[05:09] morning all [05:26] hi Private_User hows things? [05:39] wbb [07:44] hi Gotango [07:47] Hi Kilos [08:32] Kilos i went to the AMD website and typed my graphic cards details. I got this [08:32] Download: [08:32] AMD Catalyst™ 13.1 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver [08:32] 102 MB 13.1 1/21/2013 [08:32] Description: [08:32] Automated installer and Display Drivers for Xorg 6.9 to Xserver 1.12 and Kernel version up to 3.4 [08:34] But ubuntu already got the Xorg thing here on my lappy [08:36] it will merge what is needed [08:36] The drivers above support English only. [08:36] The display driver requires POSIX shared memory to be enabled on the system. [08:36] but i told you to use the additional drivers tool [08:36] Kernal Sources package is no longer required if Kernel Header package is installed. [08:36] 32-Bit packages must be installed for 64-Bit Linux drivers to install or work. [08:36] *These sites are community resources, and are not supported by, or affiliated with AMD in any way [08:36] use additional rather [08:37] I dont know if additional drivers picked up the same drivers as above [08:37] always try to use what the pc wants to get [08:37] additional reads the hardware and gets the right stuff [08:37] Okay, why is Xorg here on my lappy [08:38] thats what makes the screen work [08:38] Or is it an old version of Xorg [08:38] oh ya you havent upgraded so could be [08:39] How do i check Xorg version [08:39] but additional will sort it [08:39] dont worry about it man the os knows what is needed [08:39] Okay hope so [08:40] thats why the additional drivers utility was added [08:40] When i have enough data i will tick the activate button at additional drivers [08:40] good [08:41] and do the upgrade [08:41] then everything will be better and faster [08:42] Upgrade will upgrade everything, including programs like gimp, which was 20mb , the newer version is 50mb [08:42] whew [08:42] do you use gimp? [08:42] do you know gimp? [08:42] Cant i choose what gets upgraded [08:42] in the update manager yes [08:43] Yes i used it on windows [08:43] Use gimp here too [08:43] you can untick things in update manager [08:43] but not at random [08:44] I dont want things upgraded that i will never use, just the important stuff i want upgraded [08:44] there are lots of security upgrades that you need to keep the pc safe [08:44] find what you dont use and ask here [08:45] some work with other things so you cant remove them but there will be things i had installed that you dont need [08:45] I download from trusted souces ,and hardly visit xrated websites. i dont need that much security [08:45] those we can remove from cli [08:46] there are crackers out there as well [08:46] security isnt only for sites [08:47] What things did you install [08:47] i dunno [08:47] nvidia is stil here [08:47] didnt we remove it [08:48] You said not to [08:48] How to uninstall nvidia [08:48] you can look in synaptic at what is installed and right click remove from there but read what else it wants to remove before you tell it ok [08:49] ok [08:49] if you see it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop then cancel that [08:49] or you go black screen [08:50] There is alot of nvidia stuff in synaptics [08:50] installed? [08:51] 39 nvidia packages [08:51] that show installed? [08:51] we then removed nvidia-173 [08:51] Some got a green tick some dont [08:51] green tick is installed [08:52] ok [08:52] nvidia-173 is installed green tick [08:52] bgut maybe its better to wait till you have done additional drivers before you remove them [08:53] remove that [08:53] and nvidia-173-updates [08:54] ok, uhm fglrx has not got a green tick when i type ati [08:55] if needed it will install from additional [08:56] additional installs what is needed [08:57] ok , i will do the additional driver first , then after decide what to upgrade from Update manager [08:57] ok [09:12] look if gwibber and thunderbird are installed [09:14] Nothing for them in search [09:14] I use opera for email too [09:19] I see games in synaptic aswell. Is the software center an extension of that [09:20] yes synaptic and software centre use the same repo [09:22] oh ok [09:24] but i like synaptic because its much faster and more user friendly i thinkk [09:26] Yeah Sofware center always hangs , after its crashed my pc i'm not going there again [09:26] most likely because its not upgraded [09:27] dont forget that system has all desktop stuff installed [09:27] Will have to add it to upgrade list then [09:28] dont just untick random stuff in the pdate manager when you update [09:28] You mean Upgrade [09:28] also in synaptic you can make packages lock on the installed version [09:29] but thats better to do after first upgrade [09:29] yes sorry upgrade [09:30] Whats meant by "lock on the istalled version " [09:30] so it never upgrades [09:31] oh ok [09:31] you can check the installed gimp for example and if it does everything you want you lock that version [09:31] but after the first upgrade [09:32] that dvd might not have fully installed/updated the apps [09:32] first update/upgrade is very important [09:32] What do you mean after the first upgrade. I dont want to upgrade gimp ever [09:33] Gimp works fine as it is now [09:33] thats why i say check if it does everything you want [09:33] gedit aswell [09:33] opera aswell [09:34] then you can untick that when you upgrade [09:34] Good, thats what i wana do [09:35] you can open update manager and see how many meg it says it must download [09:35] I just want the core system stuff to upgrade. The user programs left as it is [09:37] How do i do that [09:37] open it [09:37] done [09:37] it shows how much is needed near the bottom [09:37] It shows nothing [09:37] ai! [09:38] lemme see [09:38] pk [09:38] ok [09:38] does it say there are updates to install? [09:39] mine is up to date so it says there is nothing to update [09:39] It says : There are no updates to install [09:39] surely you see the packages there it wants to upgrade [09:40] whew [09:40] tick the check button [09:40] Nope its blank in those boxes [09:40] ok [09:41] the check is same as sudo apt-get update [09:42] What is it downloading now in the check [09:42] ^ [09:43] it is updating it self so it know what is out there [09:43] updating not upgrading [09:44] I had to cut the connection yesterday it got to 10MB with sudo apt-get update [09:45] update only checks what is available and tells synaptic and software centre and update manager what is available [09:46] told you the first sudo apt-get update is about 20m [09:47] update manager is now doing what you didnt finish with apt-get update [09:47] Ok i will let it work [09:49] I guess so [09:52] very frustrating being restricted with data [09:53] thats why when 8ta brought out the 2+1 for less than voda charged for 500m i jumped [09:54] It finished the update , but didn't give the any number at bottom, still blank boxes [09:55] yay then you can close it and open synaptic [09:55] I will try telkom mobile, i just hope my modem accpets the sim, it wont accept vodacom [09:55] what modem [09:56] ok [09:56] you might need to unlock it if it is cellc branded [09:56] My usb stick modem with cellc sim in [09:56] ya man make and model [09:56] Nope its from portugal and unlocked already [09:56] they can be unlocked to accept all sims [09:57] ok well lets hope then [09:57] you have a cell phone [09:57] with data cable [09:58] i used mine as a modem for a long time, that was slow [09:58] Nope , my phones screens broken , i only got the ub modem [09:58] if its only the screen it can still work as a modem [09:58] ya , the phone has only dialup speed [09:58] ubuntu sees it [09:59] The usb stick got broadband HSDPA [09:59] this is iff your modem doesnt see telkom sim [09:59] lol i cant even read an sms [09:59] being hsdpa capable is useless it the provider cant provide the 3g [10:00] Will get a phone when i need one [10:00] im just saying if modem dont see telkom sim you can use fone [10:00] no need to buy one [10:01] ya that true, wish telkom mobile works and has 3G coverage here. Telkom got a big office in town [10:01] ubuntu doesnt need the phones screen to work to connect [10:02] The phone also dont pick up usb cable, so it needs to be flashed too [10:02] ai! [10:03] Anyway i will cross those bridges when i get there [10:03] but dont worry about that yet [10:03] So what now in synaptic [10:03] try telkom sim first and hope it works then you smiling [10:03] ok type in gimp [10:04] 66 results for gimp [10:04] tick on one [10:04] one thats installed [10:05] then go to package and tick lock version [10:05] you can lock whatever you dont want to have upgraded at a later stage [10:06] You mean the main gimp program [10:06] yes [10:06] you can do it to them all [10:06] I cant see the main gimp file [10:07] if it had something like gimp.exe i will understand thats the main one but it doesnt [10:09] it must be there at the top [10:10] gimp then gimp-data [10:12] I think i found it 13MB . [10:12] Its got a green lock now and shows red [10:12] is that the size of the installed version or is that what it wants to fetch still [10:13] ok open terminal [10:13] sudo aptitude reinstall gimp [10:13] then see what aptitude says [10:14] At the size it says 13MB and at the download row it says 0 MB [10:14] oh aptitude wont work iff synaptic is open [10:14] cool [10:14] ok [10:15] ok you can lock all the installed gimp packages [10:15] Do you wana test if gimp will reinstall [10:15] and opera [10:16] The following packages will be REINSTALLED: [10:16] gimp [10:16] 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. [10:16] Need to get 0 B of archives. After unpacking 0 B will be used. [10:16] E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the gimp package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. [10:16] E: I wasn't able to locate a file for the gimp package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. [10:16] E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download [10:17] do it [10:17] oh my [10:17] Does that mean the lock worked [10:17] oh its because it isnt in the cache [10:18] the cache was updated when i updated it [10:18] i keep all packages and add them to the cache before updating but you didnt download gimp so there isnt a package to reinstall from [10:19] the cache is in /var/cache/apt/archives/ [10:19] That should not be a problem [10:19] maybe ive forgotten that command lemme thing [10:19] nope [10:20] If i ever want to install a new version of gimp i just uninstall this one and install the new one [10:20] we set your synaptic to save your downloaded packages so you archives will grow then ill give you the command to save them to another place [10:21] you just unlock it and do sudo aptitude reinstall gimp [10:21] oh ok [10:21] it will then get a later version if its there [10:22] mysql is here now and php [10:23] then you can install what you need [10:23] im waiting for you say ubuntu rocks [10:23] will keep feeding you till you realise it [10:25] I am happy with ubuntu, but until this heat on this lappy is fixed i will keep on having this ubuntu headache [10:25] you need high pressure air [10:26] I know , that will help a bit [10:27] do you know how many fans it has [10:27] if 2 isnt one dead [10:27] you need to talk to lappy peeps about that [10:29] Nope only see one fan on a heat sink [10:30] ok [10:31] later kernels are normally more efficient [10:31] ubuntu gets better with each upgrade [10:31] I'm using 3.2 , it was kernel 3.5 [10:31] I chose older version at boot [10:31] most likely 3.5 is better [10:32] I dont see 3.5 there anymore [10:32] the upgrades are to improve things [10:32] look in synaptic [10:32] then reinstall [10:33] if i have things right the upgrades are like adding service packs on xp or so [10:33] Only 3.2 stuff there now [10:33] ai! [10:34] well when you have data well sort it with aptitude [10:34] but use as is now [10:34] again you just changed things without knowing what they do [10:35] always ask first [10:35] you only revert to older things if the new one doesnt work [10:35] i go eat [10:36] The fan blew like crazy so i changed it to older version [10:36] Ok enjoy lunch [10:57] hmm... [12:57] hmm... [13:10] hrm I need a few new suits for the first time in ages [13:10] Im finding myself being invited to things I am so not prepared for [13:45] haha getting civilised [13:46] civilized [14:14] bbl [14:27] * Kilos greets [14:27] Wb Kilos [14:27] ty [14:28] are you starting to get used to ubuntu? [14:28] yw [14:29] Yes i am [14:29] yay [14:29] it groes on you unity does [14:29] the old gnome2 was much easier to learn [14:29] I see many settings options i see in forums are not included in my ubuntu [14:30] there must be something hidden or not activated [14:30] like the "Personal" tab in System Settings > Appearences are not there [14:30] do you see 4 rows of icons [14:31] lemme see [14:31] Where ? [14:31] that whole row? [14:31] personal is the first row [14:32] personal hardware and system [14:32] hardware has 2 rows [14:32] There is only "Look" and "Behaviour" tabs in Apearences settings no "Personal" [14:32] oh my [14:33] oh thats right [14:33] what more do you want there [14:34] One row in Personal , 2 rows in hardware , and 1 in System [14:34] ya thats right [14:35] I added ubuntu-tweak , it shows in Personal [14:36] what do you want to tweak [14:36] The themes and look of unity [14:36] i thought you dont want fancy stuff [14:37] there was another thing [14:37] I like Verdana font so i replaced Ubuntu system font using ubuntu-tweak [14:37] hmm... [14:37] No i wana get rid of the fancy stuff , animations and stuff [14:37] for your text? [14:37] No luck with that [14:38] there is a thing called myunity you can install but i forget what it does [14:38] For everything [14:39] Maaz, google myunity for 12.04 [14:39] Kilos: "Install MyUnity 3.0 on Ubuntu 12.04/11.10/11.04 (New Release ..." http://www.noobslab.com/2012/02/install-myunity-30-on-ubuntu.html :: "Where can I find My Unity to download - Ask Ubuntu" http://askubuntu.com/questions/199492/where-can-i-find-my-unity-to-download :: "Customise Ubuntu 12.04 With myunity - YouTube" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz4MaK2LXgE [14:39] :: "MyUnity — Ubuntu Apps Directory" https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/precise/my… [14:39] Its the same as ubuntu-tweak [14:39] ah [14:40] Can only make minimal changes, and gives another less intense version of Software center [14:40] well sooner or later youll have it doing what you like [14:40] i never used software centre [14:41] use [14:47] oh another thing, ubuntu will tell you when it needs a reboot [14:47] you dont reboot with every app you install [14:47] Why is that [14:47] oh [14:48] normally only kernel and network manger stuff need a reboot [14:48] its linux [14:48] Yeah same on windows [14:48] linux only needs a reboot with serious stuff [14:49] ai! xp i had to reboot with everything i installed [14:50] when i ran the motherboard software it rebooted 7 times on its own [14:50] lol ya that was a pain when i had a xp desktop [14:50] we used to mock, "you moved the mouse, windows needs to reboot" [14:51] haha they had minds of there own [14:51] i am running 7 but cant remember how often it needed to reboot [14:51] i think also lots with the mobo driver [14:51] s [14:53] So it good that things improve, to sort out the bugs [14:53] thats how linux works [14:54] a release is brought out and there is a built in bug report goody and then dev guys worldwide work on it and in the next update/upgrade its fixed [14:54] Ya all programs works that way [14:58] Great thats how it should be [14:58] so have you got your web design tools? [15:01] Not yet, dont wana risk installing it and something happens with the upgrade that makes me lose them [15:01] ai! [15:02] you then saw there is nothing to upgrade [15:03] Mysql is a background service and makes the cpu work harder. I wana sort the driver issue first [15:03] ah [15:03] When this lappy is cool enough i will install them all [15:04] is mysql and sqlite similar stuff [15:05] nm i dont need to know that [15:05] they got the same syntax, but different ways they organise there databases [15:05] head too full already [15:06] lol, the head has infinate space [15:06] not mine. half my brain leaked out [15:06] Why do you say i got nothing to upgrade ? [15:07] you said update manager was empty [15:07] It says nothing to update yes [15:07] if there was upgrading it would have showed the packages [15:07] but what about that first upgrade thing ? [15:08] the reastersys tool must have sorted that [15:08] remastersys [15:08] You said it will be large download [15:08] oh [15:09] yeah well there is a new kernel but i dont know why you didnt get it [15:09] So i dont have to waste so much data then [15:09] What new kernel [15:09] if you do audo apt-get upgrade it should show you [15:09] an improved one i think [15:09] lemme look what i have in here [15:10] ok [15:11] linux-headers 3.2.0. 58.88 [15:13] linux-headers 3.2.0. 57.87 [15:13] linux-image 3.2.0-58.88 [15:14] Those are big files hey [15:15] normally they about 50m together [15:15] up to 80m [15:15] linux-image files show 113mb by me [15:16] linux-headers 56mb [15:16] but those you dont choose, ubuntu chooses them as updates come [15:17] Those ones are already installed [15:17] ya the images show 113m but download of 38m [15:17] oh ok [15:17] yes dont worry about them [15:18] if we can get a debdelta server going somehwere then we can save like 80% on upgrading [15:18] So i will just tick the activate button at additional drivers when i got the data [15:18] because the server only supplies what you need [15:19] yes [15:19] debdelta sounds interesting [15:19] So SA dont got one [15:21] i dont think ubuntu has one anywhere [15:21] only mint i think it was [15:21] oh no debian [15:21] oh ok [15:21] when you have data you run [15:22] sudo apt-get update && sudo aptitude upgrade [15:22] There is nothing to run though [15:22] save that command [15:22] ok [15:22] aptitude upgrades kernels too [15:23] I hope it improves things [15:23] yes it will but im sure your heat is inside [15:24] dust build up [15:24] arent lappies supposed to be service [15:24] or do peeps use them till they crash then buy new ones [15:25] Nope this is a second hand lappy, service expired long agao [15:25] im asking are they supposed to have services like cars do [15:25] i know my desktop needs a good blow clean every 2 months or so [15:26] Well the components are very hard to find compared to aa desktop. When you service it you will wait for many months for the correct part [15:27] i mean just clean outs [15:27] your fan blows out right? [15:28] so where does air get in for it to blow out [15:28] Well this lappy never go a good cleanout before, and lappies are usually poorly ventilated [15:29]