[05:55] <jarkko_> guys
[05:55] <jarkko_> does ati 7870 install normally on ubuntu/kubuntu 13.10 ?
[05:56] <RAOF> jarkko_: Worked for me when I tried it, although no 3D accel because I didn't do the glamor fiddling (which you shouldn't need to do anymore)
[05:57] <jarkko_> can i post here or private?
[05:57] <jarkko_> i removed closed source driver and i have difficulty to use open source
[05:58] <jarkko_> i had problem getting kubuntu 13.10 working with ati 7870, i think i installed 13.04 1st and upgraded it and installed closed source driver
[06:02] <jarkko_> RAOF: why glamour is not needed anymore? since when?
[06:03] <RAOF> jarkko_: Oh, glamor is still needed, it's just enabled by default.
[06:04] <jarkko_> well how to enable it then?
[06:04] <jarkko_> there are 2 open source drivers for ati are they both in active developement?
[06:05] <jarkko_> RAOF: .
[06:06] <RAOF> There's only one open source driver for ati.
[06:06] <RAOF> For quite some time :)
[06:06] <jarkko_> so its radeonhd?
[06:07] <RAOF> No, it's radeon.
[06:07] <jarkko_> how to know if its in use?
[06:07] <RAOF> radeonhd's been abandoned for some time, and IIRC never had 3D support.
[06:07] <RAOF> Checking out /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:07] <jarkko_> http://pastebin.com/z8hyEpdi
[06:09] <jarkko_> what should i look there
[06:09] <RAOF> You need to turn off whatever has disable kernel modesetting.
[06:11] <jarkko_> i dont know what to do from now on
[06:11] <RAOF> You said you'd installed the proprietary driver?
[06:11] <jarkko_> i could reinstall the closed source and system would work and games would have good performance, but i would like to try the open source drivers
[06:16] <RAOF> How did you uninstall the closed source driver?
[06:16] <jarkko_> dont remember anymore the command, i googled
[06:16] <jarkko_> sudo dpkg remove something
[06:16] <jarkko_> i reinstalled some xorg packages too
[06:16] <jarkko_> i reconfigured xorg
[06:17] <jarkko_> but how to avoid that KMS is not disabled and how to enable glamour?
[06:20] <RAOF> Urgh.
[06:20] <RAOF> You've probably broken some things in that process.
[06:21] <jarkko_> possible
[06:21] <jarkko_> but i had weird problems when i tried to install manjaro and kubuntu distros
[06:22] <jarkko_> manjaro has option to boot with open source drivers (which end up blank screen), closed source option worked
[06:22] <jarkko_> i dont remember anymore how 13.10 install went,but i think it had blank screen too
[07:03] <jarkko> well it does load glamour
[07:03] <jarkko> but it tries to load the closed source driver too, which is nowhere to be found
[07:08] <tjaalton> dpkg --purge fglrx
[07:09] <tjaalton> or what it's called
[07:09] <tjaalton> the xserver tries to load the blob too, but that's irrelevant
[07:10] <jarkko> i upgraded the kernel to the latest
[07:10] <jarkko> system just dont boot into desktop
[07:10] <jarkko> but the display didnt go saving mode this time
[07:11] <jarkko> dpkg: warning: ignoring request to remove fglrx which isn't installed
[07:11] <jarkko> is there going to be soon mesa, xorg, ati updates for ubuntu/kubuntu?
[07:11] <tjaalton> check /etc/modprobe.d, there's probably a file that blacklists radeon.ko
[07:12] <tjaalton> what updates?
[07:12] <tjaalton> install trusty
[07:12] <jarkko> that file is blank
[07:12] <tjaalton> what file?
[07:12] <jarkko>  /etc/modprobe.d
[07:12] <tjaalton> it's a directory..
[07:12] <jarkko> lol
[07:13] <jarkko> which file should i open then?
[07:13] <tjaalton> look around
[07:13] <tjaalton> i don't know
[07:13] <tjaalton> cat /etc/modprobe.d/*|grep radeon ?
[07:15] <jarkko> i changed your command
[07:15] <jarkko> but it found one line of blacklist radeon
[07:15] <jarkko> dont know the file
[07:16] <jarkko> actually the name is radeonfb
[07:16] <jarkko> and i know the file now
[07:16] <tjaalton> that's not it
[07:17] <jarkko> then there is none
[07:17] <tjaalton> so pastebin xorg log
[07:17] <tjaalton> or, check '
[07:17] <tjaalton> 'dmesg |grep drm'
[07:19] <jarkko> http://pastebin.com/fqQZyhyH
[07:19] <jarkko> http://pastebin.com/qE94Y4En
[07:21] <tjaalton> [    19.057] (II) [KMS] drm report modesetting isn't supported.
[07:21] <tjaalton> upgrade your kernel
[07:21] <tjaalton> oh it's 3.13 already
[07:21] <tjaalton> weird
[07:21] <jarkko> i just updated
[07:21] <jarkko> from 3.12.7
[07:22] <jarkko> any ideas now?
[07:22] <tjaalton> then #radeon is probably your friend
[07:22] <jarkko> lol
[07:22] <jarkko> i will go there
[07:22] <tjaalton> what's the pci-id?
[07:23] <tjaalton> of the card
[07:24] <jarkko> how do i check?
[07:24] <tjaalton> lspci -nn
[07:24] <tjaalton> |grep VGA
[07:24] <tjaalton> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Xeon E3-1200 v2/3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller [8086:0162] (rev 09)
[07:25] <tjaalton> so 8086:0162 is mine
[07:25] <jarkko> found
[07:25] <jarkko> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. [AMD/ATI] Tahiti LE [Radeon HD 7870 XT] [1002:679e]
[07:25] <jarkko> this is joker card, made by club3d
[07:25] <jarkko> more shaders than normal 7870
[07:28] <tjaalton> should be supported
[07:28] <tjaalton> so I'm out of idea
[07:28] <tjaalton> s
[07:29] <jarkko> what should i do?
[07:29] <tjaalton> #radeon
[07:29] <jarkko> already there, quiet
[07:29] <tjaalton> you didn't ask anything
[07:29] <jarkko> is the glamour automatically used nowadays or what's the situation?
[07:29] <tjaalton> that's irrelevant here
[07:30] <tjaalton> but yes
[07:30] <tjaalton> [    1.597073] [drm] VGACON disable radeon kernel modesetting.
[07:30] <tjaalton> that's the root of it
[07:31] <jarkko> what's actually KMS?
[07:31] <jarkko> setting video modes?
[07:31] <tjaalton> kernel mode setting
[07:31] <jarkko> what does it do?
[07:31] <tjaalton> #ifdef CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE
[07:31] <tjaalton> did you mess with some console settings?
[07:31] <jarkko> no?
[07:31] <tjaalton> sets the video mode
[07:32] <tjaalton> dump 'lsmod' somewhere
[07:32] <tjaalton> and fulll dmesg
[07:33] <jarkko> http://pastebin.com/PFuKMQ56
[07:34] <jarkko> http://pastebin.com/sfszFp9i
[07:35] <tjaalton> meh, so why do you have nomodeset on the kernel cmdline?
[07:36] <jarkko> i dont know? i havent changed any kernel settings
[07:36] <tjaalton> is it in /etc/default/grub?
[07:36] <jarkko> i just installed the kernel from ubuntu kernel ppa
[07:36] <jarkko> hanvet changed grub either
[07:36] <tjaalton> just cat that file
[07:37] <jarkko> http://pastebin.com/Q6356x3A
[07:40] <tjaalton> oh you booted the recovery kernel
[07:40] <tjaalton> why?
[07:40] <jarkko> normal doesnt boot into desktop
[07:40] <tjaalton> well, that's your bug then
[07:40] <tjaalton> #radeon
[07:41] <tjaalton> or, what do you mean by desktop? the login screen loads?
[07:42] <jarkko> i have no login password, it just somhow hangs
[07:42] <tjaalton> ok
[07:42] <jarkko> failsafe resume goes to desktop
[07:43] <tjaalton> failsafe resume?
[07:43] <jarkko> yes
[07:45] <tjaalton> meaning?
[07:45] <jarkko> there is a menu you can choose what to do
[07:45] <jarkko> its the 1st:"resume"
[07:45] <tjaalton> how do you end up there?
[07:46] <jarkko> from grub
[07:46] <tjaalton> by using the recovery kernel?
[07:46] <jarkko> yes
[07:49] <tjaalton> anyway, if every kernel hangs like that then #radeon might help
[07:49] <tjaalton> do you have sshd running on it, or can you do a ctrl-alt-f1?
[07:50] <jarkko> while normal boot i cannot use another session
[07:50] <jarkko> sshd =?
[07:50] <tjaalton> openssh-server
[07:50] <tjaalton> log in remotely from another machine
[07:51] <jarkko> i have no use such thing
[07:51] <jarkko> dont know if its installed default
[07:51] <tjaalton> nope
[07:51] <jarkko> how to make sure its not installed?
[07:51] <tjaalton> apt-cache policy openssh-server
[07:51] <jarkko> i removed some ssh-agent sometime ago, dont remember the name anymore
[07:52] <jarkko> it says not installed, but it found a package
[07:53] <tjaalton> sure
[07:55] <tjaalton> btw, you have radeon.audio=1 on /etc/default/grub
[07:57] <jarkko> what about it
[07:57] <jarkko> i have hdmi...
[07:57] <tjaalton> it could break things
[07:57] <jarkko> okay
[07:57] <jarkko> i try to disable then
[07:57] <tjaalton> remove it, run update-grub and see if it changes anything
[07:58] <jarkko> done
[07:58] <jarkko> boot a bit later
[07:58] <jarkko> trying to complie newer mesa
[07:59] <tjaalton> are you on 13.10?
[07:59] <jarkko> yes
[08:00] <tjaalton> just upgrade to trusty then
[08:00] <tjaalton> it has 10.0.1
[08:00] <jarkko> well how do i do that?
[08:00] <tjaalton> and 3.13
[08:00] <tjaalton> ask the internets
[08:00] <tjaalton> do-release-upgrade -d
[08:00] <jarkko> kubuntu channel said that there are no ppa
[08:00] <tjaalton> ppa?
[08:00] <tjaalton> what ppa
[08:00] <jarkko> where to fetch updates
[08:01] <tjaalton> for what?
[08:01] <jarkko> wanted to try 14.04
[08:01] <tjaalton> aiui kubuntu stuff is in trusty
[08:01] <tjaalton> not a ppa
[08:01] <jarkko> your command works btw
[08:02] <jarkko> some errors on some repos
[08:02] <jarkko> HUGE UPDATE
[08:02] <jarkko> over 700 files changed
[08:02] <jarkko> no, it updated itself again, now over 1000 files
[08:03] <jarkko> this takes time
[08:04] <tjaalton> you could also just download a live-cd
[08:04] <tjaalton> daily image, to see if it boots
[08:05] <jarkko> would it be possible to change these huge updates that when it has downloaded something, it starts to install if it doesnt need some files that are downloaded later? it takes time to download and then it rapes your hdd when installing, the install would be faster if it could install and download sametime
[08:06] <tjaalton> not my problem
[08:07] <jarkko> but thats one thing that could be improved
[08:07] <jarkko> installs would take less time
[08:14] <jarkko_> removing the hdmi part didnt work
[08:21] <tjaalton> ok
[08:43] <jarkko_> got reply on radeon
[08:43] <jarkko_> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60879
[08:43] <ubottu> Freedesktop bug 60879 in Drivers/Gallium/radeonsi "[radeonsi] X11 can't start with acceleration enabled" [Blocker,New]
[08:43] <mlankhorst> morning
[08:44] <jarkko_> that should be high priority bug if it effects 7870 (and what else cards)
[08:52] <tjaalton> hmm, I only saw the comment from mrcooper
[08:53] <tjaalton> what's up with my irssi..
[08:55] <jarkko_> but i think i have the same problem than in the link he posted
[08:55] <jarkko_> the card id matches with he last post someone made
[08:56] <tjaalton> sure
[08:56] <tjaalton> file a bug on launchpad against mesa
[09:01] <jarkko_> how do you know its mesa
[09:05] <tjaalton> because of the upstream bug..
[09:07] <jarkko_> i am installing the distro update
[09:08] <jarkko_> it says that i am missing firmware files...
[09:08] <jarkko_> they didnt come with the kernel?
[09:08] <tjaalton> linux-firmware
[09:08] <jarkko_> well it downloaded that file
[09:09] <jarkko_> it install now the files and this said that there are more than 1000 files to download
[09:09] <jarkko_> i already downloaded lot of files
[09:10] <tjaalton> just let it complete
[09:10] <tjaalton> it won't help anyway
[09:10] <tjaalton> since mesa in trusty is just as broken
[09:11] <jarkko_> well if i make the bug report how do i proof them that mesa is broken?
[09:11] <tjaalton> "them"?
[09:12] <jarkko_> who ever makes mesa
[09:12] <tjaalton> link to the upstream bug
[09:12] <tjaalton> it's us
[09:13] <jarkko_> do you have any clue what needs to be changed to get this work?
[09:13] <tjaalton> no
[09:13] <tjaalton> it's upstreams job
[09:16] <jarkko_> can you gimme link where to report?
[09:17] <tjaalton> run ubuntu-bug
[09:17] <tjaalton> but if you don't have an account on launchpad, then don't
[09:17] <jarkko_> i have
[09:17] <tjaalton> ok
[09:18] <jarkko_> should i report it as xorg problem or other?
[09:18] <tjaalton> mesa..
[09:18] <tjaalton> or xorg, doesn't matter
[09:18] <tjaalton> ubuntu-bug mesa
[09:19] <jarkko_> it just collects info and send them?
[09:19] <tjaalton> yes
[09:19] <jarkko_> and says nothing?
[09:19] <tjaalton> opens a browser tab
[09:19] <tjaalton> where you'll fill in the details
[09:20] <jarkko_> dont see any open tab
[09:21] <jarkko_> it didnt open
[09:22] <tjaalton> nevermind then
[09:22] <tjaalton> not worth it
[09:29] <jarkko_> well the update goes well so far
[09:37] <jarkko_> over 100 000 open bugs...crazy
[10:12] <jarkko_> i was able to boot after the upgrade, but still had to use the failsave
[10:12] <jarkko_> sometimes those upgrades are failures
[10:13] <tjaalton> i said it's not fixed yet
[10:15] <jarkko_> OpenGL version string: 2.1 Mesa 10.0.1
[10:15] <jarkko_> it got updated, but the mesa version is very low...
[10:16] <jarkko_> i mean opengl
[10:19] <tjaalton> irrelevant
[10:30] <jarkko_> back to closed driver
[10:33] <jarkko_> noticed weird problem on boot
[10:33] <jarkko_> when i press f8, it brings boot menu where to boot
[10:34] <jarkko_> i have kubuntu and ubuntu there (only kubuntu installed, never ubuntu), only 1 hard disk..only 1 distro
[10:34] <jarkko_> the 1 entry goes kubuntu and the another goes to grub