| dsmythies | bzr is complaining that we do not have "prestine source" (or something) anyhow. | 00:00 |
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| * godbyk has no idea what that means. | 00:00 | |
| dsmythies | me neither, something to do with 13.10.2 I suppose coming after we setup 14.04 | 00:01 |
| dsmythies | I have been meaning to ask on the mail list. | 00:01 |
| dsmythies | everybody: I wonder if history is needed for translation string migration? | 00:03 |
| KI7MT | I like the ubuntu-manual way, if I want 13.10 .. I go get it and go from there .. in 14.04 .. I dont need 13.10 for the most part. | 00:03 |
| knome | no, aren't those moved with .po files | 00:03 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: It isn't. The strings don't pay attention to branches. | 00:03 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: The strings are independent of branches. | 00:03 |
| dsmythies | O.K. thanks. | 00:03 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: No problem. :) | 00:04 |
| KI7MT | godbyk, just for info .. when you start fresh with ubuntu-maual .. how is that different from what happend with ubuntu-docs | 00:06 |
| godbyk | KI7MT: I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase it? | 00:06 |
| KI7MT | godbyk, lol .. I dont either.. lol . actually you answered above what the real question was, why do we need 117m of history for each release. | 00:08 |
| godbyk | For the manual, I create a new, empty repository and then I manually copy over files from the previous repository into the new repository. | 00:08 |
| KI7MT | If I check out lp:ubuntu-docs/trusty .. I shouldnt' really get allot of rev's, as there's not been that many. | 00:09 |
| godbyk | So each new repository resets history, basically. | 00:09 |
| KI7MT | yeah, that makes since to me, for what we are doing, there's no real need for major regression .. with the kernel, yeah i can see why that would be a wanted item. | 00:09 |
| KI7MT | but for docs, each version has a wall, release date to EOL. | 00:10 |
| KI7MT | outside of that, who cares really, get the previous or follow on versions. | 00:11 |
| KI7MT | It makes sense to pill the source files from the previous version, just for the base, but there's no guarantee all the .page files will be used, or even wanted. | 00:12 |
| KI7MT | * to pull | 00:12 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: are you knowlegable about wordpress? | 00:25 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, Not particularly, I've sent up allot VPS / Vhosts that use WP. Did did the Apache + Nginx caching + CDN work for them. | 00:27 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: do you know if older versions had wp-content at /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content but newer have it at /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content ? | 00:31 |
| KI7MT | No I dont know that. | 00:31 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: Thanks. | 00:32 |
| knome | dsmythies, sounds like something that's related to the ubuntu package more than wordpress itself | 00:32 |
| dsmythies | knome: I am just wanting to deal with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1264963 , which is a trivial bug, but I need to figure out this one thing. | 00:33 |
| ubot2 | Launchpad bug 1264963 in Ubuntu Server Guide "Wordpress configuration apache site information wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 00:33 |
| dsmythies | knome on my computer it's at /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content (note: I don't actually run WP, I installed way back when I was checking the wp doc addition) | 00:35 |
| knome | :) | 00:36 |
| dsmythies | I think I'll just delete this alias: Alias /blog/wp-content /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content becuase it doesn't currently work anyhow. | 00:37 |
| KI7MT | shaunm__, If you around, is there an IRC channel, other than the web IRC we can use for gnome-docs ? | 01:26 |
| shaunm__ | KI7MT: #docs on irc.gnome.org | 01:43 |
| shaunm__ | gnome's irc channels aren't on freenode | 01:43 |
| KI7MT | shaunm__, Thank you. | 01:44 |
| KI7MT | shaunm__, GIMPNet == irc.gnome.org ... no wonder I cold not find it :-) | 01:48 |
| KI7MT | *could | 01:48 |
| shaunm__ | oh, yeah | 01:49 |
| shaunm__ | it was GIMP's irc network first | 01:49 |
| KI7MT | shaunm__, do we have to go through the NickServ registration and all that like we do for freenode? | 01:52 |
| shaunm__ | KI7MT: no, gimpnet's not as strict about that. | 01:54 |
| KI7MT | Ok, thanks, I found gnome Wiki about IRC info, having a read there. | 01:55 |
| KI7MT | wow, I just installed gnome-shell and did some checking. Allot of the things I'm seeing in the .page files is making allot more sense. | 02:54 |
| KI7MT | Is the long term goal to Have (1) Desktop Help .. or .. is it to have Keep them separate for Unity, Gnome, Touch etc? | 02:55 |
| KI7MT | *have / keep | 02:55 |
| KI7MT | For example, in gnome3, The Online Accounts Interface is very different to what is in Unity .. and the available service selections is 3 v.s. like 9 in Unity. | 02:59 |
| shaunm__ | KI7MT: we've basically given up on having a single desktop help. gnome and unity have just diverged too much | 03:47 |
| shaunm__ | but a lot of the things mallard does are shaped by our attempts to do so | 03:47 |
| KI7MT | shaunm__, Yes, seems Mallard is the right tool for the Job ... I think the Unity side has to look hard at everything at this point. | 03:50 |
| KI7MT | shaunm__, I just did a quick grep and there's like 76 or so files in ubuntu:docs that still have if:choose tags in them. | 04:13 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, I was on the 14.04 workstation emails. | 19:16 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, Im to the point now where I'd recommend reverting to r324 and cancel the pending MP .. and when there a decision about all the open issues. maybe of these issues are outside the scope of the MP/ | 19:20 |
| KI7MT | *when a decision is made | 19:20 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, As for the needed files, if you not using yelp-new why do we need page.stub or .tml files? | 19:22 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: files: That is a different subject than files as a result of building the html | 19:23 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, for instance, see ubuntu-docs/C/{unity-stubs,templates} | 19:23 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: there is some e-mail about why the stub files are there. I'll tyr to find it. | 19:24 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, I think you should just revert to 324 and rejst the pending MP .. then with the powers to be, get a consensus on the open issues. | 19:24 |
| KI7MT | * .. reject | 19:24 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I was hoping godbyk would have commented by now. I was thinking to accept the pending MP and move on for now. | 19:25 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, As for now, there are too many open policy issues that need to be resolved | 19:25 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: Which MP? I'll take a look at it in just a moment if you like. | 19:26 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: There is no about at all on the index page now. Maybe that is what gunner was commenting on. | 19:26 |
| godbyk | I have to get caught up on all the ubuntu-docs emails, too. | 19:26 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, Also, the Build Page need fixed, it tells you to install yelp and the required files, if we not using yelp, why install it? | 19:26 |
| dsmythies | The one that fixes the one that already was accepted. | 19:27 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, I know there is no "About" there no need or it, it's a mute point for Unity Desktop Help, as the footer is totally different. | 19:27 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I'll look at the build page. as far as I know everythhing that is says is needed is needed. | 19:27 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: No it is not. Is is identical. Do not confuse yelp help with the html. They are different. | 19:28 |
| KI7MT | Well On my 14.04 desktop install and all the normal make builds, nothign shows the "About" info. The only way I can see "about" info is build using yelp, which you've said I shold not do. | 19:29 |
| dsmythies | What? I did not. I said to not use yelp-build, but rather use yelp-build via the make command | 19:30 |
| KI7MT | yes, that's what Im saying, not to use yelp-build .. | 19:30 |
| dsmythies | To test a local branch browse to the file, say index.page and select "open with" and select "help", which will use yelp. | 19:31 |
| dsmythies | That is what I did in those screen shots. | 19:32 |
| dsmythies | All three method use the built in "help" system, which uses yelp. | 19:32 |
| KI7MT | Im so confused with the methodoly here, it just makes no sense to me what so ever. | 19:32 |
| dsmythies | KI&MT: O.K. Lets start again. And lets leave html out of completely for now... | 19:33 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: O.K. Lets start again. And lets leave html out of completely for now... | 19:33 |
| KI7MT | Im gonna go take a break .. BBL | 19:33 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: O.K. | 19:34 |
| dsmythies | godbyk: https://code.launchpad.net/~ki7mt/ubuntu-docs/online-accounts-update/+merge/201135 that benjamin merged, but that needs ... | 19:41 |
| dsmythies | godbyk: https://code.launchpad.net/~ki7mt/ubuntu-docs/accounts-files-patch/+merge/201182 to be complete, but... | 19:42 |
| dsmythies | godbyk: all you reaaly need to do is look at my e-mail with screen shots and it shows all 3 side by side (proposed, the way it was, and GNOME) | 19:43 |
| godbyk | dsmythies: Okay, I'll take a look. Thanks! | 20:00 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, Im back, this is my recommendation, and i'm sticking to it. Reject my proposed MP, and revert to r324 as I clearly do not understand how the build system works and should not have proposed changes until I do. | 20:18 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: at this point we can not. as now MPs are stacked onto it. | 20:19 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, You can not what? reject the MP or revert to 325? | 20:20 |
| KI7MT | *324 | 20:20 |
| dsmythies | Revert. Which in my mind means we really need to accept the new MP because it fixes the existing one. | 20:21 |
| dsmythies | * the existing, already merged, one. | 20:23 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, the fixes are minor, it's the policy that really needs to be resolved. | 20:26 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I know, and sorry for the frustrtion. I see that gunners new MP adds to differences that already exist between UNITY and GNOME in keyboard-layouts.page | 20:28 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, an easy way to do it would be, accept the mp, then revert just the edited files, and re-commit, that should keep things in line elsewhere. | 20:28 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I know. | 20:29 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I didn't mean to create a saga. | 20:31 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, like I said int the email I sent last night, there's things that need to be resolved and published before people spend more man hours creating more issues. | 20:32 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, In other words, we need written guidence. | 20:32 |
| knome | written and brief but to-the-point | 20:35 |
| knome | i can most definitely help get https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam in shape, but not sure how useful i am with the content | 20:36 |
| knome | i think it's better to 'release early, update often' than try to create something perfect in the darkness | 20:36 |
| KI7MT | knome, indeed, the nice thing about a vcs is you can always go back if it's busted. | 20:39 |
| knome | i was talking about the wiki, but that has versioning too :) | 20:39 |
| KI7MT | knome, I always work by, make a decision, stick by it, if it fails, put measure in place to prevent repeat-failures, and move on :-) | 20:50 |
| knome | works with docs. | 20:51 |
| KI7MT | :-) life an death tings probably not a good approach .. but most other things is ok :-) | 20:51 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, so what's the final verdict here? | 21:07 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, I suppose, another option, commit the MP, create a bug, assign to me and make me fix it ! :-) that will at lest get things moving again. | 21:29 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I'll commit the MP. Then we'll WAIT for the discussion to catch up, but meanwhile can catch up with the other MPs. | 22:37 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, Ok, there's another one line fix coming for legal.xml. | 23:01 |
| dsmythies | KI7MT: I think gunner is doing the legal.xml fix and adding to his already pending MP. Check with him. | 23:08 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, Ok | 23:08 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, I sent a note out, but I don't see it included in his current MP on launchpad. | 23:18 |
| KI7MT | dsmythies, re Gunnar's MP - I'd merge it, and bug / task list the remaining item . | 23:43 |
| KI7MT | assuming your happy with the other edits of course. | 23:44 |
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