[04:53] good mornings [05:38] morning all [05:53] good morning Kilos, you are late [05:57] ohi inetpro ya man bad head day feels like [05:57] didnt want to open eyes this morning [05:59] het jy gesien die outjie se lappy werk met 12.04 [05:59] maar soos hier, moes 3 keer instaleer [06:22] yep and I noticed you getting into trouble as well [06:23] for giving the man a customised rather than the official version [06:24] hmm.... [06:55] hi Gotango [06:55] Hi Kilos [06:55] I booted into an older version, it said 3.2 kernel [06:56] The first one had 3.5 kernel [06:57] Its a small bit less hot , but still uncomfortable [06:59] whew you will need to get help from the clever guys [06:59] but it cant be running hotter than win7 [07:00] once you have data and do update/upgrade everything will work better [07:00] The linux graphics drivers for this lappy are for linux mint. And i dont understand this thread it gives alot of routes that will give me headaches http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2118873 [07:00] linux isos arent a complete install of the os like windows is [07:00] Yes its hotter and loader than win7 [07:01] to get the drivers you run additional and let it look for the correct ones from the correct place [07:02] That will require me to have adsl [07:02] linux always needs the update and first upgrade to be at its best [07:02] or more data [07:02] Man i wish i had a backup win7, linux works best on desktops [07:03] nope all the guys run it on lappys [07:04] all business peeps use lappies so they can take their work with them [07:04] no one on linux channels carries a win7 lappy around [07:05] your only restriction is the data prob [07:05] Well they got compatible hardware ofcours [07:05] grame has ubuntu running on an old hp like yours [07:05] hmm , no one seems to know the true size of ubuntu [07:06] your not having data is whats restricting things [07:06] I guess [07:06] the original cd was 730m [07:07] in my understanding ubuntu installs the basic os, and then the update/upgrade completes everything [07:08] if you can go plug in on someones adsl or uncapped mobile you can do it [07:08] Just this one issue i got with the heat/noise, everything else works [07:09] it will improve when you have the correct drivers [07:09] did you type in additional in the dash [07:09] dash=launcher thing [07:10] then let it look for what is needed but dont install just give the info here [07:10] It wants to download [07:10] oh [07:10] nope it will first look what is needed then give you the choice to go ahead [07:11] Downloading package indexes failed, please check your network status. Most drivers will not be available. [07:11] thats because you have done sudo apt-get update [07:11] havent [07:12] So i do it now ? [07:12] I got 80MB left i think [07:13] its 20m or a bit less [07:13] Ok will do it now [07:16] It says : Reading package lists... Done , and nothing after that [07:16] i didnt think. if you had have told me what you needed for web work i could have installed them here before making the dvd [07:17] ok now do additional and see what drivers are needed [07:17] yeah and included a windows backup too. But we cant go back [07:17] okay [07:18] Downloading package indexes failed, please check your network status. Most drivers will not be available. [07:18] now you will see mysql in synaptic [07:18] Still the same [07:19] but the first upgrade is needed to make everything work kiff [07:19] but thats gonna be 100m or so [07:19] what the same no mysql? [07:20] i told you last night the update only sees what is available. it doesnt update and running apps [07:20] upgrade will upgrade everything needed [07:20] s/and/any [07:21] I dont care about mysql and php runtime now, i just want ubuntu to use less of what its using now [07:22] I disabled upgrades [07:22] yes but one can see how big they would be in cli [07:23] run sudo apt-get upgrade and it will tell you how much data will be used [07:23] then you say no [07:24] you have the basic os running there now [07:24] like with a car that should have a turbo [07:24] Reading package lists... Done [07:24] Building dependency tree [07:24] Reading state information... Done [07:24] 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [07:24] the turbo only comes with upgrading [07:25] lol , i dont want a turbo , i want a family car [07:25] hasnt there been a popup of update manager [07:26] Nope [07:26] ok its like a basic car without the brakes connected then [07:27] lol, more like an engine without oil atm [07:27] Can blow at anytime [07:27] do additional lets see [07:27] it wont blow its not windows [07:28] Downloading package indexes failed, please check your network status. Most drivers will not be available. [07:28] I guess [07:28] maybe the repo isnt good [07:28] there are many [07:29] open synaptic [07:29] ok [07:30] then tick settings repositories [07:30] ok [07:30] what does it say by download from [07:31] Main Server [07:31] what does it show i should say [07:31] lemme just check if its down [07:31] ok [07:32] Btw i unchecked everything in that list yesterday [07:33] no man i told you only to change the update one to never [07:33] nothing else [07:33] youve killed something that sees the repos [07:33] Oops [07:33] Should i check them [07:33] open update manager [07:34] and go settings at the bottom [07:34] ok [07:34] wait im opening it to see [07:35] in updates at the top [07:35] install updates from [07:36] tick the top 2 and bottom one [07:36] ok [07:36] I cant its disabled [07:36] where it says automaticcaly check use never [07:37] ok go to ubuntu software [07:37] The 4 checkboxes are disabled [07:37] top left [07:37] ok [07:37] All boxes there are unchecked [07:37] tick the first 4 [07:38] ok done [07:38] then go toother software [07:38] Ok [07:39] tick first 4 [07:39] then go see if updates is enabled again [07:39] there are 6 already ticked [07:40] the 5th is remastersys and the 6th is opera stuff [07:40] where? [07:40] in Other Software [07:40] untick the remastersys and the last one [07:40] ok [07:41] Done [07:41] remastersys is used to make dvds of your running os [07:41] yes updates are enabled [07:41] ok [07:41] ok and check for updates must be never [07:42] you will do the checking for updates via cli [07:42] Yes already set. What about the 4 checkboxes and the other stuff in Updates [07:43] you must just go mad and tick and untick stuff that you dont know what its for [07:44] lol, i looked for things that will save me system resources sorry [07:44] the first second and 4th must be ticked [07:44] np most new peeps make mistakes [07:44] but rather ask here before you do things [07:45] linux and windows arent the same [07:45] Will do [07:45] ok if you done there close update manager [07:45] ok [07:45] the do sudo apt-get update [07:45] update manager is the gui for it [07:47] Seems to be working [07:49] hi theblazehen [07:49] hey kilos :) [07:50] that was fast, lol [07:52] ok now do sudo apt-get update [07:53] but dont say yes to upgrading [07:54] it must have told you how much it fetched and in how much time [07:54] Its already downloading stuff packages in terminal [07:55] Didnt give options [07:55] eeek [07:55] pull the modem [07:56] didnt it even say how much it must get? [07:56] I did sudo apt-get update [07:56] you have done that [07:56] and it started downloading [07:56] thats to see what is available [07:56] Isnt that the 20mb one? [07:56] it will go quicker [07:57] yes [07:57] should tell you fetched so much in so long [07:58] Biggest number i see here is 4709 kb [07:58] why did you do sudo apt-get update again? [07:58] Its downloading 4 packages now [07:59] in update they dont get downloaded [08:00] upgrade downloads them and installs [08:00] huh , should i disconnect ? [08:00] dont get mixed up with update upgrade [08:00] dunno upgrade and update sounds similar [08:01] if you did update then you can leave it [08:01] Its almost at 100% [08:01] you must concentrate when you are given commands [08:02] easiest is to copy paste them [08:03] Now it keeps on going , should i disconnect ? [08:03] what does it say it is doing [08:03] if its at 100% downloads its now installing [08:04] First it loaded some packages , now its loading translations [08:04] you got your commands mixed somewhere [08:04] oh the language stuff [08:04] thats also helps it run better [08:05] Isnt the Update to show the packages in synaptics [08:05] yes [08:06] but you only need to do it once for starters [08:06] So i should be doing sudo apt-get update right [08:06] then once a month to keep up with security upgrades [08:07] I am doing it once now [08:07] have you not done sudo apt-get update already [08:07] you were supposed to do that after we fixed update manager [08:07] Is the Upgrade command the 20mb one [08:07] no [08:08] that will fetch everything that needs upgrading [08:08] Never did Update , got errors you helped fix [08:08] update sees what is available [08:08] upgrade fetches what the pc needs [08:09] I'm confused , what is the 20mb one Upgrade or Update ? [08:09] the do sudo apt-get update that was at 9.45 [08:09] the was meant to be then [08:10] update [08:10] Thats what i am doing now [08:10] ok let that run through [08:11] it shouldnt fetch and install stuff [08:11] it just sees what is available [08:12] and the 20m is to put that info in your synaptic and update manager [08:13] If it wont fetch and install stuff , why let it waste data [08:13] I'm gona disconnect the modem [08:14] because you need that info so you can see stuff in synaptic [08:15] its not wasted [08:16] and info about additional drivers [08:17] with windows you buy cds to install the extra programs you need [08:17] ubuntu downloads them [08:17] ai! [08:19] and now? [08:20] disconnected [08:22] I'm confused, dunno whats what here. Got a headache from this fan noise [08:25] did it finished apt-get update? [08:25] relax and take 10 deep breathes [08:26] just remember linux is completely different to windows [08:26] Nope i pulled the plug [08:26] so forget or put aside everything you use to do on windows and learn the linux way of doing things [08:27] just remember when it is busy installing dont pull the plug you will crash it because of some half installed package [08:28] did you take 10 deep breaths? [08:28] tell me when you have [08:28] I'm used to knowing the size of whatever i'm installing. [08:28] you will [08:29] if you install anything in synaptic it first tells you how much it needs to download before you accept [08:29] Why will it crash, ubuntu should delete the old downloded stuff and load the new ones like any other OS [08:29] forget used to for starters [08:30] its like with windows when there is a registry file missing because of a bad install or something [08:30] ok [08:30] write down this command [08:30] What now [08:30] sudo touch /forcefsck [08:31] write it down [08:31] ok [08:31] if something isnt running lekker then you do that command and reboot and ubuntu does a file system check to fix the errors [08:32] same as chkdsk [08:33] ok now go mow someones lawn or something so you can make some bucks and get more data [08:34] That command does nothing [08:34] see you must listen [08:35] I thought you meant type it in terminal [08:36] yes thats right [08:36] but i told you on rebooting it will check [08:37] that command is now in the memory so will run on reboot [08:37] Oh i thought it will automatically reboot [08:37] no [08:37] So now i reboot [08:37] to make the pc reboot you can type in sudo reboot [08:37] you dont have to now [08:38] everything is working still [08:38] ok, anyway i downloaded ubuntu-tweak last night [08:38] for interests sake you can open update manager and it will tell you how many megs are needed and what it will upgrade [08:39] I want a Xubuntu type theme, or old gnome 2 type theme [08:39] you can do that in synaptic by install [08:39] um [08:39] lemme see [08:39] I hate this transparent theme [08:40] i dont know what that is [08:40] you can most likely change it in system settings [08:41] I mean i hate the transparency effect and glowing icons in the base unity theme [08:41] Animations too [08:41] Nope i cant change it there [08:41] hi henkj_ [08:42] Maaz, google how to turn off animations in 12.04 [08:42] Kilos: "12.04 - disable animation - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/152392/disable-animation :: "How to disable all Unity animations? - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/138622/how-to-disable-all-unity-animations :: "12.04 - How to change the level of animation in Ubuntu 12.10? - Ask ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/211300/how-to-change-the- [08:42] level-of-animation-in-ubuntu-12-10 :: "How to Disable GTK Animations in Ubuntu 12.04.1 - S… [08:42] ok thanks [08:43] you can install xubuntu-desktop but thats gonna be many megs [08:44] over 100 im sure [08:44] 301 [08:45] thats a completely differnt gui [08:45] lol, compiz are for the 3D unity. I dont want that [08:45] Yes i wanted Xubuntu [08:46] A basic windows xp style UX is all i want [08:46] 301m download and it will install there and you can choose which one to boot from [08:47] with ubuntu you can install a few different guis and choose at boot time which one [08:47] Can it be compressed in a zip to say 150mb ? [08:48] it is already zipped [08:48] okay [08:48] installing does the extraction andinstall [08:48] Which GUIS are there to choose from [08:50] kubuntu xubuntu lubuntu [08:51] but around 300m download for each one [08:51] And all .deb programs will work with Xubuntu [08:51] yes [08:51] Good [08:52] Will try to get my hands on Xubuntu then in a month or two [08:52] first try disable animation and the transparecies things and give unity a fait trial [08:52] fair [08:53] they say one can only disable animations in some file in ubuntu then that file has to be recomplied to make the changes permanent [08:53] you like someone that has a fiat and buys a ferrari but then wants to buy something else immediately because you arent used to it [08:54] what animations do you see? [08:54] lol true [08:54] The dash animations and window and workspaces animations [08:55] plus the icons animations [08:55] those show you what is working at the moment [08:55] or what needs attention [08:55] if one starts flashing go see whats happening there [08:56] it means something [08:56] Why cant it just flash in a different color instead of having to move the world [08:56] lol [08:56] maybe they can be changed some i havent bothered [08:57] No luck in the forums on that [08:57] i hated unity to start with but after setting my mind to give it a fair trial for 2 weeks i started enjoying it [08:58] So i want a basic theme i can install using ubuntu-tweak [08:58] i dont use that tweak [08:58] you need to read up on it [08:58] but be careful just changing lots of stuff at once [08:59] do one thing at a time [09:00] i go cut hair quick [09:00] I already registered at http://gnome-look.org , lots of themes there but dunno a theme thats similar to Xubuntu like [09:00] Okay take care [10:21] back on win 98 to make a bootable floppy with 2tb firmware [10:43] Maaz, coffee on [10:43] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [10:47] Coffee's ready for Kilos! [10:48] Maaz, ty [10:48] You are welcome Kilos [10:49] Wb Kilos , how was the hair cut [10:50] ty. all gone! beard moustache and everything [10:51] Haha , you feel like a new man now [10:51] nearly [10:52] Its good to freshen up every now and then . Does wonders for the soul [10:52] lol [10:54] Well i will always feel like crap until Xubuntu i hope calms this lappies heat [10:54] and with win7 it didnt get hot as well? [10:55] find that hard to believe [10:55] 12.04 runs better here than win7 [10:55] dont forget you havent got the graphics drivers yet [10:56] so no benefit from graphics memory [10:56] Only the fan blew a bit fast , but not produce as much heat as ubutnu does, the heat is insane [10:57] I dont think graphics drivers will work [10:57] run additional in dash and see what is available [10:57] might be more than just graphics needed [10:58] It found drivers [10:59] give me the file names let me see if they in the repos and how big they are [11:01] ok [11:02] ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver [11:03] ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver (post-release updates) [11:04] 3D-accelerated proprietary graphics driver for ATI cards. [11:04] This driver is required to fully utilise the 3D potential of some ATI graphics cards, as well as provide 2D acceleration of newer cards. [11:06] i dont see them [11:06] Maaz, google ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver for 12.04 [11:06] Kilos: "BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Community Ubuntu Documentation" https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI :: "12.04 - Cannot install "ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics driver ..." http://askubuntu.com/questions/193140/cannot-install-ati-amd-proprietary-fglrx-graphics-driver-systemerror :: "ati - FLGRX (AMD Catalyst) driver issues in Ubuntu 12.04 - [11:06] Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/142627/flgrx-amd-catalyst-driver-issues-in-ubunt… [11:06] Thats what is shows [11:07] the best is always to let the additional tool do the work [11:07] getting stuff from sites often causes probs [11:08] normally the additional tools thing doesnt try an install and fail [11:08] but i cant see the size for you sorry [11:09] Damn, i wanted the size [11:09] most likely 100m or so [11:10] or even bigger [11:10] ok [11:11] I see fglrx in synaptics but no ATI with it [11:12] fglrx-updates is 51 meg [11:12] you should see sizes there [11:14] if you tick on the file you get readout below of what it does [11:16] looks like ati are still developing lots of stuff [11:30] Damn, i cant even run java apps, ubuntu crashes [11:31] they arent installed or you have something that runs them not installed [11:31] look in synaptic at java stuff [11:32] Open JDK was preinstalled. It opened my java app but then fan blew crazier than ever and ubuntu crashed [11:32] must use jdk stuff [11:33] Java runtime should'nt be so intense , even windows runs them smoothly [11:34] Yeah i used it [11:34] your system isnt properly upgraded yet [11:34] that first upgrade will change lots and run faster too [11:35] but i dont know how to help you with data [11:36] Will i have this headaches in Xubuntu aswell ? [11:37] This is crap i want windows back [11:38] If i knew about this adsl nonsense i would never have done this [11:38] you will need to do sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade with all of them [11:39] go to a windows chanel and see if one of them will send you a dvd [11:39] That sucks [11:39] I need to find a windows 7 cd somewhere [11:40] None of them are in SA [11:40] ah [11:41] haha you can laugh i dont mind [11:42] who is laughing [11:42] if i had an income id buy you some airtime [11:43] Nope, network cuts out here , airtime wont help [11:43] airtime gets data [11:44] The modem cuts out the connection i will lose anything i was downloading [11:44] no man then you can get upgraded [11:45] ubuntu makes allowances for modem cuts [11:45] Whats allowances [11:46] to continue the download again where left off [11:46] oh [11:47] Well i will rather do that with Xubuntu than Ubuntu. Atleast i will know i'm in a less graphics intensive environment [11:48] the xubuntu-desktop adds the gui. everything else is the same [11:48]