[01:40] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Glad you seem to be liking Codex Alera. That's on my to-read list
[02:30] <jsivak> is beautfiulsoup4 missing from PyPI for anyone else? (it is for me)
[03:16] <jrwren_> try missingfrompypiorjustme.com :)  i've no idea
[03:17] <jsivak> I filed a bug on the pypi tracker
[03:17] <jsivak> does is show for you? (if you search for it form pypi's main page)
[03:19] <jrwren_> There were no matches.
[03:19] <jsivak> did you get "Not Found ()"?
[03:19] <jrwren_> did you really search for beatfiul soup instead of beautiful soup?
[03:20] <jrwren_> i get this https://pypi.python.org/pypi/BeautifulSoup/3.2.1
[03:20] <jrwren_> yar https://pypi.python.org/pypi/beautifulsoup4
[03:20] <jrwren_> not found
[03:20] <jsivak> that the version 3 package.. 4 is supposed to be out there as well.
[03:21] <jsivak> pip-tools is missing too
[03:21] <jsivak> but, now that I use Chrome, I don't get the "Not Found ()" error, so one issue may be my plethora of Firefox plugins getting in the way. (cmaloney, be quiet).
[03:23] <jsivak> actually the main thing I was surprised to see was that beautifulsoup4 and pip-tools have "dissappeard" from pypi with seemingly no explanation.
[03:23] <jrwren_> you can get it from here: http://www.crummy.com/software/BeautifulSoup/
[03:23] <jrwren_> i've no idea why it is gone from pypi
[03:24] <jsivak> I use urlwatch to monitor packages for updates and was surpised to see some packages go "missing"..
[03:24] <jrwren_> bummer
[03:24] <jsivak> the packages are still present at http://pypi.python.org/simple.. so I'm guessing that "pip installs" will still work.
[03:24] <jsivak> I'm not in a bind, just found it very odd.
[03:52] <rick_h_> jsivak: using pip 1.5?
[03:52] <rick_h_> there were some big changes in that changelog that aren't backward compat that might cause isuses
[03:59] <rick_h_> jsivak: make sure to check out the stuff about external urls (which BS4 seems to be an externally hosted package) http://www.pip-installer.org/en/latest/news.html
[04:01] <rick_h_> I think if they want to host them externally they've got to check extra bits in pypi to get shown and such
[04:01] <rick_h_> but I upload all mine so not sure on the process off the top of my head
[04:05] <jsivak> the mirroring support was/is dropped in pip 1.5 due to PYPI moving to the CDN network and the old mirror's being decommissioned in 2014.02.
[04:06] <rick_h_> jsivak: right, but the uploads vs links stuff has been going on with the CDN for a while
[04:06] <jsivak> Yeah, but the BeautifulSoup4 PYPI page should "still be displaying" in pypi.. same goes for pip-tools. Unless those authors removed the projects, which I can't find any confirmation of.
[04:07] <rick_h_> or pypi removed them since they're just external links
[04:07] <jsivak> it just wierd.. its not causing me any strife now, I'm just curious how many other packages are "disappearing" from pypi.
[04:07] <rick_h_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inotifyx/+bug/1265995
[04:07] <rick_h_> more than a few it seems
[04:08] <rick_h_> that's from last week
[04:09] <jsivak> I haven't test this yet, but BS4 and pip-tools are still listed in pypi.python.org/simple.. so I'd guess  that 'pip install' will still isntall them.
[04:09] <rick_h_> well, try the -- flags in the release if you are on pip 1.5
[04:09] <rick_h_> or downgrading to an older pip and seeing maybe?
[04:09] <rick_h_> I don't have them in my pypi mirror, but again, they're linked outside
[04:09] <rick_h_> so that's strange, since it's got a mirror'ed 'simple'
[04:10] <jsivak> I have copies local (on our sd2 system).. so the only reason I noticed them "go missing" was due to my scheduled url checks via urlwathc.
[04:10] <jsivak> (er, urlwatch)
[04:12] <jsivak> tx for checking; I'll have to see if my bug report gets any responses.
[04:12] <rick_h_> go to pycon and ask the people working on pypi :)
[04:12] <rick_h_> I've pinged alex garynor on twitter. I seem to recall him ping'ing some package authors about updating some stuff
[04:13] <rick_h_> it make pip faster if your packages were hosted and a checkbox was set or something
[04:13] <rick_h_> useful for CI runs and such
[04:13] <rick_h_> though download-cache ftw and such
[04:15] <rick_h_> jsivak: you see https://twitter.com/zzzeek/status/422165053899800576 ?
[04:19] <jsivak> rick_h_: regarding the pypy speeds?
[04:19] <rick_h_> jsivak: yea, 2x sqlalchemy benchmarks in a nightly release
[04:20] <rick_h_> so next pypy release might be interesting to try and see how much will/won't run
[04:20] <jsivak> I'll have to put pypy on the radar then.. :)
[04:20] <jsivak> still surpised the pypy can get those kinds of speed improvements.
[16:19] <jrwren_> anyone ever use treesheets? http://strlen.com/treesheets/
[18:23] <rick_h_> never heard of it jrwren_
[18:28] <rick_h_> cmaloney: something to get you interested in woodworking http://www.hauspanther.com/2014/01/09/amazing-german-designed-cat-climbing-furniture/?utm_content=buffer839c6&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
[18:36] <cmaloney> afternoon
[18:36] <cmaloney> rick_h_: hah