[03:26] <xubuntu381> about how long does it take to install nvidia drivers?
[03:26] <delt> 3 weeks - 1 month
[03:27] <delt> jk.... what are nvidia drivers?
[03:27] <xubuntu381> at the rate its going i would say at least 1 day
[03:27] <holstein> xubuntu381: not long.. depending on network speed..
[03:27] <holstein> xubuntu381: maybe 3 to 15 minutes
[03:27] <xubuntu381> it says applying changes
[03:27] <holstein> !nvidia | delt
[03:27] <ubottu> delt: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VideoDriverHowto
[03:28] <xubuntu381> does applying changes mean its been downloaded and installed
[03:28] <holstein> xubuntu381: what is saying what exactly?
[03:28] <xubuntu381> software updates windows additional drivers
[03:29] <xubuntu381> i am trying to install proprietary drivers
[03:29] <holstein> xubuntu381: i always refer to the link above
[03:29] <holstein> !info nvidia-current
[03:29] <ubottu> nvidia-current (source: nvidia-graphics-drivers-304): Transitional package for nvidia-current. In component restricted, is optional. Version 304.88-0ubuntu8 (saucy), package size 4 kB, installed size 34 kB (Only available for i386; amd64; lpia)
[03:32] <xubuntu381> so you do not use proprietary graphics drivers
[03:32] <holstein> xubuntu381: i do if i need them
[03:33] <xubuntu381> i looked at the list of compatible cards but did not see mine
[03:33] <holstein> xubuntu381: nvidia may not provide support for you r card in linux
[03:33] <xubuntu381> gtx 660 ti
[03:33] <holstein> xubuntu381: you can just try it.. as long as you are comfortable setting it up, and blowing out the xorg.conf
[03:34] <xubuntu381> blowing out sounds dangerous
[03:34] <holstein> xubuntu381: its not
[03:35] <holstein> xubuntu381: you will run the nvidia tool which will put an xorg.conf in place that will specify the proprietary driver. if you reboot and that doesnt work, you should konw how to go in from a live CD, and remove that
[03:35] <holstein> or boot a recovery kernel and remove it and the driver
[03:37] <holstein> xubuntu381: i see nothing in my searching that makes me think that card is not supported
[03:38] <holstein> xubuntu381: this is not necessarily something you should try, since you are not having this issue, but it does make me think the driver will work http://askubuntu.com/questions/283789/nvidia-driver-for-geforce-gtx-660
[04:21] <keith_> I'm trying to add software and starting the 'ubuntu software centre' results in a blank window never loading.  Am I doing this wrong?
[04:24] <keith_> Ok, thanks guys.  I'll try another distro then.  If you want people to use your distro it might help if the software update program actually worked!
[04:28] <keith_> hello?
[09:12] <peyam> hi
[09:12] <peyam> hi
[09:13] <peyam> I want to dowload some theme for my xubuntu 13.04
[09:13] <peyam> but some of them dont work
[09:13] <peyam> what s the deal?
[09:14] <baizon> peyam: they have to support both gtk2 and gtk3
[09:14] <peyam> both?
[09:14] <peyam> why both?
[09:15] <peyam> baizon, this one didnt work for me
[09:15] <peyam> http://www.deviantart.com/art/FFUU-for-XFWM4-260404724
[09:16] <Sysi> peyam: did you put it to /usr/share/themes or /home/$USER/.themes ?
[09:17] <peyam> share
[09:17] <peyam> and user
[09:17] <peyam> both
[09:17] <peyam> it does work but it leaves a little space from the previouse theme
[09:17] <peyam> so it give two colors that dont match
[09:18] <Sysi> you can try logging out and back in, but if it doesn't work after that you need to contact the creator of the theme
[09:19] <peyam> tried all of it but didnt work. no problem. there are other themes
[09:22] <xubuntu467> Hey guys. One recommendation - try using ubuntu regular, size 9 for your system default in xubuntu.
[09:23] <peyam> yes. thats what I do
[09:23] <peyam> I use terminus size 8 for terminal
[09:23] <xubuntu467> it seems as everything falls in it's right place in xfce that way :D
[09:33] <peyam> yes
[10:38] <mautog1> theres any body there how to update my kernel if im using ndiswrapper driver?
[10:39] <recon_lap> xubuntu is messing up it's sessions and creating unusable sessions, it occasionally seems to leave windows open without control bars which make the GUI unusable, clearing out the sessions atm. think it has something to do with multi able screens and screen size.
[10:41] <recon_lap> mautog1: been a while, but what type of problems are you having updating kernel?
[10:42] <mautog1> i have trouble updating my kernel because of ndiswrapper driver
[10:43] <recon_lap> mautog1: you mean that ndiswrapper stops working after you update you kernel ?
[10:45] <mautog1> can i update my kernel if im using ndiswrapper or not?
[10:45] <cfhowlett> mautog1, first define the "trouble" you're having
[10:46] <recon_lap> mautog1: years ago I use to compile and update my own kernal, so sure you could, but are you up to the job :)
[10:53] <recon_lap> anyways, can you remove broken saved session from the gui?
[11:04] <recon_lap> well, going to logout and see if there are gone!!
[11:08] <recon_lap> just on a side note, my xubuntu install has a habit of locking up requiring a hard reboot, never been able to get any clue as to why this happens. anyone got suggestions?
[11:55] <xubuntu101> good morning
[11:55] <xubuntu101> i have a desktop with xp and the latest xubunto iso on dvd
[11:55] <xubuntu101> how do i install xubunto
[11:57] <bekks> !dualboot
[11:57] <ubottu> Dual boot instructions: x86/AMD64: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DualBoot/Windows - Macs: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBookPro https://help.ubuntu.com/community/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot
[12:08]  * cfhowlett wonders why he'd need to dual boot an all but dead WindowsXP but "Good luck with that."
[13:32] <alfatau> hello all. I just installed a fresh Xubuntu 13.10 64bit. How to choose the screensaver? I found this tutorial (https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu) which tells i should find a setting-manager widget to do the task. However, i've no screensaver section in settings-manager. Can you help me? thank you in advance.
[15:05] <nikolam> what kernel should I use, to stop machine going to a halt if some app is gone crazy? (like vlc is tonig for me currently on 12.04 LTS 32bit)
[15:06] <nikolam> I started logging in in Console and via ssh to machine and it's been 15 minutes waiting for command prompt now
[15:06] <nikolam> with large disk usage...
[15:08] <nikolam> geat multitasking , one might say...
[15:08]  * nikolam pulling he's hair off
[15:18] <nikolam> oh it was actually gmusicbrowser, that killed my machine, probably started on right click on dozen of mp3 files
[15:25] <elfy> well, I'm not able to tell you if a different kernel would make much difference - but when I've let gmb loose on the 36k of music files here I've been perfectly able to carry on doing other things
[15:43] <nikolam> well, here it blocked machine.
[15:44] <nikolam> after being able to kill it, everything sort of backed to normal
[15:45] <nikolam> I sort of remember there is soem sort of app or setting, to reserver some portion of cpu etc, for management and not give everything to apps, but Ii sort of don't remember anymore
[16:30] <peyam> what do u think about this? http://s27.postimg.org/suqeww89v/Peyaam.png
[16:58] <jimco> is xubuntu officially supported by canonical?
[16:58] <bekks> yes.
[16:59] <Myrtti> eh
[16:59] <Myrtti> what do you mean by "officially supported by canonical", exactly?
[17:00] <jimco> Ubuntu - Unity + XFCE = Xubuntu
[17:01] <Myrtti> do you mean if Canonical offers customer support for Xubuntu users? or if Xubuntu development is supported by Canonical? or what?
[17:01] <jimco> um official derivative, security patches ,etc
[17:02] <jimco> like they say remix version is not officially supported
[17:02] <Myrtti> Canonical has no hired personnel doing development for specifically XFCE/Xubuntu as far as I know
[17:02] <pleia2> it's an official flavor, but all that means is that canonical holds the trademarks and we work with the Ubuntu release team to test, spin up and release the ISOs
[17:02] <jimco> Myrtti, well the dev part
[17:02] <pleia2> other than that it's community supported
[17:03] <Myrtti> security patches are supplied by canonical to bits that xubuntu shares with the mothership
[17:03] <jimco> actually even i;m confused by the term "Officially Supported"
[17:04] <pleia2> jimco: can you point to where "they say" a remix isn't supported?
[17:04] <jimco> and is xfapplet no longer available?
[17:04] <jimco> wanted to use global menu
[17:05] <pleia2> typically with remixes they add their own packages outside the ubuntu archive entirely, with xubuntu all the software is in it
[17:05] <pleia2> xfapplet is in the xfce4-goodies package
[17:06] <Sysi> indicator-appmenu should still work
[17:08] <Sysi> ..or has gtk3 broken that too
[17:08] <jimco> pleia2, http://www.webupd8.org/2012/10/prefer-gnome-shell-download-ubuntu.html
[17:09] <pleia2> jimco: ah, the gnome remix is now an official flavor as well (that article is pretty old)
[17:09] <jimco> was looking in the debian repos couldn't find it anywhere
[17:10] <pleia2> you want to look in the ubuntu repos
[17:10] <pleia2> (unless you are using debian, in which case you're in the wrong channel)
[17:11] <jimco> pleia2, well i'm settling for xubuntu anyway i have a core2duo @2.2ghz with 2gb ddr2 ram going for amd64, all ok?
[17:12] <jimco> nah but i have  #! running but the q was for saucy
[17:12] <pleia2> should work fine
[17:14] <jimco> what kind of performance boost will i get on this crappy vaio? though core2 has em64t will i get any benefit?
[17:16] <pleia2> that's a pretty subjective question, you should give it a try and find out if it works for you :)
[17:17] <xubuntu_> sorry wifi issues so any benefit?
[17:17] <kohu> pleia2: sorry, but may i ask if you guys have any idea how many people use Xubuntu? (number of downloads, updates of xubuntu-base, anything, guesstimate?)
[17:18] <pleia2> kohu: no idea, there are mirrors all over the world so there are no centralized stats
[17:20] <kohu> oh, just one more :) the new panel indicators that will be in 14.04, they're pretty much the same as in unity? Will there be a cloud indicator for ubuntu one available also?
[17:21] <pleia2> kohu: I don't know about the first question, and the second isn't a goal, so if it works it may be incidental
[17:22] <kohu> thanks, pleia2:!
[20:06] <amari> Hi, does anyone use this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/+archive/xfce-4.12 ? Is it safe and stable?
[20:07] <elfy> Please note that these are pre-release versions, which may contain annoying bugs and/or crash. Use them at your own risk.
[20:07] <elfy> is what it says
[20:08] <amari> elfy: Yea I know but I would like to know if those packages work fine because I like to have some recent packages :)
[20:09] <bekks> If you like running bleeding edge software, it doesnt matter wether it is stable :P
[20:09] <elfy> amari: well - I have it here - but then I'm testing a bunch of stuff for 14.04
[20:09] <elfy> bekks: +1 to that
[20:10] <holstein> "bugs and crash".. if thats fine for your needs, then its fine
[20:10] <elfy> amari: and if you get issues - you might well be stuck getting support if it does give you issues
[20:11] <amari> elfy: Thanks, it seems then it is for more adventurous :) I will stay with the default stack then
[20:13] <amari> elfy: I assume 4.11 might come with 14.04 by default then?
[20:52] <Aurum_> I installed Xubunto 13.10 and it upgraded to 13.11 but I cannot reboot. I see a blue screen with Xubuntu and the rotating arc only went a few degrees and stopped.
[20:52] <pleia2> 13.11 does not exist, 13.10 was the last release, what exactly did you do?
[20:55] <Aurum_> I installed 13.10 x86_64 and it asked to update and loaded ~262 files. Then it asked to upgrade and that's when I think it loaded 13.11. Then:
[20:55] <Aurum_> sudo apt-get install fglrx-updates fglrx-amdcccle-updates fglrx-updates-dev
[20:56] <Aurum_> It recognized my Radeon HD 5970 2 gpus. I shutdown to add a second 5970 card and it stalls at the welcome blue screen.
[20:56] <Aurum_> sudo aticonfig --lsa (Is where it read my card.)
[20:58] <Aurum_> I believe it rebooted after the updates & upgrades and that worked fine. It's after DLing the amd driver that it will not boot.
[21:04] <Linnna> Hi, Is there anyone who knows remastersys well?
[21:07] <resizt0r> i am having a problem with dvd styler on a fresh install
[21:07] <resizt0r> it wont open
[21:12] <alfatau> hello all. I just installed a fresh Xubuntu 13.10 64bit. How to choose the screensaver? I found this tutorial (https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/first-xubuntu) which tells i should find a setting-manager widget to do the task. However, i've no screensaver section in settings-manager. Can you help me? thank you in advance.
[21:12] <wabbla> resizt0r: do you get any output when you call it from command line?
[21:12] <resizt0r> yeah
[21:12] <resizt0r> hold on i'll get it
[21:13] <resizt0r> ok this is first error, when the language dialog comes up
[21:13] <resizt0r> Xlib:  extension "RANDR" missing on display ":0.0".
[21:13] <resizt0r> i'll need to pastebin the next error
[21:13] <resizt0r> after picking language
[21:14] <resizt0r> http://pastebin.com/5nhcEgQe
[21:15] <resizt0r> im using Ubuntu Studio which came with it pre-installed.. but its running xfce and nobody seems to be available to help in the ubuntustudio channel
[21:18] <brainwash> alfatau: you choose the screensaver by installing one and making sure that it runs in the background (if needed), small changes in /usr/bin/xflock4 might be also needed
[21:19] <brainwash> alfatau: xscreensaver is installed by default and should be configurable via settings manager > Screensaver
[21:20] <wabbla> resizt0r: hmm, strange error, I'm not familiar with DVD Styler or Ubuntu Studio, I can't help you there.
[21:31] <Aurum_> Anyone know a magic keystoke to get Xbuntu 13.10 to boot???
[21:31] <kRush> press power button?
[21:31] <kRush> *shrug*
[21:31] <resizt0r> lol
[21:32] <resizt0r> probably a bootloader problem
[21:32] <resizt0r> i had a problem with the 13.10 install
[21:32] <resizt0r> i had to boot a liveusb, install boot-repair (you can find directions at the ubuntu forums), and fix the bootloader
[21:32] <Aurum_> Tried the power button a dozen times and tried reset.
[21:34] <Aurum_> resizt0r, I'll try that.
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