[00:04] <Strav> valorie: I'm building using the kdesrc-build script. I guess it's pulling the sources from git.
[00:04] <Strav> valorie: as you suggested, I went to kde-devel and nepomuk-kde for this issue but got no response so far.
[00:05] <Strav> (Here's the issue I'm having: http://pastebin.com/3tVqKamb (line 62))
[00:07] <valorie> do you have the soprano-devel packages installed?
[00:07] <valorie> !info soprano
[00:07] <valorie> pfff
[00:08] <valorie> hmmm
[00:08] <valorie> apt-cache search doesn't find it either
[00:08] <Strav> valorie: I have libsoprano-dev installed as well as libsoprano4 and soprano-daemon...
[00:09] <valorie> ok
[00:09] <Strav> (at the very least, I believe your apt-cache should list them)
[00:09] <valorie> one would think so
[00:09] <Strav> You have kde-backports enabled?
[00:09] <valorie> yes
[00:10] <Strav> and you don't have those packages?
[00:10] <valorie> I got an empty answer
[00:10] <valorie> which is odd
[00:10] <valorie> I just updated this machine today
[00:10] <Strav> hmmm. let me see what's their origin on my machine.
[00:10] <valorie> ooooo, maybe I don't have backports on this box
[00:10] <valorie> hmmmm
[00:11] <Strav> origin: ubuntu main
[00:12]  * valorie updates again
[00:13] <valorie> lots and lots of libs
[00:14] <Strav> for soprano you mean?
[00:15] <valorie> no, just added backports and am updating
[00:15] <Strav> ok
[00:15] <valorie> when it's done I'll check again
[00:16] <valorie> meanwhile: your build folder is new?
[00:16] <valorie> in other words, have you built before and been successful, but now are unsuccessful?
[00:17] <Strav> nope. Brand new build folder. I succeeded in compiling most kde modules except nepomuk-core and kderuntime (which also seems to depend on soprano)
[00:19] <Strav> One odd thing is that nepomuk-widgets build correctly but also depends on soprano. My guess is that there are some soprano plugins that I might be missing.
[00:20] <valorie> I'm no expert on building from source, although I do it almost daily for amarok
[00:21] <valorie> and have done it for phonon and its backends
[00:21] <valorie> but that is nothing like building KDE
[00:22] <valorie> any particular reason you are building KDE modules?
[00:22] <Strav> np :) I try to get a response from #nepomuk-kde or #kde-dev.
[00:23] <Strav> Yes. I wish to write a small fix for the Solid library (of course I don't need to build all of KDE for this but I in case I wanted to fiddle with some more of it, I though it might be a good thing to try).
[00:23] <valorie> cool
[00:23] <valorie> I think both of those chans are worth asking in, and waiting around for
[00:23] <valorie> which at this time of day is almost guaranteed
[00:24] <valorie> most of the devels will be in Europe
[00:24] <valorie> and it will be Sunday morning there
[00:24] <Strav> Yep. I'll check back in a few. Thanks again for your time it's very appreciated!
[00:26] <Strav> (and actually, my fix to Solid is directed at an Amarok issue I belive I told you before... regarding the indexing of autofs mounted collections - and Amarok re-indexing the whole thing each time the connection is lost). Turns out Solid forgets about autofs mounted location each time they're disconnected (while it should list them and set "accessible" to false).
[00:28] <Strav> ... Would also be nice if there was a config gui for autofs. IMHO, it's pretty much the best auto mounting solution available for linux (one that doesn't hang your file explorer if the connection is suddenly lost). But I find very few people are aware of it.
[00:30] <valorie> I am/was not
[00:30] <valorie> but thank you very much for trying to fix the bug
[00:42] <Estersios> what is KDE paste?
[00:46] <valorie> you mean the URL?
[00:46] <valorie> http://paste.kde.org
[00:48] <Estersios> _dizzy: yes
[01:17] <amundsen> hi
[01:18] <amundsen> which is the kde version in kubuntu now? has it been updated to 4.11.5 ?
[01:24] <tsimpson> 4.11.3 in Saucy, 4.12.0 in Trusty (development branch) and the Kubuntu Backports PPA for Saucy
[04:38] <denysonique> If I choose the Oxygen theme after logout all my Qt apps are using gtk-oxygen instead of native oxygen
[05:58] <denysonique> ok I somehow fixed that
[05:58] <denysonique> but how can I get the kde globalmenu work for GTK apps as well
[05:58] <denysonique> I remember it used to work before
[06:53] <claycorn2> hello
[07:00] <baker> hallow
[08:47] <mr_crabs> moin
[09:20] <keops> hola
[10:44] <James0r> trying to install mplayer but getting broken packages i can't resolve with synaptic
[10:45] <James0r> here's my error http://dpaste.com/1547710/
[11:30] <RealNWO> kubuntu is better than ubuntu
[12:04] <Dzz> hi guys
[12:05] <Dzz> i;ve got problem. after 2 weeks of offline i wanted to start my Lubuntu 12.04 but got problem during booting:
[12:05] <Dzz> "no suitable module for running kernel found [fail]"
[12:05] <Dzz> any ideas what could happen?
[12:06] <Dzz> i can boot into console, lan works, internet works
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Dzz, have you tried upating and upgrading ?
[12:09] <Dzz> tried sudo do-release-upgrade but it said no new release found
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Dzz, no , i mean sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade , your packages might upgrading no the OS
[12:11] <BluesKaj> not the OS
[12:12] <Dzz> just did it
[12:12] <Dzz> the following packages have unmet dependencies
[12:13] <Dzz> libgl1-mesa-dev-lts-quantal : depends : libdrm-dev (>=2.4.24)
[12:13] <Dzz> mesa-common-dev-lts-quantal : depends: libdrm-dev
[12:14] <Dzz> e: unmet dependencies.
[12:16] <BluesKaj> Dzz, are you using a proprietary graphics driver or one from a ppa source ?
[12:16] <Dzz> prop
[12:16] <Dzz> i've got some standart grafics card on my motherboard.
[12:17] <Dzz> just tried to load from live cd kubuntu 11.04 and it booted ok
[12:18] <BluesKaj> Dzz, in order to upgrade to the next kubuntu version you have to turn off the LTS only upgrade in the upgrade manager
[12:19] <BluesKaj> or update manager
[12:19] <Dzz> how to do that from console?
[12:20] <BluesKaj> Dzz, do you have separate / and /home partitions ?
[12:20] <Dzz> same, on one hdd
[12:24] <BluesKaj> ok Dzz , run this command , then reboot , and try updating and upgrading your packages , sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends libgl1-mesa-dev-lts-quantal
[12:28] <Dzz> ok will try now
[12:50] <Dzz> BluesKaj, same problem. it stays with black screen
[12:51] <Dzz> not black but with some trash like it was trying to switch modes and frozen
[12:57] <BluesKaj> ok have you tried nomodeset in /etc/default/grub , use nano to edit in the console
[12:57] <BluesKaj> !nomodeset
[12:57] <BluesKaj> Dzz,^
[13:00] <BluesKaj> Dzz, GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash nomodeset"
[13:04] <Dzz> no i haven't. will do that now
[13:09] <Dzz> BluesKaj, same problem. stays on corrupted screen
[13:11] <BluesKaj> Dzz, corrupted ?
[13:11] <Dzz> i mean black screen with trash
[13:11] <BluesKaj> trash , what kind of trash , text or graphics or ?
[13:12] <Dzz> partically grey and some blue and green periodical lines
[13:13] <Dzz> partially, i mean
[13:15] <BluesKaj> did you do sudo upgate-grub after editing /etc/default/grub ?
[13:21] <Dzz> just did it via grub menu -> grub update
[13:24] <Dzz> it loaded into graphics mode, grey screen with big gear on it. and frozen.
[13:25] <BluesKaj> rebooted?
[13:25] <Dzz> yes
[13:26] <BluesKaj> ok , can you get to the virtual console an install mesa-utils
[13:26] <Dzz> 5 dots were blinking and then became grey and it stays on place. however when i pressed alt-ctrl-del it rebooted.
[13:27] <Dzz> will try now
[13:37] <Dzz> tried apt-get install mesa-utils and got error unmet dependencies
[13:37] <Dzz> libavahi-client3, libavahi-common3, libglu1-mesa, libpixman-1-0...
[13:42] <BluesKaj> Dzz, then i recommend a reinstall, this doesn't look promising
[13:43] <Dzz> yeah, seems to be the best way. i wonder what could happen because last time i was booting it two weeks ago there were no problems
[13:44] <Dzz> how to reinstall it with keeping all my current settings on desktop? widjets, notes, and so on
[13:50] <Dzz> huh, tried autoclean and dpkg repair via grub menu and rebooted several times and finally it booted
[13:50] <Dzz> but with low resolution kinda 800[600
[13:52] <BluesKaj> ok , perhaps a graphics driver upgrade is in order
[13:52] <BluesKaj> addtional drivers
[13:52] <James0r> wow i'm unable to even post a question on kubuntuforums. feeling very useless right now
[13:53] <James0r> what does "An error has occurred James0r! You must have 1 posts in order to post links. Your current post count is 0." mean?
[13:53] <James0r> does that mean I have to respond to someone else's post before posting my own question?
[13:54] <James0r> not sure what it means by "link". i have no "links" in my post
[13:54] <BluesKaj> James0r, what's your issue with kubuntu first of all?
[13:55] <James0r> trying to install mplayer, have an unmet dependency
[13:55] <James0r> tried using apt-get install -f and i'm getting this --> http://dpaste.com/1547841/
[13:56] <daemongnome> have installed kde connect
[13:57] <daemongnome> just installed kde connect a coupe of days ago, now when i get a text message it comes up in my notifications
[13:57] <BluesKaj> James0r, I have to ask , have you updated/upgraded packages lately?
[13:58] <James0r> BluesKaj: yeah pretty often
[14:00] <BluesKaj> James0r, ok , try sudo dpkg --configure -a
[14:01] <James0r> BluesKaj: okay done.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> now , sudo dpkg --clear-avail
[14:02] <James0r> BluesKaj: okay.
[14:02] <BluesKaj> ok update and upgrade
[14:04] <BluesKaj> and prhaps a dist-upgrade, there's anew kernel available which might upgrade the kernel modules
[14:04] <James0r> BluesKaj: okay updating now. not sure if it's a big deal but a couple launchpad lines come bcak 404 error when i update
[14:05] <BluesKaj> James0r, those are repos sources, do have ppas ?
[14:05] <James0r> BluesKaj: not sure i totally get the difference. would ppas be repos i add after install?
[14:07] <James0r> BluesKaj: ok updated and upgraded. no new packages installed
[14:07] <James0r> BluesKaj: or upgraded
[14:07] <BluesKaj> yes , most launchpad repos are ppas , check in /etc/apt/sources.list.d
[14:08] <James0r> BluesKaj: yeah i have a few
[14:09] <James0r> BluesKaj: some i added for cairo-dock, conky, qwinff and a couple others looks like
[14:09] <BluesKaj> James0r, ok , one of those could also be the source of your dependency troubles
[14:09] <James0r> BluesKaj: http://dpaste.com/1547877/
[14:10] <BluesKaj> mplayer should install without dependency probs
[14:10] <James0r> BluesKaj: yeah at some point all hell broke loose with dependency problems. it might have been around the qwinff install time
[14:11] <James0r> BluesKaj: should i delete the qwinff list files and update+upgrade?
[14:12] <BluesKaj> it might work , dunno\
[14:12] <James0r> BluesKaj: okay. i'll give it a shot.
[14:15] <James0r> BluesKaj: gonna have to save this one for another night. thanks anyway for your help
[14:16] <BluesKaj> James0r, ffmpeg does the same job as qwinff
[14:17] <BluesKaj> qwinff could be the source of your problem
[15:47] <zorgborg> does anyone know if start up disk creator program is suitable for extracting win7 iso file to disc? (yes i have a legit copy)
[15:56] <BluesKaj> zorgborg, for dual boot?
[15:57] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: yes, i already have kubuntu on my laptop ofc, need to put win7 back on to sell the laptop (eventually)
[15:58] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: got the empty disc space ready for it
[15:59] <BluesKaj> zorgborg, if you install windows normally you'll lose grub , but boot-repair can restore grub afterwards, I'm not familiar with the disk creator as far as windows is concerned
[16:00] <Poisoned_Dragon> zorgborg, extract iso to disk?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> boot repair is handy to have around btw
[16:01] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: ah didn't consider that, boot-repair as in just using partedmagic etc
[16:02] <BluesKaj> no, zorgborg  , boot-repair is an OS by itself for booting the boot-repair cd or usb
[16:02] <BluesKaj> !boot-repair
[16:03] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: oh right, hadn't heard of that, ta
[16:03] <Poisoned_Dragon> bot fail
[16:03] <BluesKaj> !info boot-repair
[16:03] <BluesKaj> hmm
[16:04] <BluesKaj> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[16:04] <zorgborg> Poisoned_Dragon: haven't tried extracting iso yet with start up creator, just wondering if it will put it's own little thing on the disk that might confuse windows (like it puts an exe and stuff when you extract a linux iso)
[16:05]  * Poisoned_Dragon is still confused.
[16:08] <BluesKaj> zorgborg, install windows to your NTFS partition, however windows will want to install to the first partition on the drive otherwise it will refuse to install , that's been my experience , usually /dev.sda
[16:08] <BluesKaj> err /dev/sda
[16:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> reelly? I never had windows complain that it had to be on the first partition.
[16:09] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: i have kubuntu at the end of my HDD, so im assuming win7 will have no problem installing as first partition
[16:09] <Poisoned_Dragon> In fact, OEM installs of Windows are usually on the second partition because the first is reserved for recovery.
[16:09] <BluesKaj> zorgborg, exactly
[16:10] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: thanks for reminding me that i have to format the empty space to NTFS tho, oops
[16:11] <BluesKaj> Poisoned_Dragon, yes, the windows installer will create the recovery partition iirc
[16:11] <Poisoned_Dragon> No, no... it doesn't.
[16:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm talking about OEM implementations of Windows.
[16:12] <Poisoned_Dragon> Retail installs just install. No option to create a recovery partition.
[16:13] <BluesKaj> well, that's been my experience anyway as long as the partiton is assigned /dev/sda
[16:14] <apb1963> Anyone know how to get java working on chrome?  I'm unable to get java to work.  kubuntu 12.04.3
[16:16] <zorgborg> okay scap that start up disk creator can't even open the win7 iso file....
[16:16] <zorgborg> apb1963: tried installing icedtea plugin?
[16:16] <apb1963> zorgborg: yes
[16:17] <BluesKaj> Poisoned_Dragon, my w7 version is a legit corporate version that my daughter gave me, so it may act differently to OEMs
[16:18] <zorgborg> apb1963: got all it's dependencies/openjdk environment?
[16:18] <Poisoned_Dragon> Corporate version, eh? Gotta research that one.
[16:18] <BluesKaj> apb1963, did you install kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[16:18] <apb1963> zorgborg: I don't know... how do I check?
[16:19] <Poisoned_Dragon> BluesKaj, W7 Enterprise?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> apb1963, just try to install it or look in muon
[16:19] <apb1963> BluesKaj: I don't remember... I can try that now?
[16:19] <zorgborg> apb1963: go to muon package manager or synaptic
[16:19] <BluesKaj> Poisoned_Dragon, no , Ultimate
[16:20] <apb1963> BluesKaj: installing kubuntu-restricted-extras now
[16:20] <apb1963> zorgborg:  are you talking about the same as BluesKaj?  Or..... what?
[16:20] <BluesKaj> apb1963, then you should be good to go, yo'll be asked to agree to terms
[16:21] <zorgborg> apb1963: yeh, just follow their instructions
[16:21] <BluesKaj> apb1963, muon, apt and software sources all use dpkg to install apps , they're just front ends for dpkg
[16:22] <apb1963> BluesKaj: is kubuntu-restricted-extras different than ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> apb1963, kubuntu-restricted-extras is for the KDE desktop
[16:23] <BluesKaj> on kubuntu
[16:23] <apb1963> BluesKaj: so than installing ubuntu-restricted-extras is either wrong or insufficient?
[16:23] <BluesKaj> if you're on ubuntu then it's ubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:24] <apb1963> isn't kubuntu just ubuntu using kde ?
[16:24] <apb1963> i'm still confused about that
[16:24] <BluesKaj> not exectly but close
[16:25] <apb1963> well i'm pretty sure I installed kubuntu-desktop
[16:25] <BluesKaj> apb1963, what desktop are you using?
[16:25] <apb1963> ^^
[16:26] <apb1963> pretty sure... but not positive
[16:26] <apb1963> actually I think i'm using plasma-desktop ??
[16:26] <apb1963> is there a way to be sure?
[16:27] <apb1963> man it's installing a TON of stuff
[16:28] <BluesKaj> yes, open a terminal ,  kde4-config --version
[16:28] <apb1963> Qt: 4.8.2
[16:28] <apb1963> KDE Development Platform: 4.12.0
[16:28] <apb1963> kde4-config: 1.0
[16:28] <BluesKaj> plasma-desktop is kde
[16:28] <apb1963> so I still don't know?
[16:29] <tarun> #join nitdgplug
[16:29] <BluesKaj> no you have kde
[16:29] <apb1963> and that's not kubuntu?
[16:31] <apb1963> no i'm pretty close to positive.... 99%... that I installed kubuntu-desktop...  I went back and made a list of all my installs using the output of history... and kubuntu-desktop is in there.
[16:31] <BluesKaj> yes it shoiuld be kubuntu if that's what your iso was when you installed the OS
[16:31] <apb1963> hmmm... I don't remember what my iso was... I should be able to find it... hang on.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> why do i get the feeling  my leg is being pulled here :)
[16:32] <apb1963> mini-i386-12.04.03.iso
[16:32] <apb1963> dunno... you have a cat or a dog?
[16:32] <apb1963> I used debootstrap to install that iso
[16:33] <BluesKaj> neither
[16:33] <apb1963> like I said... I went back and made a list out of all the apt-get installs I did... kubuntu-desktop is on that list
[16:34] <BluesKaj> apb1963, give us a screenshot of your desktop
[16:34] <apb1963> so, I have no idea what the heck I have... since you're telling me I have kde but not kubuntu.  Still confused over the distinction
[16:34] <apb1963> You mean with all my windows minimized?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> i did not say you don't have kubuntu , you said you aren't sure , all indications show that it's kubuntu
[16:36] <BluesKaj> which file manager do you have ?
[16:38] <apb1963> http://snag.gy/xN9uc.jpg
[16:38] <apb1963> I use dolphin from time to time... but most of the time I use the terminal...
[16:39] <apb1963>  <BluesKaj> no you have kde
[16:39] <BluesKaj> apb1963, where's your panel ?
[16:39] <apb1963> BluesKaj: what panel?  what do you mean?
[16:39] <BluesKaj> you have kde as well , the terminal command showed it
[16:40] <apb1963> oh you mean across the bottom? Not sure why it didn't show up... let me try again
[16:42] <apb1963> http://snag.gy/z2G6I.jpg  that's better
[16:42] <apb1963> I was doing "window under cursor" instead of "full screen" is why
[16:43] <apb1963> maybe this is why I have so many problems... I have both??
[16:46] <BluesKaj> do youn see a choice of desktops on the login page, but you do have kubuntu alright , see the "K" kicker , that's the KDE menu launcher
[16:46] <BluesKaj> no, you just haven't installed all the required plugis due to using the mini iso
[16:47] <apb1963> my choice of desktops is pretty small....  I stay logged in unless forced to reboot... so I don't recall off hand.  I could switch users and check?
[16:47] <apb1963> BluesKaj: there's more?
[16:47] <apb1963> doing another update now
[16:47] <Poisoned_Dragon> I thought the kubuntu-desktop meta packages it suppose to pull them in.
[16:47] <BluesKaj> apb1963, I don't know what you have and don't have
[16:48] <apb1963> it's bringing down Debian Base System Miscellaneous files right now... only 60K though.
[16:48] <BluesKaj> kubuntu-restricted-extras isn't included as default even on a full kubuntu iso install
[16:49] <BluesKaj> !kubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:50] <BluesKaj> darn bot just confuses things
[16:58] <apb1963> I have default, kde plasma workspace and failsafe
[16:59] <apb1963> And java crashed and my load shot up to 13
[16:59] <apb1963> when I pretended to switch users but then didn't.
[17:00] <apb1963> and then apport-kde failed to recognize the package
[17:00] <zorgborg> managed to extract win7 iso just fine with k3b, thanks for info guys
[17:01] <BluesKaj> zorgborg, now the fun starts :)
[17:01] <apb1963> load is back down to 0.60ish and seems to be working on reducing itself lower.... 0.45... .38...  32....
[17:01] <zorgborg> BluesKaj: yeh, dreading it when i get round to it!
[17:01] <apb1963> .27 ...
[17:02] <apb1963> etc :)
 do youn see a choice of desktops on the login page, but you do have kubuntu alright , see the "K" kicker , that's the KDE menu launcher  <<< this is why i'm confused... you say I have kubuntu but you tell me I have the KDE menu launcher and that kubuntu is not the same as kde.  I'm lost.
[17:06] <zorgborg> apb1963: kde is the graphical desktop environment of kubuntu, while plain ubuntu has gnome as its desktop environment (DE), hence the k in kubuntu
[17:08] <apb1963> zorgborg: so then kubuntu is ubuntu running kde
[17:10] <apb1963> in any event java on chrome still isn't working... and that's much more important to me
[17:13] <BluesKaj> apb1963, don't use chrome on linux , install chromium-browser
[17:13] <apb1963> here we go again.... I thought chrome and chromium-browser were the same?
[17:14] <BluesKaj> nope
[17:14] <apb1963> well, other than java... chrome seems to work.... although it does sometimes have load issues...
[17:15] <BluesKaj> !chromium-browser
[17:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> I use chrome with openjdk just fine.
[17:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> In fact, all my linux installs use Chrome with openjdk
[17:16] <zorgborg> Poisoned_Dragon: same here
[17:16] <apb1963>  does this link work for you guys?  http://www.pogo.com/games/chess?pageSection=ag_list1_pl_chess2#game:robots  Does the actual game come up?  or does it eventually fail with an oops?
[17:16] <apb1963> because mine fails
[17:16] <apb1963> which is what started this whole expedition
[17:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> lol, I don't have openjdk-jre on this laptop. lol
[17:17] <Poisoned_Dragon> How odd of me.
[17:18] <apb1963> what's even odder is now I'm not showing I have any java installed..  dpkg --list | grep jdk
[17:20] <apb1963> ok this shows grep java http://paste.ubuntu.com/6739697/
[17:20] <apb1963> although I could have sworn grep jre yesteday showed results
[17:20] <zorgborg> apb1963: asked me if i wanted to allow the site to run icedtea, trys to loads, then just says oops java is required blah blah
[17:20] <Poisoned_Dragon> apt-cache policy openjdk-7-jre
[17:21] <apb1963> zorgborg: so then it's not me??
[17:21] <zorgborg> but java stuff normally works fine for me in chrome
[17:21] <zorgborg> so might just be that game
[17:21] <apb1963> zorgborg: none of the java games work for me on that site
[17:21] <apb1963> openjdk-7-jre:
[17:21] <apb1963>   Installed: (none)
[17:21] <apb1963>   Candidate: 7u25-2.3.10-1ubuntu0.12.04.2
[17:22] <apb1963> but the java test site they point you to... does detect i'm running 7-45 or something
[17:22] <zorgborg> apb1963: try running this jmol of dna http://www.worldofmolecules.com/3D/dna_3d.htm see it that works
[17:22] <apb1963> ii  oracle-java7-installer                   7u45-0~webupd8~6                              Oracle Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 7
[17:24] <zorgborg> apb1963: might take a few seconds to load
[17:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> sudo update-alternatives --display java
[17:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> see which version is being offered.
[17:24] <apb1963> zorgborg: just getting a gray box... after giving permission
[17:25] <zorgborg> apb1963: yeh stick with it, i got a gray box for a fair few seconds
[17:25] <apb1963> Poisoned_Dragon: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6739727/
[17:27] <apb1963> zorgborg: well, I don't know if something happened between the gray box and now, but the end result is a black box with a little icon at the top of it.
[17:27] <Poisoned_Dragon> zorgborg, does icedtea work with oracle java?
[17:28] <zorgborg> Poisoned_Dragon: no idea, pretty sure im using openjdk
[17:28] <zorgborg> Poisoned_Dragon: don't really trust oracle java, assuming its diff from openjdk (it is isn't it?)
[17:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> openjdk is a distributable friendly version of Oracle java.
[17:29] <zorgborg> Poisoned_Dragon: yeh, ive got openjdk 6 installed
[17:29] <Poisoned_Dragon> Should be identical in function.
[17:29] <zorgborg> ah i see
[17:30] <BluesKaj> hmm , seems jav is no longer included in restricted-extras
[17:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> brb
[17:31] <not_found> I stopped using kubuntu some time ago because with 13.04/13.10 any install I do much of the numerical data in dolphin will show in numerals used in the uae where I am currently living and nothing I have found to change it back to the basic 1234567890 we normally use?  is this a knows issue and/or is there a fix?
[17:31] <Poisoned_Dragon> No... Now a days, you need to use the webupd8 ppa to get an easy install of oracle java.
[17:32] <Poisoned_Dragon> brb, gotta reboot.
[17:32] <zorgborg> ive got openjdk-6-jre-lib, openjdk-6-jre, openjdk-6-jre-headless, icedtea-6-plugin, icedtea-6-jre-jamvm and icedtea-6-jre-cacao installed
[17:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> Why not use openjdk-7?
[17:33] <Poisoned_Dragon> and icedtea-7
[17:34] <apb1963> now I'm getting the molecule... it only took forever.
[17:34] <zorgborg> apb1963: do you by any chance have a not-so powerful computer, hence why you installed the mini-iso?
[17:35] <apb1963> zorgborg: I installed the mini because I was using debootstrap
[17:35] <zorgborg> apb1963: no idea about that
[17:36] <apb1963> zorgborg: I didn't have a CD big enough to hold a full version... the biggest I had was 700MB and it wasn't big enough
[17:36] <apb1963> but the computer isn't so powerful either... it's a P4
[17:36] <zorgborg> i see
[17:37] <apb1963> and all of my flash whatchamacallits have live versions on them except for one that has some docs I need.
[17:37] <apb1963> where "all" is like... 2 I think
[17:37] <apb1963> no... 3
[17:38] <apb1963> yeah... 2 live flash cd's and 1 with docs
[17:39] <apb1963> got another website with java on it I can test against?
[17:40] <apb1963> the box went black again
[17:41] <BluesKaj> ok, java works , didn't notice that previously
[17:42] <apb1963> ok if I click on the other molecules, they work
[17:43] <apb1963> I guess maybe it timed out or something???
[17:43] <apb1963> so I guess it's pogo that has problems then
[17:44] <apb1963> in fact... I probably didn't need those restricted extras at all
[17:44] <BluesKaj> for media codecs you do
[17:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> Just loaded the pogo site with jave. no joy
[17:45] <Poisoned_Dragon> the dna molecule app is working
[17:47] <apb1963> BluesKaj: for what purpose?  I had hulu and youtube working no problem
[17:48] <apb1963> now chrome is sucking on my cpu
[17:48] <apb1963> 19% currently
[17:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> apb1963, pogo is running
[17:48] <apb1963> that's huge
[17:48] <apb1963> Poisoned_Dragon: you have the chess game?
[17:48] <Poisoned_Dragon> um... hmmm.
[17:49] <apb1963> I don't know what that response means.... lol
[17:49] <Poisoned_Dragon> nvm, I got oops from pogo
[17:50] <BluesKaj> apb1963, they run on flash, there are other multimedia codecs included in the restricted extras , chrome has an embedded flash plugin
[17:51] <zorgborg> Poisoned_Dragon: btw, i might've installed openjdk 6 cos it gets critical updates form canonical, jdk 7 doesnt apparently
[17:52] <apb1963> BluesKaj: yeah i'm just not sure I need it... can I simply uninstall it, or is that going to break something now?  I can't afford to break things it's my only computer and breakage is not an option
[17:52] <BluesKaj> pogo works with jdk7
[17:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> BluesKaj, the game in question is a java game. But, it doesn't recognize icedtea as a valid java plugin.
[17:52] <Poisoned_Dragon> java.com can't verify either.
[17:53] <BluesKaj> well , it works here on chromium
[17:54] <apb1963> java.com says: You have the recommended Java installed (Version 7 Update 45).
[17:55] <apb1963> Although my load climbed to just under 3
[18:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> apb1963, try this game... http://multiplayer.needformadness.com/game.html
[18:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> it's java and works on my end
[18:05] <Poisoned_Dragon> Dunno why pogo and java.com don't like me.
[18:15] <BluesKaj> I,
[18:15] <apb1963> Poisoned_Dragon: works
[18:17] <BluesKaj> I'm running kubuntu 14.04 so the different plugins aren't available by default , or so it seems
[18:20] <BluesKaj> Poisoned_Dragon, jdk7 works on the need for madness game
[18:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> Me too, BluesKaj.
[18:21] <Poisoned_Dragon> apb1963, you said you were using Kubuntu 12/04?
[18:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> oops
[18:22] <Poisoned_Dragon> 12.04
[18:23] <apb1963> Poisoned_Dragon: yes
[18:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> Well, that actually shouldn't matter.
[18:24] <Poisoned_Dragon> You're using Oracle Java.
[18:25] <Poisoned_Dragon> So, unless it's a distro thing....
[18:26] <apb1963> installing the restricted extras I think was a mistake for me.
[18:26] <apb1963> It's really impacting my system
[18:27] <apb1963> it's sluggish
[18:27] <apb1963> and that's a serious problem for me
[18:30] <apb1963> oh crap it seems to have killed my sound as well
[18:31] <apb1963> no.... sound is ok.. it's just my softphone that doesn't have audio now... which is of course critical for me
[18:42] <Poisoned_Dragon> ok, I'm starting to think the java thing is distro dependent. On my desktop, which uses Ubuntu Studio 13.10, I can view any java content.
[18:43] <apb1963> Poisoned_Dragon: including pogo?
[18:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> I never tried pogo on it.
[18:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> But, I'm having issues looking at web connected security cams that use java to stream audio.
[18:44] <Poisoned_Dragon> And that's on kubuntu 12.04
[18:46] <apb1963> fixed my sound... but system remains sluggish
[18:46] <apb1963> even the mouse is jerky
[18:55] <BluesKaj> apb1963, the restricted extras won't affect your sound or mouse, it's only codecs not drivers
[19:08] <apb1963> BluesKaj: TONS of things came down when I installed it.  It had to have been more than just codecs.  And while I believe you in regard to sound and mouse, the mouse is being affected by the general responsiveness of the system, which has deteriorated
[19:12] <BluesKaj> apb1963, what's your graphics gpu/driver, sudo  lshw -C display , check the configuration string
[19:21] <apb1963> sudo: lshw: command not found
[19:21] <BluesKaj> no :
[19:22] <BluesKaj> apb1963, sudo  lshw -C display , copy ans paste it into the terminal
[19:23] <apb1963> sudo: lshw: command not found
[19:23] <apb1963> copied & pasted
[19:24] <BluesKaj> install lshw
[19:26] <apb1963> it's very strange... because that was working a week ago
[19:26] <apb1963> configuration: driver=radeon latency=0
[19:27] <apb1963> oh interesting..... there's two displays... the second one has no driver and is "UNCLAIMED"
[19:28] <apb1963> whoa... two different product strings
[19:28] <apb1963> product: RV370 [Radeon X300] & product: RV370 [Radeon X300 SE]
[19:28] <apb1963> respectively
[19:31] <apb1963> best to see this for yourself...  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6740422/
[19:36] <BluesKaj> odd they're from the same series , unless lshw is misreading it , what does, lspci } grep VGA, give?
[19:37] <BluesKaj> err lspci | grep VGA
[19:37] <Poisoned_Dragon> pipe fail
[19:38] <Poisoned_Dragon> if it's a laptop, it might be a disabled ext. vga port.
[19:40] <BluesKaj> well, BBL , stuff to do
[19:48] <apb1963> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X300]
[19:48] <apb1963> BluesKaj: ^^^
[19:48] <apb1963> BluesKaj: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] RV370 [Radeon X300]
[20:08] <BluesKaj> apb1963, check your driver,  in the terminal, apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-radeon
[20:42] <apb1963> what is it i'm looking for?  http://paste.ubuntu.com/6740818/
[23:14] <Poisoned_Dragon> I'm a sad panda.
[23:15] <Poisoned_Dragon> I just tried out the Alpha release of Trusty and kernel 3.12 still has issues with the intel 82855 chipset. :(
[23:16] <Poisoned_Dragon> Looks like old tech will just have to be replaced, after 2017.
[23:54] <jarkko> i got 13.10, how to get 14.04 ppas installed?
[23:54] <Poisoned_Dragon> there are no ppas for 14.04
[23:57] <jarkko> what
[23:57] <jarkko> there isnt?
[23:59] <valorie> jarkko: there are dailies
[23:59] <valorie> or the alpha
[23:59] <jarkko> but they are only images?