[00:17] <gewt> is there any quick way to override the PAE check with the installer that doesn't require another 600M download?
[00:19] <holstein> gewt: about half way down http://lubuntu.net/ , under system requirements. you'll see pae info, none of which i se require downloading 600M
[00:26] <gewt> so far i've seen: download 500M .img, install from a  600M .iso and upgrade
[00:27] <holstein> gewt: i read "download and start with the mini iso" thats 30m
[00:27] <holstein> gewt: also, the fake raid is quite small
[00:28] <gewt> okay, i wasn't seeing the 30M mini iso
[00:54] <flyback> how do I positively absolutely disable this roll up 1/2 way up the screen shit in the wm
[00:55] <flyback> cause it does NOT work correctely
[00:55] <flyback> err more than 1/4 up
[00:55] <flyback> the worst offender is hexchat/xchat but it does it to others as well
[01:36] <holstein> flyback: when is what happening? are you using compsiting?
[01:43] <flyback> when I just flip between stuff on taskbar
[01:43] <flyback> how do I check that
[01:45] <holstein> flyback: stuff? how do you flip between what? just clicking on icons on the taskbar?
[01:46] <ianorlin> I don't quite get what you mean by roll?
[01:48] <holstein> 12 roll?
[01:53] <flyback> the app is no longer maximized
[01:53] <flyback> it's like someone dragged the bottom up
[01:53] <flyback> and resized it
[01:56] <flyback> and then it gets stuck
[02:07] <ianorlin> how many monitors are you using and at what size?
[02:07] <ianorlin> and have you changed resolution recently?
[02:23] <flyback> one and no
[02:23] <flyback> ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:23] <flyback> it is a laptop hooked to external monitor
[02:23] <flyback> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[02:23] <flyback> oooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:23] <flyback> FUCK ME
[02:24] <Unit193> Dude, as I said before, watch the language.
[02:25] <flyback> SORRY i'm so senile at this point I probably asked already
[02:25] <flyback> it didn't even dawn on me it could see the internal lcd display as another monitor
[02:26] <flyback> and it's getting confused
[02:26] <flyback> well this unit is going away anyways
[02:28] <flyback> now it makes more damn sense
[02:28] <flyback> and the solution is to move to the other unit with the lcd physically removed
[02:31] <ianorlin> maybe try openbox --reconfigure if they are differnt sizes
[02:43] <flyback> na it's ok I was going to reload anyways
[02:43] <flyback> at least now I know wtf is going on
[02:56] <ianorlin> that is still langauge
[08:04] <hoijui> a short, high-level user experience report:
[08:04] <hoijui> i like the general idea, the desktop, the chosen applications, and how it works qutie well in general (lubuntu)
[08:04] <hoijui> i don't like:
[08:05] <hoijui> the default email client
[08:05] <hoijui> (though i don't know no good replacement)
[08:06] <hoijui> and i hate the WinME feeling i get, cause i have to supply my (sudo powers) password aaall the time
[08:06] <hoijui> and half of the times i have no idea why
[08:06] <hoijui> i gave up even trying to think of what it could be
[08:06] <hoijui> and i am thinking of changinig my password to 123
[08:07] <hoijui> cause it is so annoying otherwise
[08:07] <hoijui> i never had this problem so extremely with any windows system
[08:08] <hoijui> aehh linux system ;-)
[08:09] <hoijui> sometimes i get asked the password right after login, and when i want to change some network connection settings, i sometimes get prompted 3 times for a single change
[08:11] <hoijui> on my netbook, after startup, the power manager is not started by default
[08:12] <hoijui> so i don't see the battery state
[08:12] <hoijui> when i come back from suspend mode, it goes right back into suspend mode, after about 1 second or so
[08:13] <hoijui> comming back from that, it works fine
[08:14] <hoijui> last and most minor thing: the place  in the "status bar" that lets one switch between the two desktops is a solid grey, like the empty part of the bar
[08:15] <Foars> I'm not sure any of us here are developers.
[08:16] <Foars> Of Lubuntu. I may be wrong, but that's my guess.
[08:16] <hoijui> :D
[08:16] <hoijui> ok
[08:16] <hoijui> yeah.. well i know that .. if you want such things ot change, you had to go to website and file bugs and so on
[08:16] <hoijui> i am just too lazy right now
[08:16] <hoijui> or well.. in general, to report this
[08:16] <Foars> Right.
[08:17] <hoijui> just.. quite strange to me, all this
[08:17] <hoijui> most of it .. i woudl guess, could be fixed by using better default values
[08:18] <hoijui> like... obviously, a big share of users of lubuntu will be netbook users, so of course they want battery status
[08:18] <Unit193> Why on earth is it asking you that often?  Did you set the network config to system or something?  The suspend issue is strange as well, it'd make sense if you couldn't configure your settings in xfpm, but that's completely different.
[08:18] <hoijui> the older version i used, had it
[08:19] <hoijui> yeah.. also don;t know why it asks this much
[08:19] <Unit193> Normally it says what application is asking.
[08:19] <hoijui> yeah.. it might even do that
[08:20] <hoijui> it is just a such insignificant dialog, that always looks the same, and coems too often
[08:20] <hoijui> comes*
[08:21] <hoijui> i understand that it can make sense to always ask at least once for the password when changeing settings...
[08:21] <hoijui> but for most users it is just useless annoyance
[08:22] <hoijui> you know... how many times will it happen that a hacker gets on your machine while you are away, changes your network settings, to be able to sneak on you or soemthing
[08:22] <hoijui> maybe there is not a single thing where you actually need to do this
[08:23] <hoijui> but we bug millions of users with this shit, every time then connect to a new WiFi
[08:24] <hoijui> or when trying to get it to work
[08:24] <hoijui> in the ens, as said, users will change their password to 123
[08:24] <hoijui> and security is totalyl useless anyway
[08:24] <Unit193> Anywho, did you have a support question?
[08:26] <hoijui> nono.. sorry ;-)
[08:26] <Foars> Not many people add the nose in these days.
[08:29] <hoijui> hehe
[08:29] <hoijui> yeah, yeah, i know, i am old
[08:29] <hoijui> i even used WinME
[08:30] <hoijui> but you know.. bakc in my days
[08:30] <hoijui> we never would have dared to ask a user for his password
[08:31] <hoijui> now them young folks do it
[08:31] <hoijui> ... repeatedly!
[08:31] <Unit193> Ah, well this is the support channel, perhaps #lubuntu-offtopic or #ubuntu-offtopic might be more fitting.
[08:32] <hoijui> k
[08:42] <JohnDoe_71Rus> hoijui: WinME (Millennium) not to old :) Do you remember 3.11 оr 95?
[09:26] <Guest45243> Hey all, wondering if someone can help
[09:27] <Guest45243> i have just upgraded Lubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 which seemed to have worked
[09:28] <Guest45243> yet now when it boots, it just ends up with blank screen
[09:28] <Guest45243> i have an old amilo pro
[09:29] <Guest45243> that i am trying to get some sort of linux based os on so i can play about and start learning
[09:32] <Guest45243> i thought linux based os were sposed to be simple and very flexible yet i've had nothing but grief....and seriously how many help/support/forums does ubuntu need
[09:32] <Guest45243> hello anyone
[09:33] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you use closed or opensource drivers for the video?
[09:34] <Guest45243> opensource as far as i can tell, i am still new to this. thanks for replying though
[09:35] <JohnDoe_71Rus> you can try liveCD 12.10 to test
[09:37] <Guest45243> Ok, i will try that, but what would be the reason for 12.10 to install and then fail to boot fully, just so understand better what went wrong if anyhting?
[09:37] <Myrtti> 12.10?
[09:37] <Myrtti> oh right
[09:37] <Myrtti> nvm
[12:10] <user152> what is minimal pc settings for http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/13.10/release/lubuntu-13.10-desktop-i386.iso ?
[12:10] <user152> it's a link rome main page
[12:10] <user152> fom*
[12:10] <user152> from*
[14:48] <user152[afk]> parameters*
[18:19] <koell> hi can u explain me, why lubuntu  is so fu****** fast on shut down and start up?
[18:27] <koell> when i watch my teachers and friends at school, they all need 4x times more to shut down their win 7/8/mac than me :)
[18:29] <koell> btw does someone know how much ram the MATE desktop environment needs?
[18:52] <Ahmuck> i'm looking for a set of world clocks
[18:52] <Ahmuck> application for the desktop
[18:52] <Ahmuck> i need to keep track of mulitple times accross the globe
[19:03] <koell> Ahmuck: you may try tzwatch or gworldclock
[19:03] <koell> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/tzwatch
[19:05] <koell> watching now jono ubuntu on air! :D
[20:17] <StephenS> LEBUNTU
[20:17] <StephenS> this is LeBronUbuntu?
[20:17] <StephenS> hostage situation
[20:19] <wxl> StephenS: no, it's le. like french. it means "the buntu."
[20:20] <StephenS> let the guns talk
[22:42] <koell> any alternatives to firefox? its not very lightweight with 500 mb ram usage. does someone use midori?
[22:42] <ianorlin> I have a little it is ok
[22:43] <Unit193> I use firefox and xombrero, but xombrero isn't in the main repos.
[22:44] <wxl> i still use chromium ;)
[22:44] <holstein> midori is nice, but i usually use chrome
[22:44] <nannes> you can try some alternatives:
[22:44] <wxl> midori is, uh, weird
[22:44] <nannes> chromium does work but not very customizable
[22:45] <koell> but chrome sucks. ok not chrome itselft but its user interface.
[22:45] <nannes> midori works too, sometimes crashes with flash
[22:45] <wxl> not customizable?
[22:45] <nannes> qupzilla is very nice, also crashes a bit with flash
[22:45] <nannes> wxl: not as much as ff
[22:45] <nannes> and then
[22:45] <wxl> i love the chrome ui
[22:45] <nannes> 4
[22:45] <koell> is there no lightweight, maybe a webkit browser with gtk/gnome interface?
[22:45] <nannes> OPERA
[22:45] <wxl> oh noes
[22:45] <holstein> midori is nice and light
[22:45] <nannes> It is not free software unfortunately
[22:45] <nannes> but Opera is by far the best
[22:45] <nannes> really
[22:45] <koell> wxl: i love the chrome ui too. but it doesnt look native
[22:45] <wxl> koell: you mean gtk not gnome unless you want a lot of depends
[22:46] <holstein> i found opera to be quite fast, but i havent used it in linux in years
[22:46] <nannes> I tried it in a 1.6ghz processor (pentium) and 256mb ram
[22:46] <nannes> the best
[22:46] <nannes> better than chromium, midori and all
[22:46] <koell> lol
[22:46] <nannes> it's just NOT free as in freedom, nor open source
[22:46] <koell> i ll give it a try
[22:46] <wxl> apt-cache search webkit | grep -i gtk doesn
[22:46] <wxl> t give good results
[22:46] <wxl> i think xombrero is pretty fabulous
[22:47] <koell> does some one use text browsers in terminal? r they really usable?
[22:47] <nannes> mmm
[22:47] <nannes> in some cases, they can be useful and usable yes
[22:47] <nannes> they just don't support JS xD
[22:48] <wxl> w3m is awesome
[22:48] <wxl> with the right terminal (not lxterm, try urxvt) w3m-img package can even show inline images
[22:48] <koell> wxl: but not awesome enought to use it on a daily base
[22:48] <wxl> but yeah no js
[22:48] <wxl> if you need youtube, facebook, and the rest of the modern net, not that awesome
[22:49] <wxl> i wish. that would make my day. cacalabs should come out with an ncurses version of flash ;)
[22:49] <koell> wxl: i would really appreciate to use ncurses applications only. :D
[22:49] <wxl> koell: me too!
[22:50] <nannes> haha
[22:50] <nannes> your dream
[22:51] <koell> i wish all people use plain txt files and ncurses :D
[22:51] <koell> for a better world
[22:52] <wxl> yep
[22:52] <wxl> i can see it now
[22:53] <koell> wxl: whats ur fav ncurses app?
[22:57] <wxl> koell: while not my favorite, (i use bitlbee instead), i think finch is the best use of ncurses i've ever seen
[23:00] <holstein> wxl: what to you use bitlbee for?
[23:00] <wxl> holstein: IM
[23:01] <holstein> to pull that into irssi?
[23:01] <wxl> holstein: yep
[23:01] <wxl> holstein: though i still feel compelled to someday make the switch to weechat
[23:01] <holstein> i started on weechat and moved to irssi
[23:02] <wxl> i like the notion of being able to split in both directions
[23:02] <holstein> i just dont split.. but im on a netbook most of the time
[23:02] <wxl> that makes sense
[23:05] <koell> fck net