[00:00] bzr is complaining that we do not have "prestine source" (or something) anyhow. [00:00] * godbyk has no idea what that means. [00:01] me neither, something to do with 13.10.2 I suppose coming after we setup 14.04 [00:01] I have been meaning to ask on the mail list. [00:03] everybody: I wonder if history is needed for translation string migration? [00:03] I like the ubuntu-manual way, if I want 13.10 .. I go get it and go from there .. in 14.04 .. I dont need 13.10 for the most part. [00:03] no, aren't those moved with .po files [00:03] dsmythies: It isn't. The strings don't pay attention to branches. [00:03] dsmythies: The strings are independent of branches. [00:03] O.K. thanks. [00:04] dsmythies: No problem. :) [00:06] godbyk, just for info .. when you start fresh with ubuntu-maual .. how is that different from what happend with ubuntu-docs [00:06] KI7MT: I don't understand the question. Can you rephrase it? [00:08] godbyk, lol .. I dont either.. lol . actually you answered above what the real question was, why do we need 117m of history for each release. [00:08] For the manual, I create a new, empty repository and then I manually copy over files from the previous repository into the new repository. [00:09] If I check out lp:ubuntu-docs/trusty .. I shouldnt' really get allot of rev's, as there's not been that many. [00:09] So each new repository resets history, basically. [00:09] yeah, that makes since to me, for what we are doing, there's no real need for major regression .. with the kernel, yeah i can see why that would be a wanted item. [00:10] but for docs, each version has a wall, release date to EOL. [00:11] outside of that, who cares really, get the previous or follow on versions. [00:12] It makes sense to pill the source files from the previous version, just for the base, but there's no guarantee all the .page files will be used, or even wanted. [00:12] * to pull [00:25] KI7MT: are you knowlegable about wordpress? [00:27] dsmythies, Not particularly, I've sent up allot VPS / Vhosts that use WP. Did did the Apache + Nginx caching + CDN work for them. [00:31] KI7MT: do you know if older versions had wp-content at /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content but newer have it at /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content ? [00:31] No I dont know that. [00:32] KI7MT: Thanks. [00:32] dsmythies, sounds like something that's related to the ubuntu package more than wordpress itself [00:33] knome: I am just wanting to deal with: https://bugs.launchpad.net/serverguide/+bug/1264963 , which is a trivial bug, but I need to figure out this one thing. [00:33] Launchpad bug 1264963 in Ubuntu Server Guide "Wordpress configuration apache site information wrong" [Undecided,Confirmed] [00:35] knome on my computer it's at /usr/share/wordpress/wp-content (note: I don't actually run WP, I installed way back when I was checking the wp doc addition) [00:36] :) [00:37] I think I'll just delete this alias: Alias /blog/wp-content /var/lib/wordpress/wp-content becuase it doesn't currently work anyhow. [01:26] shaunm__, If you around, is there an IRC channel, other than the web IRC we can use for gnome-docs ? [01:43] KI7MT: #docs on irc.gnome.org [01:43] gnome's irc channels aren't on freenode [01:44] shaunm__, Thank you. [01:48] shaunm__, GIMPNet == irc.gnome.org ... no wonder I cold not find it :-) [01:48] *could [01:49] oh, yeah [01:49] it was GIMP's irc network first [01:52] shaunm__, do we have to go through the NickServ registration and all that like we do for freenode? [01:54] KI7MT: no, gimpnet's not as strict about that. [01:55] Ok, thanks, I found gnome Wiki about IRC info, having a read there. [02:54] wow, I just installed gnome-shell and did some checking. Allot of the things I'm seeing in the .page files is making allot more sense. [02:55] Is the long term goal to Have (1) Desktop Help .. or .. is it to have Keep them separate for Unity, Gnome, Touch etc? [02:55] *have / keep [02:59] For example, in gnome3, The Online Accounts Interface is very different to what is in Unity .. and the available service selections is 3 v.s. like 9 in Unity. [03:47] KI7MT: we've basically given up on having a single desktop help. gnome and unity have just diverged too much [03:47] but a lot of the things mallard does are shaped by our attempts to do so [03:50] shaunm__, Yes, seems Mallard is the right tool for the Job ... I think the Unity side has to look hard at everything at this point. [04:13] shaunm__, I just did a quick grep and there's like 76 or so files in ubuntu:docs that still have if:choose tags in them. [19:16] dsmythies, I was on the 14.04 workstation emails. [19:20] dsmythies, Im to the point now where I'd recommend reverting to r324 and cancel the pending MP .. and when there a decision about all the open issues. maybe of these issues are outside the scope of the MP/ [19:20] *when a decision is made [19:22] dsmythies, As for the needed files, if you not using yelp-new why do we need page.stub or .tml files? [19:23] KI7MT: files: That is a different subject than files as a result of building the html [19:23] dsmythies, for instance, see ubuntu-docs/C/{unity-stubs,templates} [19:24] KI7MT: there is some e-mail about why the stub files are there. I'll tyr to find it. [19:24] dsmythies, I think you should just revert to 324 and rejst the pending MP .. then with the powers to be, get a consensus on the open issues. [19:24] * .. reject [19:25] KI7MT: I was hoping godbyk would have commented by now. I was thinking to accept the pending MP and move on for now. [19:25] dsmythies, As for now, there are too many open policy issues that need to be resolved [19:26] dsmythies: Which MP? I'll take a look at it in just a moment if you like. [19:26] KI7MT: There is no about at all on the index page now. Maybe that is what gunner was commenting on. [19:26] I have to get caught up on all the ubuntu-docs emails, too. [19:26] dsmythies, Also, the Build Page need fixed, it tells you to install yelp and the required files, if we not using yelp, why install it? [19:27] The one that fixes the one that already was accepted. [19:27] dsmythies, I know there is no "About" there no need or it, it's a mute point for Unity Desktop Help, as the footer is totally different. [19:27] KI7MT: I'll look at the build page. as far as I know everythhing that is says is needed is needed. [19:28] KI7MT: No it is not. Is is identical. Do not confuse yelp help with the html. They are different. [19:29] Well On my 14.04 desktop install and all the normal make builds, nothign shows the "About" info. The only way I can see "about" info is build using yelp, which you've said I shold not do. [19:30] What? I did not. I said to not use yelp-build, but rather use yelp-build via the make command [19:30] yes, that's what Im saying, not to use yelp-build .. [19:31] To test a local branch browse to the file, say index.page and select "open with" and select "help", which will use yelp. [19:32] That is what I did in those screen shots. [19:32] All three method use the built in "help" system, which uses yelp. [19:32] Im so confused with the methodoly here, it just makes no sense to me what so ever. [19:33] KI&MT: O.K. Lets start again. And lets leave html out of completely for now... [19:33] KI7MT: O.K. Lets start again. And lets leave html out of completely for now... [19:33] Im gonna go take a break .. BBL [19:34] KI7MT: O.K. [19:41] godbyk: https://code.launchpad.net/~ki7mt/ubuntu-docs/online-accounts-update/+merge/201135 that benjamin merged, but that needs ... [19:42] godbyk: https://code.launchpad.net/~ki7mt/ubuntu-docs/accounts-files-patch/+merge/201182 to be complete, but... [19:43] godbyk: all you reaaly need to do is look at my e-mail with screen shots and it shows all 3 side by side (proposed, the way it was, and GNOME) [20:00] dsmythies: Okay, I'll take a look. Thanks! [20:18] dsmythies, Im back, this is my recommendation, and i'm sticking to it. Reject my proposed MP, and revert to r324 as I clearly do not understand how the build system works and should not have proposed changes until I do. [20:19] KI7MT: at this point we can not. as now MPs are stacked onto it. [20:20] dsmythies, You can not what? reject the MP or revert to 325? [20:20] *324 [20:21] Revert. Which in my mind means we really need to accept the new MP because it fixes the existing one. [20:23] * the existing, already merged, one. [20:26] dsmythies, the fixes are minor, it's the policy that really needs to be resolved. [20:28] KI7MT: I know, and sorry for the frustrtion. I see that gunners new MP adds to differences that already exist between UNITY and GNOME in keyboard-layouts.page [20:28] dsmythies, an easy way to do it would be, accept the mp, then revert just the edited files, and re-commit, that should keep things in line elsewhere. [20:29] KI7MT: I know. [20:31] KI7MT: I didn't mean to create a saga. [20:32] dsmythies, like I said int the email I sent last night, there's things that need to be resolved and published before people spend more man hours creating more issues. [20:32] dsmythies, In other words, we need written guidence. [20:35] written and brief but to-the-point [20:36] i can most definitely help get https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam in shape, but not sure how useful i am with the content [20:36] i think it's better to 'release early, update often' than try to create something perfect in the darkness [20:39] knome, indeed, the nice thing about a vcs is you can always go back if it's busted. [20:39] i was talking about the wiki, but that has versioning too :) [20:50] knome, I always work by, make a decision, stick by it, if it fails, put measure in place to prevent repeat-failures, and move on :-) [20:51] works with docs. [20:51] :-) life an death tings probably not a good approach .. but most other things is ok :-) [21:07] dsmythies, so what's the final verdict here? [21:29] dsmythies, I suppose, another option, commit the MP, create a bug, assign to me and make me fix it ! :-) that will at lest get things moving again. [22:37] KI7MT: I'll commit the MP. Then we'll WAIT for the discussion to catch up, but meanwhile can catch up with the other MPs. [23:01] dsmythies, Ok, there's another one line fix coming for legal.xml. [23:08] KI7MT: I think gunner is doing the legal.xml fix and adding to his already pending MP. Check with him. [23:08] dsmythies, Ok [23:18] dsmythies, I sent a note out, but I don't see it included in his current MP on launchpad. [23:43] dsmythies, re Gunnar's MP - I'd merge it, and bug / task list the remaining item . [23:44] assuming your happy with the other edits of course.