=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [01:04] popey: are you really sure ubuntu touch doesn't use any android userland? so, for example, you're using ofono directly against the hardware, and not RIL? [01:06] diddledan: i think the main point is that even though you can build all the components and run them without android, you can't do it on any real phone that exists today [01:07] at least not if you want it to work as a phone [01:11] diddledan: if you want to really troll that thread, reply to david stating the following answers to his questions: 1. my lenovo ideapad 2. none, because there is no android version for it, 3. no, because no such cable exists for x86 PCs, 4. trusty, 5. the version from trusty [01:14] ali1234: maybe some bits, i meant not what people usually mean by android - the dalvik bits [06:50] morning all [07:09] allo allo [07:44] morning everyone [07:48] morning dwatkins knightwise [07:51] \o [07:53] hey guys , how are you all doing today [08:00] yeah ok thanks, what about yourself. [08:07] doin ok :) [08:07] managed to get my plex server working just the way I want it to .. thus liberatin me from the burdens of iTunes [08:10] Still need to pick my client side music player [08:10] clementine or banshee , not quite sure [08:14] what's up with rhythmbox, I quite like that [08:14] ah .. i could have a look at that too [08:14] I've been switching between rb and banshee [08:15] they tend to alternate breakage [08:15] Cool , looks ok too. [08:15] banshee is a bit "busy" on the ui side [08:17] i"m thinking of putting elementary on my wife's imac [08:18] but the distro is based on the "standard" amd64 bit distro of Ubuntu 12.04 [08:18] and not on the AMD64-MAC version [08:18] so i'm a littel worried that this will cause the iMac to run hot [08:27] why? [08:28] isn't the only difference between the "amd64" and "amd64-mac" versions the boot mechanism? [08:30] I'm not sure [08:30] i"ve had experiences where, when you take the "non mac" distro on a mac it grows HOT [08:31] and when you take the AMD-64-MAC edition it's fine [08:31] that's probably just a package then [08:31] which you can install separately [08:33] I was thinking about just choosing the 32 bit version , but I have over 4 gigs of ram in that machine so ... [08:33] but i'm afraid ubuntu and unity are gonna make the machine slugish ... [09:28] watched sherlock. very OTT. i realise that moffat does silly episodes on the middle and last episodes of a series (cf. dr who). being a 3 episode series, it was unfortunate [09:32] I still can't believe the US version of Sherlock has 24 episodes per season compared to our 3. [09:32] lol! [09:32] any english actors? [09:32] I doubt it, foobarry. [09:37] Good morning all; happy Poetry At Work Day! :-D [09:37] dwatkins: are each of the US episodes 1h 30m long? [09:37] foobarry: sure, Jonny Lee Miller and this season Rhys Ifans [09:38] bigcalm: fair point, probably not [09:38] (not on every episode, mind you) [09:38] and each us episode doesn't glue as firmly to others as the uk ones [09:38] i won't be watching. american tv gives me bellyache at best of times [09:39] it's an ok series, better than most of them [09:39] dwatkins: are you on about elemetary? [09:39] MooDoo: probably [09:39] I happily watch both [09:39] Myrtti: yeah it is, sorry didn't see jonny lee miller lol [09:40] dwatkins: I really like Elementary [09:40] Good show [09:40] bigcalm: Hour long ( well with adverts so closer to 40/45 mins probably ) [09:51] Laptop has made it to "In Production". Woop. Wonder how many days it'll stay there [09:51] lol [09:51] morning [09:51] bigcalm: which one did you get eventually? [09:52] Myrtti: http://www.dell.com/uk/p/inspiron-15-7537/pd?oc=cn75305&model_id=inspiron-15-7537 [09:53] D is looking for a new laptop but is almost militantly against Dells :-/ [09:54] why? build quality has improved a lot, especially in the top-of-the-line model [09:54] s [09:55] I don't get it myself either, I like Dells [10:03] had v good experience at home and in enterprise with business dells [10:03] over 15 years working with them [10:03] excluding the nvidia debacle that affected all vendors [10:03] I hope Ubuntu works out of the box on this new laptop [10:05] it's always a gamble with new hardware [10:08] IMHO all new laptops should have an Ubuntu preinstall option [10:08] 1st anniversary of losing my dad today. plus my sons birthday. talk about mixed feelings :S [10:13] foobarry: Really? Dell screens fail pretty quickly IME. They get this weird "ring" kind of effect. [10:14] Which is odd and Dell desktop screens are pretty awesome. [10:14] s/and/as [10:14] TwistedLucidity: the ring effect is from pushing too hard on the outer case. was common with old inspiron models [10:15] don't put things on top of laptops [10:16] or buy laptops with more rigid backs of screens [10:16] foobarry: That's what we used, Inspirons. Not sure what they use now. I'm not important enough to have a laptop and am not in the office any more [10:16] MartijnVdS: I don't. [10:17] BigRedS: That'd be Apple and we don't support OS X. [10:18] my mbp has a small glowing area, i think someone left a pen in the laptop and shut it [10:19] Even ThinkPads seems to have poor screens these days - although I've no clapped eye on the new T?40 models [10:19] foobarry: hang in there - I know I'll forever dread and hate last four days of June myself [10:19] popey: They should have the web cam act as a proximity sensor and sound an alarm on close if an object is in the way. [10:20] bigcalm: you have snow!? [10:20] popey: we have indeed, quite a surprise [10:21] bigcalm: where are you? the North Pole? [10:21] hmmh, bigcalm = Santa ? [10:21] MartijnVdS: if I was, snow would be less of a surprise [10:21] DJones: my wife won't let me grow the beard [10:23] bigcalm: show her http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GrowingTheBeard [10:23] bigcalm: "Growing the Beard is the definitive moment when a television series begins to become noticeably better in quality" [10:24] MartijnVdS: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigcuthy/sets/72157606644018228/ [10:25] bigcalm: it grows backwards?! [10:25] or is it all "slightly more shaved", starting from the beginning with a full beard? [10:26] ... [10:26] I'll let you decide :) [10:26] bigcalm: O dpm [10:26] blah [10:26] I don't know how your hair grows! [10:26] Heh [10:27] Annoyed that the batteries in the flash were dead of the last shot [10:27] s/of/for [10:31] ended up getting a fifth email from linkedin yesterday. thats the nail in the coffin [10:32] TwistedLucidity: my thinkpad seems to do okay [10:32] the screen's one of the few bits I've not yet replaced [10:32] foobarry: you know you can just turn those off? [10:32] BigRedS: Got a T430 and whilst the screen is bareable, it's no IPS. [10:32] *bearable [10:33] And not even close to the g/f's MBP. [10:33] nah, but mbps don't have nipples [10:33] BigRedS: gonna have a look. i have a secret stalker account that some settings mysteriously enabled themselves, causing much embarrasment [10:34] BigRedS: Yup, that is a good feature but not as important as the screen. I can't switch to IPS, but there are better Lenovo screens that can be used. Might give modding a bit og a go. [10:35] I thought your issue was screens breaking [10:36] morning all. [10:36] BigRedS: Use to be the case in the office - pretty sure they stopped using Dells now. [10:36] I know we dropped them for desktops after they kept failing. [10:41] TwistedLucidity: where I worked, they always failed inside warranty, so we had Dell engineers to fix them almost every week 8-) [10:46] i wish I had pushed back on dell when my xps failed a few years back [10:47] hey ho, happy with my thinkpad now [10:48] popey: BigRedS: You got a fingerprint reader on yours? [10:48] yeah, but it's not plugged in [10:48] on my thinkpad? yes [10:48] but I never use it [10:48] every second kernel upgrade seemed to make a blindingly bright LED stay on permanently [10:48] sharpie [10:48] so one time I took it apart I just didn't plug it back in [10:49] popey: Ah, I was going to ask if it worked. Mine scans, says it has my print but then doesn't manage to identify [10:49] fingerprint readers for auth on laptops has long seemed like a ridiculous idea to me anyway [10:49] it has an LED? [10:49] BigRedS: The light only comes on when the pad is enabled and that should only happen if the scanner package is installed and running [10:49] They're right next to about 100 copies of an imprint of your fingerprint [10:49] popey: Aye, glows green I think [10:50] TwistedLucidity: mine always came on when X did [10:50] fancy [10:50] popey: mine's the one before yours IIRC; X201 [10:50] i enabled it when i first got the laptop then realised it was silly so disabled it [10:50] popey: Yeah, I know it isn't the best idea in the world - just wanted to see if it worked. [10:51] yeah, works [10:51] well, worked when I tried it ☻ [10:51] mine never did :) [10:51] But I think I only tried it in Debian [10:54] About the only thing it doesn't do, which would be nice, is enable/disable the various radios from CLI/DE. Although I'll admit, I haven't looked too hard into it as the Function Key combos seem to work. [10:59] Morning all [11:01] Morning davmor2 [11:01] Wonder if my new laptop will arrive before the next LUG [11:06] * DJones wonders whether to look at the person who accepted a facebook request from an account supposedly using our enquiries@ email account [11:07] bigcalm: I wonder if my n4 will [11:08] Yay toys! [11:08] bigcalm: work toy for me as they are drop maguro and the old n7 which are the two devices I happen to have :D [11:09] s/drop/dropping [11:09] So they are buying you toys rather than you having to pay I hope [11:10] davmor2: is your toy being shipped from China? [11:11] bigcalm: no idea just the cheapest on the interwebz that I could find, still a whole £2 more than Google were selling them off for though :( [11:13] my kobo arrived \o/ [11:13] nice rubberised backing [11:13] * foobarry puts it back in the box until birthday [11:16] sounds similar to the nook which also has a rubberised backing [11:17] oops [11:17] popey: did you ask me about a backport? [11:18] I saw the highlight and then forgot to reply and then forgot what it was about in particular [11:18] http://www.computershopper.com/var/ezwebin_site/storage/images/media/images/kobo-back/632309-1-eng-US/kobo-back_large.jpg+ [11:18] i did [11:18] mumble [11:18] * Laney spins around in circles [11:18] 1.2.4 [11:18] sort of diamondy textured rubber [11:18] first step: file the request, second step: someone check it works, third step: it gets uploaded [11:18] bigcalm: looked on EBAY and the bids there were 236 - 320 for the n4 and then the lower spec one was in at 168+ so typed it into the dash and amazon had one for 201, dash to the rescue \o/ woohoo! :) [11:19] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBackports [11:21] kk [11:41] how do i insert a reference in a LO writer doc, like a vmware official doc [1] says "meh" [11:48] * TwistedLucidity blames davmor2 for putting N4 thoughts into his head [11:51] TwistedLucidity: I blame bigcalm wishing his laptop would arrive [11:52] I blame my lack of decent laptop and am rather impatient [11:53] Uhoh! School inspection starts next week. [11:53] wifey will be fun to live with that week. [11:53] bigcalm: I was going to say you are the same when you order a pen and I know you have plenty of decent pens :P [11:53] davmor2: except that I buy pens direct from high street shops [11:54] popey: you mean this week and next week, This week preping, next week doing :) [11:54] true [11:54] popey: lavender scented baths for when she comes home ;) [11:55] and wine, flowers [11:56] all my pens come from tech shows [11:56] heh [11:59] sleeping pills in the wine? :P [12:02] http://smstextblog.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/raspi-sat-nav.html?m=1 [12:02] interessin === alan_g is now known as alan_g|afk [12:30] how can a rasb pi be powered? using a phone charger? using a laptop also? [12:31] foobarry: laptop might work, but 500mA isn't a lot and it might be unstable [12:31] foobarry: 1A or 1.5A phone charger is your best bet [12:31] bah, have to wait till tomorrow then [12:31] left phone charger at hoem [12:36] mine works fine via laptop usb [12:36] for the pi itself, only becomes unstable if you plug usb wifi adapters and stuff into it [12:36] great, i'll try via my desktop [12:37] i wanna run risc os, so no wifi req'd [12:37] mine is an old pi though, original B1 model i think [12:39] Hey, can anyone recommend a good UK hosting company? [12:39] the one with less mem? [12:39] AlexDSX: hosting what? [12:39] I've got three of those [12:39] PHP websites, mostly WordPress, some CI projects. [12:39] AlexDSX: so, VPSes basically? [12:40] annoying that they increased the mem after I bought them [12:40] Would be looking for dedicated or VPS to host multiple sites on [12:40] bitfolk! [12:40] http://bitfolk.com/ [12:40] or #bitfolk on irc.lug.org.uk [12:40] Just having a look :) [12:40] there's also bytemark, which is very open source friendly :) [12:40] i have had a vps from them for uhm... years [12:41] since 2006 maybe [12:41] I'm a Developer at a marketing company, so we're looking for a new host. [12:41] Thanks for all the suggestions, just trying to read them all. [12:41] I'm so used to US hosts like hostgator and media temple etc which I love. [12:42] i don't know why people bother with VPS these days when dedicated servers are so cheat [12:43] hetzner dedicated servers are ubercheap [12:43] getting an equivalent system in blighty as I can get from hetzner would cost me nearly double [12:44] A retired police officer shot dead a fellow cinemagoer in Florida in an argument over texting, police say. [12:44] I just have a server at home, but then my needs are modest [12:44] Ex-officer Curtis Reeves, 71, opened fire after asking a man sitting directly in front of him to stop texting several times, a Pasco County Sheriff spokesman said. [12:44] who takes a gun to the cinema? [12:44] americans [12:45] dumb americans [12:45] i seehow it happens. when people sit in their car outside beeping their horn at 12 midnight, i feel the urge to shoot people [12:45] foobarry: you would too if you were worried about damned text-addicts [12:45] Do dedicated servers normally come with cpanel? [12:45] 71?? [12:45] especially when they set off massive fireworks in the middle of the night for no reason, waking the whole dog/baby up [12:45] AlexDSX: not realy unless you purchase it at the same time [12:46] cpanel = cpanel.net ?? or a generic control panel? [12:46] * TheOpenSourcerer has 5 dedicated servers at Hetzner. [12:46] So generally with dedicated you'd get your basic platform setup, i.e. linux, apache etc. Then it's up to you to install cpanel [12:46] I mean cpanel, not generic. [12:47] AlexDSX: Most hosting providers have options to use cpanel (or one of its competitors) at install time [12:47] Don't use Cpanel or Plesk - hate it. [12:47] TheOpenSourcerer: I've only got one but it's a beast [12:47] what MartijnVdS saif [12:47] me too on the cpanel/plesk hating [12:47] TheOpenSourcerer what do you recommend? [12:47] yeah, cpanel is something people only use when they have no choice, because they bought shared hosting [12:47] We have one customer who has 7 VPS with us and ech of those runs CPanel. [12:47] TheOpenSourcerer I'm no a fan of Plesk at all, but being quite comfortable with cpanel. [12:47] - lol [12:47] I like cpanel, hate plesk [12:47] I dislike all of them. [12:48] TheOpenSourcerer So what do you use? [12:48] nothing. [12:48] * diddledan hides in shame, but I have a soft spot for virtualmin from webmin guys [12:48] Command line and KVM [12:48] I don't use it tho [12:48] AlexDSX: you only generally need cpanel if you don't know how to setup everything manually [12:48] i love it when web designers ask me for "the cpanel login so i can upload the files" [12:49] cpanel is a convenience. [12:49] cpanel is an annoyance [12:49] name a vegetable I probably haven't eaten recently that I should try [12:49] Kol Rabi [12:49] (can you tell I'm doing the online grocery shopping) [12:49] popey: fennel [12:49] fenugreek [12:49] popey: ^^ [12:49] pak choi [12:49] whats kol rabi? [12:49] Fenugreek is a herb [12:50] what's fennel? [12:50] ooh, some good suggestions giving me ideas, thanks chaps! that was easy [12:50] Spelt it wrong: http://www.bbcgoodfood.com/glossary/kohlrabi [12:50] keep going tho [12:50] popey: As a good citizen you should also try for UK grown and preferably seasonal only. [12:50] celeriac [12:50] popey: Enokitake [12:50] Edoes [12:50] sugru [12:50] foobarry: this is fennel: http://leighcourtfarm.org.uk/uploads/images/fennel-bulb.jpg [12:51] popey: Romanesco [12:51] Mooli [12:51] diddledan: but what is it classified as? [12:51] diddledan: Venkel! [12:51] foobarry: green [12:51] DJones: Good call! That's awaesome [12:51] hah, sugru [12:51] bit chewy [12:51] Sweet Potatoes [12:51] oh no, not chewy anymore [12:51] HELP! MY MOUTH! [12:51] Butternut Squash [12:51] ooh, good call, rarely have sweet potatoes [12:51] popey: at least you won't need fillings [12:51] sweet spuds are awesoem [12:52] +1 [12:52] Purple Sprouting Brocolli [12:52] Mash of swede and normal potato with nutmeg and pepper = teh tasty [12:52] Turnips! [12:52] I want to make some now [12:52] ever eaten pickled white asparagus? yum [12:52] popey: Plantain [12:52] davmor2: Isn't that a fruit? [12:52] plantains don't appeal to me [12:53] I'd like to try that sometime [12:53] they look like poor-mans nana [12:53] maybe with some jerk chicken [12:53] TheOpenSourcerer: the first was technically a fungi [12:53] popey: black pea and bacon iirc for Plantain [12:53] Never heard of that one before ;-) [12:54] My favourite veg: Leeks! [12:54] ooh! [12:54] good call [12:54] love leeks [12:54] TheOpenSourcerer: don't let your chilis hear you say that [12:54] TheOpenSourcerer: so.. leekspin.com? [12:55] popey: I guess you're overbudget this week on shopping, now? :-p [12:55] Sliced lengthways, put in a roasting dish with a glass of white wine sprinkle with some pine kernels and grated cheese, cover with foil cook in over for 1/2hr or so. [12:55] Just about perfect [12:57] davmor2: https://plus.google.com/u/0/+AlanLord/posts/7ysJbZ3JMrL [12:57] popey: http://www.foodnetwork.co.uk/recipes/plantain-mash-bacon.html?omnisource=gid_uk [12:58] bacon! [12:58] popey: told you plantian went with black pea or bacon [12:59] popey: jerk chicken is more a side to curried goat and peas and rice :) [13:00] popey: http://izismile.com/2014/01/09/the_intricate_process_of_making_sriracha_23_gifs.html [13:02] there's a shortage isnt there?> [13:02] some issue with their factor in SFO [13:02] (i have run out) [13:03] There was some dispute in CA where they said he had to shutdown due to the smells (lol). But from what I heard it was end-of-season anyway and made no difference. [13:04] ah [13:04] But yes, on Amazon it appears to be out of stock. [13:05] http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sriracha-Hot-Chili-Sauce-482/dp/B0002PSOJW/ref=pd_sim_grocery_2 << This one isn't [13:05] TheOpenSourcerer: there was a fire in a Sriracha factory too earlier this year [13:05] Oh - was that before or after the move? [13:07] TheOpenSourcerer: no idea [13:14] rpi's just turn on wwhen power is connected? [13:14] yes [13:16] hmm [13:16] but you need a properly laid-out SD card for it to actually *do* anything :) [13:17] and maybe the hdmi->dvi adapter doesn't work with it [13:17] foobarry: it should === roht is now known as wadzi === alan_g|afk is now known as alan_g [13:40] wow. riscos boots in mere seconds :_ [13:41] nostalgia overload [13:43] I played Elite on my Raspberry Pi under RISC OS, hours of fun. [13:44] I also had fun writing BASIC programs to draw triangles, and wondered what they did to mess up the mode numbers. [13:45] Eben was very keen that the pi would be a "BBC Micro" [13:45] shame that didnt initially pan out [13:45] Model A vs Model B, shame they didn't call the Model B with more RAM the Model B+ [13:46] there's lots of models [13:46] B1, B1+, B2, A [13:46] ah ok. what were they hoping to do? something like the school programme in the 1980s with the beeb? [13:46] Micro Live etc. [13:46] dunno [13:46] would have been neat [13:47] what's the diff between b1+ and b2? [13:47] mounting holes I think [13:47] http://raspberryalphaomega.org.uk/2013/02/06/automatic-raspberry-pi-board-revision-detection-model-a-b1-and-b2/ [13:47] that gives you the full diff [13:48] ta [13:49] o_O there's B2 and B2 (rev2)? [13:52] B2 or not B2.... [13:52] ...that is the question [13:52] I'll get my coat. [13:53] oh was the B2 the board layout that got mass-produced and the rev2 was just the swap-out of the ram chip therefore not needing a board id change? [13:53] hi all [13:57] http://i.imgur.com/I5a0apc.jpg sooo much nostalgia [13:58] so fast aswell [13:58] i thougt the ram was piggy backed on the cpu [13:58] popey: it is soldered on top of it [13:58] popey: it is [13:59] known as a POP [14:01] https://vimeo.com/hnlondon watched that the other day, Eben talking about the history of the pi [14:01] some nice little stories in there [14:11] hm. Amazon applied a £16 discount to my latest order.. by I have *no* idea why. Nothing in my gift card balance. [14:12] affiliate moneys [14:12] foobarry: I don't have an affiliate account, afaik [14:12] voodoo [14:13] if it's in my favour, why nout [14:13] not [14:15] (yay, free shaving) [14:44] http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/nerdiest-and-most-high-tech-business-card-youve-ever-seen?utm_content=bufferc5f7f&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer [14:44] want one :D === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea [14:57] Where are the right-click shortcuts for Nautilus stored? I renamed my home folder but they are all absolute paths so they no longer work... [14:58] right-click shortcuts? [14:58] Yeah, when you right click on the Nautilus icon in the dash, Downloads, Music, etc [15:01] never tried that [15:02] I'm actually quite annoyed by the enormous number of things that store an explicit path to your home folder :-) [15:02] Especially ones that use dconf [15:03] why change it though [15:03] I wanted it to agree with the name on another machine - because of yet another thing that can't deal with relative paths (eclipse) [15:04] I have an external caddy that I plug in and bind-mount folders from into my current home folder so I can carry work around === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:04] symlink? [15:05] sudo ln -s /home/pc1homefolder /home/pc2homefolder [15:05] diddledan, Doesn't work properly - some things climb out of the linked folder [15:05] fudge [15:05] that's annoying [15:05] Yeah [15:05] sudo mount -o bind /media/me/otherpc/home/folder ~/folder works well [15:07] But Eclipse still expects the full path to match ; so having the same home folder path on each drive becomes a goal [15:07] "So then I switched to vim" [15:07] I don't think I'm quite ready to move Java development to vim :-P [15:10] I like sublime text [15:10] I keep meaning to try that. But I don't know what I want it to do that vim doesn't [15:11] BigRedS: the big thing that it does that vim doesn't, is: be not vim [15:11] I got geany with crunchbang and while I was looking around it it seems quite nice compared to gedit. But then I tried to use it and left a sprinkling of :w everywhere [15:11] diddledan: that's a bug, surely! [15:12] I can't work vim [15:12] ah, the problem there is that you haven't learnt vim [15:12] I can do basic stuff but anything clever is no-go [15:12] vim is well worth climbing a little way up the learning curve [15:12] though judging by my experience, doing that just makes you intolerant of everything else [15:12]