| Kilos | morning all | 05:14 |
|---|---|---|
| kbmonkey | morning | 05:41 |
| Kilos | morning kbmonkey | 05:42 |
| kbmonkey | hello Kilos | 05:43 |
| kbmonkey | another monday for us working folk! | 05:43 |
| Kilos | yeah | 05:44 |
| Kilos | hi bduk1 | 05:45 |
| nuvolari | o/ oh hi oom Kilos | 05:47 |
| Kilos | hi there nuvolari | 05:48 |
| nuvolari | how are you? | 05:48 |
| Kilos | good ty and you laddy | 05:48 |
| bduk1 | More Kilos and others | 05:50 |
| Kilos | hi nlsthzn | 05:50 |
| nlsthzn | o/ | 05:51 |
| kbmonkey | hi ho hi ho its off to work I go | 05:56 |
| Kilos | have a good day kbmonkey | 05:56 |
| kbmonkey | you too Kilos ! | 05:57 |
| Kilos | ty | 05:57 |
| nuvolari | I'm good thanks oom Kilos | 06:06 |
| nuvolari | hi nlsthzn, bduk1 | 06:06 |
| Kilos | inetpro, morning 17mm | 06:06 |
| nuvolari | hi kbmonkey! | 06:06 |
| nlsthzn | morning all | 06:06 |
| Kilos | sjoe ians zte modem that dont work on windows flies here | 06:13 |
| Kilos | downloaded an is with an average speed of 502 kB/s | 06:13 |
| Kilos | s/is/iso | 06:16 |
| Kilos | that was a good swop for me for my arab alcatel modem | 06:20 |
| Kilos | morning superfly | 06:21 |
| superfly | hi Kilos | 06:21 |
| Kilos | where is the british ianian ocean territory? | 06:22 |
| Kilos | i see thats where our guest lurker is | 06:22 |
| Squirm | morning | 06:37 |
| inetpro | Kilos: 6mm | 06:40 |
| inetpro | good morning | 06:40 |
| Kilos | at least you got something hey | 06:40 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm | 06:40 |
| mazal | Morning everyone | 07:14 |
| Kilos | hi mazal | 07:14 |
| mazal | I see the meetings have been shifted to Tuesdays | 07:17 |
| Kilos | correct | 07:17 |
| Kilos | so maiacan join us as well and hopefully a couple more | 07:17 |
| Kilos | mondays was bad for some | 07:18 |
| mazal | k | 07:18 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 07:40 |
| Vince-0 | ! | 07:41 |
| Kilos | morning tumbleweed you must keep us informed of your plans please | 07:55 |
| Kilos | im scared if you go stateside you will also just lurk here like the crash kid | 07:55 |
| Kilos | hi liamT long time no see | 08:21 |
| charl | good morning | 08:25 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 08:25 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 08:25 | |
| Kilos | ohi charl | 08:26 |
| charl | hi Kilos | 08:26 |
| Kilos | Maaz, coffee please | 08:26 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Okay | 08:26 |
| Kilos | hes lagging a bit today | 08:26 |
| liamT | y | 08:27 |
| charl | hi liamT | 08:28 |
| liamT | moaning everyone | 08:28 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! | 08:29 |
| === charl__ is now known as charl | ||
| charl | this is nice: https://www.useotrproject.org/ | 08:54 |
| charl | "The USE OTR Project aims at improving security, encryption and usability of open source instant messengers (IM). Our goal is simple: better security, usability and encryption of existing IM software. " | 08:54 |
| charl | i actually want to attend this: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/postfix_lessons_learned_and_recent_developments/ | 09:01 |
| charl | "Postfix open source mail server - lessons learned and recent developments" | 09:01 |
| Kilos | hi JoTraGo | 09:01 |
| charl | that's by a guy called Wietse Venema, a dutch guy who is behind postfix | 09:01 |
| Kilos | i need to power down to remove dvdrom | 09:03 |
| Kilos | wbb | 09:03 |
| Kilos | oh my | 09:03 |
| charl | wb Kilos, psyatw | 09:40 |
| psyatw | ty charl | 09:40 |
| psyatw | hi Kilos | 09:40 |
| Kilos | ty psyatw stupid modem disconnected | 09:40 |
| Kilos | ohi psyatw | 09:40 |
| Kilos | ty charl | 09:40 |
| Kilos | oh the guest left without saying one word | 09:46 |
| Kilos | hi drussell hows davy | 09:46 |
| drussell | Kilos: struggling through Monday morning ;o) | 09:50 |
| drussell | Kilos: how's you? | 09:50 |
| Kilos | good ty drussell heavy weekend? | 09:51 |
| Kilos | :_) | 09:51 |
| Kilos | ai! | 09:51 |
| Kilos | :-) | 09:51 |
| drussell | Kilos: hehe good weekend yeah ;o) | 09:52 |
| Kilos | haha | 09:54 |
| Kilos | hmm... mazal crashed something | 10:20 |
| Kilos | wb bduk1 mazal wat het julle gebreek? | 10:51 |
| mazal | Wassie ons nie , ouens het ons krag getrip | 10:51 |
| Kilos | ai! | 10:53 |
| bduk1 | Ons breek nie iets wat reg is nie ons kyk net hoekom werk dit en dan breek dit gewoonlik self | 10:59 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:03 |
| inetpro | Kilos: raining here in town | 11:47 |
| Kilos | wow hotashel here | 11:47 |
| nuvolari | even by the sea it's dry :-/ | 12:01 |
| Kilos | wow | 12:01 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, nice to have you back with us again | 12:12 |
| Kilos | what is the advantage of using a 64bit iso over a 32bit iso | 13:37 |
| inetpro | Kilos: with a 64bit system you can fit 64bits of information into one contiguous space of ram | 15:10 |
| Kilos | so it should be faster right inetpro ? | 15:11 |
| Kilos | but also use more resources | 15:11 |
| inetpro | on a 32bit system the same 64 bits of info would have to be split up into different places in memory | 15:11 |
| inetpro | if you split up information into different spaces you need to keep track of it | 15:12 |
| inetpro | yes, speed is one factor | 15:12 |
| Kilos | how many factors are there | 15:13 |
| Kilos | like do you run kde 64bit | 15:13 |
| inetpro | yes I do | 15:13 |
| Kilos | oh my | 15:13 |
| Kilos | ok sir ty very much. that explains it nicely | 15:13 |
| Kilos | how much ram you got | 15:14 |
| inetpro | with 64bit you you can use more than 4GB of ram effectively | 15:14 |
| Kilos | aha | 15:15 |
| inetpro | with a 32bit system, if you have more than 4GB of RAM it goes for a waste | 15:15 |
| Kilos | goes to waste | 15:15 |
| inetpro | yep | 15:17 |
| Kilos | ty i understand it a bit better now. basically its moving 64bits at a time instead of 32 | 15:17 |
| inetpro | yebo | 15:18 |
| Kilos | gracias | 15:18 |
| Kilos | we had no rain | 15:18 |
| * Kilos sighs | 15:18 | |
| Kilos | today i mean, why does it go wash the town and not come here | 15:19 |
| nlsthzn | pae? | 15:20 |
| nlsthzn | used to be 32-bit systems couldn't address more memory than 4gb... that not the case anymore... | 15:20 |
| * nlsthzn is just saying as he passes through... weeeeeeeeee..... | 15:21 | |
| Kilos | pae? | 15:21 |
| nlsthzn | pae kernels can address more than 4gb memory even though 32-bit | 15:21 |
| Kilos | through | 15:22 |
| inetpro | in principle, a 64-bit microprocessor can address 16 exabytes of memory | 15:22 |
| Kilos | so what kernel has 12.04 got | 15:22 |
| inetpro | in practice, it is less than that | 15:22 |
| nlsthzn | that is a lot of 1's and 0's :p | 15:22 |
| Kilos | how does one check how much ram is being used? | 15:22 |
| Kilos | whew is everything still in binary | 15:23 |
| Kilos | thats what its called hey? | 15:23 |
| inetpro | Kilos: that is what bits are, just 1's and 0's | 15:24 |
| nlsthzn | there are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those tired of this joke | 15:24 |
| nlsthzn | Kilos, use top in terminal | 15:25 |
| inetpro | Kilos: free | 15:25 |
| inetpro | just type 'free' and enter on the cli | 15:25 |
| nlsthzn | sweet... I suck at cli | 15:27 |
| nlsthzn | I still have a gig free | 15:27 |
| nlsthzn | btw uncle Kilos ... will be phoning about your package tomorrow so will let you know | 15:27 |
| Kilos | cool ty nlsthzn | 15:28 |
| Kilos | lets hold them thumbs hey | 15:28 |
| Kilos | Mem: 2029048 1701880 327168 0 127228 807096 | 15:29 |
| Kilos | -/+ buffers/cache: 767556 1261492 | 15:29 |
| Kilos | Swap: 5890804 0 5890804 | 15:29 |
| Kilos | so im not even using the 2g ram | 15:29 |
| Kilos | and no swap | 15:29 |
| Kilos | maybe with media running it would i spose | 15:30 |
| nlsthzn | not everything uses or needs lots of ram | 15:31 |
| nlsthzn | currently browsers with many tabs eats lots of ram and also games | 15:31 |
| * nlsthzn goes to have dinner | 15:31 | |
| Kilos | oh ya i saw other day opera was using lots of cpu too | 15:31 |
| Kilos | enjoy nlsthzn | 15:32 |
| Kilos | dankie inetpro | 15:32 |
| Kilos | :-) | 15:32 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 15:39 |
| Kilos | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-1tb-usb-sale,25658.html | 15:39 |
| magespawn | good evening all | 17:01 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn | 17:03 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 17:03 |
| Kilos | you on the fone thing? | 17:03 |
| magespawn | nah the laptop linked through the tablet | 17:04 |
| Kilos | aha | 17:04 |
| magespawn | typing would never be this fast or accurate on the tablet | 17:07 |
| magespawn | so what is up today? | 17:09 |
| magespawn | i finally got bonamanzi back on adsl today | 17:10 |
| magespawn | so all is good with the world | 17:11 |
| Kilos | well done | 17:17 |
| Kilos | all quiet here again today | 17:18 |
| Kilos | looks like gotango killed his lappy | 17:18 |
| Kilos | or blew his data | 17:19 |
| magespawn | whoops | 17:20 |
| magespawn | lets hope it is the data | 17:20 |
| Kilos | ya | 17:20 |
| Kilos | worked too hard convincing him | 17:21 |
| Kilos | and ian just opened the admin user on my win7 | 17:21 |
| Kilos | tango coulda done that to unlock the lappy | 17:22 |
| Kilos | i didnt know | 17:22 |
| magespawn | yes he could, i also did not think of that | 17:22 |
| Kilos | so crazy windows is. need passwd to login as me but as admin it goes straight in | 17:23 |
| magespawn | yup that is the default admin, that is the problem with windows | 17:23 |
| magespawn | or rather that is one of the problems with windows, and most people do not know about that | 17:25 |
| Kilos | i should have watched ho he did it | 17:26 |
| magespawn | you can password protect it, then you have no back door if something goes wrong | 17:26 |
| Kilos | i dont need passwd protection here methinks | 17:26 |
| Kilos | only i touch my pcs and dont go online with windows | 17:27 |
| magespawn | most people who know about the admin will know other ways around passwords | 17:27 |
| Kilos | he needs to know these things to do his work i spose | 17:28 |
| magespawn | it is very useful when people lock themselves out of their pc, or you need to get in for other reasons | 17:29 |
| Kilos | ya he needs to get in to sort the software for scanners and things | 17:30 |
| Kilos | but he dont tell me come learn he just does it on the quiet | 17:31 |
| Kilos | kids sigh | 17:31 |
| magespawn | i am sure you can google it | 17:36 |
| Kilos | most likely yeah | 17:37 |
| Kilos | but dont need it | 17:37 |
| Kilos | was trying to turn off e220 cddrive thing | 17:37 |
| Kilos | made no diffs in my user or admin | 17:37 |
| Kilos | and i dunno what to do with minicom | 17:38 |
| magespawn | it won't, i think it is the software on the on the e220 | 17:38 |
| Kilos | got to where it says run a script but all i want is one command to switch off the cd thing | 17:39 |
| Kilos | ya its read only but there are commands to stop it | 17:39 |
| Kilos | AT ^ U2DIAG = 0 (device-only modem) | 17:40 |
| Kilos | that should kill the storage side | 17:40 |
| Kilos | i would prefer to format the storage part | 17:41 |
| magespawn | what exactly are you trying to do? | 17:41 |
| Kilos | its running on mobile partner but still opens the vmclite stuff | 17:42 |
| Kilos | maybe its the 2 things clashing that cause it to timeout | 17:42 |
| magespawn | i see, then you can use the mobile partner to flash the e220 | 17:42 |
| Kilos | i want to remove the vmc lit | 17:42 |
| Kilos | yessir | 17:43 |
| Kilos | the voda stuff being read only causes the prob i think | 17:43 |
| Kilos | ians zte has same prob | 17:43 |
| Kilos | cant even get drivers for win working because of it | 17:44 |
| Kilos | so i swopped him my arab modem | 17:44 |
| magespawn | if you go to the manufacturer's website they usually have the stock software to flash the modem | 17:44 |
| Kilos | i did it on the e220 but vmclite stays there | 17:45 |
| magespawn | that is strange | 17:45 |
| Kilos | i was thinking of chowning the thing | 17:45 |
| Kilos | itd like embedded | 17:45 |
| magespawn | try the software from the @lantic website | 17:45 |
| Kilos | or locked | 17:46 |
| magespawn | let me get the link | 17:46 |
| Kilos | i think i did magespawn | 17:46 |
| Kilos | i also used the huawei flash upgrade thing | 17:46 |
| magespawn | oh wow, that persistent | 17:47 |
| Kilos | it works fine but im sure that vmclite is what is making it timeout | 17:47 |
| Kilos | ive flashed it about 7 times | 17:47 |
| Kilos | hehe | 17:47 |
| Kilos | but im sure our gsm guy will throw a hint or 2 sometime | 17:48 |
| Kilos | superfly, can one chown an e220 so the storage isnt read only? | 17:50 |
| superfly | no | 17:50 |
| Kilos | how does one do it then | 17:51 |
| Kilos | hi Gotango | 17:51 |
| Gotango | hi Kilos | 17:51 |
| Kilos | you worked some today? | 17:52 |
| * Gotango : Time to dismantle a desktop pc = 5 minutes . Time to dismantle an hp laptop 3 hours lol | 17:52 | |
| Kilos | airvents and bows | 17:52 |
| Kilos | ya they terrible things | 17:52 |
| Gotango | Yeah , i managed to completely open this thing and reach the heat sink and took out the fan :0 | 17:53 |
| Kilos | everything clean now? | 17:53 |
| Gotango | There was a thick layer of dust blocking the heat sink where the fan blew air out | 17:54 |
| Gotango | Yes | 17:54 |
| Gotango | Almost like new | 17:54 |
| Kilos | great | 17:54 |
| Kilos | and now we see the heat prob is cured | 17:55 |
| Kilos | did you add some vents? | 17:55 |
| Kilos | with good planning vents could be used to allow blowing inside clean with air | 17:56 |
| Gotango | Well i cant almost hear the fan now, its like it blew on win7, and the heat , well most of its gone , but still hotter than on win7 idle | 17:56 |
| Kilos | once you got the drivers it should be fine | 17:56 |
| magespawn | hey Gotango | 17:56 |
| Gotango | I hop the drivers will help | 17:57 |
| Gotango | Hey magespawn | 17:57 |
| Gotango | hope* | 17:57 |
| magespawn | that dust thing is a common problem with older machines | 17:57 |
| Kilos | nice thing with desktops you can add blowers | 17:58 |
| Gotango | Everything is packed extremely tight though , i cant even find a place to make vents to let air in | 17:58 |
| Kilos | wow | 17:58 |
| Kilos | p4s got places to mount 3 fans | 17:59 |
| Gotango | Ya magespawn , 4 years of dust | 17:59 |
| magespawn | there should be enough events | 17:59 |
| Gotango | The only incoming air vent is underneath the lappy, and the fan is locked into the cpu only to cool that | 18:00 |
| magespawn | in the bios there should be something that might allow you to see the temp and fan speeds when the system is running | 18:01 |
| Gotango | So i got the lappy now 3 centimeters in the air to let the air come in from the bottom. HP really did bad work on the ventilation | 18:02 |
| magespawn | maybe one of those laptop stands would be a good idea | 18:02 |
| Kilos | you could try gluing some rubber feet on | 18:03 |
| Gotango | Oh i forgot to see there magespawn , thanks i will take a look later | 18:03 |
| Gotango | There is rubber feet on the corners of the lappy, but those only give 3mm space for air to get through | 18:04 |
| Kilos | like they use for door stops | 18:04 |
| Kilos | you know them black rubber things with a screw hole in the centre | 18:05 |
| Gotango | But i'm happy most of the heat and fan abuse is gone :) | 18:05 |
| Kilos | yay that makes me happy too | 18:05 |
| Kilos | you been hard work for a ballie | 18:06 |
| Gotango | lol :D | 18:06 |
| Kilos | oh and we worked out how to unlock all the windows stuff | 18:08 |
| Kilos | haha | 18:08 |
| Gotango | What windows stuff | 18:09 |
| Kilos | all the stuff that showed as locked when we tried to resize it | 18:09 |
| Kilos | p0artitions | 18:09 |
| Kilos | partitions too | 18:09 |
| Gotango | A little too late now lol | 18:10 |
| Gotango | But me not going back to windows | 18:10 |
| Kilos | yeah | 18:10 |
| Kilos | i didnt know how to unlock anything on 7 | 18:11 |
| Kilos | im glad to hear that | 18:11 |
| Gotango | Glad you worked it out, now you can teach another newbie | 18:12 |
| Kilos | no man ill just tell them to boot from ubuntu cd and choose erase and use the entire disk | 18:12 |
| Gotango | haha | 18:13 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:13 |
| Gotango | You convinced me | 18:13 |
| Kilos | ya but we first tried to save your 7 | 18:13 |
| Kilos | its now your job to teach the next newbie | 18:14 |
| Gotango | Ya , but 7 was on its death bed already | 18:14 |
| Kilos | oh we just filled the grave | 18:14 |
| Gotango | hmm, i will try :) | 18:14 |
| Gotango | I even did a silent prayer before tossing the coffin in | 18:15 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:15 |
| Kilos | now its just telkom sim then you are mobile | 18:16 |
| magespawn | if you boot from a live cd you can mount the windows drive and copy any files that you need, there various other tool like TRD | 18:16 |
| magespawn | TrinityRescueDisk | 18:17 |
| Gotango | Yeah will do that this week Kilos, Telkom mobile better be active here | 18:17 |
| Kilos | hope so | 18:17 |
| Gotango | I already saved all the stuff i needed from windows magespawn. All my fav stuff to do is now on ubuntu | 18:18 |
| magespawn | quote from a friend "if Bill a dollar for every time I rebooted windows... Oh wait he does." | 18:19 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:19 |
| magespawn | cool Gotango | 18:19 |
| Gotango | Did'nt have a spare HDD though | 18:19 |
| magespawn | i remember the conversation | 18:19 |
| Gotango | Saved it to memory card then put it on ubuntu | 18:19 |
| Kilos | there are now 1TB usb sticks available | 18:20 |
| Gotango | lol | 18:20 |
| Kilos | only %1300 | 18:20 |
| Kilos | $1300 | 18:20 |
| magespawn | or maybe $ | 18:20 |
| magespawn | lol | 18:20 |
| Kilos | madness you can get a hdd for less | 18:20 |
| Kilos | 3TB for that price i think | 18:21 |
| magespawn | ahh yes but the size Kilos, the size | 18:21 |
| Kilos | at times im like yanks | 18:21 |
| Kilos | bigger is better | 18:21 |
| Gotango | I would want an SSD for the speedof it, the size is not so important | 18:22 |
| Kilos | whew those things are costly | 18:23 |
| Gotango | If you got lots of video's , songs, and programs, games, then a regular HDD is best | 18:24 |
| magespawn | cheapest storage by far for size, and getting cheaper too | 18:24 |
| magespawn | well apart from things like tape | 18:26 |
| Gotango | True magespawn. For a software developer type of person though an SSD will be perfect | 18:26 |
| Kilos | why? | 18:26 |
| magespawn | i get used to doing things slowly | 18:26 |
| magespawn | SSD's are fast | 18:26 |
| Kilos | ssd's are for okes like Symmetria | 18:26 |
| Gotango | lol, only museums use tape still right ? | 18:27 |
| magespawn | there was a few years ago a ram drive built on a pci card that was blazing fast | 18:27 |
| Kilos | yeah but what for | 18:28 |
| magespawn | tapes are still used by some for off site backups of company data | 18:28 |
| Kilos | we are limited by our internet | 18:28 |
| magespawn | you could set the ram drive to be the swop partition of your hard drive | 18:28 |
| magespawn | well if you have money then you can get almost anything | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ya ram is fast | 18:29 |
| Kilos | money? | 18:29 |
| Kilos | whats that | 18:29 |
| magespawn | indeed | 18:29 |
| magespawn | need to win the lotto or something | 18:29 |
| Kilos | ya | 18:30 |
| Kilos | wb Gotango | 18:31 |
| Gotango | ty Kilos | 18:31 |
| Gotango | closed tab by accident | 18:32 |
| Kilos | oh lotsa tabs open on opera also uses lots of cpu | 18:32 |
| Kilos | haha | 18:32 |
| Gotango | I only got 5 tabs open though, max is 10 for me | 18:33 |
| Gotango | Have to use opera for my dev stuff, i assume its more efficient than firefox and chrome | 18:34 |
| Kilos | all browser i mean | 18:35 |
| Kilos | im sure the fox uses even more | 18:35 |
| magespawn | i have managed to crash a pc by opening too many tabs in firefox | 18:36 |
| Kilos | ive used opera for a few years now and happy with it | 18:36 |
| Gotango | I dont like the extra background processes of firefox and chrome | 18:36 |
| Kilos | whew magespawn | 18:36 |
| Gotango | Opera has none of that | 18:36 |
| Kilos | there is another one on ubuntu Gotango | 18:36 |
| Kilos | might be lighter | 18:37 |
| Gotango | Chromium Kilos ? | 18:37 |
| Kilos | no | 18:37 |
| magespawn | Iceweasel | 18:37 |
| Kilos | im thinking | 18:37 |
| Gotango | Thats bad magespawn | 18:37 |
| Kilos | midori? | 18:37 |
| Gotango | Its still webkit | 18:37 |
| Gotango | never heard of that | 18:38 |
| Kilos | Midori is a lightweight web browser based on WebKit. | 18:38 |
| Kilos | then there are links and lynx | 18:38 |
| Kilos | cli browsers | 18:39 |
| Kilos | and elinks i think | 18:39 |
| Kilos | those are good for capped peeps | 18:39 |
| Kilos | no popups or adds | 18:39 |
| Kilos | only text | 18:39 |
| Gotango | Nah i will stick with the old opera , webkit engines ask too much from the system | 18:40 |
| Gotango | I will only use a webkit broswer to test some things, then close them | 18:40 |
| Gotango | browser* | 18:41 |
| Gotango | lol , only text ? | 18:41 |
| magespawn | yup no pictures | 18:41 |
| Gotango | Must be a 12 year old who made that | 18:42 |
| magespawn | and no formatting either | 18:42 |
| Gotango | lol | 18:42 |
| magespawn | Lynx | 18:43 |
| magespawn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) | 18:44 |
| Kilos | also when you want to download large things you use wget | 18:44 |
| Gotango | Damn , and the lynx is my fav animal | 18:45 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:45 |
| Gotango | wget, is like a download manager Kilos | 18:45 |
| Kilos | rooikat lam vreter | 18:45 |
| Kilos | in cli man wget | 18:46 |
| Gotango | i know | 18:46 |
| Kilos | you run it from terminal with the link | 18:46 |
| Gotango | I used to just throw the link into a gui DM, then it downloaded lol | 18:47 |
| Kilos | wget is fast | 18:47 |
| Kilos | faster than using a browser | 18:48 |
| Kilos | and uses min resources | 18:48 |
| Gotango | I guess so | 18:48 |
| Kilos | i use it for getting isos | 18:48 |
| Gotango | I did everything with opera | 18:49 |
| inetpro | Kilos: wget is not necessarily faster than the browser | 18:49 |
| Kilos | and with -c in the command it will fetch whats missing if your internet drops | 18:49 |
| magespawn | and can started and stopped, and can restart if disconnected | 18:49 |
| inetpro | good evening | 18:49 |
| magespawn | man wget | 18:49 |
| magespawn | hey inetpro | 18:49 |
| Kilos | lo inetpro | 18:49 |
| magespawn | hah that is funny | 18:50 |
| Gotango | Hi inetpro | 18:50 |
| Kilos | inetpro, what does not necessarily mean? | 18:51 |
| Kilos | surely its faster or slower | 18:51 |
| inetpro | have you compared it? | 18:51 |
| Kilos | what outside factors affect it | 18:51 |
| Kilos | do you use it? | 18:52 |
| inetpro | I use both ways | 18:52 |
| Kilos | and? | 18:52 |
| inetpro | horses for courses | 18:52 |
| inetpro | downloading via the browser is not slow | 18:52 |
| Kilos | oh apples for apples thing? | 18:53 |
| Kilos | i downloaded xfce by accident | 18:53 |
| inetpro | at least I have never seen a significant difference in speed | 18:53 |
| Kilos | 450m about | 18:53 |
| Kilos | with opera | 18:53 |
| inetpro | s/significant/noticeable/ | 18:54 |
| Kilos | average speed 502kB/s | 18:54 |
| Kilos | now no more data | 18:54 |
| inetpro | comparing speeds is much more complicated than than | 18:55 |
| Kilos | yeah i think so | 18:55 |
| Kilos | you cant i think because different times net gives different results | 18:56 |
| inetpro | exactly | 18:56 |
| Kilos | and maybe just when you wanna test 500 peeps also want to | 18:56 |
| inetpro | and there are many factors involved | 18:56 |
| inetpro | nou verstaan jy | 18:56 |
| Kilos | ja | 18:56 |
| inetpro | fact is wget is a very handy utility for downloading stuff | 18:57 |
| Kilos | you could only compare speeds if they were between 2 pcs connected with eth | 18:57 |
| inetpro | but it's not the only one out there | 18:57 |
| Kilos | other than wget? | 18:58 |
| inetpro | another very nice one is curl | 18:58 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 18:58 |
| inetpro | man curl | 18:58 |
| Kilos | ai! | 18:58 |
| Kilos | not installed so no man curl | 18:59 |
| Kilos | so we | 18:59 |
| Kilos | dont give more now man wget works kiff | 19:00 |
| inetpro | no worries, there are some overlaps in functionality, but they are not meant to do exactly the same things | 19:00 |
| inetpro | they both have plenty of options | 19:01 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 19:01 |
| Kilos | im sure you come with man this and man that just to torment me | 19:02 |
| magespawn | just the mention of man is enough to bring inetpro | 19:03 |
| inetpro | :-) | 19:03 |
| inetpro | man is your friend | 19:03 |
| Kilos | ai! | 19:04 |
| Kilos | your friend | 19:04 |
| Kilos | like google | 19:05 |
| magespawn | indeed especially when dealing with toasters | 19:05 |
| inetpro | curl vs Wget http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html | 19:05 |
| Kilos | ai! he doesnt give up does he | 19:06 |
| inetpro | my point is, even on a page like that, there is no comparison on speed | 19:07 |
| Kilos | ja ja | 19:07 |
| magespawn | you would need a controlled environment to do a pure speed test, which would render it null and void anyway | 19:08 |
| Kilos | yeah | 19:08 |
| inetpro | magespawn: thank you | 19:08 |
| inetpro | ai! | 19:08 |
| magespawn | a bit like how far can a wifi link cover etc | 19:08 |
| magespawn | i notice a speed difference on the work link to town just when the leaves of the trees are wet | 19:10 |
| Kilos | yean and will be better in midwinter too | 19:11 |
| Kilos | magespawn, what distance you getting wifi over | 19:12 |
| Kilos | with boosters between ? | 19:12 |
| Kilos | wget rocks for fetching isos | 19:13 |
| Kilos | night all. sleep tight | 19:22 |
| magespawn | Maaz tell Kilos I am using two Nanobridge M5 from Ubiquiti http://www.ubnt.com/airmax | 19:26 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 19:26 |
| magespawn | Maaz tell Kilos about 5kms | 19:27 |
| Maaz | magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode | 19:27 |
| inetpro | magespawn: that is not wifi | 19:42 |
| inetpro | don't confuse kilos | 19:43 |
| magespawn | no it isn't, but i am not sure how else to explain it inetpro | 19:43 |
| inetpro | just call it wireless | 19:44 |
| magespawn | okay wilco | 19:44 |
| inetpro | wifi is a wireless local network (WLAN) | 19:44 |
| magespawn | i have users who think that because they can connect to the work wifi they can get out onto the internet | 19:45 |
| inetpro | more precisely, products using the IEEE 802.11 WLAN standards are marketed under the Wi-Fi brand name | 19:46 |
| inetpro | he would love to connect his home with the free wifi points around the city | 19:47 |
| inetpro | unfortunately that won't work | 19:47 |
| magespawn | so maybe W-WLAN then | 19:47 |
| magespawn | do they protect them? or signal problems? | 19:48 |
| inetpro | well they are local to whichever area | 19:49 |
| inetpro | wifi is typically restricted to a short range of just 20m | 19:51 |
| inetpro | though with new technology it probably goes further by now | 19:52 |
| magespawn | indeed i have a couple of engenius ap that cover about 50-60 line of site, but a bit pricey | 19:53 |
| magespawn | actually i should measure how far they do go, would be nice to know | 19:54 |
| magespawn | these ones http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/indoor-access-points-client-bridges/16362-ecb150 although i think the ones i have claim 300mbps | 19:56 |
| inetpro | interesting | 20:04 |
| magespawn | that is just from memory, which can be faulty though | 20:05 |
| inetpro | specs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11 | 20:06 |
| magespawn | i like the picture of the linksys, i like that software | 20:08 |
| magespawn | have not tried the open version yet | 20:10 |
| charl | hi magespawn | 20:12 |
| charl | you been scarce, still so busy? | 20:12 |
| magespawn | hey charl | 20:12 |
| magespawn | yup | 20:12 |
| charl | yes linksys ftw | 20:12 |
| magespawn | the work is settling down though | 20:12 |
| charl | put down a little linksys like that with some high-gain antennas and you have a long range solution | 20:13 |
| charl | i have seen many of them | 20:13 |
| magespawn | you have to modify the antennas though, the originals are fixed | 20:14 |
| charl | hmmm | 20:15 |
| charl | i thought there was a way to just screw off the antennas | 20:15 |
| magespawn | not on the original casing, as far as i know | 20:15 |
| charl | bah | 20:15 |
| charl | what happened to this site http://www.wug.za.net/gallery/ | 20:16 |
| charl | now it just says forbidden | 20:16 |
| charl | they used to have some cool fotos up on there | 20:16 |
| magespawn | if you go to the wug site it says it is a new site, so something might have happened to the gallery | 20:17 |
| magespawn | hmmm gallery link still forbidden | 20:18 |
| charl | nah man it has been like that for ages | 20:19 |
| charl | http://www.wug.za.net/pics/installation/1028_100130_171047.jpg | 20:19 |
| charl | this one brings back memories, i used to have one of those | 20:19 |
| charl | also mounted in a case like that | 20:19 |
| charl | what was it called... routerboard or something | 20:19 |
| charl | with routeros | 20:19 |
| charl | mikrotik that was it | 20:19 |
| charl | that's the stuff those are awesome | 20:20 |
| magespawn | i have a look at mikrotik but have not had a chance to work with it yet | 20:20 |
| charl | they were cheap and really good, the software was good too except to really use it you needed a client application that only ran on windows | 20:21 |
| charl | the ssh and web interface were limited | 20:21 |
| magespawn | i am finding it is that way with most things | 20:21 |
| magespawn | some of the manufacturers have linux software though | 20:22 |
| charl | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MikroTik | 20:22 |
| charl | wikipedia has some more cool pics | 20:22 |
| charl | didn't know they are from latvia though | 20:23 |
| charl | it also has a built-in captive portal | 20:23 |
| charl | and it allows you to do authentication against radius | 20:23 |
| charl | i connected it with freeradius with a mysql backend | 20:23 |
| charl | it was quite a trick to get it working because the documentation at the time was terrible | 20:23 |
| charl | but once you can authenticate against a mysql database you can add a web interface on top of it to administrate users | 20:24 |
| charl | you can build web interfaces against a mysql database very quickly nowadays with tools like spring roo | 20:24 |
| magespawn | nice | 20:24 |
| magespawn | still need to learn a bit before i get to that level | 20:24 |
| charl | this was stuff i was doing back in 2007 but since then i kind-of lost interest in wireless | 20:25 |
| charl | i don't even use wireless in my home, i have my laptop connected directly to my cablemodem via ethernet lan cable | 20:25 |
| charl | utp | 20:25 |
| charl | the company i was doing work for was also very busy with asterisk/sip back then | 20:26 |
| charl | making free calls over distance across wifi in africa - beautiful :) | 20:26 |
| magespawn | especially with our call charges | 20:27 |
| charl | well the netherlands used to have some of the most expensive call charges in the world | 20:27 |
| charl | i don't know if that is still the case though, prices have come down a lot in the last few years | 20:27 |
| charl | http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/med_ave_cos_of_loc_cal-media-average-cost-local-call | 20:29 |
| charl | oh no that was SMS charges that used to be over the top, something like 0,50 eurocent per sms | 20:31 |
| charl | which is why everyone used msn messenger instead of sms back then | 20:31 |
| charl | but now there's whatsapp... | 20:31 |
| magespawn | i am off too bed | 21:19 |
| magespawn | good night all | 21:19 |
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