[00:43] <sgclark> Riddell: you here?
[00:50] <ahoneybun_> hey sgclark
[00:50] <ahoneybun_> like a boss https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mp_X7fNmo0Q/UtMYoPMk7mI/AAAAAAAAEOM/Ly921pU0I3Q/w505-h263-no/BF4+C4+Jetpilot+v+Gunship.gif
[00:51] <sgclark> hey, hehe cool
[00:51] <ahoneybun_> amazing kinda makes me want to play
[00:52] <ahoneybun_> how are the translation tags sgclark
[00:53] <sgclark> the tags are fine, you (someone)  needs a translator account at this point to proceed.
[00:53] <sgclark> they need to mark the pages for translation
[00:54] <sgclark> I do not have the necessary skills to translate anything lol
[00:54] <sgclark> I have mentioned this in several places :(
[00:55] <sgclark> think I am still waiting for final iso contents for software page, or has that been decided?
[01:32] <ahoneybun_> I'm not sure about the software
[01:33] <ahoneybun_> and I don't have a translator account
[02:15] <ahoneybun_> hey valorie
[03:13] <ScottK> apachelogger: http://thebloggess.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/unnamed-9.jpg
[03:18] <apachelogger> fezes are cool
[03:20] <mamarley> Is there any chance of getting kde-workspace 4.11.5 in the Kubuntu KDE updates PPA for saucy?
[04:15] <apachelogger> why is it that the only test management software that is semi reasonable is apparently dead -.-
[05:23] <valorie> oops, I didn't set myself away
[05:28] <apachelogger> we totally need a web developer -.-
[05:33] <valorie> I will ask on the kub-user list
[05:33] <valorie> I think we have some possible webdevs in the wings
[06:04] <apachelogger> oho
[06:04] <apachelogger> I think I found something
[06:05]  * valorie hopes it is a fez
[06:07] <apachelogger> unfortunately not ^^
[06:07] <apachelogger> http://trac-hacks.org/wiki/TestManagerForTracPlugin
[06:19] <apachelogger> this is actually almost not terrible
[06:22] <apachelogger> still not quite what I want :/
[06:25] <valorie> you are thinking of a replacement for the Ubuntu testing center?
[06:26] <valorie> because I think that would be *great*
[06:35] <apachelogger> valorie: yes, well, something to do test management everywhere (kde also lacks that :/)
[06:36] <apachelogger> if people weren't so hung up on open source we'd totally use jira and have a plugin there :P
[06:36] <Tm_T> jira /:
[06:37] <apachelogger> jira is supreme!
[06:37] <Tm_T> if you say so
[06:39] <apachelogger> regardless, the topic isn't issue tracking anyway
[06:39] <apachelogger> but test tracking
[06:41] <apachelogger> there's soooooooooooo much test management software
[06:41] <apachelogger> all rubbish in my most humble opinion
[06:41] <valorie> I'm sure the ubuntu system is easier to use for Unity users
[06:41] <valorie> even still, sucks
[06:42] <apachelogger> valorie: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/ that thing?
[06:42] <apachelogger> or are you talking about something else?
[06:42] <valorie> yes
[06:42] <valorie> it's been difficult to use every time I've done it
[06:43] <valorie> you are talking more about the backend to that I imagine
[06:48] <apachelogger> valorie: nope, actually I am talking about the frontend
[06:48] <apachelogger> see my mail WRT test cases on the list from 2 weeks ago I think
[06:48] <valorie> ok, I'll re-read
[06:48] <apachelogger> we do not have people to assign shit to, so we must crowdsource testing
[06:49] <valorie> right
[06:49] <apachelogger> and you cannot do that if the software you use for case management is a) rubbish b) hard to use c) has shit that gets in the way
[06:50] <apachelogger> (although the present qatracker also isn't very nice from a backend pov - i.e. how one supplies test cases is write snippets of html then bzr commit that somewhere, propose for merge and get someone to review the proposal :S)
[06:50] <valorie> ugh
[06:51] <valorie> when you were saying we need a webdev, is this what you were talking about?
[06:51] <apachelogger> valorie: yes
[06:52] <valorie> do you think that sayakb could do what you need?
[06:52] <apachelogger> pretty much anyone with experience could do it
[06:52] <valorie> the one who did paste.ko and the SoK webapp
[06:52] <valorie> I will propose it to him then
[06:52] <valorie> seems like it would be excellent for KDE *and* us
[06:53] <apachelogger> yes
[06:53] <valorie> ugh, just noticed the time
[06:53] <valorie> he's probably already abed
[06:54] <valorie> I'll shoot him an email with some links and such, and cc you
[06:54] <apachelogger> FWIW just about all popular proprietary solutions to test management do more or less what we need, it's just the open source software that has piles of madness (the irony ...)
[06:54] <apachelogger> valorie: thx
[06:55] <valorie> I assume he'll have used some of the proprietary stuff
[06:57] <apachelogger> it's not rocket scienece eitherway... you have a project, a project contains cases and plans, plans contain cases of the project, a plan can be executed by a user, where executing is essentially tick [success][skipped][failed] for each step of each case in the plan
[06:58] <apachelogger> everything else is fancyness on top (use the test result data to draw graphs and stuff)
[06:58] <valorie> and we want it easy to use from the standpoint of adding and editing cases and plans, and those of the user/tester as well
[06:59]  * apachelogger however is only good at rocket science, so all is vain ^^
[06:59] <valorie> right, and analysis
[06:59] <apachelogger> the thing is, analysis et al is not even an integrated part the actual test management software
[07:00] <valorie> the one part I did really like about the qa site is the way they use your testbox information
[07:00] <valorie> or get it at least
[07:00] <apachelogger> you could just as well export all the data to a spreadsheet and do analysis/graphs/etc in libreoffice or something
[07:00] <valorie> is that useful for us?
[07:00] <apachelogger> well, no, I am just saying
[07:01] <valorie> I mean what I just mentioned; I think they call it a hardware profile or something
[07:01] <apachelogger> ah
[07:01] <apachelogger> maybe
[07:01] <valorie> so you can see if it was tested on an atom, etc.
[07:02] <apachelogger> usually you'd have different test plans for that
[07:02] <valorie> it's been too long since I tested much to recall exactly how it's plugged into the system
[07:03] <apachelogger> so to revise my original list of things you have: a project, a project contains target architectures and platforms and test cases and test plans, test plans target an arch/platform and consist of test cases ;)
[07:03] <valorie> cookies I think
[07:04] <apachelogger> more particular hardware information is mostly only useful for potential bug reports
[07:04] <valorie> I would imagine that KDE would have many if not most of the same wishes as us
[07:04] <apachelogger> valorie: yes
[07:06] <apachelogger> in fact, we would not even need it for much if KDE has sensible testing in place
[07:06] <apachelogger> I mean, we basically needed to test our own software and ISOs
[07:06] <valorie> right, but we could use our own instance for that
[07:06] <apachelogger> everything else ultimately ought to be tested upstream
[07:06] <apachelogger> valorie: certainly
[07:07] <soee> good morning
[07:07] <valorie> k, I will synthesize this discussion and write the email
[07:07] <apachelogger> what I meant to say was that for the limited use we have specifically for kubuntu we might just as well continue with the ubuntu tracker
[07:07] <apachelogger> what we really need stuff for is the pile of applications from upstream
[07:08] <apachelogger> morning soee
[07:08]  * apachelogger afks for breakfast
[07:20] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268844] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/libQtDBus.so.4.8' @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268844 (by hyper_ch)
[07:37] <valorie> sent
[08:22] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1198627] package libqt4-script 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0: unexpected end of file or stream @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1198627 (by jaya shankar singh)
[09:03] <jarkko_> guys i am unable to boot with ati 7870 on kde dsktop
[09:03] <jarkko_> desktop
[09:04] <jarkko_> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60879 that's not my report, but he has samekind of problem
[09:10] <apachelogger> ?
[10:33] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268899] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: попытка переза... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268899 (by Данил Тютюник)
[10:34] <lordievader> Are testers needed for KF5, and if so is Project Neon the best way to test it?
[10:36] <Riddell> sigh, fan error, my computer hates me today
[10:36] <Riddell> it's just some libraries, not much to test
[10:37] <Riddell> unless you're a coder
[10:37] <lordievader> I see, are there other higher priority things to test. Daily images of Trusty?
[10:38] <mitya57> shadeslayer: looks like these libqtdbus4 bugs are caused by our merge, I'll now fix that and we'll need another upload
[10:39] <Riddell> daily images good, l10n good, 4.11.5 in saucy good
[10:41] <Riddell> good to test I mean
[10:41] <Riddell> sorry am in a terse mood today as my laptop is broken and I'm making do with this windows machine
[10:42] <lordievader> Riddell: I understand that mood. Faced it myself too many times too. But thank you none the less :D
[10:43]  * Riddell goes to buy a new screwdriver
[10:43] <lordievader> A sonic screwdriver???
[10:46] <apachelogger> is there any other kind? Oo
[10:46] <lordievader> There shouldn't be, else someone fails.
[11:09] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:35] <soee> hiho BluesKaj 
[11:36] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:36] <apachelogger> http://i.imgur.com/H0EGnGx.png
[11:36] <apachelogger> something is astray
[11:37] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268690] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268690 (by dino99)
[11:37] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268923] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite "/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268923 (by Tobiasz Jarczyk)
[11:37] <apachelogger> mhh, plasma caching bug
[11:37] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:38] <apachelogger> oh we need kickoff migration
[11:38] <apachelogger> oh my oh my
[11:51] <lordievader> yofel: You needed testers for KDE 4.11.5 on Saucy right? I decided I could just as well use one of my Saucy machines for that, however it is running KDE 4.12 would this be a problem?
[12:11] <yofel> lordievader: well, that would only test workspace then (which might already be worth it)
[12:12] <yofel> I've gotten some positive feedback though so I think we're fine for now
[12:12] <yofel> I'll do the SRU upload this week, that'll need testing again then
[12:12] <lordievader> yofel: Oh ok, then I'll just leave the kde 4.12 install alone.
[12:14] <lordievader> Is it me or is one testcase for the iso missing? I don't see the unencrypted LVM anymore. (Is it assumed that if the encrypted version works that the unencrypted works too?)
[12:28] <yofel> now that was fun, I ran OOM and my system just rebooted @_@
[12:38] <lordievader> Hehe, did it kill init?
[12:43] <yofel> dunno, possibly :/
[12:45] <yofel> somehow swap sucks lately, it's usability ranges from kswapd running at 100%CPU to I/O spikes freezing the system for minutes
[12:57] <lordievader> Ugh, nasty.
[13:32] <shadeslayer> mitya57: thx
[13:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268690] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite '/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268690 (by dino99)
[13:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1268923] package libqtdbus4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite "/usr/li... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1268923 (by Tobiasz Jarczyk)
[13:56] <alvin> apachelogger: Do you have a bug number for that ugly sreenshot you posted here? If there's a solution I'll know some happy users.
[15:45] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1198627] package libqt4-script 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0: unexpected end of file or stream @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1198627 (by jaya shankar singh)
[15:47] <apachelogger> oh, trello ui changes
[15:51] <apachelogger> alvin: http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/plasma-devel/2013-May/025503.html
[15:52] <apachelogger> random note of the day: kde-workspace.postinst should touch the plasma theme metadata files to force a cache rebuild
[16:00] <sgclark> why would this statement in the rules file get mangled? export XDG_DATA_DIRS="$CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX/share/" it is removing the $C
[16:02] <Riddell> sgclark: a rules file is a Makefile which does its own variables
[16:02] <Riddell> I think to use an environment variable you need to use $(VAR)
[16:03] <sgclark> ok thank you
[16:50] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269059] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269059 (by Victor Steklov)
[16:51] <shadeslayer> silly people trying to use -proposed
[16:53] <tsimpson> there's bleeding edge, but using -proposed by default is just asking for trouble
[16:55] <genii> tsimpson: I think I remember getting a lecture from you about using -staging before at some point
[16:55] <tsimpson> could have been me, but I don't recall
[17:54] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1198627] package libqt4-script 4:4.8.4+dfsg-0: unexpected end of file or stream @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1198627 (by jaya shankar singh)
[19:19] <soee> hi, someone fixing trusty 4.12.1 ?
[20:49] <ahoneybun> are there any translators here?
[20:55] <sgclark> ahoneybun: Ovidiu has a translator account. dunno if they are on irc
[20:55] <ahoneybun> true
[20:55] <ahoneybun> he is
[20:56] <ahoneybun> but away at the moment I'll leave a ping
[20:56] <ahoneybun> ping ovidiu-florin can you mark the docs on userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu to let the translators start?
[20:57] <ahoneybun> lordievader: thanks for the review and good words! and you were a part of it as well
[21:02] <lordievader> ahoneybun: Hehe, true. But not so much in the part of getting it on the Userbase ;)
[21:04] <ahoneybun> I just emailed the list back about your issues lordievader ;)
[21:05] <ahoneybun> sgclark: ovidiu-florin just sent a email to the list about the translator account and he wants to know what he should do to get the pages ready
[21:06] <sgclark> ahoneybun: the pages are ready except software (waiting on final iso details)
[21:07] <ahoneybun> oh ok then I got it wrong but some say "This page contains changes which are not marked for translation."
[21:08] <sgclark> ahoneybun: actual marking of pages should be a link on the side
[21:08] <sgclark> that is because they are not marked
[21:08] <lordievader> ahoneybun: The way I thought about issue #1 was this: people scroll down and it would be convenient to have a back button there instead of having to scroll up again.
[21:08] <ahoneybun> lordievader: true
[21:09] <sgclark> lordievador: oh ok, I can add that
[21:09] <lordievader> sgclark: That would be lovely :)
[21:15] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: hello. How can I mark a page for translation?
[21:16] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: unfortunately I do not have a translator account so I don't know, I think it is a link on the right hand side
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: there is a start translating link
[21:17] <ovidiu-florin> but that leads to a list of pages to be translated
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> the only Kubuntu related page is http://userbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=page-Konversation%2FDistributions%2FKubuntu&language=ro
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> sorry
[21:18] <ovidiu-florin> http://userbase.kde.org/Konversation/Distributions/Kubuntu
[21:20] <sgclark> ovidiu-florin: I am going to email Yuri to help us, I will CC you.
[21:22] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[21:24] <ovidiu-florin> can you guys help me with choosing a licence for my mini project: https://github.com/ovidiub13/bmapp ?
[21:24] <sgclark> ok sent, in the mean time I will fix those issues
[21:25] <ovidiu-florin> basically I just want it to be open source, but in the future, once the project reaches a certaint level of maturity I want to split it in 2: comercial and community.
[21:26] <ovidiu-florin> they will both contain pretty much the same code. it's just that in the future I might want the possibility to be able to sell this application.
[21:30] <ahoneybun> Bryan Lunduke does that with his software (or did)
[21:30] <sgclark> any ninjas on for a question?
[21:35] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: ask away, and we'll see what we can do
[21:36] <sgclark> can't create symbols file, only .a files, no .so
[21:40] <apb1963> Does anyone know how to update Qt to a later version? Kubuntu 12.04.3, KDE 4.12.0, Qt 4.8.2
[21:42] <ovidiu-florin> apb1963: what part of Qt do you want to upgrade?
[21:43] <apb1963> The part that will stop the crashing.  Please reference: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=329793
[21:50] <ovidiu-florin> apb1963: you can try to install qt5
[21:51] <ovidiu-florin> but I'm not sure how that would solve the problem
[21:53] <apb1963> ovidiu-florin: I just want to update from 4.8.2 to 4.8.5 as was recommended in the bug "resolution"
[21:56] <sgclark> ok I got admin rights, am marking pages for translation now.
[21:57] <sgclark> ahoneybun ovidiu-florin ^^
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> apb1963: kubuntu version?
[21:58] <ovidiu-florin> sgclark: yeeey
[21:59] <ovidiu-florin> thank you
[22:09] <apb1963> ovidiu-florin: 12.0.3
[22:10] <apb1963> ovidiu-florin: 12.04.3
[22:10] <apb1963>  Kubuntu 12.04.3, KDE 4.12.0, Qt 4.8.2
[22:45] <ahoneybun> valorie: http://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu/ca
[22:51] <sgclark> oh cool translations are starting :)
[23:10] <apb1963> Does anyone know how to update Qt to a later version? Kubuntu 12.04.3, KDE 4.12.0, Qt 4.8.2
[23:12] <valorie> weeeee
[23:16] <valorie> thank you ahoneybun, sgclark, and ovidiu-florin!
[23:16] <valorie> I
[23:16] <valorie> haven't written to the translators yet since our pages weren't marked for translation
[23:16] <valorie> but once they are done, I will do that
[23:17] <sgclark> all of them are marked except software
[23:17] <sgclark> don't wait on that page
[23:17] <sgclark> translations are already starting to trickle in :)
[23:22] <valorie> cool, I'll write today then
[23:23] <sgclark> I am working on software now
[23:29] <valorie> I love our progress!