[01:15] <habanany> hey guys i havea question , i recently upgraded kernel to 3.13 rc5 , this is my question , releases candidate upgrade from one release to the next up through aptitude or have to be installed manually
[01:35] <holstein> habanany: where did you get the kernel?
[01:41] <habanany> linuxg.net
[01:41] <habanany> holstein ^^
[01:42] <habanany> holstein sorry , i dindt mean to send an smile
[01:42] <habanany> holstein i send ^ ^
[01:43] <holstein> habanany: you will maintain it manually. if you want packages to be maintained automaticaly through the package manager, you use repo packages, or ubuntu also supports adding sources with PPA
[01:46] <habanany> holstein i upgraded to 3.13 rc5 then i noticed there was another post of 3.13 rc6 so my question is , when i run sudo update sudo upgrade my kernel automatically upgrades or what ?
[01:46] <holstein> habanany: it depends on the sources.. and how they provide you upgrades. if you are intended to provide the uprgrades, then you will.. if a newer kernel were to come up in the stock packages, that would get installed
[01:47] <holstein> habanany: if you downloaded, and compiled your own kernel, you will do that each time
[01:49] <habanany> holstein thanks , i guess im gonna have to read more if i wnat to learn , i just like to experiment , thanks again
[02:07] <ThomasB> I restarted Unity and my global menu "indicator" and indicator applets are gone
[02:08] <ThomasB> Any way to restart them?
[02:12] <ThomasB> Doing killall unity-panel-service doesn't restore them, even though the panel comes back automatically
[03:44] <ThomasB> test
[03:57] <Beldar> ThomasB, Have you tried a logout or reboot, I have not heard of restarting or killing unity.
[03:57] <ThomasB> Yeah, I just restarted
[03:58] <Beldar> ThomasB, How about the reboot?
[03:58] <ThomasB> that's what i mean my bad
[03:58] <ThomasB> I rebooted
[03:58] <ThomasB> and it worked
[03:59] <Beldar> ThomasB, Cool, what was the original issue?
[03:59] <ThomasB> No clue
[03:59] <ThomasB> oh
[03:59] <ThomasB> there weren't any indicators
[03:59] <ThomasB> but I don't know why
[04:00] <Beldar> ThomasB, Ah, generally a unity or compix reset is what I would suggest on releases where the instructions are available.
[04:00] <Beldar> compiz*
[05:56] <hyper_ch> trying to get latest updates and having a problem here:  http://paste.debian.net/76085/
[06:08] <pero> i just installed mupdf via apt but i dont see an icon for it anywhere nor does anything happen if i try to open 'mupdf' from Run Program in the xfce menu
[10:27] <ghostcube> any infos for updating according to these bug?
[10:27] <ghostcube> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdeconnect-kde/+bug/1256542
[11:09] <BluesKaj> howdy all
[11:43] <bazhang> !info mugshot
[11:57] <brainwash> bazhang: mugshot will be added soon
[12:03] <bazhang> the only mugshot  I see is in gnumed-server
[12:19] <brainwash> bazhang: currently you still have to use the stable or daily PPA
[12:37] <steve_fi> does anyone know if the kernel 3.13 thats greater than rc1 has been added to the daily trusty image yet?
[12:43] <BluesKaj> steve_fi, it should be, it came down the pipe in an upgrade yesterday
[12:44] <steve_fi> BluesKaj, thanks!
[13:16] <ghostcube> ii  linux-image-3.13.0-2-generic          3.13.0-2.17  updated today
[16:01] <lfaraone> My external monitor randomly goes to sleep on 3.12.0-7-generic , only to come back up when I switch to vt0. Sometimes when I switch back to the GNOME vt the monitor stays on, but after a few times doing this it eventually stays off. I have sandybridge integrated graphics on my Lenovo X220. Is there a good way for me to debug this?
[17:25] <ironhalik> I'm wondering - what are the main planned features in 14.04? Besides things in 3.12 kernel
[17:26] <ironhalik> I know it's kinda early, but I can't find any decent article on the big things
[17:26] <ironhalik> everyone seems to write about TRIM support, as if it was a new thing :P
[17:32] <genii> ironhalik: As I understand, a delta-based diff system for updates as well. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ImageBasedUpgrades
[17:49] <ironhalik> hmm, looks neat
[17:50] <ironhalik> but it seems like its more aimed at ubuntu touch
[17:50] <ironhalik> still, could be great for OEM installs, with a 'return to stock' button
[17:53] <ironhalik> I thought it's more like fedoras presto
[18:09] <pgnome> hi, does anyone use gnome and have an external drive?
[18:09] <elhoir> hello all - i have a serious problem with Ubuntu 14.04 and my laptop - it freezes, and when rebooting, kernel "panics" when loading AMD CPU microcodes
[18:09] <elhoir> this does not happen in my desktop PC
[18:09] <elhoir> so i mnot sure its an Ubuntu problem or a hardware problem
[18:10] <elhoir> any clue?
[18:10] <pgnome> what laptop is it?
[18:10] <pgnome> which ver. of Ubuntu 14.04?
[18:11] <elhoir> laptop - ASUS k50AF - 4 GB DDR2 RAM - 4500 HD Raden GPU - AMD Turion II M520 CPU
[18:11] <elhoir> yes, ubuntu 14.04
[18:11] <pgnome> amd64 ver of 14.04?
[18:11] <elhoir> yup
[18:12] <pgnome> oh, thought maybe the laptop can't run 64 bit
[18:13] <elhoir> pgnome: nope, i have been using 64bit for a long time ^^
[18:14] <elhoir> i thought it was a heat problem, but las time i tested - this morning - CPU was almost idle, just watching a Youtube video
[18:15] <elhoir> sound begun looping, i had to reboot via power button (and it rebooted, so Ubuntu wasnt really frozen),
[18:15] <genii> !info amd64-microcode
[18:15] <elhoir> and then kernel got "panic"
[18:16] <elhoir> genii: IIRC i installed that package....
[18:16] <pgnome> can you boot up live dvd?
[18:16] <elhoir> pgnome: havent tried
[18:16] <pgnome> if it still has the panic, then it could be hardware, I would guess
[18:17] <genii> elhoir: Is the cpu overclocked?
[18:17] <elhoir> genii: nop
[18:17] <pgnome> has it worked before ?
[18:17] <elhoir> pgnome: yes it did
[18:17] <pgnome> also, your laptop looks like it has the amd radeon chip
[18:17] <pgnome> did you change any graphics drivers?
[18:18] <elhoir> pgnome: i use the open source radeon driver
[18:18] <elhoir> i used to use the fglrx-legacy from makson96`s PPA
[18:18] <elhoir> but its no longer supported so i switched to open source radeon
[18:20] <pgnome> how soon was that?
[18:20] <elhoir> not very soon.... before upgrading to 14.04 iirc
[18:20] <pgnome> just trying to determine whether there is any possibility of a software problem - I'm probably wrong or on the wrong track
[18:21] <pgnome> I would try a live DVD to see if the problem still happens
[18:21] <elhoir> this does not happen in my desktop PC ---- Intel i3 @ 2.93 GHz -- 8 GB DDR3 RAM -- AMD HD 6570
[18:21] <pgnome> 13.10 or 14.04 - if hardware prob, I think it'd still happen?
[18:22] <elhoir> and, it doesnt happen as well if i use Windows
[18:22] <elhoir> (7 64bit)
[18:22] <elhoir> but it still might be a hardware problem
[18:22] <pgnome> Windows 7 is on the laptop, too?
[18:22] <elhoir> pgnome: yes
[18:23] <pgnome> check the temps and indicators for your cpu, maybe?
[18:23] <pgnome> but, if it was hardware, windows 7 would maybe blue screen but it's working for you, right?
[18:24] <pgnome> sorry, I have no other ideas :(
[18:24] <elhoir> i did, but this morning sensors were showing about 70ºC for the CPU when it roze
[18:24] <elhoir> froze*
[18:24] <elhoir> better
[18:24] <elhoir> when sound began looping
[18:24] <elhoir> (as i said, i was able to reboot, so ubuntu wasnt frozen)
[18:26] <elhoir> so you would recommend me to bring laptop to some technician?
[18:26] <pgnome> if you can boot, I'd make sure  lm-sensors is installed and run 'sensors'
[18:26] <pgnome> or use a live dvd and see if it boots - if so, run it there
[18:27] <elhoir> pgnome: its installed, for sure
[18:27] <pgnome> you could try though - see what temps it shows
[18:27] <pgnome> in ubuntu
[18:27] <elhoir> what shold be normal emps?
[18:27] <elhoir> temps*
[18:27] <elhoir> oh god
[18:27] <elhoir> what sould be normal temps?
[18:28] <elhoir> should*  (f**k....)
[18:37] <pgnome> I'd guess 100 is max. temp so it's a bit high when it was 70
[18:38] <pgnome> oh, up to 95 - I read
[18:38] <genii> AMD make good space heaters
[18:40] <pgnome> it's easier to have ok cooling in desktops
[18:41] <pgnome> I don't know what he's doing with it but I would run the temps/sensors program with nothing else running and see what the output is
[18:46] <TJ-> elhoir: 70C is hot ... I've dealt with that situation many times... my guess is the cooling radiator in the laptop has become blocked by dust and fluff. Quickest solution, if the laptop allows it, is to remove the bottom cover that is over the CPU/GPU and heatsink fan, remove the heatsink/fan and blow it out with compressed air or otherwise gently remove any blockages. I'd also apply fresh thermal paste to the heatsink before refitting. That'll usually drop the
[18:46] <TJ-> operating temperature 10C or more.
[18:48] <elhoir> i will bring laptop to some technician ..... i ´d do it myseld if it were the desktop PC, but not the laptop....
[18:48] <elhoir> TJ-: laptop have reached 90ºC and more some times
[18:48] <elhoir> of course, it freezes
[18:48] <elhoir> but its not the case now
[18:49] <TJ-> elhoir: overheats is a better description!
[18:49] <elhoir> yeah
[18:49] <elhoir> but its not the case now, it became unuseable even at 70ºC :(
[18:50] <TJ-> elhoir: Another option you could try is to re-seat the memory modules. They can become very slightly resistive on the connections... a firm remove and reset will often solve weird crashes.
[18:50] <elhoir> aha
[18:51] <elhoir> i have to buy this fan http://www.pccomponentes.com/tacens_optimus_netbook_cooler_hasta_15_4_.html
[18:51] <elhoir> had*
[18:51] <elhoir> because i know laptop overheats
[18:51] <elhoir> but today... it wasnt overheated, for sure
[18:52] <elhoir> and also it "freezes" even while fan is plugged in
[18:52] <elhoir> :(
[18:54] <elhoir> its very frustrating
[18:55] <TJ-> elhoir: Don't dismiss overheating entirely... very small local hot-spots can occur if the thermal paste has deteriorated.
[18:56] <elhoir> TJ-: i dont, but the problem is much more often when using Ubuntu Linux (almost always) than when using Windows 7 (almost never, it happened few times too, through)
[18:59] <TJ-> elhoir: OK... something to consider is how well the ACPI is being interpreted/used by Linux... The ACPI DSDT describes the motherboard devices and how to control them. It used to be quite common that bad DSDT installed by the manufacturer would cause this kind of issue on Linux but not on Windows, since the manufacturers write custom drivers for Windows, whereas Linux has to rely on the ACPI DSDT
[19:00] <elhoir> how can i test it?
[19:02] <TJ-> elhoir: Rule out all other possibilities ... ACPI can be a minefield. Ubuntu used to carry patches to allow a custom DSDT be loaded into the kernel, to fix such issues, but I don't know if that is still possible
[19:02] <elhoir> another thing - i have been using BOINC for a time, (not very long, through)
[19:02] <TJ-> elhoir: I've rewritten a few DSDTs to fix manufacturer bugs
[19:03] <elhoir> and, when using BOINC, issues started,
[19:03] <elhoir> i thought it was due to heat problems
[19:03] <elhoir> (BOINC rises CPU usage to 100%)
[19:04] <elhoir> but now im not using BOINC anymore because of it, and it crashes too :(
[19:05] <elhoir> TJ-: and... if its an ACPI issue... what can i do?
[19:10] <TJ-> elhoir: Not a lot, unfortunately
[19:10] <elhoir> :(
[19:21] <elhoir> well i will contact  with some technicians..... will report to you
[19:21] <elhoir> thank you guys
[21:45] <pgnome> TJ-, you there?
[21:48] <TJ-> only just :)
[21:57] <pgnome> oh, I was only going to ask if you ever use an external drive with trusty
[21:58] <TJ-> I've been using it on a server with multiple disks on various interfaces