jarkkoanyone here?00:14
valoriekeep in mind it's Sunday, and night in Europe00:14
valoriehow's india, shadeslayer?00:15
shadeslayerjarkko: ssup00:15
shadeslayervalorie: cold00:15
valoriecolder than Barcelona!?00:15
shadeslayerI was internetless for 4 hours :(00:15
shadeslayervalorie: yeah :P00:15
shadeslayervalorie: OTOH less cold than the US :D00:16
shadeslayerjarkko: you had a question?00:19
jarkko/etc/lsb-release this file should be upgraded where to report?00:19
shadeslayerfor which release?00:19
jarkkoi am using kubuntu 13.10 and it says i have ubuntu00:19
shadeslayerI believe that is correct00:20
jarkkoyou might be right00:20
shadeslayerWe don't ship different lsb-release files for different flavors00:20
jarkkobut its kinda funny that when you open steam it says about ubuntu, when i am running kubuntu00:21
shadeslayerwell you are running ubuntu00:21
shadeslayerjust a different flavor of it00:21
shadeslayerkinda? but you are running Ubuntu ....00:21
valorieubuntu underneath, KDE on the desktop00:21
jarkkothe desktop is very different00:21
valorieall the flavors have different desktops00:22
shadeslayersure, but all of them share that file and steam on all flavors will report Ubuntu00:22
jarkkodo you know what is going to change in 14.04?00:22
jarkkoif anything?00:22
jarkkoany blog to read?00:22
shadeslayerjarkko: mostly dropping pm-utils, KDE version, and other under the hood changes00:23
shadeslayerlists the stuff we've been working on in the "Done" column00:24
jarkkohow does the bug thing develop meanwhile is it increasing or decreasing or being same?00:29
shadeslayerbug thing?00:30
shadeslayerI really don't follow ...00:32
jarkkois the amount of known bugs decreasing or increasing?00:37
jarkkonice interface00:38
valoriejarkko: we keep track of both launchpad bugs and some upstream KDE bugs00:40
shadeslayerno clue :(00:40
valorieand sometimes Debian stuff as well00:40
shadeslayersince alot of people don't report bugs ...00:40
shadeslayeruntil release day00:40
valorienumbers are sort of meaningless -- what counts is accurate information, and finding the person who can fix whatever is specifically wrong00:41
jarkkodo you know how many people participate on beta testing?00:41
Riddell"no metrics" :)00:41
jarkkoi bet many dont  report even after the release00:42
jarkkoyou need to have somekind of knowledge to make bug report00:42
shadeslayerre beta testing, 4 ... 5 max I suppose00:42
shadeslayeratleast the ones I know of00:42
jarkkoyou mean only 4-5 people test before beta?00:44
jarkkoare they just users or full time devs?00:44
valoriejarkko: there are specific tests which are done00:46
valoriewe call for testers and those who answer the call are heroes00:47
jarkkowould help all of if more peopel would involve00:48
valoriejarkko: it would indeed01:39
valorieso drag your friends and neighbors along in the testing adventure01:39
jarkkogetting involved should be very easy02:06
valorieany help making it easier is welcome02:07
jarkkoi doubt that many so called average user doesnt know how to submit bugs into launchpad02:07
valoriepersonally, I find the testing website to be very difficult to navigate02:07
jarkkoi have been interested few times to get into kde developemnt, getting the tools and source but i find it that kde website is not userfriendly02:08
jarkkobut i went today wayland website, 1st time and they had everything clear there02:08
jarkkosee yourself02:10
valorieyou might find http://flossmanuals.net/kde-guide/ useful02:11
valoriewe wrote it for beginning devels02:11
valorieso you found techbase difficult to penetrate?02:12
jarkkowell i pressed here and there links and it felt that i am just getting forwarded to another page and everything is so unclear02:13
jarkkowhy they just could not say that you need this tool and this, and they can be downloaded here etc02:13
valoriehttp://techbase.kde.org should be that page02:14
valorieboo if it is not02:14
valorieeven the book is linked there, i think02:14
valoriesome people prefer a guide they can download02:15
valorieavailable as epub and pdf02:15
apb1963I can't help but wonder why those links aren't in the topic02:15
valorieof this channels?02:15
valoriethis chan is for developing and packaging kubuntu02:16
valoriedunno if #kde-devel has the link in their topic02:16
apb1963<jarkko> i have been interested few times to get into kde developemnt, getting the tools and source but i find it that kde website is not userfriendly02:16
valoriebut we do in #kde-soc, where a lot of students beging02:16
apb1963ugh.  I didn't know this channel even existed until today02:17
apb1963now there's two more you've pointed to02:17
valoriehad I been asked this question in #kubuntu I would have pointed people there02:17
valorieapb1963: you might find alis useful02:17
ubottualis is a services bot that can help you find channels. Read "/msg alis help list" for help and ask any questions about it in #freenode. Example usage: /msg alis list #ubuntu* or /msg alis list *http*02:17
apb1963 <jarkko> well i pressed here and there links and it felt that i am just getting forwarded to another page and everything is so unclear02:17
valorieyes, which is why IRC is so great02:17
valorieone can ask questions and usually talk to someone02:18
valorieif patience is used02:18
valorieanyway, we're off-topic for this channel02:18
apb1963I wasn't looking for anything in particular...  but your response indicates you're not interested in making things easier for people - which is precisely the complaint jarkko had.02:18
valorieapb1963: I'm not understanding your point02:19
apb1963yes I see that02:19
apb1963no matter02:19
apb1963I don't care02:19
valorieputting random links into the topics of unrelated channels is only confusing02:19
apb1963random yes... relevant, no.02:19
apb1963or rather I should say - related02:20
valorieso KDE devel isn't relevant02:20
valoriesure it's related02:20
valorieI agree02:20
apb1963and so we come full circle back to <apb1963> I can't help but wonder why those links aren't in the topic02:20
valoriebecause KDE development is not relevant to *this* channel02:21
valorieKubuntu is a distribution02:21
valorieKDE is a community which produces a desktop02:21
valorierelated, yes02:22
apb1963Is it?  Because the folks in #kubuntu couldn't tell me the difference between kubuntu and kde running on ubuntu02:22
valoriebelieve me, I'm one of the authors of that book02:22
valorieI'd love to put the link *everywhere*02:22
valoriekubuntu is kde running on ubuntu02:23
apb1963You just said kubuntu is a distribution02:23
jarkkodoes kubuntu make any changes to kde that is distributed by kde website?02:23
apb1963and that  <valorie> KDE is a community which produces a desktop02:23
valorieright, we distribute the packages necessary to run KDE on ubuntu02:23
valorieok, necessary to run the KDE software on Ubuntu02:24
valoriejarkko: we patch as little as possible02:24
valorieprobably a bit more heavily for backports and such02:24
valoriewe upstream all the patches possible, to debian or KDE02:26
jarkkohow about kernel?02:26
jarkkohow much is it patched?02:26
valoriewe don't deal with the kernel; the ubuntu-kernel people do that02:26
valorieas to how much it is patched, I don't know02:27
apb1963I started with the minimal install iso.  I then installed kubuntu-desktop.  I was told: [08:29] <BluesKaj> no you have kde02:27
valoriemost desktop stuff doesn't directly touch the kernel02:27
valorieapb1963: he was sort of splitting hairs02:28
valoriesince the mini-ISO + Kubuntu-desktop is not identical to the manifest of the Kubuntu ISO02:28
jarkkoif someone instals ubuntu and then installs another DE on top of that where should he report bugs ;)02:28
valorielaunchpad, unless the bug is in KDE02:29
valoriethe trick is knowing the difference02:29
apb1963[08:27] <apb1963> is there a way to be sure?   [08:28] <BluesKaj> yes, open a terminal ,  kde4-config --version02:29
apb1963which resulted in his above response02:29
valorie$ kde4-config --version02:30
valorieQt: 4.8.402:30
valorieKDE Development Platform: 4.12.002:30
valoriekde4-config: 1.002:30
valoriefor me02:30
apb1963$  kde4-config --version02:30
apb1963Qt: 4.8.202:30
apb1963KDE Development Platform: 4.12.002:31
apb1963kde4-config: 1.002:31
valorieinteresting that we differ in Qt version02:31
jarkkoi got  Qt: 4.8.402:31
valorieif you want to run pure KDE almost directly from git, you can use project-neon02:32
apb1963I might also point out that I get lots of crashes of various apps... and load spikes that are significant - up to 30 and over sometimes.02:32
jarkkokde is changing from GTK to QT? i am not even sure if my claim is right and people talk about it on phoronix, what does it mean in practice?02:33
valorie#project-neon for support02:33
valorieKDE has always used Qt02:33
valorieit's GNOME that used gtk02:33
jarkkodont remember the thing right then02:33
jarkkobut its developemnt related that kde is changing something and people argue about it02:34
valorieUbuntu is changing to Qt in some areas02:34
valoriejarkko: KDE is readying for Wayland02:34
apb1963$  kde4-config --version02:34
apb1963Qt: 4.8.202:34
valoriethat isn't controversial; everyone is02:34
apb1963KDE Development Platform: 4.12.002:34
apb1963kde4-config: 1.002:34
apb1963ugh.  sorry02:34
valoriewhat is controversial is that Ubuntu is planning instead to do their own; Mir rather than Wayland02:35
valoriethey are alone in that02:35
jarkkobut thats not the thing i was thinking02:35
valorieQt and gtk are devel toolkits for C++ and C02:35
jarkkothat could be02:36
valorieMir and Wayland are the way forward from X.org02:36
valorietwo entirely different things02:36
jarkkowhy people dont see future on xorg?02:36
jarkkowhy make another display server (or whatever it is)02:37
valorieit is the x people who are creating wayland02:39
valoriethey've sort of come to the end of the line in what's possible there, i guess02:39
apb1963I think this philisophical discussion is wonderful.  However, I'd like to point out that I get lots of crashes of various apps... and load spikes that are significant - up to 30 and over sometimes.       <<<<< this is important to me.  Even when my load hovers around 1.0 the machine is sluggish, and causes problems with softphone conversations: jitsi, sflphone, zoiper.02:40
apb1963Even my mouse and keyboard get sluggish02:40
valorieok, please lets take this back to #kubuntu02:40
valoriewe are entirely off-topic here now02:40
apb1963crashes and poor performance are off-topic?02:41
valorieyes, in -devel02:43
apb1963I would think that would be of paramount importance to developers02:44
apb1963What could possibly be more important to a developer than software that's not working?02:44
valorieonce the bugs are filed, yes02:44
valoriebut most people here are not KDE application devels02:44
apb1963But are application packagers02:45
apb1963I see02:45
valorieamong other things, yes02:45
ahoneybunhowdy valorie03:01
valoriegood eveing03:02
ahoneybunyep a good sunday03:05
shadeslayerAll kubuntu ISO's from this day forth shall be pm-utils free \o/03:17
shadeslayerI can already see the users prancing around in their pm-utils free pastures03:17
jarkkowhat that mean in practise?03:18
jarkkonot familiar with the claim03:18
shadeslayerjust kicked out an outdated piece of software ?03:18
mamarleyshadeslayer: But what about the /usr/lib/pm-utils/power.d scripts?  What replaces the functionality of those?03:21
mamarleyI would guess a systemd thing, but I couldn't find any documentation about it.03:25
shadeslayerI suppose upstart takes care of everything ....03:26
mamarleyOh, upstart does that now...03:26
shadeslayermamarley: upstart exposes logind interfaces now03:26
shadeslayerand I'm presuming upstart handles all suspending issues internally or whatever03:29
shadeslayermamarley: I asked for testing last week and no one replied03:29
shadeslayernow is the time to break it, else it'll be too late03:29
shadeslayerif people complain it doesn't work, I'll add it back again03:29
mamarleySo just uninstall pm-utils?03:30
shadeslayerand upgrade trusty03:30
jarkkowhen trusty  ppa comes available?03:30
mamarleyI am already running Trusty.03:30
jarkkocan you upgrade 13.10 --> 14.04 via command line?03:31
shadeslayeroh huh, ubuntu still has pm-utils, I thought they dropped it, maybe I shouldn't have done that03:31
shadeslayermamarley: cool03:31
shadeslayerjarkko: why would you need a trusty PPA right now?03:31
jarkkowell thats like asking why do you need linux03:31
mamarleyshadeslayer: Yeah, I think it is still used for stuff like putting the WiFi adapters and soundcards and such in powersaving mode.03:31
jarkkoi dont need it, but if i wanted to try03:31
shadeslayerjarkko: okay, what do you need a trusty ppa for?03:32
jarkkojust try it out03:32
shadeslayertry out what?03:32
jarkkoi have done that earlier too03:32
jarkkohow the new version behaves03:32
shadeslayeryou have to upgrade your system, there is no 'trusty ppa' to try out trusty03:33
jarkkoearlier there have been?03:33
jarkkomust been03:33
jarkkoubuntu has its own bug reporting on launchpad, which is divided raring, trusty saucy etc...are these bugs somehow or anyway merged with other distros which may have the same bug? debian for example03:34
jarkkohow is it done03:35
shadeslayeryou add a remote bug watch03:35
shadeslayer"Also affects Distribution/Project" link on the bug03:35
jarkkoi havent seen that03:35
jarkkoor dont remember03:35
jarkkowell that's great03:36
jarkkomore eyes to look for the bugs03:36
jarkkohow kubuntu decides what direction it takes03:49
jarkkowhat packages are used03:49
shadeslayerdiscussed on kubuntu-devel03:49
jarkkofor example mesa, who decides when it gets updated?03:50
jarkkois there a wiki how kubuntu is developed?03:51
shadeslayermesa is usually not our decision, that's taken by the X team03:51
shadeslayerwe primarily deal with KDE and kde related deps03:51
jarkkowhat's X team?03:51
jarkkotrying to start conversation there now03:55
* shadeslayer goes off to look into Qt 4.8.5 merge03:59
shadeslayerRiddell: I don't suppose you're up right now05:21
shadeslayermitya57: I plan on uploading qt4-x11 today07:34
=== Toscalix_office is now known as toscalix
shadeslayermitya57: anything that I should do post upload? like recompiling things or sth?07:35
shadeslayerI've never uploaded qt merges07:35
mitya57shadeslayer: No, rebuilds are not needed07:46
mitya57shadeslayer: Did you see that Debian pushed a new snapshot yesterday?07:46
shadeslayerokay, going to upload now then :)07:46
shadeslayerI did not07:46
shadeslayermitya57: lets push this now, and then work on the new snapshot07:46
shadeslayerit's been on my todo for a week now, I want to get it out of the way07:47
=== Blizzzek is now known as Blizzz
lordievaderGood morning.09:12
soeetomorrow KDE 4.12.1 ?09:43
shadeslayersoee: building for trusty09:44
shadeslayerso maybe09:44
soeeoh nice :)09:44
Riddellshadeslayer: you pinged?09:48
shadeslayerRiddell: yeah, 4.12.1 in ninjas09:48
Riddellthink I'm still wanting to do KF5 for now unless I'm needed on it especially09:49
Riddellalthough got a funeral of an elderly family friend today so need to take a few hours away09:49
shadeslayerokie, the ping was to ask if you could upload since I dont have a good connection09:50
shadeslayerI uploaded via another server instead09:50
Riddellec2 is your friend09:55
Riddell"other cloud platforms are available"09:57
shadeslayerpower outage :S09:57
yofel!testers | 4.11.5 in ninjas needs testing for saucy10:14
ubottu4.11.5 in ninjas needs testing for saucy: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se  for information10:14
yofelif someone still runs that10:14
soeei can test tomorrow @ work10:14
soeehere on laptop im on trusty10:14
lordievaderyofel: Not on my testing machine, sorry.10:14
mitya57shadeslayer: Great work, it even built on ppc64el!10:20
shadeslayermitya57: :D10:20
* mitya57 wonders why ppc64el was so fast10:21
apacheloggernow the amd64 iso is oversized10:36
apacheloggerfor the love of darth vader :@10:36
apacheloggerlibicu has increased fattyness10:38
apacheloggershadeslayer: are you going to upload meta or something?10:39
shadeslayerI shall10:39
shadeslayerupdating meta right now10:39
apacheloggershadeslayer: you may want to hold that for a bit10:40
apacheloggerdoing some seed shuffling10:40
shadeslayerwhat sort of seed shuffling10:40
shadeslayerwell, pft http://pastebin.kde.org/pbwcwxzbi10:41
apacheloggerthe let's remove stuff that we don't need kind10:41
apachelogger!info plasma-widgets-addons10:41
ubottuplasma-widgets-addons (source: kdeplasma-addons): additional widgets for Plasma. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:4.11.3-0ubuntu0.1 (saucy), package size 1425 kB, installed size 5285 kB10:41
apacheloggerwhy that is on the ISO do not know10:42
apacheloggerah yes10:42
apacheloggershadeslayer: plasma-runner-telepathy-contact10:42
apacheloggerwhat's the rationale for having that?10:42
shadeslayerwe had a request on the ML, and it made sense10:42
shadeslayerlaunching IM chats via krunner10:42
shadeslayeralso useful in homerun IIRC10:43
apacheloggeroh homerun, yeah10:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: did upstream request that we ship that or something?10:44
shadeslayerno, user request10:44
apacheloggerbecause to me it seems slighly not useful to the target audience10:44
shadeslayerthough upstream asked why we already didn't ship that10:44
shadeslayerapachelogger: see "Package proposal for trusty" 10:45
apacheloggergoing to see bzr log and if it doesn't have refences I will get my rocket launcher10:45
shadeslayerapachelogger: doesn't have any references10:46
shadeslayer"  add plasma-runner-telepathy-contact" is all the commit message says :)10:47
apacheloggermine will say "bye bye"10:47
apacheloggerto be equally useful10:47
apacheloggerI still think * (colord-kde) is the most atrocious thing10:48
apacheloggergives me WTF whenever I see it10:48
apacheloggerand when I see colord in ps -A it gives me WTF^210:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: the ubuntu-driver stuff really needs to get sorted10:53
yofelwell, you haven't written that new way of on-demand-installing-stuff that you were talking about a few releases ago10:54
apacheloggerI am working based on assumptions here10:54
apacheloggerI do not like it10:54
apacheloggeryofel: how does that affect colord?10:54
apacheloggerthere is no reason why a normal person would use colord10:54
yofelwell, and a user that wants color correction is supposed to know about colord?10:54
apacheloggerwell no10:55
apacheloggerthey'd enter color correction in muon and kcm-colord should turn up10:55
apacheloggerwhich in turn will bring in colord10:55
yofelok, that sounds kinda reasonable..10:55
* apachelogger checks10:56
apacheloggeraint no kcm there10:56
apacheloggeractually that may be an app-data issue10:56
apacheloggerkcm desktop files are not in share/applications so they might not get picked up10:57
apachelogger!info kde-zeroconf10:58
ubottukde-zeroconf (source: kdnssd): zeroconf plugins and kio slaves for KDE. In component universe, is extra. Version 4:4.11.2-0ubuntu1 (saucy), package size 24 kB, installed size 138 kB10:58
apacheloggerExtra fonts (should be common, but not so for space reasons):10:59
apachelogger * (ttf-wqy-microhei)10:59
apachelogger * (fonts-nanum)10:59
apacheloggerconsidering we have space issues, shouldn't we remove one of those?11:00
apacheloggerApplication Install Tool for Whore^WHoary Hedgehog11:01
apacheloggerand people complain when I swear on IRC11:01
shadeslayerI think you wanted to drop kde-zeroconf no?11:03
shadeslayerIIRC you raised that on the ML11:03
* shadeslayer is +1 on that11:03
apacheloggerI did?11:03
apacheloggerI certainly had it in the review11:03
apacheloggerthat's not kde-zeroconf as it turns out11:04
apacheloggerthe kcm I was talking about is smushed into kde-runtime11:04
* Quintasan tests 4.11.512:34
Quintasanyofel: it's in Ninjas PPA/12:35
mamarley4.11.5 has a jerkiness problem with Nvidia GPUs and the binary driver.12:43
ubottuKDE bug 329821 in compositing "Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5." [Normal,Unconfirmed]12:43
* Riddell wander back12:48
Quintasanyofel: Upgrade went flawlessly12:54
QuintasanI'll restart X12:54
apacheloggertalking about upgrade12:58
apacheloggerwe need LTS upgrade testerooo12:58
QuintasanNo problems whatsover after reboot12:58
Quintasanapachelogger: as in from precise to trusty?12:58
QuintasanI think I can install trusty when I'm done with setting up RAID and LVM on my data hdds12:59
Quintasanmamarley: no jerkiness problem here13:00
mamarleyQuintasan: Are you using an Nvidia card?  If so, which driver version?13:05
Quintasanhow did I end up with no binary blob13:05
Quintasanmamarley: disregard this, I somehow don't have binary blob installed13:05
mamarleyQuintasan: That would be why.  The jerkiness only occurs with the blob, and at that, only versions that support GLX_EXT_BUFFER_AGE.13:06
BluesKajHey folks13:27
apacheloggerReading symbols from /opt/project-neon5/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liboxygenstyle.so.5...Reading symbols from /usr/lib/debug/opt/project-neon5/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liboxygenstyle.so.5.0.0...(no debugging symbols found)...done13:27
apacheloggeryofel: somehow I managed to break dbg generation13:28
apacheloggerassumed it worked at some point13:28
yofeluh, they should be there by default unless you're like building in release mode13:28
yofelor wait, you're missing the dbg package13:29
apacheloggeryofel: ^13:29
apacheloggerlog https://launchpadlibrarian.net/162319319/buildlog_ubuntu-saucy-amd64.project-neon5-kwindowsystem_0.0%2Bgit20140113.3~22bde8c%2Bneon3~13.10_UPLOADING.txt.gz13:29
apacheloggerfwiw, it works for qt13:31
yofelhm, looks fine to me? I think the disabling stuff is only about pkg-create-dbgsym13:31
yofelbah, I don't have neon5 installed here13:32
apacheloggerthe backtrace also does not contain the source reference13:33
apacheloggersee https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32990913:33
ubottuKDE bug 329909 in general "build of jan 13 crashing in kstartupinfoid" [Normal,Needsinfo: backtrace]13:33
apacheloggerso there definitely is something wrong with the strips, I have no idea what though13:33
yofeltbh, your project-neon5-kwindowsystem-dbg looks perfectly fine to me13:34
yofelwhat's liboxygenstyle.so.5 part of?13:34
apacheloggeralso looks fine13:34
apacheloggernm /usr/lib/debug/opt/project-neon5/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liboxygenstyle.so.5.0.0 even lists all the symbol names13:35
apacheloggeryet gdb says it didn't find any symbols13:35
apacheloggerI am getting too old for that stuff -.-13:35
apacheloggerno wait, it also loads the symbols apparently13:36
apacheloggerit just doesn't have source refs13:36
apacheloggeryofel: the dbg packages are suspiciously small TBH13:36
apacheloggermaybe it's because we pass both relwithdebinfo and debugfull?13:37
apacheloggerto cmake...13:37
apacheloggerand cmake picks relwithdebinfo13:37
yofelnot sure, the packages are smaller than the archive ones because we use dh8 not 913:37
yofelas for the files... I first need to install some13:38
apacheloggernow I can't get it to crash anymore13:48
apacheloggermaybe drkonqi in kf5 is fried13:49
apachelogger#27 0x00007f0984795ead in Oxygen::ComboBoxData::indexChanged() ()13:50
apachelogger   from /opt/project-neon5/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/plugins/styles/oxygen.so13:50
apacheloggerso something is definitely astray with the symbols13:50
yofel-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 80K Jan 13 06:21 /usr/lib/debug/opt/project-neon5/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/liboxygenstyle.so.5.0.013:59
yofel-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.3M Jan 12 21:07 /usr/lib/debug/opt/project-neon/lib/liboxygenstyle.so.4.12.013:59
yofelthat doesn't look right13:59
apacheloggerthat's what I said14:04
apacheloggerI think debugfull is no longer used14:04
apacheloggerat least I remember some conversation about build types in kf514:04
apacheloggerdebugfull is replaced by Debug14:05
apacheloggerat least with Debug I get actual source refs and such14:05
apacheloggerRiddell: kindly note that for official kf5 please ^ ..... if we set a specific CMAKE_BUILD_TYPE in some pkg-kde magic check that it is one of the official cmake values (Debug Release RelWithDebInfo MinSizeRel)14:07
apacheloggerotherwise it will likely not work14:07
apacheloggeryofel: relevant commit https://projects.kde.org/projects/kdesupport/extra-cmake-modules/repository/revisions/4068592ad9aa3f241027f6dbd6aff5f756671fd314:09
yofelah ok14:09
Riddellapachelogger: we set "Debian"14:10
Riddellgoodness knows what that does14:10
apacheloggersomething equal to what debugfull did, but probably still working ;)14:11
apacheloggeractually it's very fancy cmake has magic files specific to compiler and platform and nonsense which can override compiler flags and such to get the best results for the target14:12
apacheloggerso the debian buildtype would contain the general debian flags wrt optimization and debug and whatnot14:13
apacheloggeryofel, shadeslayer: all neon-builder issued builds will get a clean slate build tomorrow to resolve the debug symbols issue14:13
apachelogger^ now if only one could make that happen as easily with launchpad :S14:14
yofeluh, you just make a script that triggers builds for all recipes?14:14
yofelthere's something like that lying around in the tools actually14:15
apacheloggeryeah see, I did not need a script, I just changed a modifier in the recipe :P14:15
yofel*theoretically* you can include the runtime branch in the package recipe somewhere, then it'll rebuild everything when you change that14:15
yofelbut that's a bit overkill14:15
apacheloggerOBS rebuilds every dependee if a build dependency changed14:16
yofelwait, obs can do that?14:17
yofelI guess I simply don't get the interface14:17
apacheloggermight be hidden somewhere14:17
Riddellit should rebuild based on a commit to the packaging in OBS14:17
Riddellin practice it depends if there's enough builders free14:17
apacheloggerat a past employment of mine we definitely had git triggers into OBS that would cause a build from git which in turn triggered rebuilds of the dependees14:17
apacheloggerthat easily gets out of hand though ^^14:18
apacheloggerparticularly if you have no general limit on how often a git build trigger can happen14:19
apacheloggerlike if you allow an arbitrary amount... with the only limit being 'if all builders are busy, no triggers can happen' then you still can get yourself into a corner of endless build queue because a change low in the software stack would cause a rebuild of everything, so if you are at 49/50 builders busy and you get such a trigger then effectively you end up at like 10000/50 builders busy ^^14:21
apacheloggeranyway, all I wanted to say, obs can do it :P14:21
apacheloggerthe merits and flexibility of it are another topic entirely14:21
Riddellyofel: jriddell tested 4.11.5 from ninjas on an ec2 saucy with kubuntu-desktop and kde-full installed, upgraded from fresh install, vnc ran the desktop and started some apps fine14:34
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mamarleyyofel: Were you able to reproduce the jerkiness?15:10
yofelI mean, desktop rendering is kinda sluggy in trusty for me, but I didn't get around to verify that it's kde-workspace that's the problem15:10
mamarleyFor me, the easiest way to reproduce the problem is to start something like glxgears and see that it jerks every .5sec or so.15:11
yofelI didn't see any such rendering corruption like you say, it feels more like crappy FPS, I'll try again later15:13
mamarleyIt wasn't corruption, just every half second or so it drops at least 2 frames or so.15:13
Riddellsgclark: kglobalaccel uploaded!15:39
sgclark:) morning15:39
sgclarkRiddell: if you could look at kwindowsystem, have a few that depends on it15:40
* Riddell added this patch to kglobalaccel https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/114999/15:41
Riddellsgclark: I find myself putting newlines at the end of files in your packages for tidyness15:53
Riddellsgclark: how did you work out that trick with openbox?15:53
sgclarkRiddell: alot of googleing lol15:53
sgclarkRiddell: how do I fix newlines issue? I use kate, sorry learning curve here15:55
Riddellsgclark: press return at the end of the file :)15:56
sgclarkRiddell: will do15:57
Riddellkubotu: newversion rekonq 2.4.216:23
Riddell"I have now a working fresh KDE frameworks installation here. Rekonq moving starts this afternoon…" grooby16:23
Riddellkubotu: newversion libssh 0.6.016:25
Riddellplantkde is my release notifier16:25
Riddellsgclark: did you build kauth without polkit?16:55
RiddellI guess we need to work out a qt5 polkit version16:55
RiddellI've seen mumblings about this on the packager list16:55
sgclarkI don't know, if it is not in depends then yes16:56
sgclarkI am checking all with pbuilder as well16:56
Riddellgosh you've mastered all of tier216:57
* Riddell crowns sgclark the tier2 master16:57
sgclarkRiddell: no crown yet :( I think I have found my defeat, kdoctools... :(16:58
Riddellsgml is faffy16:59
Riddellsgclark: kauth I tidied up the description with lines from README.md and http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List17:00
Riddellsgclark: I removed extra spaces at the beginning of lines in debian/copyright, again just tidying17:00
Riddellsgclark: you're allowed to put yourself as XSBC-Original-Maintainer: in debian/control :)17:00
sgclarkRiddell:  manpages are not being built correctly (empty tags) triggering missing name triggering a mess. Through digging I found xml parsing errors. what a mess.17:00
sgclarkRiddell: ok :)17:01
Riddellsounds like upstream bugs17:01
Riddellsgclark: I uploaded kauth with notes "file collisions, needs a polkit-qt Qt5 version to build against"17:02
sgclarkRiddell: well one issue is the docbook points to dtd folder that does not exist, so I changed that but it will not parse that at all...17:02
sgclarkRiddell: ok17:03
sgclarkbe back in 20ish mins17:06
Riddellsgclark: kcompletion a work of perfection, uploaded :)17:09
Riddellsgclark: windowsystem is in so you can get back to knotifications if you want17:10
sgclarkRiddell: ok on it :) could use a break from this kdoctools nightmare lol17:25
Riddellkcrash too was blocking on it17:26
sgclarkwill finish both17:26
Riddellyou're awesome!17:29
Riddellsgclark: I renamed your kdnssd package to kdnssd-framework and it's all good, uploaded17:37
sgclarkRiddell: ok ty, was unsure on that17:37
* Riddell blogs http://blogs.kde.org/2014/01/13/tier-1-slam-dunk17:41
sgclarkooh thanks for the mention :)17:42
sgclarkRiddell: pressing the return key at the end of the file results in not field-colon-value from debuild17:48
sgclarkdunno, that is error, will try vi17:52
sgclarkRiddell: yup kate is the culprit17:54
sgclarkRiddell: knotifications ready for you18:02
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Riddellsgclark: that debian/rules file doesn't have a newline at the end, it has a newline and then a tab18:08
Riddellsgclark: cmake/* missing in copyright file (because upstream missed the licence file)18:09
* Riddell fixes upstream18:10
sgclarkok, kate has been fired. What is a good editor, have used vi a long time but not fast with it.18:12
sgclarkWhat is the copyright?18:13
sgclarkRiddell: ^^18:13
RiddellI use emacs and kate18:13
Riddellsometimes nano18:14
Riddellsgclark: cmake files tend to be BSD licenced18:14
yofelmamarley: ok, I think I see what you meant. I had vsync disabled which reduced the effect for me, but with it on it's noticible18:14
Riddellbut upstream keeps missing out the licence file18:14
Riddellif you find that then just poke me to commit a fix18:14
Riddellsgclark: knotifications uploaded!18:14
* Riddell out18:16
sgclarkRiddell: oh I see, BSD is tough because you have to use as written in file do to them changing it so often18:16
sgclarkand the file is lacking haha18:16
yofelupstream always forgets to copy licenses when they split stuff up18:17
soeeRiddell: this https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages18:17
soeeit overwritres current KDE version right ?18:18
mamarleyyofel: Yep, it is really only noticeable with vsync set to anything other than "none."  I tried installing Nvidia 331.38, but there was no effect.18:24
yofelsgclark: with bsd, you're supposed to tell which it is in the short form (see http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/#license-specification), so this would be BSD-3-clause, not just BSD18:24
mamarleyGlad to know I'm not the only one though.18:24
sgclarkyofel: ok thank you, still not sure how to get that as the only thing in the file was BSD as written in a file I could not find, COPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS18:53
sgclarkRiddell: figured out that kate was adding indention , fixed18:54
yofelright, that file needs to be added upstream http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdelibs.git&a=blob&h=4b417765f3a834ce6b0a216f6b6c0fe2d3f0bed5&hb=7119220a8fa88b28f56974fc41dc15179b8c1eb4&f=cmake%2Fmodules%2FCOPYING-CMAKE-SCRIPTS18:54
yofelwould be what's missing18:55
sgclarkyofel: oh ok :) thanks18:55
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1268690] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268690 (by dino99)18:59
sgclarkRiddell: kcrash is ready for your review, I have run a quick errand, will be back in a few18:59
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1268700] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268700 (by valery karpenko)20:00
jussiRiddell: ping20:46
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1268690] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268690 (by dino99)21:01
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1268709] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268709 (by angel orna)21:01
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1268718] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: próba nadpisania "/usr/lib/... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268718 (by Marcin Kralka)21:01
mamarleyHaha.  Duplicates, duplicates, duplicates.21:04
mamarleyyofel: Based on some advice from Thomas Lübking (a kwin developer), I have found that exporting KWIN_TRIPLE_BUFFER=1 (and ensuring triple buffering is on in xorg.conf) before starting kwin causes the jerkiness to go away.21:05
Elv1313_workHello, one of my user is reporting this http://pastebin.kde.org/pfnxbpspu on 13.10. qt4-default package is installed on his computer21:49
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1268749] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: попытка переза... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268749 (by korziner)22:05
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick Oßmann)23:06
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1198627] package libqt4-script 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0: unexpected end of file or stream @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1198627 (by jaya shankar singh)23:06
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1198734] package libqt4-declarative 4:4.8.3+dfsg-0ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: cannot copy ex... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1198734 (by Evan Kisbey)23:06
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Riddelljussi: pong23:26

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