[00:44] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FKvQDZ3IWw
[00:44] <daftykins> O_O
[05:07] <mapps> quiet here last night
[08:48] <foobarry> shh
[08:55] <MartijnVdS> \o
[10:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[12:08] <mapps> ;]
[12:27] <dogmatic69_> popey: Got the 3700 router, but they sent a v4 :/
[12:28] <dogmatic69_> does not work with open wrt
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: .. yet :)
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> dogmatic69_: which brand? TP-Link or Netgear? Both have 3700 models..
[12:59] <MartijnVdS> or "both have models with 3700 in the name"
[13:14] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: netgear
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: just installed dd-wrt which worked out the box
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> I think open wrt is better thought from what I read, more like a mini nix distro
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> one up side, the v4 has 128mb of space
[13:15] <dogmatic69_> or ram
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> MartijnVdS: any idea how I can setup virgin media -> ddwrt -> [pc's]
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> will the internet just work like that?
[13:18] <dogmatic69_> vm is 192.168.0.x and ddwrt is 192.168.1.x
[13:19] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: Yeh that should work
[13:19] <dogmatic69_> cool, will try quick. brb
[13:19] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: The other way is you can put the VM box into modem-mode so that your ddwrt sees the external IP (I suspect that might break the wireless on the VM box though)
[13:30] <popey> dogmatic69: yes
[13:30] <popey> dogmatic69: thats how I have mine setup. virgin media super hub is setup in modem only mode
[13:30] <popey> and the dd-wrt is the dhcp server
[13:31] <popey> dogmatic69: i wouldn't do what you've done, with double nat, that will likely cause more issues
[13:31] <dogmatic69_> \o/
[13:31] <popey> ☻
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: seems it works :D
[13:32] <popey> dogmatic69_: can you see what I said above?
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> now to figure out open wrt
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> nope, missed it
[13:32] <popey> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6732456/
[13:32] <dogmatic69_> saw about the vm in modem mode. not worried about its wifi anymore
[13:33] <popey> yeah, i wouldnt use the wifi on the superhub, its terrible
[13:33] <dogmatic69_> ok, will switch that to modem mode
[13:33] <dogmatic69_> the super hub is terrible :P
[13:34] <dogmatic69_> worst lock down ever, could not even assign reserved ip's
[13:35] <ujjain2> I am looking for a job in London, seems 90% of all jobs and everybody who calls me is from a recruitment agency :-(
[13:38] <popey> whats wrong with using an agency?
[13:42] <penguin42> popey: They're often pretty hopeless at figuring out what jobs to offer you
[13:43] <popey> some are, some aren't
[13:43] <penguin42> nod
[13:44] <penguin42> dogmatic69: I was fighting a problem with a SIP phone my employer had given me and it basically ended up with 'oh..you're on UK virgin media ....' and discussion about probably needing to put it into modem mode
[13:44] <penguin42> (which I've not done yet)
[13:44] <popey> yeah. i had to do that for my cisco sip phone to work
[13:45] <penguin42> popey: This is one of the polycom ones, it works sometimes but otherwise it sometimes gets a 403 Forbidden back from what is apparently the SIP proxy, but the admins say they never even saw it
[13:47] <penguin42> popey: In modem mode what happens to the wifi? Is it possible to get it to bridge the wifi onto the ether ?
[13:49] <penguin42> anyway, time to pop out
[13:49] <shauno> that sounds logical but is near impossible to setup.  if your wifi went right to the ether in modem mode, each client would be receiving an address from the isp
[13:50] <popey> in modem mode the wifi on superhub is off
[14:06] <ujjain2> i hate also toleo, often you spend so much time
[14:07] <ujjain2> I just got blocked for 1 time writing wrong password arg
[14:09] <ujjain2> made a duplicate account, even lost password didn´t work
[14:36] <Wobbo> How to let my ext4 usable in windows, i never used windows so i have no idea how to get it work
[14:38] <Wobbo> Damm windows, why doesnt open source like ext doesn't work... lol Oh, what its from Microsoft! ? Haha
[15:08] <mapps> anyone else on o2 broadband (bethere)
[15:08] <mapps> seems incredibly slow  atm for me
[15:15] <shauno> well that's going to ruin someone's day; just had a call from a site that 'accidentally' inserted an armored cable into the rear of a 500kW UPS.
[15:15] <MartijnVdS> shauno: boom?
[15:16] <shauno> it sounds like it's actually been surprisingly graceful.  I mean, dead, but gracefully so.  must have been a meaty cable
[15:16] <shauno> smaller cables, screwdrivers etc tend to just evaporate
[15:16] <MartijnVdS> well it was armored
[15:24] <mapps> what does that mean inserted the cab;e into it?
[15:29] <shauno> well, not where it's supposed to go, to put it mildly
[15:33] <DJones> As in sticking your finger into a mains socket
[15:36] <shauno> pretty much, but it sounds like they've hit the DC bar.  so somewhere around 4000 amps at 120V DC?
[15:43] <shauno> oh, and for windows .. I think that's actually doable with ext2fsd.  I'm not sure if it does win8 or ext4 (but I may be out of date on either of those), but it's big-picture possible
[15:53] <ali1234> shauno: do you ever get bored and cook hotdogs on the UPS?
[15:54] <shauno> I'm .. curious how that'd work
[15:55] <ali1234> you get two forks and you wire one to live and one to neutral and then you stick a fork in each end of the hot dog
[15:55] <ali1234> then you turn it on
[15:55] <ali1234> it's important to do the steps int he right order
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> now try that on a European socket ;)
[15:58] <MartijnVdS> 99% of which don't come with on/off switches ;)
[16:00] <Myrtti> ohm sausage
[16:00] <Myrtti> the most dangerous of snacks
[17:14] <daftykins> i went for a ride to one of the island's south coast beaches today, at the bottom of a very steep valley
[17:14] <daftykins> it also has #15 of the many coastal defences on the island
[17:14] <daftykins> in this case to protect the islands from the French in ~1778 due to the ongoing fun with the US establishing itself
[17:15] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/zoi1fp0dc6k33id/fermain.mp4
[17:15] <daftykins> here's a wee video of the sea, plus the tower itself
[17:16] <daftykins> you can't see it in the vid but you could see the French coast today
[17:21] <MartijnVdS> cool
[17:22] <MartijnVdS> so that's looking to the east?
[17:27] <daftykins> yep
[17:28] <MartijnVdS> cool!
[17:28] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh, what I'd like would be for the wifi ap and the modem to sit on one ether segment; I'd like the wifi ap to have a local non-routable IP; then the NAT box I set up on that ether could route out of the modem and NAT stuff to the wifi ap
[17:32] <shauno> I'm not sure you'll find that possible.  I'm pretty sure it's either all-in-one mode, or modem mode.  there's no "and a half" between
[17:33] <penguin42> nod
[17:41] <daftykins> sounds like you'd need at least: modem <-> router with 2 NICs <-> WAP on one + LAN on other
[17:49] <shauno> if the wap can bridge, it'd just be modem<->nat<->lan & the wap sits on the lan.  but trying to use the wap out of the modem for that, would require two different routes on that device, and these home units just don't do that
[17:50] <shauno> they're not designed for you, they're designed for my mum
[17:50] <daftykins> XD
[17:50] <penguin42> shauno: Nod
[17:50] <daftykins> shauno: does your splendiferous DNS knowledge extend to the wonders if autodiscover subdomains?
[17:50] <penguin42> shauno: Give me a shell damnit :-)
[17:50] <daftykins> s/if/of/
[17:51] <daftykins> penguin42: are you after segregating wireless and wired?
[17:52] <penguin42> daftykins: ideally, but the two things I need more are 1) To get the external un-nat'd external IP to my own NAT box 2) I'd still like to have a wifi ap downstairs which that box conveniently has
[17:53] <daftykins> ah-har
[17:53] <daftykins> yeah sounds like it'd be too painful to keep
[17:54] <penguin42> daftykins: I'd be happy for my NAT box to do the routing for the wifi
[17:55] <penguin42> anyway, I've come back with two finds from the local Currys clearance store; a 16GB Sandisk SD for 4.95 (whose box looked like it was run over) and a low end DAB radio for #9.99
[17:55] <daftykins> :O
[17:55] <daftykins> hehe, i don't think you can get any DAB over here
[17:56] <daftykins> probably the fault of the French, most things are ;)
[17:56] <penguin42> you're not missing much
[17:56] <daftykins> for example, Channel 5 was never broadcast over here
[17:56] <daftykins> nah :)
[17:57] <penguin42> hmm, Ch.5 has some stuff I watch
[19:12] <diddledan> ok, contentious issue of the day: will the world be a better or worse place when dicky stallman pops his clogs?
[19:13] <daftykins> i'm not even familiar with that name
[19:13] <daftykins> oooh
[19:13] <daftykins> heh, penny drops
[19:13] <daftykins> that's far too rude sir!
[19:13] <diddledan> rude?
[19:13] <daftykins> yep
[19:19] <shauno> stallman's kinda like boiling water.  it's not meant to be consumable, but does define that end of the scale.  as long as there's a scale, someone will be the definition
[19:20] <daftykins> that's a very cunning explanation sir
[19:22] <shauno> the bit that does worry me, is that I used to donate to the FSF, until I got tired of only ever hearing about them when they were trolling
[19:26] <diddledan> I still do donate to the FSF
[19:56] <foobarry> just discovered the second series of the bridge is on
[19:57] <diddledan> really? I still haven't seen the first
[19:57] <foobarry> episode 3....iplayer mad rush to see if ep1, 2 are available
[19:57] <diddledan> is that the british or the original nordic?
[19:57] <foobarry> scandy
[19:57] <diddledan> aah
[19:57] <foobarry> 1st series was epic
[19:58] <diddledan> yeah the scandinavians are getting a really good rep for their crime drama right now
[19:58] <foobarry> cos they can tell a story, unlike american troll tv
[19:58] <foobarry> under the dome was 10 episodes longer than it should be, and they trolled everyone at the "ending"
[19:58] <foobarry> etc etc
[20:02] <Myrtti> I so want to watch the first series of that with the other half, but subtitles :-/
[20:03] <foobarry> he needs finnish subititles?
[20:03] <Myrtti> if that were the problem it would already be solved since my online PVR already has it with the Finnish subtitles
[20:04] <foobarry> i watch most of my programmes with subtitles now because baby noise
[20:04] <Myrtti> but he's a slow reader, bless him, so trying to read the subtitles robs the show from him
[20:05] <Myrtti> I'm slowly introducing him to fantasy and science fiction books I read as a teenager through audiobooks
[20:05] <foobarry> or american films they mumble a lot so if i'm on my own i'll slap them on subtitle
[20:05] <foobarry> is he dyslexic?
[20:05] <Myrtti> had eye movement / head movement ticks when at school
[20:06] <foobarry> mrs foobarry prefers fiction aimed at younger ages for dyslexic reasons, since books require so much more investment for her
[20:07] <foobarry> although she's read the bible start to end quite a few times, in quite hard language versions
[20:07] <foobarry> so her willpower > dyslexia
[20:08]  * penguin42 reads rather slowly as well
[20:08] <foobarry> but she groans when i want to want "another french film"
[20:08]  * penguin42 has probably only bothered with one or two foreign films
[20:08] <Myrtti> yeah, I'd want to show a few Kieslowskis and some Finnish films
[20:09] <foobarry> red > white > blue
[20:09] <foobarry> > dekalog
[20:10]  * penguin42 has just finished reading GEB again - probably do only a few pages a night
[20:10] <diddledan> I'm a slow reader also
[20:10] <penguin42> although some of GEB is hard going
[20:10]  * MartijnVdS is not
[20:10] <foobarry> if i find a fiction book i like, i completely devour it then get sad its finished
[20:11] <Myrtti> GEB
[20:11] <Myrtti> hold on
[20:11] <Myrtti> I should know this
[20:11] <foobarry> great English bakeoff?
[20:11] <penguin42> Myrtti: Godel, Escher, Bach
[20:11] <foobarry> gary eats barry?
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> Gunther Enoch Bobby?
[20:12] <diddledan> I want some of what you're got
[20:12] <diddledan> you've**
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptonomicon
[20:12] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: there's a minor character (mentioned maybe twice) with those initials :)
[20:13] <foobarry> slow readers may find doctorows books easy going
[20:14] <foobarry> i think they are a bit teenfic though
[20:14] <MartijnVdS> Stephenson's books, not so much (maybe snow crash)
[20:14]  * penguin42 notes that I read the last dialog in GEB on the same night I watched the start of the Matrix again; I'm thinking of doing a comparison of quotes
[20:14]  * penguin42 never does fiction
[20:15] <MartijnVdS> why not?
[20:16] <penguin42> MartijnVdS: Well as I say I don't read fast, and I've never found it worth putting the effort in to read fiction; I've probably read 4 or 5 fiction books in my life
[20:16] <penguin42> maybe a few more when I was forced to read at school
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> being forced to read at school made my reading speed go up
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> *a lot*
[20:17] <MartijnVdS> now people complain I read too fast
[20:17] <daftykins> :)
[20:18]  * penguin42 is on the look out for a good Genetics book to read
[20:19] <diddledan> lol, that won't be hard going :-p
[20:20] <penguin42> diddledan: Well I tend to read pop-sci, and I want a pop-sci genetics book that talks about all the neat bits rather than a text book
[20:21] <diddledan> aah gotcha
[20:21] <diddledan> a "fun look" at rather than a "nitty gritty"
[20:21]  * penguin42 is about to re-read 'the language of the genes'
[20:21] <penguin42> diddledan: Well I want the detail of the neat bits :-)
[20:22] <penguin42> diddledan: I mean I occasionally read articles or stuff and come across things like  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holliday_junction    now isn't that neat?
[20:29] <daftykins> wow
[20:34] <diddledan> facebook has over a billion monthly active users
[20:34] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Dwek7dZDFN0
[21:38] <Myrtti> oh wow
[21:38] <Myrtti> http://areena.yle.fi/tv/2128356/#/play
[21:39] <penguin42> wow what? says he seeing a popup in a language I don't know
[21:41] <Myrtti> they're transmitting a LAN event finals and also to abroad
[21:42] <diddledan> sounds sweedish?
[21:42] <diddledan> oh, .fi finnish
[21:52] <Myrtti> oh it's even in Tampere
[21:52] <Myrtti> cool
[22:21] <diddledan> oh the trollishness: http://gwan.ch/faq#license
[22:24]  * webpigeon head desks
[23:12] <ali1234> diddledan check this: http://www.wikivs.com/wiki/Talk:G-WAN_vs_Nginx
[23:13] <ali1234> all that posted in like 2 days. the author is clearly nuts