[00:09] <SatanicDolphin> Hey is that guy who helped me earlier still here?
[00:14] <SatanicDolphin> Well if you are here you linked me this: http://xubuntugeek.blogspot.pt/2013/04/how-to-install-xubuntu-on-usb-device.html
[00:15] <SatanicDolphin> and i think you misunderstood what i wanted, i wanted the OS running off the usb not just to install off the usb.
[00:25] <SatanicDolphin> :(
[00:31] <ochosi> SatanicDolphin: in case you're in ubuntu/xubuntu, you can also use usb-creator-gtk
[00:32] <ochosi> it has an option to retain your settings and data (you can set how many MB/GB will be used for that)
[00:34] <SatanicDolphin> ahh
[00:35] <SatanicDolphin> is there a linux distro that is best suited to being run off a usb?
[00:37] <SatanicDolphin> wait for xubuntu i should just click try xubuntu and it will save the files correct?
[00:37] <Orioa> yeah
[00:38] <SatanicDolphin> but i don't have a way to bypass that screen so it would automatically try xubuntu?
[00:38] <Orioa> when you shut it down there is an option to save
[00:38] <SatanicDolphin> ahh
[00:40] <Orioa> i use usb to install my xubuntu ..but i used the try xubuntu before you install ans when i exited it asked if i want to save session
[00:41] <SatanicDolphin> i'm going check it out now
[00:41] <SatanicDolphin> thanks
[00:41] <Orioa> np yw
[00:41] <Orioa> glad to help
[02:11] <prbc> Hi, how can I zoom in terminal?
[02:17] <holstein> prbc: i usually just set the font differently
[02:21] <lnostdal> hi guys, i'm looking for something like Ubuntu One, but for use "internally" ..  i.e. only between my own machines and disks; not to the Ubuntu One back-end (Amazon AFAICT) ..  ..any suggestions?
[02:22] <holstein> lnostdal: owncloud
[02:22] <lnostdal> is it good? .. i see it depends on PHP which seems strange
[02:23] <lnostdal> (i think of Wordpress and similar things instantly; security problems etc.)
[02:23] <holstein> lnostdal: "good" is a matter of opinion.. its one of the bigger projects. and security is not an issue on your lan
[02:23] <holstein> http://www.turnkeylinux.org/owncloud is an easy way to try the server
[02:23] <lnostdal> true, i did say internally .. but also sync via Internet ..     still only on my devices though
[02:24] <holstein> lnostdal: its well supported and developed. *anything* can be left unpatched and insecure
[02:24] <lnostdal> ok
[02:26] <prbc> holstein: what happend with the functionality? I used in ubuntu
[02:26] <holstein> prbc: xubuntu *is* ubuntu.. you can use the gnome-terminal if that is what you are used to, but it has changed as well
[02:28] <holstein> prbc: http://askubuntu.com/questions/197822/what-keyboard-shortcut-changes-the-xfce4-terminal-terminal-text-size is relevant
[02:32] <xubuntu317> hello?
[02:32] <holstein> xubuntu317: hello
[02:33] <xubuntu317> anyone here
[02:33] <xubuntu317> im having trouble booting windows xp from usb. switching from xubuntu back to windows
[02:34] <xubuntu317> i get a blinking white line while booting up the laptop
[02:34] <holstein> xubuntu317: you will need to ask microsoft about that.. nothing about xubuntu is preventing your machine from booting usb
[02:34] <holstein> xubuntu317: i dont think microsoft allowed XP installation discs to boot from USB, so, look at however you are making that happen
[02:35] <xubuntu317> alright
[02:35] <xubuntu317> so i cant use something like gparted install another OS without the usb or cd?
[02:35] <prbc> holstein: thank you, I understand now
[02:35] <xubuntu317> or unetbootin
[02:36] <xubuntu317> ?
[02:36] <holstein> xubuntu317: if microsoft, or the OEM allows it, nothing about unetbootin, xubuntu, or linux prevents that
[02:37] <xubuntu317> okay.
[02:37] <holstein> xubuntu317: if your machine boots usb successfully, then the problem is likely with the USB.. you cannot just take an ISO you downloaded for xp and use unetbootin...
[04:52] <uBUXUBu> hello everyone
[09:16] <xubuntu296> morning everyone
[09:19] <cfhowlett> xubuntu296, sez you.  It's 5:18 pm in Beijing.  Greetings.
[09:19] <xubuntu296> 10, 20 in Spain
[09:22] <xubuntu296> Any all in one applet for mail, facebook,pidgin etc?
[12:56] <alin_> hy
[12:56] <alin_> i really love xubuntu
[12:56] <alin_> :)
[12:57] <alin_> someone online?
[13:34] <livram79> hello
[13:35] <livram79> just tried xubuntu 14.04 xmir and all I could see was the mouse and black screen. My laptop is IBM thinkpad R31, uses driver i915 for graphics
[13:35] <livram79> what should I do?
[13:36] <cfhowlett> livram79, you're booting an alpha release.  expect unforeseen consequences
[13:36] <Sysi> you should go for #ubuntu+1
[13:37] <livram79> well, I want to try Xmir
[13:37]  * elfy wasn't even aware we're looking at xmir anyway
[13:37] <cfhowlett> !trusty|livram79,
[13:38] <cfhowlett> livram79, can't help you in this channel.  #ubuntu+1
[13:38] <cfhowlett> elfy, pretty sure you're right.  no mir before 14.10 ...
[13:39] <livram79> ok, thanks
[13:40] <Sysi> there should be more reliable 13.10 xmir images somewhere
[13:40] <cfhowlett> OR we could wait until it's officially released and supported.  just sayin' ...
[13:40] <livram79> I think they use the same version of Xmir
[13:40] <Sysi> but everything else is more stable
[13:43] <elfy> cfhowlett: I think that Unit193 has been playing with it still - but as far as I'm concerned as qa lead - there's nothing going on :p
[13:45] <cfhowlett> elfy, that suggests that mir is NOT heading our way anytime soon?
[13:46] <elfy> if it is it'll come as an enormous surprise to me :p
[13:47] <cfhowlett> elfy, methinks I'll stick with LTS Ubuntustudio, thenkyew
[13:47] <elfy> I expect we'll look again next cycle, but there's nothing written in stone
[13:48] <elfy> given how 14.04 is looking for me atm - I might even end up with an install that doesn't change every 6 months
[13:48] <elfy> that's not happened for a long time
[15:12] <ihavequestion> Hello people. I need some help!
[15:13] <ihavequestion> Does Xubuntu 13 support installing from inside Windows?  The way it was in Xubuntu 10
[15:17] <cub> ihavequestion, I don't think so: http://askubuntu.com/questions/384058/wubi-to-install-xubuntu-13-10
[15:57] <stark> heys guys is the upcoming lts vers. is coming with the xfce 4.11?
[15:59] <baizon> stark: yes and no
[16:00] <baizon> stark: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/11/expect-xubuntu-14-04-lts
[17:32] <recon_lap> hi all, my xubuntu install is getting seriously unstable, it's locked up twice today. anyone have any suggestions how I might workout whats happening?
[17:33] <baizon> recon_lap: check your memory pls
[17:33] <baizon> and the dmesg messages
[17:34] <recon_lap> the thing hard locks, don't think it gets to put anything in dmesg
[17:34] <baizon> recon_lap: then its a hardware problem i think
[17:34] <baizon> check your memory and HDD
[17:35] <recon_lap> I'll run a mem check tonight.
[17:35] <recon_lap> and these C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt bloody files are appearing everywhere
[17:38] <baizon> recon_lap: this is a windows program?
[17:38] <recon_lap> baizon: no, it some droppings left by .pdf documents
[17:39] <recon_lap> it actually shows up in ls of directories as  "C:\nppdf32Log\debuglog.txt"
[17:39] <baizon> recon_lap: adobe reader?
[17:40] <baizon> recon_lap: this might help... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/1168570
[17:42] <recon_lap> baizon: thats the one :) only a minor annoyance compared to the system lockups. I just wonder if my crashes are related to cooling.
[17:42] <baizon> recon_lap: check temp then :)
[17:43] <recon_lap> I do, but the laptop powers up the fan while booting.
[17:44] <recon_lap> and well, cooling is not the best supported in ubuntu dists on laptops.
[17:57] <recon_lap> lol, damn, it's been so long I've forgotten the few cmd line commands for fault finding that I once knew.
[18:04] <xubuntu026> anyone here?
[18:04] <xubuntu026> i need help resizing a partition
[18:04] <godfree2> ok
[18:05] <xubuntu026> its the ext4 partition and i want to shrink it
[18:05] <godfree2> do you have a boot disk, something like http://partedmagic.com/  ?
[18:06] <xubuntu026> i have gparted if thats the same thing
[18:06] <xubuntu026> or do you mean a live cd or usb?
[18:06] <godfree2> yip that is good
[18:06] <godfree2> either
[18:06] <xubuntu026> nope, no live cd or usb with xubuntu on it
[18:07] <godfree2> gparted is avail in live cd or you can put it on an USB with unetbootin
[18:08] <xubuntu026> i already have gparted installed
[18:08] <godfree2> gparted will work on partitions you are not using
[18:09] <xubuntu026> so i cant shrink the ext4 partition using gparted then..?
[18:09] <godfree2> yip as long you are not using it
[18:09] <godfree2> if not you will need to boot to a CD or USB stick
[18:10] <recon_lap> is there a command that will turn on your cpu fan manualy?
[18:10] <xubuntu026> xubuntu is taking up basically 95% of the laptop. so the only way to shrink is to reinstall xubuntu using a live usb and allocate less space??
[18:11] <godfree2> CPU fan= don't know
[18:11] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: your gparted disk should be bootable, have you tried it?
[18:12] <elfy> recon_lap: I read that as being installed in Xubuntu
[18:12] <xubuntu026> what gparted disk...? gparted is installed as an application.
[18:12] <godfree2> gp is also a bootable mini-linux
[18:12] <elfy> xubuntu026: one way or the other you'll need to boot with a live medium so that xubuntu is not booted
[18:12] <godfree2> agreed
[18:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: you need a bootable disk if you want to resize a system partition.
[18:13] <elfy> xubuntu026: try changing piston rings while you're engine is running - similar thing :)
[18:13] <xubuntu026> what is a live medium?
[18:13] <elfy> usb/dvd
[18:13] <xubuntu026> oh. i already said that then
[18:13] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: it's this http://gparted.org/livecd.php
[18:13] <godfree2> if your machine is older than say 2005 you may not be able to boot an USB stick
[18:14] <xubuntu026> So.. booting gparted with a live cd/dvd will allow me to shrink the ext4 partition??
[18:14] <xubuntu026> rather than using the application
[18:14] <godfree2> y
[18:15] <godfree2> sounds like you need to expand more space for XU is that correct?
[18:16] <godfree2> my installs of XU are mostly above 6G in size
[18:16] <xubuntu026> no i want to shrink xubuntu not expand it.. i only have 1GB of unallocated space...
[18:16] <elfy> xubuntu026: yep - that's what you need to boot with - then you'll be able to deal with the partitions - you'll probably need to turn swap off, you can do that in the gparted too
[18:16] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: yes, it will allow you to resize the partition, you cannot use the installed g-parted as it's on the disk you want to resize( well, more like the OS that g-parted is on is using the disk you want to resize).
[18:17] <xubuntu026> alright that makes sense
[18:17] <elfy> xubuntu026: before you start - did you set it up as encrypted home?
[18:18] <xubuntu026> I was having trouble trying to boot another OS using my live USB and i figured the installation wouldnt work because I only had 1 GB of space remaining..
[18:18] <xubuntu026> I got a black screen with a white blinking underscore
[18:19] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: thats not the case, you should be able to boot from a cd/dvd/usb stick even if your computer has no hard drive.
[18:19] <godfree2> i bet your machine can not boot an USB stick, I have a few older computers that do the "blink"
[18:20] <xubuntu026> i guess youre right. i was trying to boot windows vista and xp and i got the blinking underscore
[18:20] <godfree2> my acer laptop wont boot USB on the side USB port but will on the back
[18:22] <godfree2> sounds like you need to shrink down a windows partition by about 2G and then expand XU partition by 2G so you get enough space on XU to do upgrades etc.
[18:22] <xubuntu026> me?
[18:22] <godfree2> y
[18:22] <elfy> godfree2: earlier in the conversation "[18:10] <xubuntu026> xubuntu is taking up basically 95% of the laptop."
[18:23] <elfy> so I'm not sure where you're getting this stuff from :)
[18:23] <xubuntu026> lol thanks
[18:23] <godfree2> 95% of A partition
[18:23] <godfree2> not the entire drive
[18:23] <elfy> xubuntu026: when you installed xubuntu - how did you do it
[18:23] <xubuntu026> i installed xubuntu from a usb
[18:23] <elfy> godfree2: even so - without real data from the OP we're all guessing :)
[18:23] <godfree2> true
[18:24] <elfy> ok - so you can boot with a usb - boot with it again :)
[18:24] <elfy> gparted is installed on the live image
[18:24] <xubuntu026> i erased xubuntu from the usb and put windows vista on it..
[18:24] <elfy> you will need to turn of swap - you can do it in gparted - right click on it - swap off
[18:24] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: on a side note, have you backed up all your important files?
[18:24] <xubuntu026> because i was hoping to return to vista
[18:25] <xubuntu026> theres nothing important on this laptop
[18:25] <elfy> xubuntu026: one way or the other you will need to use a linux type live system to deal with the linux filesystems
[18:25] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: you could just do a fresh install
[18:25] <xubuntu026> i dont see swap off. ext4 is the only partition i have
[18:26] <xubuntu026> alright how will i fresh install? i can do that with a live cd/usb right?
[18:27] <elfy> yes
[18:27] <xubuntu026> sorry i meant without****
[18:27] <xubuntu026> Sort of like System Restore on windows?
[18:27] <elfy> no idea - last windows I used was win2k
[18:27] <elfy> years ago
[18:28] <xubuntu026> lol you must be good with linux then. windows is good for people who arent too into programming.
[18:28] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: no, like reformatting everything from a live USB or DVD , basically erasing everything and repartition the HDD.
[18:28] <godfree2> gparted is the quickest option, get it , burn it to cd, be sure to resize a XU partition of at least 6Gigs
[18:29] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: can you burn a DVD or CD using that ISO file?
[18:30] <xubuntu026> I think my laptop is just having trouble booting Windows OS's from a USB..
[18:31] <xubuntu026> So i dont I have any option but to stick with a form of Ubuntu
[18:31] <xubuntu026> thats what it seems like
[18:32] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: you could call MS support and hand over your CC details to be told you need to order a new install dist from you computer supplier :)
[18:32] <recon_lap> disc*
[18:32] <godfree2> Windows often wpnt give error messages
[18:34] <godfree2> if u shrunk a windows partition it may fail to boot, best to defrag it 1st then have it shrunk
[18:34] <xubuntu026> alright so ill try burning the iso to a disc instead
[18:34] <godfree2> y
[18:34] <xubuntu026> i cant shrink a windows partition because I only have Xubuntu installed
[18:35] <godfree2> oh
[18:35] <godfree2> how big drive
[18:35] <xubuntu026> 28GB drive
[18:36] <xubuntu026> and xubuntu is taking 26.7GB
[18:36] <godfree2> wow that will do
[18:36] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: thats a small HDD
[18:36] <xubuntu026> lmao
[18:36] <godfree2> i put xu on 10g
[18:37] <recon_lap> will windows fit on only 30GB drive?
[18:37] <xubuntu026> I didnt mess with anything during istallation of Xubuntu. 26.7GB was the default I guess. They f*ked me over
[18:38] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: when did you get this computer, and how old is it? the 30gb might just have been the unused space.
[18:38] <godfree2> reboot in rescue mode and select remove unused programs / updated . windows vista will install on 6Gigs but will balloon to >25Gigs on updates
[18:39] <godfree2> command line : df -h
[18:39] <godfree2> that will give disk usage
[18:39] <xubuntu026> In gparted it tells me that ext4 takes up 26.7GB out of 28GB and 1GB is unallocated.
[18:40] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: does it list any other drives ?
[18:40] <xubuntu026> Im assuming ext4 is Xubuntu because when I installed it via USB, i erased the other Windows OS i had installed.
[18:40] <godfree2> ok that is the partition size not what is used
[18:41] <godfree2> run the terminal and type in: df -h
[18:41] <xubuntu026> df -h shows me exactly what gparted shows me
[18:41] <godfree2> 95% used
[18:41] <xubuntu026> ..
[18:41] <godfree2> that is a lot
[18:42] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: can you tell us what computer this is, is it an iPad or somthing like that?
[18:42] <elfy> it's perfectly normal if you let the installer use the whole drive
[18:43] <xubuntu026> Its a netbook
[18:43] <xubuntu026> IBM
[18:43] <xubuntu026> why would it be an ipad lol?
[18:44] <godfree2> :)
[18:44] <recon_lap> well, because 32gb would be the size of a flash type drive.
[18:45] <godfree2> sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:45] <elfy> xubuntu026: really - all you can do at moment is sort out a live boot of some description - all that's happening at the moment is going in cricles
[18:45] <godfree2> try that command in a terminal
[18:45] <godfree2> that should clean up unused old programs etc..
[18:46] <godfree2> how porn did you download under XU anyways? ;-)
[18:47] <xubuntu026> im currently using unetbootin to put Ubuntu on my USB. Im going to see if Ubuntu can boot from my USB
[18:47] <xubuntu026> if it works then I know the Windows ISO is the problem, or rather the laptops inability
[18:48] <godfree2> recap: the hard drive has XU on it and windows ISO is on the USB stick? the USB stick was made with unetbootin
[18:48] <godfree2> ?
[18:49] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: anyways, your mad to try use windows. :P
[18:49] <xubuntu026> Yes
[18:50] <xubuntu026> I actually enjoy Xubuntu, my younger sister just wanted to use Microsoft Powerpoint and Office to do some stuff but I couldnt get them to install..
[18:50] <godfree2> so the boot process is first try USB stick then select an OS?
[18:50] <xubuntu026> So i figured, Windows is more convenient for her.
[18:50] <godfree2> the bootloader installed by XU should be on the hard drive
[18:50] <recon_lap> xubuntu026: with a 28gb hdd I douth they will install in windows.
[18:50] <godfree2> libreoffice under XU is very good
[18:51] <xubuntu026> It already had Windows installed so.. it will work.
[18:51] <xubuntu026> It was running Windows Vista.
[18:51] <recon_lap> I'd guess the school is brainwashing the young with there free educational licenses.
[18:51] <recon_lap> their*
[18:52] <xubuntu026> lol wtf are you talking about good sir?
[18:52] <godfree2> Vista has a lot kill switches and booting from an USB is risky,
[18:53] <recon_lap> your younger sister, being brainwashed into using sub-standard MS propriety software :)
[18:53] <godfree2> if you had the space you could install Vista as a virtual machine inside XU, but not enough space nor power
[18:53] <godfree2> flashing cursor is the bootup going mental.
[18:53] <godfree2> sudo apt-get autoremove
[18:53] <godfree2> try that first to free up space
[18:54] <xubuntu026> Well its not easy to find a Powerpoint equivalent for Linux
[18:54] <xubuntu026> And .exe files are fairly easier to use.
[18:54] <elfy> xubuntu026: have you got this usb loaded with xubuntu yet?
[18:54] <elfy> and can we take the offtopic stuff to #xubuntu-ooftopic
[18:55] <elfy> godfree2: how much space do you think that apt-get autoremove is going to clear?
[18:55] <godfree2> several hundred megs
[18:56] <elfy> right - and what we're trying to achieve here is shrinking a partition by Gb's
[18:56] <godfree2> there must be some hell of a lot of updates unused
[18:56] <godfree2> very odd to have XU using 26Gigs, we don't have the full story
[18:56] <elfy> godfree2: what makes you say that?
[18:57] <xubuntu026_> Alright same problem with Windows ISO on usb...
[18:57] <godfree2> so I'm bowing out since I see where this is going. bye
[18:57] <elfy> godfree2: it is perfectly normal if the partition option was erase and use whole disk
[18:57] <xubuntu026_> Blinking underscore while trying to boot the Ubuntu ISO from usb
[18:58] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: make a CD/DVD if you can, does the netbook have a dvd drive?
[18:59] <xubuntu026_> yes
[18:59] <elfy> xubuntu026_: I thought you said earlier that you used usb to install xubuntu
[18:59] <xubuntu026_> But I had no problem booting Xubuntu from this USB...
[18:59] <xubuntu026_> i did..
[19:00] <elfy> then there is no reason why the ubuntu usb wouldn't work either
[19:00] <xubuntu026_> i put the ISO's on the USB with unetbootin then i rebooted
[19:00] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: do you have more that one usb slot?
[19:01] <xubuntu026_> yup and I tried them all. i guess ill have to try to reinstall xubuntu
[19:02] <xubuntu026_> fat32 is the correct format right??
[19:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: don't matter, to reinstall xubuntu you'll have to boot from a usb or cd anyway.
[19:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: fat32 is for windows, not linux
[19:03] <xubuntu026_> i know. instead of trying Windows and Ubuntu, ill use a Xubuntu ISO on the usb
[19:03] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: actually fat32 is really just for dos
[19:04] <xubuntu026_> So before i use unetbootin, what do i format the USB to?
[19:05] <recon_lap> I would expect that unetbootin will do it's own formatting
[19:06] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: been years since I used unetbootin
[19:10] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: just looked at unetbootin , it's burning a ISO to the USB, the ISO is a disk image, so it'll already have the format type of the disk.
[19:11] <xubuntu026_> i think the problem with unetbootin is that is "Installs Bootloader" too. isnt it supposed to use grub from xubuntu rather than whatever bootloader is with the ISO i put on the usb?
[19:12] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: circles. just burn a CD.
[19:13] <xubuntu026_> alright
[19:13] <elfy> there is no problem with using unetbootin and grub, and it will work fine with fat32 - I do it half a dozen times a week ;)
[19:14] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: and it should use the bootloader from the USB, it defeats the purpose of a boot disk of it does not use the disks bootloader.
[19:17] <xubuntu026_> lol yea youre right. i used boot repair after unetbootin and i got an error. i thought i was making progress. ill burn the cd once booted up.
[19:19] <recon_lap> old ways are best :P
[19:23] <xubuntu026_> does it matter if the iso is read only?
[19:23] <recon_lap> xubuntu026_: no
[19:27] <recon_lap1> 3rd hard lockup today :( this is getting bad.
[19:30] <xubuntu026_> Xfburn won't even open
[19:30] <xubuntu026_> nvm
[19:32] <recon_lap1> dont think it's hdd or temp related, it only crashes when I'm clicking on something
[19:32] <elfy> odd
[19:32] <elfy> /hate hardware issues
[19:32] <recon_lap1> elfy: I'm not convinced it's hardware.
[19:36] <recon_lap1> maybe memory, I'll have to setup a live USB and run a test tonight
[19:36] <xubuntu026_> can i just use unetbootin to istall the ISO over the hard drive rather than a usb or dvd? im having trouble burning it...
[19:37] <recon_lap1> xubuntu026_: no.
[19:37] <xubuntu026_> god
[19:38] <recon_lap1> xubuntu026_: not you day computer wise. but you said you dont want to install windows anymore?
[19:39] <xubuntu026_> i do want to install Windows but i was tried to install Ubuntu to see if it was a problem with the windows bootloader. and neither works
[19:40] <xubuntu026_> I'll just retry Xubuntu and if that doesn't work then something's extremely wrong
[19:43] <elfy> xubuntu026_: it's entirely possible that using a usb to install windows is not as simple as it is for us ;)
[19:44] <xubuntu026_> Well i also tried Ubuntu..
[19:47] <xubuntu026_> what's the .exe equivalent for linux??
[19:48] <recon_lap1> the executable flag (x) when you do ls -l
[19:49] <glenrock> any file on linux can be made executable
[19:49] <glenrock> sometimes those executable files are shell scripts.   extension doesn't matter
[19:51] <xubuntu026_> so will i be able to run a microsoft app such as powerpoint on linux?
[19:51] <Sysi> some versions work on wine
[19:52] <Sysi> or you could just use skydrive.com versions with webbrowser
[19:52] <glenrock> usually you'll use an equivalent that you will install from the software repositories.  for example, LibreOffice Impress is an alternative to PowerPoint
[19:53] <glenrock> like Sysi said, sometimes you can run windows apps directly using WINE
[19:53] <glenrock> what i do is install windows in a "virtual machine" on my linux box.  i install VirtualBox and then set up a windows installation that runs as if it's a program
[19:53] <glenrock> and then i always have access to a windows environment from within linux
[19:53] <xubuntu026_> I'll check those out
[19:53] <recon_lap1> this is a IBM netbook we are talking about here
[19:54] <recon_lap1> with a 30GB hdd
[19:54] <xubuntu026_> actually i used wine and powerpoint didnt work but powerpoint viewer worked -_-
[19:55] <glenrock> ya, wine can be hit or miss.  in the past there have been some efforts wrapped around wine specifically for installing Office.  i haven't looked into them lately though
[19:56] <glenrock> xubuntu026_: http://www.howtogeek.com/171565/how-to-install-microsoft-office-on-linux/
[19:56] <xubuntu940> how do i get USB devices to show up in file manager?
[19:56] <Sysi> http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?appId=31
[19:57] <glenrock> when i plug in a usb drive, i automatically get an icon on my desktop
[19:58] <xubuntu026_> your USB is in the media folder
[20:00] <xubuntu940> i have looked there and only floppy shows up. It is an old computer with floppy drive, a 60GB HD and two USB ports. I know that the USB works since it did work on an earlier version of Ubuntu.
[20:00] <xubuntu940> Does anyone know how to view a USB from the console?
[20:01] <lderan> is it mounted?
[20:02] <xubuntu940> Can you please provide a layman's definition of mounted
[20:02] <xubuntu026_> try going to Settings > Settings Manager > Removeable Drives > and check Mount removeable drives
[20:02] <xubuntu026_> Both of them
[20:02] <xubuntu940> that has already been done
[20:02] <xubuntu026_> lol
[20:03] <koegs> xubuntu940: lsusb will list your usb-devices and dmesg will show if it is recognized as a usb-drive
[20:12] <xubuntu026_> Libre is perfect thanks
[20:52] <xubuntu026_> whats the method to remove junk that was posted here?
[20:56] <elfy> xubuntu026_: in this channel?
[21:22] <radiomark> Hi, I'm looking to install xubuntu to a machine with no CD drive
[21:22] <radiomark> Are there USB installation instructions? And specifically, is there a USB image that doesn't require me to have a Mac, Windows or Ubuntu to use it?
[21:24] <knome> !usb | radiomark
[21:25] <knome> the same instructions are valid for xubuntu as well
[21:25] <knome> (and you don't need any existing OS to do that)
[21:25] <knome> (except to create the USB stick, but that can be done with virtually any system)
[21:26] <knome> that should work as long as you can boot from USB with your PC, which you probably can if you don't have a CD drive
[21:26] <radiomark> Thanks knome ... I've actually already seen that docs for Ubuntu; thanks for letting me know they can be used for xubuntu
[21:27] <knome> no problem
[21:27] <radiomark> But I'm finding this a little awkward; is there not a USB image that I can 'dd' to a USB stick?
[21:28] <knome> the regular ISO should do with that
[21:28] <radiomark> Ah, I see there is a paragraph on it; this mustn't be the doc I was reading before
[21:29] <knome> that's possible as well
[21:30] <radiomark> "The method and the script for dd image of iso file to USB device safely are described in the Ubuntu Forums tutorial "Howto make USB boot drives"."
[21:31] <radiomark> ... the link seems to suggest I need to use some special script given
[21:31] <radiomark> Just reading now
[21:34] <radiomark> Is all this shell script going to do is a simple dd? I think I trust you much more than this incredibly wordy documentation :)
[21:36] <radiomark> knome: Thanks! Booting now
[21:37] <radiomark> Really it would be easier if the documentation just said "you can also dd the image to a USB stick"
[21:37] <radiomark> It seems to think that having a script do that for me is easier :)
[21:37] <radiomark> Anyway, looking forward to trying this out... thanks again
[21:47] <knome> radiomark, np, good luck.
[21:54] <attrapereves> Hi, I am having trouble with my USB key. I am able to boot, but nothing ever comes up on the screen after the Xubuntu splash screen. I am able to access a terminal.
[22:08] <holstein> attrapereves: the usb key is a normal installation that boots from the key? or a live USB with persistence? or a USB installer? or just storage on another installation that is on another hard drive?
[22:12] <attrapereves> holstein, did you receive my previous msgs?
[22:13] <TheSheep> attrapereves: no messages appeared from you apart from the first one
[22:13] <holstein> attrapereves: 16:54 < attrapereves> Hi, I am having trouble with my USB key. I am able to boot, but nothing ever comes up on the screen  after the Xubuntu splash screen. I am able to access a terminal.
[22:13] <attrapereves> I downloaded the .ISO and ran usb-creator to create a bootable disk.
[22:14] <attrapereves> I am able to boot the disk, but I only get a black screen after the Xubuntu splash screen.
[22:14] <attrapereves> I am thinking it's a video driver issue
[22:14] <holstein> !nomodeset | attrapereves
[22:14] <holstein> attrapereves: i think it could be the drivers not supporting linux as well
[22:15] <recon_lap1> that(nomodeset) was what I was trying to remember :)
[22:16] <attrapereves> Where do I type nomodeset?
[22:16] <attrapereves> nm, just saw the link
[22:27] <attrapereves> No go with nomodeset
[22:27] <attrapereves> Any other options?
[22:28] <holstein> attrapereves: sure.. test the iso, and the stick. an easy wat to do both is to take the stick to another machine. if it doenst work there, then, its like something with the creation of it, or the iso
[22:28] <holstein> !md5 | attrapereves also can help troubleshoot installation media
[22:29] <attrapereves> holstein, already done. The stick works fine on my other laptop.
[22:30] <holstein> attrapereves: you can just install, and specify an xorg.conf that forces the vesa driver, assuming the grahpics are the issue
[22:36] <chance_> hello people
[22:36] <peyam> Hi
[22:37] <chance_> ive deleted some crucial things from xubuntu now i cant boot
[22:37] <peyam> hehe
[22:37] <chance_> but i can get into recovery and terminal
[22:37] <chance_> do you know a code to install the defaults or restore system?
[22:38] <peyam> xfwm4 --replace with alt+f2
[22:39] <chance_> write that in terminal??
[22:40] <peyam>  sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop  maybe?
[22:40] <peyam> I dont know if it works
[22:41] <holstein> thats the meta-package that pulls everything in, or should. assuming PPA's are not breaking things.. reinstallation usually takes about 8 mintes
[22:42] <chance_> nope just tried it
[22:42] <holstein> xubuntu-desktop is the metapackage.. i agree that that should work
[22:42] <holstein> chance_: tried what? and how?
[22:42] <holstein> and what are the errors?
[22:42] <chance_> i wrote sudo aptitude update && ..... so on
[22:43] <holstein> chance_: try this.. sudo apt-get update ..press return and see that you have no errors..
[22:43] <holstein> chance_: then, assuming that completed, run.. sudo apt-get install xubuntu-destop
[22:43] <holstein> report errors
[22:43] <chance_> no errors
[22:44] <chance_> okay
[22:45] <chance_> this looks like it will work; its reinstalling the things i deleted
[22:45] <peyam> yeah should work I think.. just a guess
[22:46] <chance_> thanks ahead of time, both of you
[22:46] <attrapereves> holstein, any other tips for getting the liveUSB to show anything past the splash screen? I'd really like to test it out before installing fully.
[22:47] <peyam> are you sure u make usb of right version? 64 or 86?
[22:47] <peyam> Well i gotta go sleep now. gnight
[22:47] <attrapereves> It's an AMD cpu, so I downloaded the 64 bit version.
[22:48] <chance_> didnt work after reboot.. the error i get is: "mountall: Plymouth command failed"
[22:49] <chance_> and under that it says "mountall: Disconnected from Plymouth"
[22:56] <chance_> can't find a fix for this Plymouth mess.
[23:15] <juan__> hi all, i dont know why but my system started w/out sound. how can i revert it and turn my sound on again?