[01:57] <rick_h_> I...want...to...try...this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFr0m1MTYuo
[02:06] <cmaloney> Evemomg
[02:06] <cmaloney> Evening even
[02:06] <cmaloney> rick_h_: That's ridiculous. :)
[02:06] <rick_h_> he caught a fish!
[02:07] <cmaloney> That was one surprised fish no doubt
[02:08] <cmaloney> The midi version of under the boardwalk is totally making this mood.
[02:08] <cmaloney> (not)
[02:10] <cmaloney> What is the point of the dude surfing on the copter?
[02:10] <rick_h_> decorations?
[02:10] <rick_h_> I mean, why did WW2 pilots paint on their planes? :P
[02:10] <cmaloney> They didn't paint their planes in lead.
[02:10] <cmaloney> well, actually they probably did
[02:11] <rick_h_> lol
[02:12] <cmaloney> That fish has one hell of a story to tell
[02:21] <cmaloney> http://other98.com/wall-street-give-your-bonuses-to-the-people-you-made-homeless/
[02:57] <rick_h_> youtube is sucking me in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9f1ov3pdCc
[02:57] <rick_h_> there went the last hour
[03:05] <rick_h_> holy crap, his plane threw out flares!
[03:07] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Sheesh. :)
[03:09] <rick_h_> it started out looking at a quad copter vidoes
[03:10] <rick_h_> then small airplanes, then bigger ones, then jet ones...
[03:10] <rick_h_> and then there's a freaking international championship!
[03:10] <cmaloney> rick_h_: Dude, it is a HUGE rabbit hole.
[03:10] <cmaloney> and there's a wood-working component for the planes
[03:10] <rick_h_> watch that video! one of hte planes has a pilot that moves around and little working lcd screens for the pilot controls
[03:11] <cmaloney> Hah, that's cool
[03:11] <rick_h_> they're like animatronics and planes and and and and
[03:11] <rick_h_> *mind blown*
[03:19] <jsivak> rick_h_: thanx.. there goes 30 min of productivity.. ;P
[03:20] <jsivak> though I bookmarked the quad-copter..  that would be a perfect 'up-north' toy
[03:21] <rick_h_> :)
[03:21] <rick_h_> jsivak: you hear anything on your pypi stuff?
[03:22] <jsivak> yeah, BeautifulSoup4 was "mistakenly" uploaded in 2013.10; and then some recent change to pypi made it disapper; the author knows what to do but doesn't have time to fix yet.
[03:22] <rick_h_> gotcha
[03:22] <rick_h_> sucky
[03:22] <jsivak> .. so I'm just monitoring the directory at pypi.python.org/simple/beautifulsoup4 now.
[03:23] <jsivak> but I think its related to the mirror-to-CDN transfer and that pip update you linked me to yesterday
[03:23] <jsivak> as well..
[03:24] <jsivak> I'm going to make it to MUG tomorrow.. are they still "dining" at RedLobster after?
[03:30] <cmaloney> Absolutely.
[03:30] <cmaloney> jsivak: ^^
[03:30] <cmaloney> Looking forward to seeing you there.
[03:31] <jsivak> haven't had popcorn shrimp in ages..
[03:32] <cmaloney> They're still sea-bugs. ;)
[03:32] <jsivak> he
[11:45] <cmaloney> Happy Birthday _stink_
[11:45] <cmaloney> !
[13:40] <cmaloney> Good morning everyone.
[13:40] <rick_h_> morning
[13:40] <cmaloney> MUG meeting tonight about ipV6
[13:40] <rick_h_> woot woot
[13:40] <cmaloney> Promises to be a great evening
[13:40] <cmaloney> and we have a book to give away
[13:41] <brousch> ipV4 is enough for everyone
[13:45]  * cmaloney drops brousch's machine to 640K
[14:59] <_stink_> cmaloney: thanks!
[16:04] <greg-g> happy birthday _stink_ :)
[16:10] <_stink_> greg-g: thanks!
[16:10]  * rick_h_ goes to get a rope http://techcrunch.com/2014/01/14/fcc-open-internet-order-struck-down/
[16:45] <cmaloney> rick_h_: This FCC chairman is a stooge
[16:45] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/patent-stunner-under-attack-nations-most-notorious-troll-sues-federal-govt/
[16:50] <cmaloney> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/net-neutrality-is-half-dead-court-strikes-down-fccs-anti-blocking-rules/
[16:50] <cmaloney> After reading Ars' article I'm starting to think this is a good thing
[16:50] <cmaloney> since the FCC will need to be more stern with their recommendations
[16:50] <cmaloney> honestly if they call ISPs common carriers that would be quite awesome.
[16:51] <cmaloney> But I think it would require the FCC chairman to break his programming
[18:08] <cmaloney> http://www.reddit.com/r/boardgameporn
[18:09] <cmaloney> I... don't. .. even...
[18:10] <rick_h_> ruh roh
[18:10] <rick_h_> time for a dns blockage
[18:13] <brousch> cmaloney: Please put your pants back on
[18:13] <cmaloney> hah
[18:13] <cmaloney> It's not as bad as it might first appear.
[18:14] <rick_h_> *yet*
[18:15]  * brousch covers his eye
[18:56] <greg-g> having my parents in town is awesome, only drawback is when they're hanging out at my house, downstairs with Rowan, it's a bit more distracting than normal (my dad's voice is a bit louder than Carrie's, and Rowan is really excited about them).
[19:06] <brousch> Also decades of responding to his voice as your boss has conditioned you to notice it more
[19:06] <greg-g> yeah, that too
[19:11] <cmaloney> ;)
[20:42] <rick_h_> bah, after I managed to get 2/3 of the house on LEDs http://r.bmark.us/u/31a876f9b17a36
[20:43] <cmaloney> This is ridiculous
[20:44] <cmaloney> It's all because people bitched.
[20:44] <cmaloney> So now we'll need to make it a social stigma to have incandescent lights.
[20:45] <cmaloney> Simple as that.
[20:45] <cmaloney> Also adding bills to budgets needs to die in a fire
[20:45] <cmaloney> seriously
[20:45] <greg-g> congress needs to die in a fire
[20:46] <greg-g> oops, now all the #ubuntu-us-mi lurkers are going to have the NSA down their pipes
[20:46] <greg-g> maybe just me
[20:46] <rick_h_> meh, they can look here.
[20:46] <greg-g> #notanactualthreatmmmkay
[20:46] <rick_h_> my pipes aren't interesting
[20:46] <cmaloney> greg-g: You're on the NSA's christmas list.
[20:51] <brousch> Good. The govt should not be legislating lightbulb efficiency
[20:51] <greg-g> brousch: shush you west michigan crazy
[20:51] <greg-g> move to Indiana already
[20:52] <greg-g> :P
[20:52] <cmaloney> ouch
[20:52] <cmaloney> At least let him pick another "untucked shirt" portion of the bible belt.
[20:53] <greg-g> Ohio?
[20:53] <brousch> Justin Amash is not my rep, but nearby
[20:53] <cmaloney> That's the "tucked into the underwear"
[20:53] <greg-g> hah
[20:53] <brousch> Most of what he says makes sense
[20:55] <cmaloney> brousch: he = who?
[20:55] <brousch> amash
[20:55] <brousch> West MI Tea Party rep
[20:56] <cmaloney> Haven't followed West MI politics.
[20:56] <cmaloney> According to Wikipedia he's punctual
[20:56] <cmaloney> that's sadly noteworthy
[20:56] <brousch> He blogs and explains the reason for every vote he makes
[20:57] <greg-g> that's cool
[20:57] <cmaloney> brousch: Funny enough I don't think Jack Lessenberry has mentioned him by name
[20:57] <cmaloney> which is likely a good thing. ;)
[20:58] <cmaloney> Whoops, apparently I missed that day.
[20:58] <brousch> I guess the local republicans are trying to oust him now because he's not following the party line
[20:58] <cmaloney> http://michiganradio.org/post/michigan-rep-amash-listed-one-20-outflanking-house-leaders
[20:58] <cmaloney> Good. The Republican Party Line is terrible
[20:59] <brousch> He is more Libertarian than anything else
[21:00] <greg-g> my buddy in Minneapolis is a die-hard libertarian, involved with Republican party politics for his...precinct? district? whatever, and he's basically trying to make a coup of the MN Republicans
[21:00] <cmaloney> I think the Libertarians are the Type O Negative organization
[21:00] <brousch> Anyways, my lightbulb belief is entirely consistent with West MI
[21:01] <cmaloney> Frankly I think incandescent bulbs are a pain in the butt
[21:01] <cmaloney> But I'm not for regulating them, only abolishing them. ;)
[21:01] <brousch> It's cheaper to use other kinds of bulbs, so do so. Other people need incandescent bulbs
[21:02] <brousch> My friend uses a 100W bulb to keep pipes in his barn from freezing
[21:02] <brousch> You can't use the right tool for the job if the right tool is illegal
[21:02] <cmaloney> He could use the 60W light bulb that I tried from Philips. Damn thing was really hot
[21:03] <cmaloney> and he could be more efficient. ;)
[21:03] <cmaloney> Also using a 100W bulb as a heater is not using the right tool for the job unless he's also making cakes in his EZ Bake oven.
[21:03] <greg-g> brousch: that's a good use case, yeah (heating)
[21:04] <brousch> They're better heaters than lights, which is why they were getting banned
[21:05] <brousch> He can see the little light from his house, and the same light keeps the pipes running
[21:05] <devinheitmueller> Yeah, a comparable heating element (which is the *real* approach he should be using) would put out more heat with less power consumption.
[21:05] <cmaloney> http://www.treehugger.com/green-home/6-energy-saving-portable-electric-space-heaters.html
[21:05] <brousch> Oh yes. An unmonitored space heater in a barn is definitely safe
[21:06] <cmaloney> There's infrared heaters
[21:06] <brousch> He could just use an oil lamp too
[21:06] <cmaloney> He could just burn down the barn and be done with it
[21:06] <cmaloney> and the infrared heater would have a thermostat
[21:06] <brousch> For the price of one heater, he can have a lifetime supply of lightbulbs
[21:06] <devinheitmueller> If the goal is to prevent pipes from freezing, he should use heat tape designed for wrapping around pipes.
[21:07] <cmaloney> or he could have a valve that would pop when the pressure gets too high
[21:07] <cmaloney> since that's really what causes the bursting.
[21:07] <devinheitmueller> (typically used in conjunction with a foam insulant)
[21:07] <brousch> Or he could use the same damn thing they've used for 100 years now
[21:07] <brousch> Which is safe, reliable, and costs $1
[21:08] <greg-g> for the record: there's always edge cases, like the 'homestead heating for chickens/pipes' one.
[21:09]  * greg-g is on a call
[21:09] <cmaloney> and uses 100W to do it
[21:09] <brousch> It's his money to burn
[21:09] <cmaloney> and our coal to burn
[21:09]  * cmaloney is one to talk with leaving his desktop on 24/7
[21:10] <devinheitmueller> Back in my day Sonny, I heard this story about somebody who got in a car accident and his life was actually *saved* because he was not wearing a seat belt and was thus thrown clear of the car.  So let's ban seat belts!
[21:10] <brousch> I was just going to bring up space heater-like computers
[21:10] <cmaloney> devinheitmueller: I love that argument. :)
[21:10] <cmaloney> brousch: he could use a raspberry pi to heat his pipes. ;)
[21:10] <devinheitmueller> Also, it's more than his money to burn.  His actions have an environmental impact on me.  It's called an externality in economics terms.
[21:10] <cmaloney> and have a webcam to view them.
[21:11] <brousch> Would it not make more sense to ban coal-fired power plants?
[21:11] <cmaloney> I'm all for that as well
[21:12] <cmaloney> but there's a similar fearmongering over wind, solar, and nuclear
[21:12] <brousch> What? Who is fearmongering against solar?
[21:12] <cmaloney> I remember my mom saying that wind farms were killing birds
[21:12] <brousch> Wind is just some bird lovers
[21:12] <cmaloney> I reminded her that buildings do the same thing.
[21:13] <brousch> The coal plant probably kills 1000 birds/yr
[21:13] <cmaloney> solar because it's not efficient and unsightly.
[21:13] <greg-g> NIMBY!!!!
[21:13] <devinheitmueller> A bit of random trivia:  wind farms actually interfere with the transmission of digital TV, due to multipath interference.
[21:13] <cmaloney> and doesn't make a whole lot of sense in northern climates where we see the the sun only three months of the year.
[21:14] <cmaloney> devinheitmueller: Yeah, and likely AM radio as well
[21:14] <cmaloney> to which I say "Oh damn"
[21:16] <cmaloney> (unrelated: Apparently I made O'Reilly media's day with my post about their customer service being awesome)
[21:20] <brousch> If you really need to legislate lightbulbs, incentivize people to buy the more efficient ones with tax breaks. That way people can still buy whatever they need, but will be encouraged to migrate to efficiency when possible
[21:21] <brousch> Or put a penalty on buying the incandescents, then you make money from them
[21:21] <brousch> Spend the money on carbon credits or whatever
[21:21] <cmaloney> Tax breaks do nothing to incentivize purchases
[21:21] <greg-g> except in solar
[21:21] <greg-g> except in...
[21:21] <greg-g> ;)
[21:21] <cmaloney> they only drive the price down so people won't want to pay retail when the tax breaks expire
[21:21] <greg-g> see all the solar installations in CA due to tax breaks
[21:22] <cmaloney> See the companies that went bankrupt as a result
[21:22] <greg-g> the idea is that the scale/volume/technology has increased enough to reduce the cost
[21:22] <cmaloney> it helps adoption but it's not sustainable.
[21:22]  * greg-g should pay attention to boss
[21:22] <cmaloney> greg-g: But we're making hippie arguments here.
[21:22] <cmaloney> "Let's ban Greenpeace"
[21:22] <cmaloney> ;)
[21:22] <greg-g> ;)
[21:24] <brousch> Fine, then penalize each bulb based on its inefficiency
[21:24] <brousch> Suddenly incandescents cost $5 more than LEDs
[21:24] <greg-g> I'VE GOT IT!
[21:25] <greg-g> We just finally make manufactures pay the externalities, all of them, of their products, factor that into the prices!
[21:25] <greg-g> once you figure that out, I think the sun will have died anways
[21:26] <cmaloney> greg-g: I think it'll all be undone with a rider on a budget bill anyway.
[21:26] <cmaloney> I hear worms are tasty. Let's all eat them and die.
[23:32] <cmaloney> Party party
[23:32] <cmaloney> THere's also a #mug channel in case you want to idle in there
[23:32] <rick_h_> party
[23:37] <waf> in this case "party" means "no."