstein: I'm not an expert on graphics by any means. I'm only concerned if I will have to move away from Xubuntu in the future to something like the Fedora Xfce spin, due to Mir
[17:40] <holstein> timbermaniac: you never "have to" do anything.. im sure applications will run, and you can choose to run what you like
[17:40] <holstein> timbermaniac: its going to be a long migration with lots of "legacy" support issues
[17:41] <Itsame> is there a way to stop my username from appearing in the top panel?
[17:42] <Itsame> without removing that menu completely
[17:43] <timbermaniac> Itsame: I believe that's the 'full name' and not actually the username
[17:44] <Itsame> oh yes, could be too
[17:44] <Itsame> I don't want my name there as I use my laptop in public places
[17:45] <Guest493> right-click the panel >> select Remove, or select Panel >> Panel Preferences >> the Items tab
[17:45] <holstein> Guest493: i believe Itsame wants to keep the panel item. just with a blank name space
[17:46] <holstein> Itsame: i believe timbermaniac is implying you could change the users full name to null
[17:46] <Itsame> yes or just an icon
[17:46] <Guest493> choose Properties and set the Appearance field to Action Buttons
[17:47] <Itsame> ah yes, it's an improvement. however, now I got many icons instead of one
[17:47] <timbermaniac> That's a good solution for when you're in public places.
[17:47] <Guest493> or you could change the information in /etc/passwd (5th field) but I've not tested that
[17:47] <timbermaniac> Could always just change your username.
[17:47] <Guest493> There must be a way to do it with a command or a gui configuration panel, though.
[17:49] <Guest493> Ok, I could do it in this way: open Settings manager >> Users and Groups >> select your user >> click Change next to your name at the top
[17:52] <Guest493> Itsame: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[17:55] <Itsame> Thanks for the help :)
[19:30] <xubuntu726> how long xubuntu 12.04 LTS has support?
[19:31] <xubuntu726> ?
[19:32] <xubuntu439> Hi all
[19:33] <xubuntu439> my keyboard and mouse crash when i'm trying to install. Any ideas?
[19:34] <xubuntu439> I've tried changing the bios settings]
[19:35] <TheSheep> what do you mean that your keyboard crashes? you drop it on the floor?
[19:35] <TheSheep> !lts | xubuntu439
[19:35] <TheSheep> xubuntu439: sorry, wrong nick
[19:36] <xubuntu439> sorry, freezes I menat
[19:36] <xubuntu439> meant*
[19:37] <xubuntu387> New here; desperately seeking for ways to connect my Huawei T-Mobile Inet to XUbuntu 12.04. Is it possible >?
[19:38] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: no idea, have you tried googling it?
[19:39] <xubuntu387> No
[19:39] <xubuntu387> what do you mean "googling"
[19:39] <xubuntu387> ?
[19:39] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: searching for it using google
[19:40] <xubuntu387> Allrighties, I'll try asking the inet, mostly use Yahoo for that
[19:41] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: you might also try searching the forums
[19:41] <xubuntu387> thanks
[19:41] <TheSheep> !forum | xubuntu387
[19:41] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: by the way, if it works with ubuntu, it should work with xubuntu
[19:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu439: there isn't much information we can use
[19:42] <TheSheep> xubuntu439: any error messages? anything in the logs?
[19:43] <xubuntu439> I'm new to linux, but if I can't install then would it produce logs? And where?
[19:43] <xubuntu387> The T-Mobile inet sticks use Windows and/or Mac OS10.4 and so on.
[19:44] <xubuntu387> As far as I know none are developed for linux in NL or Eu yet...
[19:44] <xubuntu387> So it's like trying to install Win-app in Linux
[19:45] <TheSheep> xubuntu387: I'm sure there are people who tried to make it work, and some of them might have written about it
[19:45] <xubuntu387> In Xubuntu it fails as soon as autoexec setup started
[19:45] <xubuntu387> I've heard of it working in regular Ubuntu earlier
[19:46] <koegs> you can check the usb-id with "lsusb" and then see if somebody tried to use that in ubuntu
[19:46] <xubuntu387> It's my internet connection
[19:47] <xubuntu387> These thing apparently come China and firmwares are pre-developed for several OS's
[19:48] <koegs> what is the exact name and usb-id? you might have more look trying with the exact name + ubuntu or the usb-id + ubuntu
[19:48] <xubuntu387> have to go now, thank you for yr attention
[19:48] <xubuntu387> quit
[19:48] <xubuntu387> ex
[19:52] <xubuntu439> I got it working, just changed more settings then tried stuff in different usb ports
[20:41] <xubuntu576> hi
[20:41] <xubuntu576> hi
[21:20] <elfy> Orioa: earlier you were here trying to sort out a login screen image? did you get that sorted
[21:21] <elfy> ".i have edited the lightdm-gtk.conf to use a wallpaper but it does not change"
[21:21] <elfy> did you try lightdm-gtk-greeter.conf
[21:35] <DF3D2> lubuntu uses xfce power manager right?
[21:35] <knome> this is the xubuntu support channel, i would ask in #lubuntu
[21:35] <DF3D2> jesus people don't read
[21:36] <knome> i did; you asked about lubuntu
[21:36] <DF3D2> i'm using the xfce power manager that is bundled with lubuntu
[21:36] <knome> no, you asked whether lubuntu uses that
[21:36] <DF3D2> right im asking about an xfce app
[21:37] <DF3D2> it seems to ignore the do nothing on laptop lid close setting
[21:38] <brainwash> DF3D2: bug 1222021
[21:40] <DF3D2> brainwash, thanks
[21:40] <DF3D2> I set the triage setting someone suggested
[21:56] <xubuntu158> hi, is anybody can help me about cron ?
[23:05] <soman> Where can I see changelogs for ubuntu? I want to know changes between 12.04 and 12.04.3 for example
[23:07] <TheSheep> soman: it's all on launchpad.net