[05:14] morning all [05:41] morning [05:42] morning kbmonkey [05:43] hello Kilos [05:43] another monday for us working folk! [05:44] yeah [05:45] hi bduk1 [05:47] o/ oh hi oom Kilos [05:48] hi there nuvolari [05:48] how are you? [05:48] good ty and you laddy [05:50] More Kilos and others [05:50] hi nlsthzn [05:51] o/ [05:56] hi ho hi ho its off to work I go [05:56] have a good day kbmonkey [05:57] you too Kilos ! [05:57] ty [06:06] I'm good thanks oom Kilos [06:06] hi nlsthzn, bduk1 [06:06] inetpro, morning 17mm [06:06] hi kbmonkey! [06:06] morning all [06:13] sjoe ians zte modem that dont work on windows flies here [06:13] downloaded an is with an average speed of 502 kB/s [06:16] s/is/iso [06:20] that was a good swop for me for my arab alcatel modem [06:21] morning superfly [06:21] hi Kilos [06:22] where is the british ianian ocean territory? [06:22] i see thats where our guest lurker is [06:37] morning [06:40] Kilos: 6mm [06:40] good morning [06:40] at least you got something hey [06:40] hi Squirm [07:14] Morning everyone [07:14] hi mazal [07:17] I see the meetings have been shifted to Tuesdays [07:17] correct [07:17] so maiacan join us as well and hopefully a couple more [07:18] mondays was bad for some [07:18] k [07:40] hi Vince-0 [07:41] ! [07:55] morning tumbleweed you must keep us informed of your plans please [07:55] im scared if you go stateside you will also just lurk here like the crash kid [08:21] hi liamT long time no see [08:25] good morning [08:25] Maaz: coffee on [08:25] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [08:26] ohi charl [08:26] hi Kilos [08:26] Maaz, coffee please [08:26] Kilos: Okay [08:26] hes lagging a bit today [08:27] y [08:28] hi liamT [08:28] moaning everyone [08:29] Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos! === charl__ is now known as charl [08:54] this is nice: https://www.useotrproject.org/ [08:54] "The USE OTR Project aims at improving security, encryption and usability of open source instant messengers (IM). Our goal is simple: better security, usability and encryption of existing IM software. " [09:01] i actually want to attend this: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/postfix_lessons_learned_and_recent_developments/ [09:01] "Postfix open source mail server - lessons learned and recent developments" [09:01] hi JoTraGo [09:01] that's by a guy called Wietse Venema, a dutch guy who is behind postfix [09:03] i need to power down to remove dvdrom [09:03] wbb [09:03] oh my [09:40] wb Kilos, psyatw [09:40] ty charl [09:40] hi Kilos [09:40] ty psyatw stupid modem disconnected [09:40] ohi psyatw [09:40] ty charl [09:46] oh the guest left without saying one word [09:46] hi drussell hows davy [09:50] Kilos: struggling through Monday morning ;o) [09:50] Kilos: how's you? [09:51] good ty drussell heavy weekend? [09:51] :_) [09:51] ai! [09:51] :-) [09:52] Kilos: hehe good weekend yeah ;o) [09:54] haha [10:20] hmm... mazal crashed something [10:51] wb bduk1 mazal wat het julle gebreek? [10:51] Wassie ons nie , ouens het ons krag getrip [10:53] ai! [10:59] Ons breek nie iets wat reg is nie ons kyk net hoekom werk dit en dan breek dit gewoonlik self [11:03] lol [11:47] Kilos: raining here in town [11:47] wow hotashel here [12:01] even by the sea it's dry :-/ [12:01] wow [12:12] nuvolari, nice to have you back with us again [13:37] what is the advantage of using a 64bit iso over a 32bit iso [15:10] Kilos: with a 64bit system you can fit 64bits of information into one contiguous space of ram [15:11] so it should be faster right inetpro ? [15:11] but also use more resources [15:11] on a 32bit system the same 64 bits of info would have to be split up into different places in memory [15:12] if you split up information into different spaces you need to keep track of it [15:12] yes, speed is one factor [15:13] how many factors are there [15:13] like do you run kde 64bit [15:13] yes I do [15:13] oh my [15:13] ok sir ty very much. that explains it nicely [15:14] how much ram you got [15:14] with 64bit you you can use more than 4GB of ram effectively [15:15] aha [15:15] with a 32bit system, if you have more than 4GB of RAM it goes for a waste [15:15] goes to waste [15:17] yep [15:17] ty i understand it a bit better now. basically its moving 64bits at a time instead of 32 [15:18] yebo [15:18] gracias [15:18] we had no rain [15:18] * Kilos sighs [15:19] today i mean, why does it go wash the town and not come here [15:20] pae? [15:20] used to be 32-bit systems couldn't address more memory than 4gb... that not the case anymore... [15:21] * nlsthzn is just saying as he passes through... weeeeeeeeee..... [15:21] pae? [15:21] pae kernels can address more than 4gb memory even though 32-bit [15:22] through [15:22] in principle, a 64-bit microprocessor can address 16 exabytes of memory [15:22] so what kernel has 12.04 got [15:22] in practice, it is less than that [15:22] that is a lot of 1's and 0's :p [15:22] how does one check how much ram is being used? [15:23] whew is everything still in binary [15:23] thats what its called hey? [15:24] Kilos: that is what bits are, just 1's and 0's [15:24] there are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those tired of this joke [15:25] Kilos, use top in terminal [15:25] Kilos: free [15:25] just type 'free' and enter on the cli [15:27] sweet... I suck at cli [15:27] I still have a gig free [15:27] btw uncle Kilos ... will be phoning about your package tomorrow so will let you know [15:28] cool ty nlsthzn [15:28] lets hold them thumbs hey [15:29] Mem: 2029048 1701880 327168 0 127228 807096 [15:29] -/+ buffers/cache: 767556 1261492 [15:29] Swap: 5890804 0 5890804 [15:29] so im not even using the 2g ram [15:29] and no swap [15:30] maybe with media running it would i spose [15:31] not everything uses or needs lots of ram [15:31] currently browsers with many tabs eats lots of ram and also games [15:31] * nlsthzn goes to have dinner [15:31] oh ya i saw other day opera was using lots of cpu too [15:32] enjoy nlsthzn [15:32] dankie inetpro [15:32] :-) [15:39] sjoe [15:39] http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-1tb-usb-sale,25658.html [17:01] good evening all [17:03] hi magespawn [17:03] hey Kilos [17:03] you on the fone thing? [17:04] nah the laptop linked through the tablet [17:04] aha [17:07] typing would never be this fast or accurate on the tablet [17:09] so what is up today? [17:10] i finally got bonamanzi back on adsl today [17:11] so all is good with the world [17:17] well done [17:18] all quiet here again today [17:18] looks like gotango killed his lappy [17:19] or blew his data [17:20] whoops [17:20] lets hope it is the data [17:20] ya [17:21] worked too hard convincing him [17:21] and ian just opened the admin user on my win7 [17:22] tango coulda done that to unlock the lappy [17:22] i didnt know [17:22] yes he could, i also did not think of that [17:23] so crazy windows is. need passwd to login as me but as admin it goes straight in [17:23] yup that is the default admin, that is the problem with windows [17:25] or rather that is one of the problems with windows, and most people do not know about that [17:26] i should have watched ho he did it [17:26] you can password protect it, then you have no back door if something goes wrong [17:26] i dont need passwd protection here methinks [17:27] only i touch my pcs and dont go online with windows [17:27] most people who know about the admin will know other ways around passwords [17:28] he needs to know these things to do his work i spose [17:29] it is very useful when people lock themselves out of their pc, or you need to get in for other reasons [17:30] ya he needs to get in to sort the software for scanners and things [17:31] but he dont tell me come learn he just does it on the quiet [17:31] kids sigh [17:36] i am sure you can google it [17:37] most likely yeah [17:37] but dont need it [17:37] was trying to turn off e220 cddrive thing [17:37] made no diffs in my user or admin [17:38] and i dunno what to do with minicom [17:38] it won't, i think it is the software on the on the e220 [17:39] got to where it says run a script but all i want is one command to switch off the cd thing [17:39] ya its read only but there are commands to stop it [17:40] AT ^ U2DIAG = 0 (device-only modem) [17:40] that should kill the storage side [17:41] i would prefer to format the storage part [17:41] what exactly are you trying to do? [17:42] its running on mobile partner but still opens the vmclite stuff [17:42] maybe its the 2 things clashing that cause it to timeout [17:42] i see, then you can use the mobile partner to flash the e220 [17:42] i want to remove the vmc lit [17:43] yessir [17:43] the voda stuff being read only causes the prob i think [17:43] ians zte has same prob [17:44] cant even get drivers for win working because of it [17:44] so i swopped him my arab modem [17:44] if you go to the manufacturer's website they usually have the stock software to flash the modem [17:45] i did it on the e220 but vmclite stays there [17:45] that is strange [17:45] i was thinking of chowning the thing [17:45] itd like embedded [17:45] try the software from the @lantic website [17:46] or locked [17:46] let me get the link [17:46] i think i did magespawn [17:46] i also used the huawei flash upgrade thing [17:47] oh wow, that persistent [17:47] it works fine but im sure that vmclite is what is making it timeout [17:47] ive flashed it about 7 times [17:47] hehe [17:48] but im sure our gsm guy will throw a hint or 2 sometime [17:50] superfly, can one chown an e220 so the storage isnt read only? [17:50] no [17:51] how does one do it then [17:51] hi Gotango [17:51] hi Kilos [17:52] you worked some today? [17:52] * Gotango : Time to dismantle a desktop pc = 5 minutes . Time to dismantle an hp laptop 3 hours lol [17:52] airvents and bows [17:52] ya they terrible things [17:53] Yeah , i managed to completely open this thing and reach the heat sink and took out the fan :0 [17:53] everything clean now? [17:54] There was a thick layer of dust blocking the heat sink where the fan blew air out [17:54] Yes [17:54] Almost like new [17:54] great [17:55] and now we see the heat prob is cured [17:55] did you add some vents? [17:56] with good planning vents could be used to allow blowing inside clean with air [17:56] Well i cant almost hear the fan now, its like it blew on win7, and the heat , well most of its gone , but still hotter than on win7 idle [17:56] once you got the drivers it should be fine [17:56] hey Gotango [17:57] I hop the drivers will help [17:57] Hey magespawn [17:57] hope* [17:57] that dust thing is a common problem with older machines [17:58] nice thing with desktops you can add blowers [17:58] Everything is packed extremely tight though , i cant even find a place to make vents to let air in [17:58] wow [17:59] p4s got places to mount 3 fans [17:59] Ya magespawn , 4 years of dust [17:59] there should be enough events [18:00] The only incoming air vent is underneath the lappy, and the fan is locked into the cpu only to cool that [18:01] in the bios there should be something that might allow you to see the temp and fan speeds when the system is running [18:02] So i got the lappy now 3 centimeters in the air to let the air come in from the bottom. HP really did bad work on the ventilation [18:02] maybe one of those laptop stands would be a good idea [18:03] you could try gluing some rubber feet on [18:03] Oh i forgot to see there magespawn , thanks i will take a look later [18:04] There is rubber feet on the corners of the lappy, but those only give 3mm space for air to get through [18:04] like they use for door stops [18:05] you know them black rubber things with a screw hole in the centre [18:05] But i'm happy most of the heat and fan abuse is gone :) [18:05] yay that makes me happy too [18:06] you been hard work for a ballie [18:06] lol :D [18:08] oh and we worked out how to unlock all the windows stuff [18:08] haha [18:09] What windows stuff [18:09] all the stuff that showed as locked when we tried to resize it [18:09] p0artitions [18:09] partitions too [18:10] A little too late now lol [18:10] But me not going back to windows [18:10] yeah [18:11] i didnt know how to unlock anything on 7 [18:11] im glad to hear that [18:12] Glad you worked it out, now you can teach another newbie [18:12] no man ill just tell them to boot from ubuntu cd and choose erase and use the entire disk [18:13] haha [18:13] hehe [18:13] You convinced me [18:13] ya but we first tried to save your 7 [18:14] its now your job to teach the next newbie [18:14] Ya , but 7 was on its death bed already [18:14] oh we just filled the grave [18:14] hmm, i will try :) [18:15] I even did a silent prayer before tossing the coffin in [18:15] hehe [18:16] now its just telkom sim then you are mobile [18:16] if you boot from a live cd you can mount the windows drive and copy any files that you need, there various other tool like TRD [18:17] TrinityRescueDisk [18:17] Yeah will do that this week Kilos, Telkom mobile better be active here [18:17] hope so [18:18] I already saved all the stuff i needed from windows magespawn. All my fav stuff to do is now on ubuntu [18:19] quote from a friend "if Bill a dollar for every time I rebooted windows... Oh wait he does." [18:19] lol [18:19] cool Gotango [18:19] Did'nt have a spare HDD though [18:19] i remember the conversation [18:19] Saved it to memory card then put it on ubuntu [18:20] there are now 1TB usb sticks available [18:20] lol [18:20] only %1300 [18:20] $1300 [18:20] or maybe $ [18:20] lol [18:20] madness you can get a hdd for less [18:21] 3TB for that price i think [18:21] ahh yes but the size Kilos, the size [18:21] at times im like yanks [18:21] bigger is better [18:22] I would want an SSD for the speedof it, the size is not so important [18:23] whew those things are costly [18:24] If you got lots of video's , songs, and programs, games, then a regular HDD is best [18:24] cheapest storage by far for size, and getting cheaper too [18:26] well apart from things like tape [18:26] True magespawn. For a software developer type of person though an SSD will be perfect [18:26] why? [18:26] i get used to doing things slowly [18:26] SSD's are fast [18:26] ssd's are for okes like Symmetria [18:27] lol, only museums use tape still right ? [18:27] there was a few years ago a ram drive built on a pci card that was blazing fast [18:28] yeah but what for [18:28] tapes are still used by some for off site backups of company data [18:28] we are limited by our internet [18:28] you could set the ram drive to be the swop partition of your hard drive [18:29] well if you have money then you can get almost anything [18:29] ya ram is fast [18:29] money? [18:29] whats that [18:29] indeed [18:29] need to win the lotto or something [18:30] ya [18:31] wb Gotango [18:31] ty Kilos [18:32] closed tab by accident [18:32] oh lotsa tabs open on opera also uses lots of cpu [18:32] haha [18:33] I only got 5 tabs open though, max is 10 for me [18:34] Have to use opera for my dev stuff, i assume its more efficient than firefox and chrome [18:35] all browser i mean [18:35] im sure the fox uses even more [18:36] i have managed to crash a pc by opening too many tabs in firefox [18:36] ive used opera for a few years now and happy with it [18:36] I dont like the extra background processes of firefox and chrome [18:36] whew magespawn [18:36] Opera has none of that [18:36] there is another one on ubuntu Gotango [18:37] might be lighter [18:37] Chromium Kilos ? [18:37] no [18:37] Iceweasel [18:37] im thinking [18:37] Thats bad magespawn [18:37] midori? [18:37] Its still webkit [18:38] never heard of that [18:38] Midori is a lightweight web browser based on WebKit. [18:38] then there are links and lynx [18:39] cli browsers [18:39] and elinks i think [18:39] those are good for capped peeps [18:39] no popups or adds [18:39] only text [18:40] Nah i will stick with the old opera , webkit engines ask too much from the system [18:40] I will only use a webkit broswer to test some things, then close them [18:41] browser* [18:41] lol , only text ? [18:41] yup no pictures [18:42] Must be a 12 year old who made that [18:42] and no formatting either [18:42] lol [18:43] Lynx [18:44] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser) [18:44] also when you want to download large things you use wget [18:45] Damn , and the lynx is my fav animal [18:45] ai! [18:45] wget, is like a download manager Kilos [18:45] rooikat lam vreter [18:46] in cli man wget [18:46] i know [18:46] you run it from terminal with the link [18:47] I used to just throw the link into a gui DM, then it downloaded lol [18:47] wget is fast [18:48] faster than using a browser [18:48] and uses min resources [18:48] I guess so [18:48] i use it for getting isos [18:49] I did everything with opera [18:49] Kilos: wget is not necessarily faster than the browser [18:49] and with -c in the command it will fetch whats missing if your internet drops [18:49] and can started and stopped, and can restart if disconnected [18:49] good evening [18:49] man wget [18:49] hey inetpro [18:49]