[12:55] <tenc> Good morning #ubuntu. :)
[12:58] <wrst> morning tenc, how are you doing?
[13:26] <tenc> Doing great. How about you wrst?
[13:27] <wrst> yep doing well for a monday morning :)
[14:36] <tenc> ipv6 addresses are much hard to copy by sight...
[14:42] <tenc> Other things I've observed this morning: in the set {logout, quit, exit} the correct command will always be the last one I issue.
[14:54] <wrst> ha ha
[14:54] <wrst> ipv6 addresses give me a headache :)
[15:31] <netritious_> good morning
[15:31] <wrst> howdy netritious_
[15:32] <netritious> sorry I missed you last week wrst...having probs out of my ancient ups'
[15:32] <wrst> ha ha netritious
[15:32] <wrst> that does not sound like fun
[15:32] <wrst> batteries?
[15:33] <netritious> yep..scored two off of amazon for $30+free shipping
[15:33] <wrst> nice especially on the free shipping, them there batteries be heavy
[15:33] <netritious> yessir
[15:36] <netritious> atm trying to find just the right mini itx board. the project requires 4+ RJ45 but for under $225 isn't easy lol...unless you want jetway.
[15:36] <wrst> just the name, jetway, does not instill confidence
[15:36] <netritious> board+cpu+ram+case+psu+4 or more RJ45
[15:37] <wrst> can we ask what the projuce is? or will you have to kill us?
[15:37] <wrst> if you would have to kill us I would rather not know
[15:38] <netritious> lol nothing special...moving a firewall install from "in beta forever" to dedicated machine
[15:38] <wrst> nice
[15:39] <netritious> zotac has some nice borads with wifi built-in, but then it has a geforce GT 5xx soemthing or the other...not needed for a firewall, at least not mine heh
[15:40] <wrst> you building your own as far as software, or doing something pfsensish?
[15:41] <netritious> going to install pfsense 9.1 that uses the new PBI packaging
[15:43] <wrst> nice, I have no need whatsover for any of that but would love to give it a try :)
[15:43] <netritious> 9.0-RELEASE JustWorks™
[15:44] <netritious> sure you do wrst
[15:44] <netritious> you just don't know it lol
[15:44] <wrst> I'm sure I could think of something
[15:44] <netritious> well, dansguardian for one
[15:44] <wrst> I mean do I really need a FreeNAS system in my house
[15:44] <netritious> great for anyone that has kids
[15:45] <wrst> true netritious, right now I'm letting opendns filter, which is not perfect, but dans guardian without help is such a pain to even attempt for a mortal like me to set up
[15:45] <netritious> captive portal for controlling time spent on teh network
[15:45] <netritious> yeah wrst, it's that time thing
[15:45] <wrst> that's pretty cool
[15:45] <netritious> some of us could do it /if we had the time/
[15:46] <wrst> yes exactly
[15:46] <netritious> also on captive portal control bandwidth rates. can set global and get granular as well.
[15:47] <netritious> *also with captive portal you can
[15:47] <wrst> hmm could keep the HD youtubes from killing my connection and sentence them to 480P
[15:47] <wrst> :)
[15:48] <netritious> yep. also there is QoS control that works by applying bandwidth filters dynamically based on type of traffic. (pfsense has a wizard thank God.)
[15:49] <wrst> ha ha yes I do a very limited QoS on my dd-wrt router, to keep uploads from killing my connection but that's it
[15:56] <netritious> I like x86 because it's almost completely open. I can add/change/remove most hardware components at will on x86 platform, whereas with ARM/RISC based systems the hardware is much more "fixed" and not designed for much if any after market modifications.
[15:56] <netritious> just talking about hardware hear, not software
[15:56] <netritious> *here
[15:57] <wrst> agreed
[15:57] <wrst> its much much easier
[15:57] <wrst> I saw that intel had an SD card sized x86 system
[15:58] <wrst> would love to see x86 chips with the power benefits of arm
[15:58] <netritious> or x86 completely ported to ARM...that would work...mostly lol
[15:59] <netritious> software I mean
[15:59] <wrst> ahh yes that would work also
[16:32] <twayneprice> We have outgrown our SAN at work that we use for VMWare and I'm looking to add some NFS storage.  What OS would you guys recommend?  I need two boxes that will mirror each other in case of failure.  I may have to get something that I can get paid support on in order to appease the higher-ups. :)
[16:40] <wrst> to say I'm no expert is a great understatement but have heard good things about ixsystems
[16:41] <twayneprice> ah.  We already have the hardware.
[16:42] <wrst> ahh gotcha
[16:43] <twayneprice> I used redhat a long time ago.  I think suse is used in the enterprise too.
[16:45] <twayneprice> I've read about drbd and glusterfs.  Anyone have any experience with either of those?
[17:08] <netritious> can't say about gluster...I've read quite a bit, but nothing deployed.
[17:08] <netritious> drbd, well get ready for some fun heh
[17:09] <twayneprice> That sounds ominous.  :)
[17:10] <netritious> I had problems with a heartbeat+drbd setup, but in the end I think it was heartbeat filling an 10GB / with 4GB logs
[17:11] <netritious> anyway, I would mount the drbd block as /var/vm and store vmware images there
[17:12] <netritious> when it worked it worked well, but it was a stupid setup rife with opprotunities for something to fail
[17:13] <twayneprice> That in a nice thing about our HP SAN.  It just works.  But $45k for 6TB of usable space, I would prefer not to order another one.  :)
[17:16] <netritious> I've seen some generic sata disk storage units that would connect to a PC via esata, the PC being the SAN host. Somewhere in the neighborhood of $300 to a few $1,000
[17:17] <netritious> I would just use some linux distro you like, create some raid devices via mdadm, and export NFS
[17:18] <twayneprice> We have a couple of HP server with 8 removable HD each.
[17:19] <twayneprice> mdadm is software raid, right?
[17:23] <netritious> mdadm is software raid but it works really really well. I've relied on it now for a few years and store around 2+ terabytes with plenty of room to grow
[17:23] <netritious> RAID1+hot spares+hot swap 3.5" sata drive bays
[17:24] <twayneprice> would you use drbd again?
[17:24] <netritious> not unless someone paid me to lol
[17:26] <netritious> you might want to check out corosync(?)
[17:26] <netritious> spelling might be wrong
[17:27] <twayneprice> ceph maybe?
[17:28] <netritious> nope, I meant corosync http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/corosync
[17:30] <twayneprice> gotcha.
[17:30] <netritious> there's a better wikipedia page
[17:32] <netritious> if you decide to get into clustering though I would recommendl reading the drbd manual section on terminology since you will encounter a whole new set of errors that you really wouldn't see coming without maybe a cluster engineering degree...if one of those exist
[17:32] <netritious> even if you don't use drbd
[17:34] <twayneprice> That's probably a good idea.
[19:27] <average_guy> Have you looked at Openfiler twayneprice
[19:28] <average_guy> mucho reccamendo
[20:06] <twayneprice> average_guy: yea, I've looked at it and FreeNas.  Have you had it syncing with 2 or more machines?