[05:14] <Kilos> morning all
[05:41] <kbmonkey> morning
[05:42] <Kilos> morning kbmonkey 
[05:43] <kbmonkey> hello Kilos 
[05:43] <kbmonkey> another monday for us working folk!
[05:44] <Kilos> yeah
[05:45] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:47] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi oom Kilos 
[05:48] <Kilos> hi there nuvolari 
[05:48] <nuvolari> how are you?
[05:48] <Kilos> good ty and you laddy
[05:50] <bduk1> More Kilos  and others
[05:50] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[05:51] <nlsthzn> o/
[05:56] <kbmonkey> hi ho hi ho its off to work I go
[05:56] <Kilos> have a good day kbmonkey 
[05:57] <kbmonkey> you too Kilos !
[05:57] <Kilos> ty
[06:06] <nuvolari> I'm good thanks oom Kilos 
[06:06] <nuvolari> hi nlsthzn, bduk1 
[06:06] <Kilos> inetpro, morning 17mm
[06:06] <nuvolari> hi kbmonkey!
[06:06] <nlsthzn> morning all
[06:13] <Kilos> sjoe ians zte modem that dont work on windows flies here
[06:13] <Kilos> downloaded an is with an average speed of 502 kB/s
[06:16] <Kilos> s/is/iso
[06:20] <Kilos> that was a good swop for me for my arab alcatel modem
[06:21] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[06:21] <superfly> hi Kilos
[06:22] <Kilos> where is the british ianian ocean territory?
[06:22] <Kilos> i see thats where our guest lurker is
[06:37] <Squirm> morning
[06:40] <inetpro> Kilos: 6mm
[06:40] <inetpro> good morning
[06:40] <Kilos> at least you got something hey
[06:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[07:14] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:14] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:17] <mazal> I see the meetings have been shifted to Tuesdays
[07:17] <Kilos> correct
[07:17] <Kilos> so maiacan join us as well and hopefully a couple more
[07:18] <Kilos> mondays was bad for some
[07:18] <mazal> k
[07:40] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:41] <Vince-0> !
[07:55] <Kilos> morning tumbleweed you must keep us informed of your plans please 
[07:55] <Kilos> im scared if you go stateside you will also just lurk here like the crash kid
[08:21] <Kilos> hi liamT long time no see
[08:25] <charl> good morning
[08:25] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:25]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[08:26] <Kilos> ohi charl 
[08:26] <charl> hi Kilos 
[08:26] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:26] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[08:26] <Kilos> hes lagging a bit today
[08:27] <liamT> y
[08:28] <charl> hi liamT 
[08:28] <liamT> moaning everyone
[08:29] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:54] <charl> this is nice: https://www.useotrproject.org/
[08:54] <charl> "The USE OTR Project aims at improving security, encryption and usability of open source instant messengers (IM). Our goal is simple: better security, usability and encryption of existing IM software. "
[09:01] <charl> i actually want to attend this: https://fosdem.org/2014/schedule/event/postfix_lessons_learned_and_recent_developments/
[09:01] <charl> "Postfix open source mail server - lessons learned and recent developments"
[09:01] <Kilos> hi JoTraGo 
[09:01] <charl> that's by a guy called Wietse Venema, a dutch guy who is behind postfix
[09:03] <Kilos> i need to power down to remove dvdrom
[09:03] <Kilos> wbb
[09:03] <Kilos> oh my
[09:40] <charl> wb Kilos, psyatw 
[09:40] <psyatw> ty charl
[09:40] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:40] <Kilos> ty psyatw stupid modem disconnected
[09:40] <Kilos> ohi psyatw 
[09:40] <Kilos> ty charl 
[09:46] <Kilos> oh the guest left without saying one word
[09:46] <Kilos> hi drussell hows davy
[09:50] <drussell> Kilos: struggling through Monday morning ;o)
[09:50] <drussell> Kilos: how's you?
[09:51] <Kilos> good ty drussell heavy weekend?
[09:51] <Kilos> :_)
[09:51] <Kilos> ai!
[09:51] <Kilos> :-)
[09:52] <drussell> Kilos: hehe good weekend yeah ;o)
[09:54] <Kilos> haha
[10:20] <Kilos> hmm... mazal crashed something
[10:51] <Kilos> wb bduk1 mazal  wat het julle gebreek?
[10:51] <mazal> Wassie ons nie , ouens het ons krag getrip
[10:53] <Kilos> ai!
[10:59] <bduk1> Ons breek nie iets wat reg is nie ons kyk net hoekom werk dit en dan breek dit gewoonlik self
[11:03] <Kilos> lol
[11:47] <inetpro> Kilos: raining here in town
[11:47] <Kilos> wow hotashel here
[12:01] <nuvolari> even by the sea it's dry :-/
[12:01] <Kilos> wow
[12:12] <Kilos> nuvolari, nice to have you back with us again
[13:37] <Kilos> what is the advantage of using a 64bit iso over a 32bit iso
[15:10] <inetpro> Kilos: with a 64bit system you can fit 64bits of information into one contiguous space of ram
[15:11] <Kilos> so it should be faster right inetpro ?
[15:11] <Kilos> but also use more resources
[15:11] <inetpro> on a 32bit system the same 64 bits of info would have to be split up into different places in memory
[15:12] <inetpro> if you split up information into different spaces you need to keep track of it
[15:12] <inetpro> yes, speed is one factor
[15:13] <Kilos> how many factors are there
[15:13] <Kilos> like do you run kde 64bit
[15:13] <inetpro> yes I do
[15:13] <Kilos> oh my
[15:13] <Kilos> ok sir ty very much. that explains it nicely
[15:14] <Kilos> how much ram you got
[15:14] <inetpro> with 64bit you you can use more than 4GB of ram effectively
[15:15] <Kilos> aha 
[15:15] <inetpro> with a 32bit system, if you have more than 4GB of RAM it goes for a waste
[15:15] <Kilos> goes to waste
[15:17] <inetpro> yep
[15:17] <Kilos> ty i understand it a bit better now. basically its moving 64bits at a time instead of 32
[15:18] <inetpro> yebo
[15:18] <Kilos> gracias
[15:18] <Kilos> we had no rain
[15:18]  * Kilos sighs
[15:19] <Kilos> today i mean, why does it go wash the town and not come here
[15:20] <nlsthzn> pae?
[15:20] <nlsthzn> used to be 32-bit systems couldn't address more memory than 4gb... that not the case anymore...
[15:21]  * nlsthzn is just saying as he passes through... weeeeeeeeee.....
[15:21] <Kilos> pae?
[15:21] <nlsthzn> pae kernels can address more than 4gb memory even though 32-bit
[15:22] <Kilos> through
[15:22] <inetpro> in principle, a 64-bit microprocessor can address 16 exabytes of memory
[15:22] <Kilos> so what kernel has 12.04 got
[15:22] <inetpro> in practice, it is less than that
[15:22] <nlsthzn> that is a lot of 1's and 0's :p
[15:22] <Kilos> how does one check how much ram is being used?
[15:23] <Kilos> whew is everything still in binary
[15:23] <Kilos> thats what its called hey?
[15:24] <inetpro> Kilos: that is what bits are, just 1's and 0's
[15:24] <nlsthzn> there are 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those tired of this joke
[15:25] <nlsthzn> Kilos, use top in terminal
[15:25] <inetpro> Kilos: free
[15:25] <inetpro> just type 'free' and enter on the cli
[15:27] <nlsthzn> sweet... I suck at cli
[15:27] <nlsthzn> I still have a gig free
[15:27] <nlsthzn> btw uncle Kilos ... will be phoning about your package tomorrow so will let you know
[15:28] <Kilos> cool ty nlsthzn 
[15:28] <Kilos> lets hold them thumbs hey
[15:29] <Kilos> Mem:       2029048    1701880     327168          0     127228     807096
[15:29] <Kilos> -/+ buffers/cache:     767556    1261492
[15:29] <Kilos> Swap:      5890804          0    5890804
[15:29] <Kilos> so im not even using the 2g ram 
[15:29] <Kilos> and no swap
[15:30] <Kilos> maybe with media running it would i spose
[15:31] <nlsthzn> not everything uses or needs lots of ram
[15:31] <nlsthzn> currently browsers with many tabs eats lots of ram and also games
[15:31]  * nlsthzn goes to have dinner
[15:31] <Kilos> oh ya i saw other day opera was using lots of cpu too
[15:32] <Kilos> enjoy nlsthzn 
[15:32] <Kilos> dankie inetpro 
[15:32] <Kilos> :-)
[15:39] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:39] <Kilos> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/kingston-1tb-usb-sale,25658.html
[17:01] <magespawn> good evening all
[17:03] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:03] <magespawn> hey Kilos 
[17:03] <Kilos> you on the fone thing?
[17:04] <magespawn> nah the laptop linked through the tablet
[17:04] <Kilos> aha
[17:07] <magespawn> typing would never be this fast or accurate on the tablet
[17:09] <magespawn> so what is up today?
[17:10] <magespawn> i finally got bonamanzi back on adsl today
[17:11] <magespawn> so all is good with the world
[17:17] <Kilos> well done
[17:18] <Kilos> all quiet here again today
[17:18] <Kilos> looks like gotango killed his lappy
[17:19] <Kilos> or blew his data
[17:20] <magespawn> whoops
[17:20] <magespawn> lets hope it is the data
[17:20] <Kilos> ya
[17:21] <Kilos> worked too hard convincing him
[17:21] <Kilos> and ian just opened the admin user on my win7
[17:22] <Kilos> tango coulda done that to unlock the lappy
[17:22] <Kilos> i didnt know
[17:22] <magespawn> yes he could, i also did not think of that
[17:23] <Kilos> so crazy windows is. need passwd to login as me but as admin it goes straight in
[17:23] <magespawn> yup that is the default admin, that is the problem with windows
[17:25] <magespawn> or rather that is one of the problems with windows, and most people do not know about that
[17:26] <Kilos> i should have watched ho he did it
[17:26] <magespawn> you can password protect it, then you have no back door if something goes wrong
[17:26] <Kilos> i dont need passwd protection here methinks
[17:27] <Kilos> only i touch my pcs and dont go online with windows
[17:27] <magespawn> most people who know about the admin will know other ways around passwords
[17:28] <Kilos> he needs to know these things to do his work i spose
[17:29] <magespawn> it is very useful when people lock themselves out of their pc, or you need to get in for other reasons
[17:30] <Kilos> ya he needs to get in to sort the software for scanners and things
[17:31] <Kilos> but he dont tell me come learn he just does it on the quiet
[17:31] <Kilos> kids sigh
[17:36] <magespawn> i am sure you can google it
[17:37] <Kilos> most likely yeah
[17:37] <Kilos> but dont need it 
[17:37] <Kilos> was trying to turn off e220 cddrive thing
[17:37] <Kilos> made no diffs in my user or admin
[17:38] <Kilos> and i dunno what to do with minicom
[17:38] <magespawn> it won't, i think  it is the software on the on the e220
[17:39] <Kilos> got to where it says run a script but all i want is one command to switch off the cd thing
[17:39] <Kilos> ya its read only but there are commands to stop it
[17:40] <Kilos> AT ^ U2DIAG = 0 (device-only modem)
[17:40] <Kilos> that should kill the storage side
[17:41] <Kilos> i would prefer to format the storage part
[17:41] <magespawn> what exactly are you trying to do?
[17:42] <Kilos> its running on mobile partner but still opens the vmclite stuff
[17:42] <Kilos> maybe its the 2 things clashing that cause it to timeout
[17:42] <magespawn> i see, then you can use the mobile partner to flash the e220
[17:42] <Kilos> i want to remove the vmc lit
[17:43] <Kilos> yessir
[17:43] <Kilos> the voda stuff being read only causes the prob i think
[17:43] <Kilos> ians zte has same prob
[17:44] <Kilos> cant even get drivers for win working because of it
[17:44] <Kilos> so i swopped him my arab modem
[17:44] <magespawn> if you go to the manufacturer's website they usually have the stock software to flash the modem
[17:45] <Kilos> i did it on the e220 but vmclite stays there
[17:45] <magespawn> that is strange
[17:45] <Kilos> i was thinking of chowning the thing
[17:45] <Kilos> itd like embedded
[17:45] <magespawn> try the software from the @lantic website
[17:46] <Kilos> or locked
[17:46] <magespawn> let me get the link
[17:46] <Kilos> i think i did magespawn 
[17:46] <Kilos> i also used the huawei flash upgrade thing
[17:47] <magespawn> oh wow, that persistent 
[17:47] <Kilos> it works fine but im sure that vmclite is what is making it timeout
[17:47] <Kilos> ive flashed it about 7 times
[17:47] <Kilos> hehe
[17:48] <Kilos> but im sure our gsm guy will throw a hint or 2 sometime
[17:50] <Kilos> superfly, can one chown an e220 so the storage isnt read only?
[17:50] <superfly> no
[17:51] <Kilos> how does one do it then
[17:51] <Kilos> hi Gotango 
[17:51] <Gotango> hi Kilos
[17:52] <Kilos> you worked some today?
[17:52]  * Gotango : Time to dismantle a desktop pc = 5 minutes . Time to dismantle an hp laptop 3 hours lol
[17:52] <Kilos> airvents and bows
[17:52] <Kilos> ya they terrible things
[17:53] <Gotango> Yeah , i managed to completely open this thing and reach the heat sink and took out the fan :0
[17:53] <Kilos> everything clean now?
[17:54] <Gotango> There was a thick layer of dust blocking the heat sink where the fan blew air out
[17:54] <Gotango> Yes
[17:54] <Gotango> Almost like new
[17:54] <Kilos> great
[17:55] <Kilos> and now we see the heat prob is cured
[17:55] <Kilos> did you add some vents?
[17:56] <Kilos> with good planning vents could be used to allow blowing inside clean with air
[17:56] <Gotango> Well i cant almost hear the fan now, its like it blew on win7, and the heat , well most of its gone , but still hotter than on win7 idle
[17:56] <Kilos> once you got the drivers it should be fine
[17:56] <magespawn> hey Gotango 
[17:57] <Gotango> I hop the drivers will help
[17:57] <Gotango> Hey magespawn
[17:57] <Gotango> hope*
[17:57] <magespawn> that dust thing is a common problem with older machines
[17:58] <Kilos> nice thing with desktops you can add blowers
[17:58] <Gotango> Everything is packed extremely tight though , i cant even find a place to make vents to let air in
[17:58] <Kilos> wow
[17:59] <Kilos> p4s got places to mount 3 fans
[17:59] <Gotango> Ya magespawn , 4 years of dust
[17:59] <magespawn> there should be enough events
[18:00] <Gotango> The only incoming air vent is underneath the lappy, and the fan is locked into the cpu only to cool that
[18:01] <magespawn> in the bios there should be something that might allow you to see the temp and fan speeds when the system is running
[18:02] <Gotango> So i got the lappy now 3 centimeters in the air to let the air come in from the bottom. HP really did bad work on the ventilation
[18:02] <magespawn> maybe one of those laptop stands would be a good idea
[18:03] <Kilos> you could try gluing some rubber feet on
[18:03] <Gotango> Oh i forgot to see there magespawn , thanks i will take a look later
[18:04] <Gotango> There is rubber feet on the corners of the lappy, but those only give 3mm space for air to get through
[18:04] <Kilos> like they use for door stops
[18:05] <Kilos> you know them black rubber things with a screw hole in the centre
[18:05] <Gotango> But i'm happy most of the heat and fan abuse is gone :)
[18:05] <Kilos> yay that makes me happy too
[18:06] <Kilos> you been hard work for a ballie
[18:06] <Gotango> lol :D
[18:08] <Kilos> oh and we worked out how to unlock all the windows stuff
[18:08] <Kilos> haha
[18:09] <Gotango> What windows stuff
[18:09] <Kilos> all the stuff that showed as locked when we tried to resize it
[18:09] <Kilos> p0artitions 
[18:09] <Kilos> partitions too
[18:10] <Gotango> A little too late now lol
[18:10] <Gotango> But me not going back to windows
[18:10] <Kilos> yeah 
[18:11] <Kilos> i didnt know how to unlock anything on 7
[18:11] <Kilos> im glad to hear that
[18:12] <Gotango> Glad you worked it out, now you can teach another newbie 
[18:12] <Kilos> no man ill just tell them to boot from ubuntu cd and choose erase and use the entire disk
[18:13] <Gotango> haha
[18:13] <Kilos> hehe
[18:13] <Gotango> You convinced me 
[18:13] <Kilos> ya but we first tried to save your 7
[18:14] <Kilos> its now your job to teach the next newbie
[18:14] <Gotango> Ya , but 7 was on its death bed already
[18:14] <Kilos> oh we just filled the grave
[18:14] <Gotango> hmm, i will try :)
[18:15] <Gotango> I even did a silent prayer before tossing the coffin in
[18:15] <Kilos> hehe
[18:16] <Kilos> now its just telkom sim then you are mobile
[18:16] <magespawn> if you boot from a live cd you can mount the windows drive and copy any files that you need, there various other tool like TRD
[18:17] <magespawn> TrinityRescueDisk
[18:17] <Gotango> Yeah will do that this week Kilos, Telkom mobile better be active here
[18:17] <Kilos> hope so
[18:18] <Gotango> I already saved all the stuff  i needed from windows magespawn. All my fav stuff to do is now on ubuntu
[18:19] <magespawn> quote from a friend "if Bill a dollar for every time I rebooted windows... Oh wait he does."
[18:19] <Kilos> lol
[18:19] <magespawn> cool Gotango 
[18:19] <Gotango> Did'nt have a spare HDD though
[18:19] <magespawn> i remember the conversation
[18:19] <Gotango> Saved it to memory card then put it on ubuntu
[18:20] <Kilos> there are now 1TB usb sticks available
[18:20] <Gotango> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> only %1300
[18:20] <Kilos> $1300
[18:20] <magespawn> or maybe $
[18:20] <magespawn> lol
[18:20] <Kilos> madness you can get a hdd for less
[18:21] <Kilos> 3TB for that price i think
[18:21] <magespawn> ahh yes but the size Kilos, the size
[18:21] <Kilos> at times im like yanks
[18:21] <Kilos> bigger is better
[18:22] <Gotango> I would want an SSD for the speedof it, the size is not so important
[18:23] <Kilos> whew those things are costly
[18:24] <Gotango> If you got lots of video's , songs, and programs, games, then a regular  HDD is best
[18:24] <magespawn> cheapest storage by far for size, and getting cheaper too
[18:26] <magespawn> well apart from things like tape
[18:26] <Gotango> True magespawn. For a software developer type of person though an SSD will be perfect
[18:26] <Kilos> why?
[18:26] <magespawn> i get used to doing things slowly
[18:26] <magespawn> SSD's are fast
[18:26] <Kilos> ssd's are for okes like Symmetria 
[18:27] <Gotango> lol, only museums use tape still right ?
[18:27] <magespawn> there was a few years ago a ram drive built on a pci card that was blazing fast
[18:28] <Kilos> yeah but what for
[18:28] <magespawn> tapes are still used by some for off site backups of company data
[18:28] <Kilos> we are limited by our internet
[18:28] <magespawn> you could set the ram drive to be the swop partition of your hard drive
[18:29] <magespawn> well if you have money then you can get almost anything
[18:29] <Kilos> ya ram is fast
[18:29] <Kilos> money?
[18:29] <Kilos> whats that
[18:29] <magespawn> indeed
[18:29] <magespawn> need to win the lotto or something
[18:30] <Kilos> ya
[18:31] <Kilos> wb Gotango 
[18:31] <Gotango> ty Kilos
[18:32] <Gotango> closed tab by accident
[18:32] <Kilos> oh lotsa tabs open on opera also uses lots of cpu
[18:32] <Kilos> haha
[18:33] <Gotango> I only got 5 tabs open though, max is 10 for me
[18:34] <Gotango> Have to use opera for my dev stuff, i assume its more efficient than firefox and chrome
[18:35] <Kilos> all browser i mean
[18:35] <Kilos> im sure the fox uses even more
[18:36] <magespawn> i have managed to crash a pc by opening too many tabs in firefox
[18:36] <Kilos> ive used opera for a few years now and happy with it
[18:36] <Gotango> I dont like the extra background processes of firefox and chrome
[18:36] <Kilos> whew magespawn 
[18:36] <Gotango> Opera has none of that
[18:36] <Kilos> there is another one on ubuntu Gotango 
[18:37] <Kilos> might be lighter
[18:37] <Gotango> Chromium Kilos ?
[18:37] <Kilos> no
[18:37] <magespawn> Iceweasel
[18:37] <Kilos> im thinking
[18:37] <Gotango> Thats bad magespawn
[18:37] <Kilos> midori?
[18:37] <Gotango> Its still webkit 
[18:38] <Gotango> never heard of that
[18:38] <Kilos> Midori is a lightweight web browser based on WebKit.
[18:38] <Kilos> then there are links and lynx
[18:39] <Kilos> cli browsers
[18:39] <Kilos> and elinks i think
[18:39] <Kilos> those are good for capped peeps
[18:39] <Kilos> no popups or adds
[18:39] <Kilos> only text
[18:40] <Gotango> Nah i will stick with the old opera , webkit engines ask too much from the system
[18:40] <Gotango> I will only use a webkit broswer to test some things, then close them
[18:41] <Gotango> browser*
[18:41] <Gotango> lol , only text ?
[18:41] <magespawn> yup no pictures
[18:42] <Gotango> Must be a 12 year old who made that 
[18:42] <magespawn> and no formatting either
[18:42] <Gotango> lol
[18:43] <magespawn> Lynx
[18:44] <magespawn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynx_(web_browser)
[18:44] <Kilos> also when you want to download large things you use wget
[18:45] <Gotango> Damn , and the lynx is my fav animal
[18:45] <Kilos> ai!
[18:45] <Gotango> wget, is like a download manager Kilos
[18:45] <Kilos> rooikat lam vreter
[18:46] <Kilos> in cli man wget
[18:46] <Gotango> i know
[18:46] <Kilos> you run it from terminal with the link
[18:47] <Gotango> I used to just throw the link into a gui DM, then it downloaded lol
[18:47] <Kilos> wget is fast
[18:48] <Kilos> faster than using a browser
[18:48] <Kilos> and uses min resources
[18:48] <Gotango> I guess so
[18:48] <Kilos> i use it for getting isos
[18:49] <Gotango> I did everything with opera
[18:49] <inetpro> Kilos: wget is not necessarily faster than the browser 
[18:49] <Kilos> and with -c in the command it will fetch whats missing if your internet drops
[18:49] <magespawn> and can started and stopped, and can restart if disconnected
[18:49] <inetpro> good evening
[18:49] <magespawn> man wget
[18:49] <magespawn> hey inetpro
[18:49] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[18:50] <magespawn> hah that is funny
[18:50] <Gotango> Hi inetpro
[18:51] <Kilos> inetpro, what does not necessarily mean?
[18:51] <Kilos> surely its faster or slower
[18:51] <inetpro> have you compared it?
[18:51] <Kilos> what outside factors affect it
[18:52] <Kilos> do you use it?
[18:52] <inetpro> I use both ways
[18:52] <Kilos> and?
[18:52] <inetpro> horses for courses 
[18:52] <inetpro> downloading via the browser is not slow
[18:53] <Kilos> oh apples for apples thing?
[18:53] <Kilos> i downloaded xfce by accident
[18:53] <inetpro> at least I have never seen a significant difference in speed 
[18:53] <Kilos> 450m about
[18:53] <Kilos> with opera
[18:54] <inetpro> s/significant/noticeable/
[18:54] <Kilos> average speed 502kB/s
[18:54] <Kilos> now no more data
[18:55] <inetpro> comparing speeds is much more complicated than than
[18:55] <Kilos> yeah i think so
[18:56] <Kilos> you cant i think because different times net gives different results
[18:56] <inetpro> exactly
[18:56] <Kilos> and maybe just when you wanna test 500 peeps also want to
[18:56] <inetpro> and there are many factors involved
[18:56] <inetpro> nou verstaan jy
[18:56] <Kilos> ja
[18:57] <inetpro> fact is wget is a very handy utility for downloading stuff
[18:57] <Kilos> you could only compare speeds if they were between 2 pcs connected with eth
[18:57] <inetpro> but it's not the only one out there
[18:58] <Kilos> other than wget?
[18:58] <inetpro> another very nice one is curl
[18:58] <Kilos> sjoe
[18:58] <inetpro> man curl
[18:58] <Kilos> ai!
[18:59] <Kilos> not installed so no man curl
[18:59] <Kilos> so we
[19:00] <Kilos> dont give more now man wget works kiff
[19:00] <inetpro> no worries, there are some overlaps in functionality, but they are not meant to do exactly the same things
[19:01] <inetpro> they both have plenty of options
[19:01] <Kilos> sjoe
[19:02] <Kilos> im  sure you come with man this and man that just to torment me
[19:03] <magespawn> just the mention of man is enough to bring inetpro 
[19:03] <inetpro> :-)
[19:03] <inetpro> man is your friend
[19:04] <Kilos> ai!
[19:04] <Kilos> your friend
[19:05] <Kilos> like google
[19:05] <magespawn> indeed especially when dealing with toasters
[19:05] <inetpro>  curl vs Wget http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/curl-vs-wget.html
[19:06] <Kilos> ai! he doesnt give up does he
[19:07] <inetpro> my point is, even on a page like that, there is no comparison on speed
[19:07] <Kilos> ja ja
[19:08] <magespawn> you would need a controlled environment to do a pure speed test, which would render it null and void anyway
[19:08] <Kilos> yeah
[19:08] <inetpro> magespawn: thank you
[19:08] <inetpro> ai!
[19:08] <magespawn> a bit like how far can a wifi link cover etc
[19:10] <magespawn> i notice a speed difference on the work link to town just when the leaves of the trees are wet
[19:11] <Kilos> yean and will be better in midwinter too
[19:12] <Kilos> magespawn, what distance you getting wifi over
[19:12] <Kilos> with boosters between ?
[19:13] <Kilos> wget rocks for fetching isos
[19:22] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:26] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos I am using two Nanobridge M5 from Ubiquiti http://www.ubnt.com/airmax
[19:26] <Maaz> magespawn: Got it, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:27] <magespawn> Maaz tell Kilos about 5kms
[19:27] <Maaz> magespawn: Righto, I'll tell Kilos on freenode
[19:42] <inetpro> magespawn: that is not wifi
[19:43] <inetpro> don't confuse kilos
[19:43] <magespawn> no it isn't, but i am not sure how else to explain it inetpro
[19:44] <inetpro> just call it wireless
[19:44] <magespawn> okay wilco
[19:44] <inetpro> wifi is a wireless local network (WLAN)
[19:45] <magespawn> i have users who think that because they can connect to the work wifi they can get out onto the internet
[19:46] <inetpro> more precisely, products using the IEEE 802.11 WLAN standards are marketed under the Wi-Fi brand name
[19:47] <inetpro> he would love to connect his home with the free wifi points around the city
[19:47] <inetpro> unfortunately that won't work
[19:47] <magespawn> so maybe W-WLAN then
[19:48] <magespawn> do they protect them? or signal problems?
[19:49] <inetpro> well they are local to whichever area 
[19:51] <inetpro> wifi is typically restricted to a short range of just 20m
[19:52] <inetpro> though with new technology it probably goes further by now
[19:53] <magespawn> indeed i have a couple of engenius ap that cover about 50-60  line of site, but a bit pricey
[19:54] <magespawn> actually i should measure how far they do go, would be nice to know
[19:56] <magespawn> these ones http://www.engeniustech.com/business-networking/indoor-access-points-client-bridges/16362-ecb150 although i think the ones i have claim 300mbps
[20:04] <inetpro> interesting
[20:05] <magespawn> that is just from memory, which can be faulty though
[20:06] <inetpro> specs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11
[20:08] <magespawn> i like the picture of the linksys, i like that software
[20:10] <magespawn> have not tried the open version yet
[20:12] <charl> hi magespawn 
[20:12] <charl> you been scarce, still so busy?
[20:12] <magespawn> hey charl 
[20:12] <magespawn> yup
[20:12] <charl> yes linksys ftw
[20:12] <magespawn> the work is settling down though
[20:13] <charl> put down a little linksys like that with some high-gain antennas and you have a long range solution
[20:13] <charl> i have seen many of them
[20:14] <magespawn> you have to modify the antennas though, the originals are fixed
[20:15] <charl> hmmm
[20:15] <charl> i thought there was a way to just screw off the antennas
[20:15] <magespawn> not on the original casing, as far as i know
[20:15] <charl> bah
[20:16] <charl> what happened to this site http://www.wug.za.net/gallery/
[20:16] <charl> now it just says forbidden
[20:16] <charl> they used to have some cool fotos up on there
[20:17] <magespawn> if you go to the wug site it says it is a new site, so something might have happened to the gallery
[20:18] <magespawn> hmmm gallery link still forbidden
[20:19] <charl> nah man it has been like that for ages
[20:19] <charl> http://www.wug.za.net/pics/installation/1028_100130_171047.jpg
[20:19] <charl> this one brings back memories, i used to have one of those
[20:19] <charl> also mounted in a case like that
[20:19] <charl> what was it called... routerboard or something
[20:19] <charl> with routeros
[20:19] <charl> mikrotik that was it
[20:20] <charl> that's the stuff those are awesome
[20:20] <magespawn> i have a look at mikrotik but have not had a chance to work with it yet
[20:21] <charl> they were cheap and really good, the software was good too except to really use it you needed a client application that only ran on windows
[20:21] <charl> the ssh and web interface were limited
[20:21] <magespawn> i am finding it is that way with most things
[20:22] <magespawn> some of the manufacturers have linux software though
[20:22] <charl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MikroTik
[20:22] <charl> wikipedia has some more cool pics
[20:23] <charl> didn't know they are from latvia though
[20:23] <charl> it also has a built-in captive portal
[20:23] <charl> and it allows you to do authentication against radius
[20:23] <charl> i connected it with freeradius with a mysql backend
[20:23] <charl> it was quite a trick to get it working because the documentation at the time was terrible
[20:24] <charl> but once you can authenticate against a mysql database you can add a web interface on top of it to administrate users
[20:24] <charl> you can build web interfaces against a mysql database very quickly nowadays with tools like spring roo
[20:24] <magespawn> nice
[20:24] <magespawn> still need to learn a bit before i get to that level
[20:25] <charl> this was stuff i was doing back in 2007 but since then i kind-of lost interest in wireless
[20:25] <charl> i don't even use wireless in my home, i have my laptop connected directly to my cablemodem via ethernet lan cable
[20:25] <charl> utp
[20:26] <charl> the company i was doing work for was also very busy with asterisk/sip back then
[20:26] <charl> making free calls over distance across wifi in africa - beautiful :)
[20:27] <magespawn> especially with our call charges 
[20:27] <charl> well the netherlands used to have some of the most expensive call charges in the world
[20:27] <charl> i don't know if that is still the case though, prices have come down a lot in the last few years
[20:29] <charl> http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/med_ave_cos_of_loc_cal-media-average-cost-local-call
[20:31] <charl> oh no that was SMS charges that used to be over the top, something like 0,50 eurocent per sms
[20:31] <charl> which is why everyone used msn messenger instead of sms back then
[20:31] <charl> but now there's whatsapp...
[21:19] <magespawn> i am off too bed 
[21:19] <magespawn> good night all