[01:40] rick_h_: Glad you seem to be liking Codex Alera. That's on my to-read list [02:30] is beautfiulsoup4 missing from PyPI for anyone else? (it is for me) [03:16] try missingfrompypiorjustme.com :) i've no idea [03:17] I filed a bug on the pypi tracker [03:17] does is show for you? (if you search for it form pypi's main page) [03:19] There were no matches. [03:19] did you get "Not Found ()"? [03:19] did you really search for beatfiul soup instead of beautiful soup? [03:20] i get this https://pypi.python.org/pypi/BeautifulSoup/3.2.1 [03:20] yar https://pypi.python.org/pypi/beautifulsoup4 [03:20] not found [03:20] that the version 3 package.. 4 is supposed to be out there as well. [03:21] pip-tools is missing too [03:21] but, now that I use Chrome, I don't get the "Not Found ()" error, so one issue may be my plethora of Firefox plugins getting in the way. (cmaloney, be quiet). [03:23] actually the main thing I was surprised to see was that beautifulsoup4 and pip-tools have "dissappeard" from pypi with seemingly no explanation. [03:23] you can get it from here: http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/ [03:23] i've no idea why it is gone from pypi [03:24] I use urlwatch to monitor packages for updates and was surpised to see some packages go "missing".. [03:24] bummer [03:24] the packages are still present at http://pypi.python.org/simple.. so I'm guessing that "pip installs" will still work. [03:24] I'm not in a bind, just found it very odd. [03:52] jsivak: using pip 1.5? [03:52] there were some big changes in that changelog that aren't backward compat that might cause isuses [03:59] jsivak: make sure to check out the stuff about external urls (which BS4 seems to be an externally hosted package) http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/news.html [04:01] I think if they want to host them externally they've got to check extra bits in pypi to get shown and such [04:01] but I upload all mine so not sure on the process off the top of my head [04:05] the mirroring support was/is dropped in pip 1.5 due to PYPI moving to the CDN network and the old mirror's being decommissioned in 2014.02. [04:06] jsivak: right, but the uploads vs links stuff has been going on with the CDN for a while [04:06] Yeah, but the BeautifulSoup4 PYPI page should "still be displaying" in pypi.. same goes for pip-tools. Unless those authors removed the projects, which I can't find any confirmation of. [04:07] or pypi removed them since they're just external links [04:07] it just wierd.. its not causing me any strife now, I'm just curious how many other packages are "disappearing" from pypi. [04:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/inotifyx/+bug/1265995 [04:07] more than a few it seems [04:08] that's from last week [04:09] I haven't test this yet, but BS4 and pip-tools are still listed in pypi.python.org/simple.. so I'd guess that 'pip install' will still isntall them. [04:09] well, try the -- flags in the release if you are on pip 1.5 [04:09] or downgrading to an older pip and seeing maybe? [04:09] I don't have them in my pypi mirror, but again, they're linked outside [04:09] so that's strange, since it's got a mirror'ed 'simple' [04:10] I have copies local (on our sd2 system).. so the only reason I noticed them "go missing" was due to my scheduled url checks via urlwathc. [04:10] (er, urlwatch) [04:12] tx for checking; I'll have to see if my bug report gets any responses. [04:12] go to pycon and ask the people working on pypi :) [04:12] I've pinged alex garynor on twitter. I seem to recall him ping'ing some package authors about updating some stuff [04:13] it make pip faster if your packages were hosted and a checkbox was set or something [04:13] useful for CI runs and such [04:13] though download-cache ftw and such [04:15] jsivak: you see https://twitter.com/zzzeek/status/422165053899800576 ? [04:19] rick_h_: regarding the pypy speeds? [04:19] jsivak: yea, 2x sqlalchemy benchmarks in a nightly release [04:20] so next pypy release might be interesting to try and see how much will/won't run [04:20] I'll have to put pypy on the radar then.. :) [04:20] still surpised the pypy can get those kinds of speed improvements. [16:19] anyone ever use treesheets? http://strlen.com/treesheets/ [18:23] never heard of it jrwren_ [18:28] cmaloney: something to get you interested in woodworking http://www.hauspanther.com/2014/01/09/amazing-german-designed-cat-climbing-furniture/?utm_content=buffer839c6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer [18:36] afternoon [18:36] rick_h_: hah