[00:01] <diddledan> I think I want a pizza
[00:01] <daftykins> at midnight :o
[00:05] <diddledan> midnight feast :-p
[00:05] <daftykins> ^_^
[00:06] <daftykins> i've been murdering twiglets all evening
[00:06]  * diddledan sings the twiglet zone music
[00:06] <daftykins> there was music!?
[00:06]  * penguin42 murdered an Aldi chocolate Reindeer earlier - it was very nice (and cheap)
[00:06] <diddledan> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzlG28B-R8Y
[00:07] <diddledan> I love murdering chocolate creatures of all kinds
[00:07] <Elions> popey: Are you there? I have a question I need to ask you
[00:07] <diddledan> I killed a chocolate santa the other day
[00:08] <diddledan> Elions: always to the left
[00:08] <Elions> popey: What plugin do you use to post your podcast automatically to an RSS feed? I don't know if you remember me but i'm Azelphur's friend who was trying to set up a Bitcoin Podcast
[00:08] <Elions> See, our RSS poster at the moment seems to make it impossible to put out podcast on Itunes
[00:08] <ali1234> bitcoins?
[00:09] <Elions> ali1234: Yup. Bitcoin
[00:09] <ali1234> my favourite bitcoin website shut down today
[00:09] <diddledan> :-o
[00:09] <popey> Elions: hello
[00:09] <Elions> ali1234: That's a shame. Which one was it?
[00:09] <ali1234> good guy op didn't steal all the funds, so there's that
[00:10] <ali1234> bitquestion
[00:10] <popey> Elions: wordpress + podpress
[00:10] <diddledan> bitcoins are a bit of a wild west atm
[00:10] <diddledan> lots of early scams
[00:10] <diddledan> it'll settle down I guess like the west did
[00:10] <Elions> popey: Thank you. I was looking for it but wordpress' search engine is basically useless.
[00:11] <diddledan> so we'll end up with all the beautiful people there making movies
[00:11] <daftykins> Elions: the admin pages have a plugin search mechanism
[00:11] <ali1234> that's the same thing
[00:11] <Elions> daftykins: Yeah, that's the one I was using
[00:11] <Elions> Anyhow, thank you very much popey. Sorry if I interrupted anything, mate.
[00:11] <daftykins> oic
[00:11] <ali1234> if you need custom wordpress plugins i can do write them for you
[00:12] <Elions> ali1234: We're good for now, no worries.
[00:21] <ali1234> Azelphur: i can turn my lights on and off with the g19 keys now :)
[00:21] <ali1234> https://github.com/ali1234/avr-433/blob/master/firmware/main.c
[00:26] <ali1234> i probably made everyone's doorbell ring on my street while developing this
[00:26] <ali1234> and all their garage doors open and car alarms turn on and off
[00:27] <penguin42> what hardware is that?
[00:28] <ali1234> http://www.quasaruk.co.uk/acatalog/info_QAM_TX1_433.html
[00:28] <ali1234> the plugs are from maplin but they don't sell them any more
[00:29] <ali1234> and the AVR board is a minimus32
[00:29] <ali1234> also i used a RTL-SDR to look at the signals, with rtl-433, gqrx, and gnuradio-companion
[00:29] <penguin42> oh that's tiny
[00:30] <penguin42> (and cheap)
[00:30] <ali1234> yeah
[00:30] <ali1234> the minimus board is also tiny and cheap
[00:30] <ali1234> actually everything involved was cheap
[00:30] <penguin42> I'd played with gqrx and the rtl-sdr but hadn't come across gnuradio-companion - I played with the rtl when stuff was still a bit touchy, I should try again
[00:30] <ali1234> there is a fairly good ppa with it all now
[00:31] <ali1234> gr-companion is like a drag and drop filter graph editor
[00:31] <ali1234> it's not very easy to use
[00:31] <ali1234> and it crashes a lot
[00:32] <penguin42> oh, maybe I did use that - I certainly edited a gnuradio graph - but didn't have the patience to do anything smart with it
[07:42] <foobarry> looks nippy out there today
[07:43] <MartijnVdS> we're having clear skies, blue with bits of red
[07:44] <mapps> yeas  foobarry
[07:44] <mapps> its kinda cold
[07:44] <mapps> when i walked back from the casino was cold;/
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> Apparently it's 0°C outside here
[07:44] <MartijnVdS> mapps: did you win? :)
[07:45] <mapps> dont play really i just go for a beer
[07:45] <mapps> horrible places
[07:45] <mapps> the UKs lowest
[07:45] <mapps> everyone there will tell you they 'broke even' or 'won a few quid'
[07:46] <mapps> so casinos must operate on good faith;p
[07:49] <foobarry> pink/blue skies out there, frost on the field and the car
[07:49] <foobarry> you get free sandwiches in casinos to
[07:50] <foobarry> can't imagine the beer is exactly great
[07:58] <foobarry> i just had a sudden urge to play gribbly's day out on the archimedes
[07:58] <foobarry> that was a hard game
[08:03] <mapps> :D
[08:03] <mapps> going to London Dungeons next week:D
[08:04] <mapps> went to the amsterdam one on our ;last day there
[08:04] <foobarry> i want a rasp pi to run RISC OS!
[08:04] <foobarry> native
[08:06] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads bottom of the page?
[08:11] <foobarry> the "want" in that sentence was the rasp pi..i don't own one
[08:11] <MartijnVdS> Ah, I assumed everyone had one (or several) by now :)
[08:11] <shauno> why not?  I thought pretty much every had 3 or 4 by this point
[08:13] <foobarry> i don't have anything with hdmi or dvi in the house
[08:14] <foobarry> and i had a nslu2 already for my low power needs
[08:17] <foobarry> i have a short term urge to play my old acorn games again
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> foobarry: RPi also has Composite out
[08:17] <MartijnVdS> don't know the quality of it.. but it exists
[08:17] <foobarry> it happens occasionally and i faff around with the emulator and leave after a sub standard experience
[08:17] <foobarry> yeah, prob no worse than the arch games quality for these purposes
[08:56] <popey> morning
[09:58] <mapps> morning popey
[09:58] <mapps> going back home monday:D
[09:58] <mapps> back to good net
[09:58] <mapps> 75mbit ftc and 100mbit cable:D
[09:58]  * mapps is stuck on 6mbit here;/
[10:03] <mapps> gotta brave the underground on monday again
[10:03] <mapps> ipad/netbook/nexus7 should be enough:D
[10:04] <MartijnVdS> kindle?
[10:04] <mapps> i have a nook:D
[10:05] <mapps> ipad air/ipad mini/nexus7/dell xps12 miini/dell xps i7/samsung nc10
[10:05] <mapps> those are my 'portables'
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> mapps: XPS 12 with the rotating screen? :)
[10:05] <mapps> and my beloved iphone 5:)
[10:05] <mapps> yes sir
[10:05]  * MartijnVdS has one of those.. yay work 8-)
[10:05] <mapps> i buyed my dad one for his birthday also
[10:05] <mapps> theyre expensive
[10:05] <mapps> but nice
[10:05] <MartijnVdS> I wanted the Ubuntu edition 13" but it was sold out at the time (just before the new model launched.. but I needed a work laptop to work on..)
[10:06] <mapps> its a good quality laptop
[10:06] <mapps> but
[10:06] <mapps> its quite pricey..no?
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> It is
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> but I didn't have to pay, so it's good ;)
[10:06] <MartijnVdS> I've disabled the touch screen though
[10:06] <mapps> :)
[10:07] <mapps> so iil be taking
[10:07] <mapps> iphone 5/ipad air/ipad mini/nexus7/dell xps12/dell i7/samsung nc10
[10:07] <mapps> that enough?
[10:07] <mapps> for a week
[10:07] <MartijnVdS> where? why? :)
[10:08] <mapps> back to my fathers
[10:08] <mapps> going home for a week
[10:08] <mapps> to Surrey
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> When I go away for a week I take my chromebook and my phone
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> maybe my kindle
[10:08] <mapps> aha
[10:08] <mapps> when i go abroad
[10:08] <MartijnVdS> xoom, work laptop and older VAIO stay at home
[10:08] <mapps> i take my iphone 5 and my netbook
[10:08] <mapps> becuse
[10:08] <mapps> my big laptop is too big..i dont pay for luggage
[10:08] <mapps> so i just use hold luggage :)
[10:08] <mapps> so a netbook is better
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> carry-on you mean.. hold luggage tends to cost money :)
[10:09] <mapps> ahh yes
[10:09] <mapps> sorry
[10:09] <mapps> so hold is the pay ?
[10:09] <mapps> hm
[10:09] <mapps> carry
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> The stuff take with you (hold in your hands) = carry-on
[10:09] <mapps> i meant carry on plane
[10:09] <mapps> yea
[10:09] <mapps> my normal laptop takes too much space on my bag
[10:09] <mapps> so i use my netbook
[10:09] <MartijnVdS> The "belly of the aircraft" where checked bags are stored is called the "hold" 8-)
[10:10] <mapps> aha so thats hold luggage
[10:10] <MartijnVdS> Yes, this is weird ;)
[10:10] <mapps> :D
[10:10] <mapps> i liked KLM
[10:10] <mapps> they were good
[10:10] <mapps> i used e-barcode thing
[10:11] <mapps> i went to work and both printers were broken so i had no choice had it sent to my phone
[10:11] <mapps> scanned it a manchester
[10:11] <mapps> then on amsterdam someone came and looked at it
[10:11] <mapps> but still really easy:D
[10:11] <mapps> boarding pass on phones
[10:11] <MartijnVdS> last time I flew, I went with Easyjet. Checked in a month before the flight 8-)
[10:12] <mapps> haa yea with some u can
[10:12] <mapps> but
[10:12] <mapps> MartijnVdS,
[10:12] <mapps> you flew KLM?
[10:12] <mapps> they only let you check in 24 hour before
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> no, EJ
[10:12] <mapps> no i mean have you ever
[10:12] <MartijnVdS> I flew to London City once with KLM
[10:13] <mapps> still nice to be able to use your phone..ryan air dont let u...so if you forget the bordon pass you pays 70quid per person
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> and to SF and back
[10:13] <mapps> but with KLM i can checkin upto 30mins before flight..and there's free wifi at airports so could do it on my phone
[10:13] <MartijnVdS> Ryanair makes it easy to make mistakes, and expensive to correct them
[10:14] <mapps> ya
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> and that's where they get most of their money
[10:14] <mapps> yep
[10:14] <MartijnVdS> "People are stupid" :)
[10:14] <mapps> :D
[10:15] <shauno> I've honestly never had a problem with ryanair
[10:16] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Sure, if you read everything before clicking and check for typos in your name, everything is fine
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> shauno: though in-flight drinks are on the expensive side.. but on a 2 hour flight shouldn't need too many drinks really
[10:17] <shauno> is "I can spell my name" really a difficult bar to set?
[10:17] <MartijnVdS> but most people just click through, mistype their names, don't see that luggage = extra money
[10:17] <shauno> yeah, inflight purchases are actually their revenue stream
[10:18] <shauno> the rest is high because to force people to double-check stuff so they need less staff
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> shauno: Three people in front of me in the Easyjet line had to have their misspellings fixed. And were angry that they had to pay.
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> I'm assuming Ryanair typo rates are similar
[10:18] <shauno> well trained customers = cheaper customer service
[10:18] <MartijnVdS> sure
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> though the relative luxury of that KLM flight to San Francisco is nice :)
[10:19] <shauno> well yeah, I wouldn't want to go that far with bargain basements
[10:19] <MartijnVdS> They just put the drinks cart somewhere and made it a self-serve bar 8-)
[10:20] <shauno> there was an outfit a few years back doing london to hong kong for 75GBP.  that both interested & terrified me
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> shauno: I'd figure out a way to get sleeping pills before boarding that
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> wake me up when we've landed
[10:21] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[10:21] <MartijnVdS> \o brobostigon
[10:21] <brobostigon> morning MartijnVdS
[10:33] <shauno> I guess I'm just glad for ryanair because they've led me on a lot of strange trips that wouldn't have happened otherwise
[12:34] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[12:36] <penguin42> Hey BC
[12:51] <dogmatic69_> what can I use to monitor traffic on my network?
[12:51] <dogmatic69_> eg: usage by user / sites etc.
[12:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: It depends a bit how your network is setup and what you want to measure
[12:59] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: When you say 'by user' is that which particular machine or a particular logged on user?
[13:03] <dogmatic69_> ye, machine / ip
[13:03] <dogmatic69_> just simple home network with router -> machines
[13:03] <dogmatic69_> I guess something like bind on one, with the router configured to use it as dns?
[13:04] <dogmatic69_> mostly what machines are accessing
[13:05] <penguin42> ok, so by IP isn't too bad
[13:06] <dogmatic69_> ye, everything has a static IP address
[13:06] <penguin42> there are things like iptop that you can watch current behaviour; longer term recording hmm not too sure
[13:06] <dogmatic69_> something like ntop?
[13:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: If you force stuff through a squid cache it's easy to record what urls are being accessed
[13:07] <penguin42> yeh like ntop was what I was thinking of
[13:07] <dogmatic69_> not sure if that can do network wide?
[13:07] <dogmatic69_> squid cache?
[13:07] <penguin42> dogmatic69_: squid - it's a http cache
[13:07] <dogmatic69_> ok
[13:08] <dogmatic69_> does ntop cover the whole network?
[13:09] <penguin42> it covers what that machines network can see
[13:21] <ali1234> hmm.... i appear to have found a bug in systemd
[13:25] <penguin42> report it/fix it
[13:26] <dogmatic69_> penguin42: just installed ntopng. awesome compared with last version...
[13:33] <ali1234> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-utils/+bug/1268301
[13:40] <penguin42> ali1234: Hmm that's going to cause some fun behaviours - now search for all bugs where people are finding the sound on one card doing something odd
[13:40] <ali1234> yep
[13:40] <ali1234> i'm testing if it happens in fedora
[13:41] <ali1234> i don't see how it can be anything other than systemd/udev causing it, because nothing else involved has changed - not even upstream
[13:42] <ali1234> fedora avoids the problem by not using that $attr{} construct at all
[14:03] <ali1234> systemd tests take ages to run :/
[14:40] <ali1234> it's impossible to search for any real information about systemd because of all the blog posts complaining about it
[14:43] <penguin42> yeh - my experience so far is it generally works quite well
[14:55] <ali1234> $attr substitution doesn't work on fedora either :/
[15:05] <MooDoo> afternoon all
[15:05] <penguin42> ali1234: Is that supposed to be $ATTRS{number} ?
[15:06] <ali1234> penguin42: no. that is something totally different
[15:06] <ali1234> it's not supposed to be $ATTR{number} either, which is also a different thing
[15:06] <penguin42> ali1234: Oh, it does conveniently have the value 0 :-)
[15:06] <ali1234> yes but it won't be accepted by the format string parser
[15:07] <ali1234> it will just be passed through verbatim
[15:07] <ali1234> one way to make the script work is by just putting $number
[15:07] <ali1234> but $attr{number} is supposed to work according to the documentation
[15:09] <penguin42> now is it the docs or the code that's wrong?
[15:10] <ali1234> that's what i'm trying to figure out
[15:11] <penguin42> I suggested the ATTR{number} because that's the format udevadm info prints it in
[15:12] <ali1234> $attr does something different
[15:12] <penguin42> are you sure? the stuff from udevadm looks like the sysfs files of the same name
[15:12] <ali1234> yes it is
[15:13] <ali1234> that's where it comes from
[15:13] <ali1234> try it if you don't believe me (i already have)
[15:13] <penguin42> no, I'm fine to let you find the potholes
[15:14] <ali1234> http://paste.ubuntu.com/6739002/ <- put that in /etc/udev/rules.d/99-test.rules
[15:14] <ali1234> then sudo udevadm control --reload-rules
[15:14] <ali1234> then udevadm test --action=add /class/sound/controlC0
[15:17] <penguin42> ali1234: Is the problem here that you're doing it on controlC0 rather than the card0?  There is no number file in /sys/class/sound/card0/controlC0/   but there is in /sys/class/sound/card0 ?
[15:18] <penguin42> so it's right, there is no number attribute on controlC0
[15:19] <penguin42> and $attr only says to use an entry from a parent device if a previous KERNELS/SUBSYSTEMS/DRIVERS/ATTRS tests selected a parent
[15:52] <foobarry> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-12-04-Is-More-Secure-Than-Windows-8-and-Mac-OS-X-Says-UK-Goverment-416016.shtml
[15:54] <foobarry> http://insights.ubuntu.com/wp-content/uploads/UK-Gov-Report-Summary.pdf
[15:57] <directhex> it's that time again! :D
[15:58] <penguin42> MS license price negotiation time?
[15:59] <directhex> Latest release: Release4 (2014-01-08u1) (released 2014-01-12)
[16:00] <directhex> i should probably sleep more...
[16:00] <directhex> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:5be21a7a4f4b919e13f65eef113a8bc97e037ad0&dn=yeoldesteamos-release4-20140108u1.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80%2Fannounce&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce
[16:04] <popey> got a normal torrent url pls?
[16:06] <directhex> http://retro.apebox.org/yeoldesteamos-release4-20140108u1.iso.torrent
[16:06] <popey> ta
[16:10] <popey> odd, not downloading anything here
[16:10] <popey> magnet is in transmission though
[16:10] <popey> ah, magnet on laptop can see my vps tho
[16:11] <popey> thats better, chugging along now
[16:11] <shauno> I see popey.com on mine :p
[16:11] <popey> does yours resolve ip to host or did you look it up?
[16:12] <shauno> it resolves
[16:12] <popey> neat
[16:12] <directhex> transmission doesn't resolve here
[16:12] <directhex> i see deluge, 2xtransmission, and one generic libtorrent
[16:13] <popey> i have 1xtransmission and 2xrtorrent
[16:13] <shauno> I'm using https://code.google.com/p/transmisson-remote-gui/ because it's running on a box elsewhere
[16:13] <popey> (mine)
[16:14]  * popey leaves it running while going to make cottage pie i think
[16:33] <ali1234> i got up to 60 ratio on the last one
[16:34] <popey> yeah, same here, was peak/troughy, but quite popular
[16:36] <directhex> another slow torrents day. thanks, bt
[16:43]  * daftykins jumps on the torrent
[16:46] <daftykins> hmm looks like you announced it a bit sooner this time, tonnes on it already? :D
[16:47] <ali1234> i'm at ratio 1 and i've only downloaded 25% of it
[16:47] <daftykins> yeah it's ground to a halt ~the 27% mark
[16:48] <diddledan> what we torrenting?
[16:48] <daftykins> latest steamos again from directhex
[16:48] <directhex> let me see what i can do
[16:49] <diddledan> hmm, should I plop a torrentbox up somewhere to helpout?
[16:49] <popey> its bottlenecked on directhex upstream atm
[16:49] <ali1234> yeah
[16:49] <directhex> yeah
[16:49] <directhex> :/
[16:50] <foobarry> any risc os users here?
[16:51] <penguin42> not for about ooh 15 years
[16:51] <shauno> lol, that's cute; 'someone' shows up as Guernsey, but it has no idea what flag to assign to them
[16:52] <diddledan> lol
[16:54] <foobarry> i heard risc os is now open source
[16:54] <daftykins> shauno: :D
[16:54] <daftykins> shauno: do i have an addy or just IP?
[16:54] <daftykins> assuming your client resolves
[16:54] <shauno> a name, bbdhome2-blahblahblah
[16:55] <shauno> it just looks a tad silly in the UI because everyone else has flags
[16:56] <daftykins> fancy not having the Guernsey flag =|
[16:56] <diddledan> lol, nice: http://retro.apebox.org/index.php?section=six&rant=irc.rant <-- I been nosey
[16:56] <daftykins> i am insulted!
[16:57] <popey> file a bug ☻
[16:57] <diddledan> does guernsey even have a flag?
[16:57]  * popey mashes spuds
[16:57] <diddledan> I mean there's like three people there, what are the chances one of you has a spare rag? :-p
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[16:59] <shauno> interesting, I can't checkout svn on this 3g connection.  it doesn't make it through o2-ie's mangler
[16:59] <directhex> ok someone else on BT just connected, 1.12MB up now
[16:59] <daftykins> diddledan: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fa/Flag_of_Guernsey.svg
[17:00] <diddledan> yeah, but that's wiki.
[17:00] <diddledan> and it looks decidedly like dicky the lion heart's shield
[17:06] <popey> http://popey.com/bandwidth/
[17:06] <popey> click "days" and spot where directhex releases yeoldesteamos
[17:07] <shauno> well boo.  there's nothing in the zip of flags to say where they got it from
[17:09] <shauno> if it makes you feel better, comcast via ipv6 isn't getting a flag either.  so not only are you not alone, but you might be the future
[17:10] <daftykins> :D
[17:10] <daftykins> yeah i've spotted the IPv6-ers get nothing
[17:12] <daftykins> woohoo complete
[17:14] <shauno> :(  the list got really boring now
[17:15] <shauno> I'm not sure there's any solution for this, but I find it interesting that the ipv6 client appears to be connected by both 4+6, and is being served as two separate peers
[17:33] <daftykins> how funky
[17:33] <daftykins> how did you spot the v6 matching the v4s?
[17:37] <shauno> two customers on the same ISP with the same % complete, just looks suss
[17:38] <shauno> customers, clients, peers, whatever.  I've been at work since 6am :(
[17:40] <foobarry> penguin42: i'm trying to remember an archimedes adventure game that starts with you being guarded in a train carriage...know it?
[17:41] <penguin42> foobarry: No, I didn't play much games on the Arch
[17:41] <ali1234> foobarry: text adventure?
[17:42] <foobarry> yeah ali1234
[17:42] <ali1234> was it an infocom one?
[17:43] <ali1234> was it corruption?
[17:43] <foobarry> i was just looking at the corruption wiki
[17:43] <foobarry> from memory i'm thinking it might be.
[17:43] <foobarry> how did you get out of the carriage?
[17:43] <foobarry> ask for the toilet?
[17:44] <ali1234> i dunno?
[17:44] <ali1234> i'm just googling
[17:44] <ali1234> http://www.lemonamiga.com/?game_id=1557
[17:44] <foobarry> maybe corruption came out at similar time
[17:44] <ali1234> did it have graphics like that?
[17:45] <foobarry> not corruption
[17:45] <foobarry> first scene is you in a train carriage
[17:47] <ali1234> http://msmemorial.if-legends.org/games.htm/jinxter.php
[17:47] <ali1234> mentions something about a train
[17:51] <foobarry> hmmm doesn't seem to be the one from my memory,
[17:51] <foobarry> it was certainly an earlier arch game , trawling through the mag scrolls ones
[17:52] <bigcalm> directhex: just nabbed your latest torrent. I am currently seeding beta1 & beta2. What should I drop (if any)?
[17:52] <bigcalm> beta1 got to a ratio of 0.4. beta2 got to 30.1 :)
[17:53] <directhex> bigcalm, drop everything that isn't release 4
[17:53] <directhex> (i've simplified the version numbering now, too)
[17:53] <bigcalm> Okay
[17:55] <daftykins> shauno: weekend work O_O
[17:55] <shauno> it's not that bad
[17:56] <shauno> I had thursday/friday off, will have monday/tuesday off, and enjoy two shifts with no adult supervision
[17:56] <daftykins> \o/
[17:58] <shauno> eg; the most I've done in the last 2 hours, is try to figure out why this client has no gg.png
[17:59] <daftykins> :D
[17:59] <daftykins> can i have a job?
[18:18] <popey> wheee 5MB/s
[18:18] <daftykins> :)
[18:49] <daftykins> haha, my brothers latest toy is a quadracopter
[18:49] <daftykins> the views of Guernsey are quite nice in this one
[18:49] <daftykins> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcHqoiV-Z8c
[18:50] <bigcalm> That's incredibly steady
[18:50] <bigcalm> No wind I'm guessing
[18:51] <daftykins> it was pretty good yesterday
[18:51] <bigcalm> Sounds like a herd of strimmers
[18:52] <popey> whih one is it?
[18:53] <bigcalm> It appears to be in the 'gaming' category, bit odd
[18:54] <daftykins> yeah i thought that
[18:55] <bigcalm> Is it a live feed back to the controls, or is it only available once downloaded?
[18:55] <bigcalm> I want one now
[18:55] <daftykins> i was given the vid link and that's all i know unfortunately
[18:55] <daftykins> lol
[18:56] <bigcalm> Pfft
[18:59] <daftykins> i suspect it was just a goPro attached
[19:01] <bigcalm> Time to do my duty and be in the sitting room while Dancing on Ice is on. Hooray for laptop and headphones!
[19:01] <popey> hahaha
[19:01] <popey> unlucky
[19:02] <bigcalm> It's nice to spend time together, even if we're doing different things
[19:02] <daftykins> =]
[19:02] <bigcalm> Today's big outing was to Dreams
[19:02] <daftykins> anything but that :'(
[19:02] <penguin42> did you fall asleep?
[19:03] <bigcalm> Spent over 1.2K on a new mattress :S
[19:03] <diddledan> ouch
[19:03] <popey> wat
[19:03] <popey> u mad bro
[19:03] <bigcalm> Yus
[19:03] <diddledan> by eck that's alotta dough
[19:03] <bigcalm> I'm looking forward to sleeping well once more
[19:03] <popey> i should coco for that amount
[19:03] <penguin42> hmm, I can see how that can happen; I spent about 700 on one probably near 7 years ago - and that was a custom size but only a bit over single
[19:03] <popey> I'd expect to never wake up
[19:03] <penguin42> bigcalm: Temper ?
[19:04] <bigcalm> I think it was something like 1.1K for the mattress and then extra for the delivery and wotnot
[19:04] <penguin42> (tempor?)
[19:04] <bigcalm> penguin42: amazingly no. We didn't find the Temper as comfortable
[19:04] <penguin42> bigcalm: Was it a clone of a temper or a more normal one?
[19:04] <diddledan> silentnight?
[19:05] <bigcalm> penguin42: more normal one. I should go and find the receipt
[19:05] <penguin42> nod; mine is a Temper clone
[19:05] <diddledan> that's the one that makes you feel weightless (according to the advert)
[19:05] <bigcalm> popey: made use of wedding money. Only way we could ever entertain the idea of a new decent mattress
[19:05] <penguin42> diddledan: Which is rubbish - they are comfy but not that weightless
[19:05] <diddledan> I think waking up feeling weightless might make my mind go madder than it already is (at least for the moment)
[19:06] <popey> our mattress was bought from amazon while laying on the old one.
[19:06] <popey> "Alan, order a new mattress"
[19:06] <popey> "How about this one?"
[19:06] <popey> "Looks good"
[19:06] <diddledan> popey: lifestyle of champions
[19:06] <popey> "Ok, I'll be here on monday"
[19:06] <daftykins> brother says he had first person view showing lots of telemetry
[19:06] <penguin42> popey: Do you have it on subscription?
[19:06] <popey> hah, no
[19:06] <popey> *it'll
[19:06] <diddledan> if you pay more on amazon they'll be kind enough not to show you adverts
[19:07] <penguin42> really?
[19:07] <daftykins> so he has goggles for it @_@ http://www.fatshark.com/
[19:07] <diddledan> I wonder how adverts will work on a mattress though
[19:07] <popey> amazon is one giant advert
[19:08] <popey> I am sure I tested my RPi powered by a USB battery but I can't remember how long it lasted
[19:08] <popey> wondering how long the battery would last powering Pi and two motors, scuttling around
[19:09] <diddledan> surely that'll depend on the size of your epeen.. erm.. battery
[19:09] <popey> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141142336606?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649
[19:09] <popey> 13000mah
[19:09] <bigcalm> £1,284.98 Sotheby
[19:09] <diddledan> so 13 hours at 1amp delivery
[19:10] <diddledan> bigcalm: did you just fish out the receipt, you geek?
[19:10] <popey> might need to get a newer Pi
[19:10] <bigcalm> diddledan: yes, I paid on my personal debit card. Needed the amount so that I can transfer it from the joint account
[19:11] <diddledan> why is it when a person from a known category of society comments on another person's membership of that same category it isn't as offensive as when a third person who isn't a member does so in the same manner?
[19:12] <diddledan> e.g. kids at school yelling "GEEEEEEEK" vs me calling bigcalm a geek just now
[19:12] <daftykins> the pot and the kettle are on better terms
[19:12] <bigcalm> :)
[19:13] <diddledan> does the pot call the kettle the word beginning with N that those of the opposing chroma value aren't allowed anywhere near?
[19:15] <diddledan> at the risk of being mildly offensive I think the phrase should be changed to "wassup my racially equivalent male sibling?!"
[19:15] <shauno> diddledan: what have I told you about thinking too much?
[19:15] <diddledan> shauno: it's a curse
[19:16] <diddledan> shauno: I'm good at foot-in-mouth disease
[19:17] <daftykins> in some ways i wonder if the words' power/value would be destroyed if we all just chose to use it from one day forward
[19:17] <shauno> I've just figured out that toys that I thought were broke, aren't.  which is almost as good as having new toys to play with
[19:17] <bigcalm> Aha, I think I've found the mattress on the website: http://www.dreams.co.uk/mattresses/pocket-spring-mattresses/sotheby-mattress
[19:17] <diddledan> shauno: bedroom antics getting spicy?
[19:18] <shauno> even better!  a hf upconverter for this lil sdr dongle wotsit
[19:19] <diddledan> bigcalm: it only works for 40 days and 40 nights? that's somewhat biblical at least
[19:19] <bigcalm> Hehe
[19:19] <daftykins> popey + bigcalm the copter appears to be: http://www.dji.com/product/phantom-2/
[19:19] <bigcalm> diddledan: if after 30 days, and before 40 days) one is unhappy with the mattress, one can change it for another one
[19:20] <bigcalm> daftykins: ta
[19:20] <daftykins> you can program it to follow waypoints via GPS O_O
[19:20] <bigcalm> £352 from the 1st site
[19:20] <bigcalm> Interesting
[19:21] <bigcalm> Cool
[19:21] <diddledan> daftykins: bigcalm: this cross-purpose conversation looks weird - I read a statement about a mattress being replaceable followed by a comment that you can set it to use gps
[19:21] <daftykins> XD
[19:21] <bigcalm> Haha
[19:22] <daftykins> bigcalm: i think my brothers getting all the toys in before the plan to have a baby with his Mrs succeeds!
[19:22] <diddledan> because we all need a mattress that takes you down a narrow lane in the middle of the night
[19:22] <daftykins> doesn't yours?
[19:23] <diddledan> it hasn't done so yet, but then I haven't plugged it in.. ever
[19:23] <diddledan> so it's probably got no juice
[19:24] <daftykins> ah-har
[19:24] <daftykins> under-utilised :(
[19:24] <diddledan> let's leave my personal life out of this :-p
[19:30] <daftykins> http://pastebin.com/Wj07L3Bx
[19:30] <daftykins> amusing email
[19:58] <ali1234> http://www.snopes.com/humor/letters/landgrab.asp
[19:58] <ali1234> sorry
[19:58] <ali1234> certainly not 100% true
[19:58] <daftykins> i hardly need fact to keep it entertaining ;) was just one of a contacts many emails
[19:59] <daftykins> i'm somewhat surprised you went out of your way to check
[20:00] <ali1234> it's what i do
[20:01] <daftykins> Captain Buzzkill :D
[20:02] <ali1234> this one is real: http://www.uproxx.com/webculture/2013/06/this-cease-and-desist-response-is-pretty-amazing/
[20:04] <ali1234> shauno: HF upconverter allows it to receiver lower frequencies right?
[20:05] <shauno> that's the plan
[20:05] <ali1234> how much would that type of thing cost and can i build it myself?
[20:05] <shauno> it's not going so well, but that's the idea.  to move 0-30 to 100-130  (better ones have a 125MHz LO so you don't get clobbered by the broadcast band)
[20:07] <ali1234> does it not shift *everything*?
[20:07] <shauno> nooelec have a variant for about $40, which has a better reputation than mine ('ham it up').  mine was about 20e from hungary
[20:07] <ali1234> i know nothing about radio
[20:08] <shauno> I actually have very little idea how it works myself.  I know that you start with an input signal and a local oscillator.  after that, "a stork brings it"
[20:09] <penguin42> ali1234/shauno: It's pretty simple
[20:09] <penguin42> ali1234: What you do is you multiply/mix a sine wave oscillator with your signal and out of that mixer you get   signal+sine and signal-sine frequencies
[20:10] <penguin42> ali1234: You then put a filter in to keep only the bits you're interested in
[20:10] <penguin42> ali1234: The process is called heterodyning
[20:10] <shauno> I just view it as being a superhet backwards
[20:10] <penguin42> why backwards?
[20:10] <shauno> instead of using a VFO to bring it down to an IF, I'm going up instead
[20:10] <penguin42> nod
[20:11] <ali1234> :S
[20:11] <ali1234> big words
[20:11] <ali1234> penguin42: i went and bugged the systemd people about the alsa problem and one of them sent a patch to alsa-devel
[20:11] <penguin42> shauno: You have to be a little careful to make sure the LO and the products you get from it land outside where ever your filter is
[20:12] <penguin42> ali1234: Ah cool
[20:12] <shauno> I'm not sure there's a filter doing it this way?
[20:13] <penguin42> shauno: You don't necessarily need one as long as you're careful about which bit of the output frequency range you're looking at
[20:13] <ali1234> wouldn't you just do the filter in software anyway?
[20:13] <shauno> I understand that in normal usage, you have a variable oscillator, a fixed output frequency, and you filter each side of the output frequency
[20:14] <shauno> this thing has a fixed oscillator, and a wide output, so I tune around inside the output
[20:14] <penguin42> shauno: Yeh but in reality you tend to have multiple oscillators/mixers/filter stages
[20:14] <penguin42> ali1234: Yes but only if you're careful that the sets of outputs you get into your sampling don't alias to each other
[20:16] <shauno> this one looks incredibly simple; http://www.ebay.ie/itm/181300457997  (the one I have, not necessarily the one I'd recommend)
[20:16] <shauno> the shiney that's hard to read in the pictures is labelled 100M
[20:18] <penguin42> shauno: Oh that's neat
[20:18] <penguin42> shauno: So say you've got a signal at 10MHz, if I understand correctly you're signal will end up appearing at 90MHz and 110MHz on the output
[20:19] <ali1234> i know for a fact i have a 100Mhz crystal in my junk box...
[20:20] <shauno> I believe that's the plan, yeah
[20:20] <shauno> although so far it's not what I'd hoped for.  but it does seem to be working, I've found some SW broadcast bands
[20:21] <penguin42> shauno: Now, say you've got an incoming signal at 50MHz, you'll get an output at 150MHz and oh hmm 50MHz which will probably get confusing with the input
[20:21] <ali1234> http://blog.kf7lze.net/tag/up-converter/ <- this looks pretty simple
[20:21] <shauno> a 100MHz LO wasn't the best idea though.  I know 'ham it up' have an option of a 125MHz xtal so you're not fighting the broadcast band
[20:24] <shauno> ali1234: you can go the other direction too.  I found someone who was bringing 8GHz down to something a cheap sdr could reach, which (plus a large dish) allowed him to copy the china mars thing
[20:24] <ali1234> awesome
[20:24] <penguin42> nice
[20:25] <ali1234> on a slightly unrelated topic, is there any good oscilloscope software for linux?
[20:30] <MartijnVdS> JamesTait: "The last Monday of January is bubble wrap awareness day"</QI>
[20:53] <DJones> Finally, a use for cats https://scontent-b-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/q71/999929_631936796891355_917710229_n.jpg Pillows :)
[20:56] <shauno> they also make good draught excluders
[20:57] <MartijnVdS> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRPWlBAgSnw
[21:25] <bigcalm> Opened terminal, forgot why
[21:26] <shauno> I do that with the fridge
[21:27] <shauno> often when the fridge wasn't involved in the original plan at all.  just sit and stare for a little while, until I remember I was looking for a coffee cup
[21:28] <daftykins> :D
[21:29] <daftykins> i have a thing with browsing onto my storage array, if i need to do something work related i go into the TV Series folder, if i need to do something TV series related i go into the work folder
[21:32] <shauno> OH   that reminds me sherlock's tonight.  ta muchley
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> shauno: too late
[21:32] <MartijnVdS> it started an hour ago
[21:32] <shauno> too late is even betterer, it won't be on the webs until it's finished :)
[21:36]  * bigcalm pats the PVR
[21:36] <ali1234> mythtv :)
[21:36] <bigcalm> Or DVR
[21:36]  * bigcalm lets things get recorded
[21:36] <bigcalm> get_iplayer FTW!
[21:37] <shauno> yeah I have one of those, but I don't get HD here.  74e a month and no HD
[21:37] <shauno> and the UI is horrible.  it feels like the hardware is 4 years behind where the software thinks it is
[21:39] <shauno> it was fine until they tried to be clever with transparent overlays.  oh well
[21:43] <shauno> I guess I just generally dislike my ISP.  they sent me a letter telling me that if I continue to transfer this much, they'll have to bump me to a higher tier
[21:44] <shauno> so I phoned them up and asked if I could have moar internets, and they had to admit they don't have a higher tier
[21:45] <daftykins> lol
[21:45] <daftykins> great letter
[21:45] <daftykins> how much are you pushing?
[21:46] <ali1234> iplayer is terrible quality :/
[21:47] <shauno> the letter says 834GB, and appparently 'unlimited' is 500
[21:49] <bigcalm> ali1234: not terrible for radio shows :)
[21:53] <Myrtti> popey: http://www.indiedb.com/games/catlateral-damage
[21:53] <daftykins> shauno: perhaps it's easier to have two services to the same property :D
[21:53] <bigcalm> Time to buy a new laptop. This one can't cope with my very simple dev needs. *grumble*
[21:54] <shauno> that I'm actually curious about.  I have two IPs off them and I shouldn't.  so I'm not sure if they're accounting for that
[21:56] <SuperMatt> http://imgur.com/9QF7FFz <- this is me right now
[21:57] <bigcalm> Do I want to buy a Lenovo or Dell?
[21:57]  * bigcalm pokes popey 
[21:57] <bigcalm> popey: what laptop do you have?
[21:57] <shauno> we're apparently moving to lenovo at work.  thinkpad->dell inspiron->hp probook->thinkpad.  I guess.
[21:58] <shauno> I'm not complaining though.  it seems they've decided the best way to migrate to win7 is to just start issuing everyone new laptops
[21:58] <daftykins> ;/
[21:58] <daftykins> i suppose it takes away the time pressure
[22:00] <shauno> I can't believe I'm excited about a windows upgrade.  I'll finally be able to use over 2.7GB of ram!
[22:00] <shauno> (my current machine has 8GB of ram and windows XP)
[22:00] <daftykins> work one?
[22:00] <shauno> yeah
[22:00] <daftykins> ouch >_<
[22:00] <daftykins> untapped potential
[22:02] <popey> bigcalm: x220
[22:02] <bigcalm> popey: ta
[22:03] <popey> current laptops on my list of "what I would like if someone else was paying" is dell xps and thinkpad x1 carbon
[22:03] <popey> the new xps with touchscreen would be handy for me
[22:06] <moreati> popey: the current base model macbook pro 15 works very well with Trusty. Down side is complete lack of upgradability, and fragility of Apple PSU
[22:07] <shauno> fragility .. physically?
[22:07] <moreati> shauno: yes, where the DC cable meets each end
[22:07] <shauno> ah, yeah.  I go through about one a year :/
[22:08] <popey> i had one replaced after 3 years
[22:08] <moreati> shauno: if you can solder then just the cable is available on eBay for ~£10
[22:08] <popey> out of warranty, apple replaced both the power board in the laptop and the external supply
[22:08] <moreati> no such luck here
[22:09] <popey> ☹
[22:09] <shauno> my current solution has been to get one for work and one for home, so I'm not rolling it up 4 days a week
[22:16] <daftykins> their length can be a downside sometimes, eh?
[22:17] <bigcalm> Why is it so difficult to find high end screen res on lenovo and dell websites?
[22:17] <bigcalm> I don't want to just buy the most expensive thing
[22:18] <shauno> it's not the length, it's that now and then they sacrifice sturdy for pretty
[22:18] <shauno> apple basically suck at cables and mice
[22:18] <shauno> (mice because they hate buttons, which is a mooses dayjob)
[22:19] <daftykins> :)
[22:19] <daftykins> bigcalm: i know what you mean, so many laptops are still restricted to the depths of 1366x768 instead of at least a 1080p panel
[22:24] <bigcalm> Looking at http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537 as it's something that I can afford
[22:31] <Azelphur> bigcalm: that hard drive will drag the system down, forking out for a touch screen on a laptop isn't great imo
[22:32] <bigcalm> Azelphur: I'll be replacing the HDD with an SSD I already have spare. I don't care for touch screens. It seems the most affordable performance machine with high res screen though
[22:32] <shauno> I think touchscreens are kinda personal.  some people love them, some people hate them (for me, if you leave a thumbprint on my screen I'll leave you unable to procreate)
[22:33]  * bigcalm chuckles
[22:33] <daftykins> hehehe :D
[22:33] <daftykins> yeah screen touching has always been a grating one for me
[22:34] <shauno> "you're pointing .. you're pointing .. noooo ... now you must die"
[22:36] <shauno> the polish guy at work just grabs your hand and moves it away.  I wish I had that confidence.
[22:36] <Azelphur> :p
[22:37] <Azelphur> bigcalm: if you're feeling brave, laptops are much cheaper in USA
[22:37] <bigcalm> Nope, I'm a chicken
[22:37] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:38] <daftykins> it's when they poke so hard you can see the LCD colours go funky
[22:39] <daftykins> Azelphur: how're your super bandwidths sir?
[22:39] <Azelphur> It's evening now, so fine
[22:39]  * bigcalm tootles off to bed
[22:40] <daftykins> Azelphur: oh right it's only in peak hours it sucks?
[22:40] <Azelphur> yu
[22:40] <Azelphur> p
[22:42] <shauno> I remember when I first got the internet.  I digitized my circadian rhythm; 'peak hours' became 'bedtime'
[22:42] <Azelphur> same, I was on free dialup
[22:42] <shauno> we had the free dialup you paid for.  which makes sense according to BT
[22:44] <shauno> iirc you could pay 15 squids/mo and get the calls free, or pay nothing and pay penny/minute for the calls
[22:44] <shauno> both they termed 'free'
[22:44] <Azelphur> haha
[22:45] <daftykins> i had to beg for AOL after years of 1p/min
[22:45] <daftykins> ;/
[22:46] <shauno> I just remember spending way too long on the phone to them trying to get the right dial-in number when I spent a week away from home
[22:46] <Azelphur> hehe
[22:46] <shauno> at which point I was paying 1p/m for the call because I wasn't at home, and 15/mo for the account
[22:47] <shauno> I think it just stands out because it was the first time I realised I was paying for the privilege of teaching tech support
[22:48] <popey> the only reason I want a touch screen laptop is to test ubuntu touch apps ☻
[22:49] <shauno> I'd love a touchscreen laptop if my laptop was small/light enough to wipe the screen off on my shirt
[22:50] <popey> hah
[22:50] <popey> i find myself wiping the camera more than the screen
[22:50] <Myrtti> imgur is full of cats today it seems
[22:51] <shauno> isn't that what the internet's for?
[22:51] <Myrtti> http://imgur.com/gallery/hVDBjSl
[23:00] <popey> Myrtti: thanks for that cat link
[23:03] <Myrtti> popey: np
[23:09] <popey> http://www.theserverstore.com/content/dell-poweredge-c6100-servers
[23:09] <popey> hmm
[23:28] <ali1234> a review of my predictions for 2013, made in 2012: https://plus.google.com/117474986382867317779/posts/iL21YorCLXf
[23:29] <Azelphur> ali1234: I should do that sort of thing, people would stop telling me I was crazy xD
[23:29] <shauno> Azelphur: how do I put this gently.  you are crazy.
[23:29] <Azelphur> true
[23:31] <popey> bigcalm: what did you order?