[03:30]  * Kilos greets
[04:48] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:06] <Kilos> plustwo, whats you guys breaking?
[05:07] <Kilos> ai!
[05:08] <Kilos> morning superfly 
[05:08] <superfly> hi Kilos 
[05:30] <Kilos> oh my goosie is gonna run again today
[05:37] <nuvolari> o/ mornings oom Kilos, superfly, plustwo
[05:37] <Kilos> morning nuvolari 
[05:46] <bduk1> Morning everyone
[05:46] <Kilos> hi bduk1 
[05:49] <Kilos> plustwo, maak reg man
[05:50] <bduk1> Shoe iemand klink kwaai vanmore
[05:51] <Kilos> lol
[05:54] <Kilos> wb inetpro maak reg
[05:54] <Kilos> sommer nou
[05:55] <Kilos> ai!
[05:55] <Kilos> hmm...
[05:55] <Kilos> inetpro_, maak reg
[05:59] <Kilos> oh my
[06:20] <inetpro> goeie more
[06:20] <inetpro> Kilos: eish!
[06:21] <Kilos> sjoe inetpro als siek daar maar lyk beter laaste rukkie
[06:21] <Kilos> wat het jy gebreek?
[06:21] <inetpro> massive NTP attack
[06:21] <Kilos> ai!
[06:21] <Kilos> from where
[06:22] <inetpro> from plenty addresses
[06:22] <inetpro> DDOS
[06:22] <Kilos> oh so they using other peeps pcs too
[06:22] <Kilos> eish
[06:23] <inetpro> Hackers Spend Christmas Break Launching Large Scale NTP-Reflection Attacks
[06:23] <inetpro> looks like they haven't stopped since then
[06:24] <inetpro> only now they figured that my server also has ntp
[06:24] <Kilos> i saw that
[06:24] <Kilos> i wish they would call them crackers
[06:27] <inetpro> now obviously I need to make a plan to update me ntp service
[06:27] <inetpro> been running smoothly for ever
[06:33] <Kilos> sigh
[06:33] <Kilos> so evil these peeps are
[06:48] <inetpro> that is where the firewall comes in handy
[06:48] <inetpro> whacked them all into a deny rule
[06:52] <Kilos> good man
[06:53] <Kilos> my gufw is set to deny all incoming, but i spose you have to have exceptions
[07:06] <inetpro> well you can't block a legitimate service if you expect people to use it
[07:08] <inetpro> fortunately mine is not an official outside service for the public
[07:08] <inetpro> sorry to those who thought they could just use it
[07:14] <Kilos> hehe
[07:22] <Kilos> hi Gotango 
[07:22] <Gotango> hi Kilos
[07:22] <Kilos> if you need help shout quick, i wanna chnge sims
[07:22] <Kilos> change
[07:23] <Kilos> hi henkj_ 
[07:23] <Kilos> with a tail
[07:23] <Gotango> lol why is that Kilos
[07:23] <Kilos> i want to use the data on the free one
[07:23] <Kilos> this one is getting low
[07:25] <Gotango> oh okay
[07:25] <Kilos> i go let sheep out quick
[07:25] <Gotango> 2 is better than 1 then
[07:34] <Kilos> hehe
[07:35] <Kilos> one is my first 8ta sim and the other is the new telkom one with the free 200m data a month
[07:35] <Kilos> hi vince
[07:35] <Vince-0> hi
[07:36] <Kilos> wbb
[07:36] <Gotango> I dont wana risk R49 though. Will try getting a cheap telkom mobile sim and then see if it works in my modem
[07:36] <Gotango> Hi Vince-0
[07:39] <Vince-0> Hi!
[07:40] <Kilos> hi!
[07:40] <Gotango> I dont wana risk R49 though. Will try getting a cheap telkom mobile sim and then see if it works in my modem
[07:40] <Gotango> wb Kilos
[07:41] <Kilos> ya my first one was 3.99 at checkers i think
[07:41] <Kilos> ty
[07:41] <Kilos> take your modem with to the shop and let them try it there
[07:43] <Gotango> I dont think Shoprite or pep stores will do that or can do that though
[07:44] <Gotango> Thats if they got the telkom mobile sims
[07:44] <Kilos> i think they all keep all the brands
[07:45] <Kilos> isnt there a post office near?
[07:46] <Gotango> Yeah its at the end of the street by me. But they never got anything. The one in town got eveything
[07:48] <Gotango> Hmm pc is running cool, now the laptops charger is hotter than ever lol
[07:48] <Kilos> worth a try
[07:48] <Kilos> lol
[07:50] <Gotango> I will get a cheap sim tomorow, then test it out, if it dont work then no loss for me, if it does, i do a rain dance :D
[07:52] <Kilos> yeah
[07:52] <Kilos> thats good reasoning
[07:54] <Kilos> heres a drawing my daughter did for a client
[07:54] <Kilos> http://imageshack.com/a/img15/3694/osge.jpg
[07:56] <Gotango> Wow! thats stunning. She's really talented 
[07:59] <Kilos> looks like a vampire chick
[08:00] <Kilos> peeps want funny things
[08:00] <Kilos> and pay for it too
[08:03] <Gotango> lol thats true, i saw a guy in new york who picks up random rubbish on sidewalks then puts it in glass cubes. People actually pay more than R10000 for it 
[08:03] <Gotango> His an artist
[08:05] <Gotango> Well those are people who can afford to spend money on anything that interests them.
[08:08] <Gotango> Any way to put the notifications popup on the bottom ? It gets in the way alot
[08:15] <Kilos> lol
[08:15] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[08:15] <charl> hi psychicist, Kilos, Gotango 
[08:16] <Kilos> i dunno how you decide where the popups are shown
[08:16] <Kilos> mine are also top right
[08:16] <Kilos> right where my 8ta connection is
[08:17] <Gotango> Hi charl
[08:17] <Gotango> Hi psychicist
[08:18] <Gotango> oh ok, will look on google, maybe its possible
[08:19] <Kilos> ohi charl 
[08:24] <henkj_> hi kilos
[08:26] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[08:27] <mazal> Môre oom
[08:28] <mazal> Ek het baie goeie nuus gelles vanmôre in die Ubuntu newsletter. 14.04 gaan Mate by default in hê :)
[08:28] <mazal> gelees even
[08:28] <Kilos> ai!
[08:28] <mazal> Hulle moes dit lankal gedoen het
[08:29] <mazal> Nou kan mens self kies tussen Unity en Mate sonder om dit hoef by te install
[08:29] <Kilos> ek het net gewoont geraak aan unity
[08:29] <Kilos> maar dis n goeie plan
[08:29] <mazal> Jy kan nog steeds Unity gebruik , hy word net bygesit vir die wat nie van Unity hou nie
[08:29] <Kilos> maar mate is nie so lekker soos gnome2 nie op 10.10
[08:29] <mazal> Baie goeie besluit in my opinie. Unity het baie users weggejaag
[08:30] <Kilos> ya baie het gekerm
[08:30] <mazal> Ten minste word Mate develop , gnome2 is dood
[08:30] <Kilos> ya
[08:31] <Kilos> maar daar was drie goed bo in 10.10 en in mate moet jy na een van die twee kies om te sien wat was in die derde een
[08:32] <Kilos> gnome2 was die maklikste van almal
[08:33] <Kilos> met baie moeite kan mens miskien gnome2 compile vir later releases
[08:34] <Kilos> maar sal baie werk wees met al die dependancies wat dan ook gedoen moet word
[08:34] <Kilos> eks al klaar moeg
[08:45] <mazal> Ja nee ek wil nie meer so baie sukkel nie. Is moeg van sukkel. Soek net 'n stabiele system wat als op werk
[08:45] <Kilos> lol
[08:48] <Gotango> oh ok, will look on google, maybe its possible
[08:48] <Gotango> hmm , reading some bad stuff on unvarified .deb files https://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/fatalmistakes#TOC-Never-use-installation-scripts-like-Ultamatix-Ubuntu-Tweak-Ubuntu-Sources-List-Generator-or-Ubuntuzilla
[08:49] <Gotango> Even the theme files contain malware and trojans :/
[08:51] <Gotango> An Ubuntu in which both the full Unity/Gnome and the full KDE desktop environments has been installed, turns your system into a hopelessly polluted mess. This pollution will decrease performance and may cause instability and malfunctions.
[08:52] <Gotango> So much for Xubuntu
[09:01] <Gotango> Kilos , in synaptic where is the install button after you've marked the application ?
[09:02] <Kilos> its a green arrow i think
[09:02] <Kilos> ya says apply
[09:02] <Kilos> at the top
[09:03] <Gotango> oh the green check mark 
[09:04] <Kilos> dont you see apply written there?
[09:04] <Gotango> What is the : Download package files only option ?
[09:04] <Gotango> Yes
[09:04] <Kilos> dont change stuff there
[09:04] <psyatw> hi Gotango
[09:04] <psyatw> hi Kilos
[09:04] <Kilos> hi psyatw 
[09:05] <Gotango> Hi psyatw
[09:05] <Gotango> ok i wont tick that box , just click Apply
[09:05] <Kilos> that would most likely mean it downloads them but dont install
[09:06] <Kilos> you see you can also do upgrades from synaptic?
[09:06] <Kilos> you mark them and then apply
[09:06] <Kilos> remember all this
[09:08] <Gotango> oh i see thanks
[09:08] <Kilos> it can also fix broken packages
[09:09] <Gotango> Thats good to hear
[09:10] <Kilos> edit>fix broken
[09:10] <Kilos> ubuntu rocks
[09:12] <Kilos> there are some very light weight linux OS's but you need to do more work
[09:12] <Gotango> Like mint
[09:12] <Kilos> much smaller
[09:13] <Gotango> ok
[09:13] <Kilos> like tinycorelinux. 66m the install iso
[09:13] <Kilos> but you need adsl to be able to then get the stuff to make 3g work
[09:13] <Gotango> lol , thats like win 98
[09:14] <Kilos> smaller i think
[09:14] <Kilos> i still use 98 sometimes to fix mbr's
[09:15] <Kilos> command is fdisk /mbr
[09:17] <Gotango> Nice , i'm sure there's peeps out there that'll use it
[09:17] <Kilos> xp uses fixmbr and fixboot
[09:17] <Kilos> in ubuntu there is a tool for it called boot-repair
[09:20] <Gotango> Thats good 
[09:27] <Kilos> you can most likely uses gparted now to make a partition at the end of the drive to save stuff on
[09:27] <Kilos> or even make backups to
[09:27] <Kilos> but dont play there yet
[09:27] <Kilos> easier to do when installing
[09:28] <Gotango> Thats a great thing to do
[09:28] <Gotango> I see a backup icon in system settings
[09:29] <Kilos> yes it works kiff
[09:29] <Kilos> deja-dup
[09:29] <Kilos> but you need somewhere to backup to
[09:29] <Gotango> Did it already create the backup partion at install
[09:29] <Kilos> no
[09:29] <Gotango> oh ok
[09:29] <Kilos> you make your own
[09:30] <Kilos> when installing you dont choose erase disk you choose something else then make your own partitions
[09:30] <Gotango> I see
[09:30] <Kilos> like / /home /storage
[09:30] <Kilos> oh and swap
[09:31] <Kilos> then if you need to reinstall you dont format your home partition so all your setting and accounts arent lost after installing the app again
[09:33] <Kilos> sounds wrong that
[09:33] <Gotango> Hmm , i'm used to reverting to last time the OS worked properly with win7 system restore
[09:33] <Kilos> after doing reinstall all your settings are saved but you need to install the apps again to use them
[09:34] <Kilos> ubuntu has a recovery tool
[09:34] <Kilos> when you boot its under the kernel thing you changed
[09:35] <Gotango> Yes i saw the ( recovery mode thing ) at boot
[09:35] <Kilos> but normally running sudo touch /forcefsck fixes things on a reboot
[09:36] <Kilos> like when a storm is close here but i dont want to go offline i use that command then the power can maar die the pc fixes everything when you boot again
[09:37] <Gotango> lol, dont you need a ups for that
[09:38] <Kilos> i have one but the battery packed up
[09:38] <Kilos> i just buy data and old peeps meds and save slowly for a fast pc
[09:39] <Gotango> So if the power goes off at random times without you knowing when, does the command still work
[09:39] <Kilos> the command works on first reboot after your type it in
[09:40] <Kilos> does what scandisk or chkdsk does
[09:40] <Kilos> only very very much faster
[09:40] <Gotango> But you need to be logged in to type the command
[09:41] <Kilos> yes so like if you see a storm coming you type it in now and forget about it
[09:41] <Kilos> sometimes ubuntu runs its own check on booting if power just died
[09:42] <Gotango> If the power shuts down while you were working on the pc, does it continue from where you left off
[09:43] <Kilos> with what?
[09:43] <Kilos> if you havent saved stuff you start over
[09:43] <Kilos> text files you can save at anytime through the job
[09:44] <Gotango> Ok so sudden power failure wont break ubuntu , like it does windows
[09:44] <Kilos> always look in file save when you doing big stuff and save now and again
[09:44] <Kilos> nope
[09:45] <Kilos> part of the ext4 filesystem makes it better especially for power cuts
[09:45] <Gotango> Reason is i keep my laptop battery in all the time while plugged in AC . I see a drain on the battery capacity, so i wana try taking it out and using ony AC
[09:46] <Gotango> only*
[09:46] <Gotango> Thats good
[09:46] <Kilos> eish that isnt safe i think
[09:46] <Kilos> dont they warm you to not do that
[09:47] <Gotango> Only HP does , other laptop manufacturers says its ok
[09:47] <Kilos> i wish the lappy peeps would advise here
[09:47] <Kilos> it is a big load on charger for starters
[09:47] <Gotango> The battery is always cool though
[09:48] <Kilos> personally i wouldnt remove the battery
[09:48] <Gotango> Just the charger is hot
[09:48] <Kilos> they always get hot even cell phone chargers
[09:49] <Gotango> Ya thats true
[09:49] <Kilos> if you remove the battery then the charger has to do everything
[09:49] <Gotango> I see on google people complain of HP chargers getting more hot than other laptop chargers
[09:50] <Gotango> Maybe thats why the suggest to take out the battery
[09:50] <Kilos> it will get even hotter then
[09:50] <Kilos> like with a car
[09:50] <Gotango> Ya i guess
[09:51] <Kilos> you can start it then remove the battery and the altenator will keep it going but wont be too long before you buy a new altenator
[09:52] <Gotango> I have been using it with the battery in for 2 years now, and on full battery charge it lasts about 30 minutes for the battery to drain again
[09:52] <Gotango> Aah thats interesting
[09:52] <Kilos> then the battery is tired but will still do its job with charger connected
[09:53] <Kilos> so start designing and make money for a new battery
[09:53] <Gotango> Ya , i like to use the battery as a ups for when the powers down i can save my work before switching it off
[09:54] <Kilos> ya
[09:55] <Gotango> I will try
[09:57] <Kilos> arent they supposed to last for hours
[09:57] <Kilos> 30 mins sucks
[09:57] <Kilos> just enough time to save everything
[09:58] <Gotango> yes , but the battery degrades faster when not following its designed charge patterns
[09:59] <Gotango> Like always full charge and full discharge will make the battery last longer
[10:15] <Gotango> acpitz-virtual-0
[10:15] <Gotango> Adapter: Virtual device
[10:15] <Gotango> temp1:        +62.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango> temp2:        +30.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango> k10temp-pci-00c3
[10:15] <Gotango> Adapter: PCI adapter
[10:15] <Gotango> temp1:        +62.5°C  (high = +70.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango>                        (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = +95.0°C)
[10:15] <Gotango> temp1: used to be at 256 degrees, beyond critical
[10:18] <Kilos> whew
[10:19] <Gotango> Hope That 256 degrees didnt damage anything
[10:20] <Gotango> But good to see its calmed down now
[10:22] <Kilos> it could only vave damaged the heat pad
[10:23] <Kilos> i read thats common 
[10:23] <Kilos> and the replacement aint cheap
[10:24] <Gotango> It does'nt matter though, i will keep on using this lappy until it breaks
[10:25] <Gotango> Just keep on monitoring the resources used and stuff, not over-do the cpu with intense apps and games 
[10:26] <Gotango> Other than that things will be ok
[10:26] <Kilos> i dunno bout lappy life but i got old desktops working fine
[10:26] <Kilos> psu replacement dvdrom etc
[10:27] <Gotango> Ya they usually last a long time if used properly
[10:28] <Kilos> yo somaunn 
[10:28] <Kilos> what did you break
[10:29] <Gotango> Having a backup pc is always a plus
[10:29] <somaunn> Hello Kilos
[10:29] <Gotango> Hi somaumn
[10:29] <somaunn> Hi Gotango
[10:29] <Kilos> yeah its the answer Gotango 
[10:34] <somaunn> Yeah you right
[10:35] <somaunn> guys if i may bring something on the desk here
[10:36] <somaunn> When can we expect to have an office suite similar to MS Office with less stress than OoO and LO
[10:36] <somaunn> on our linux box
[10:37] <somaunn> i've read somewhere: MS will release MS Office on linux but left the major question : is it going to be free
[10:37] <somaunn> ????
[10:38] <Gotango> bbl
[10:42] <Kilos> sjoe
[10:56] <Kilos> superfly, please help. i got a cpu cooler with three strips of some tape across. must i put thermal paste on the cpu then remove the strips of tape off the cooler before placing on cpu or does that grey kinda tape act as heat transfer stuff?
[10:56] <superfly> I don't know. 
[10:56] <Kilos> like if the tap stays the whole heat sink isnt flush with the cpu top
[10:56] <Kilos> oh my
[10:57] <Kilos> i dunno who to ask
[10:57] <superfly> Kilos: are you talking about a heatsink? that massive fan that sits on top of your CPU?
[10:57] <Kilos> yessir
[10:58] <superfly> Kilos: is it new?
[10:58] <Kilos> yessir
[10:58] <superfly> doesn't it come with instructions?
[10:58] <Kilos> instructions say nothing about those three strips
[10:59] <superfly> what is the make and model?
[10:59] <Kilos> of the cooler?
[11:00] <superfly> yes
[11:00] <Kilos> intel  e97379-001
[11:01] <Kilos> cnf-n3262v2
[11:02] <Kilos> 1ao1ry300-hbd
[11:02] <Kilos> sorry have to use 2 pairs glasses and magnifying glass
[11:03] <Kilos> had to
[11:06] <Kilos> on the box it says it has a thermal solution design for desktop use
[11:06] <Kilos> those strips must be it
[11:06] <Kilos> sorry superfly 
[11:07] <Kilos> i gotta go eat
[11:09] <somaunn> brb
[11:12] <superfly> Kilos: is the tape sticky?
[11:12] <superfly> Kilos: most heat sinks come with thermal paste pre-applied
[11:13] <Kilos> yeah a little bit
[11:13] <Kilos> oh lekker ty superfly 
[11:13] <Kilos> i even have a tube of past. so that can be saved
[11:13] <Kilos> yay
[12:42] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[13:13] <Kilos> hi nlsthzn 
[13:13] <Kilos> and not_found 
[13:13] <Kilos> split personality
[14:08] <somaunn> Hello
[14:08] <somaunn> i'm back
[14:12] <Kilos> hi somaunn 
[14:18] <Kilos> did anyone answer you somaunn ? i was off for a bit
[14:21] <Kilos> ive only used officewriter a bit so i cant help you. but if you state why you asked that question someone could help maybe
[14:21] <Kilos> just rememberthey all busy
[14:21] <Kilos> so patience is good
[14:25] <somaunn> Kilos: no, i received no answer
[14:26] <somaunn> Kilos: i'm not in a hurry i can wait until the answer comes
[14:27] <Kilos> cool
[14:29] <somaunn> in the same time i have a question
[14:30] <somaunn> how is the Linux/ Ubuntu movement doing in S.A these days
[14:31] <Kilos> we always strong and slowly bit by bit new guys join
[14:31] <Kilos> dont you see new names when you come on?
[14:31] <Kilos> oh meeting 28th hey
[14:32] <Kilos> we gonna discuss internet in za
[14:32] <Kilos> maybe someone has plans to improve it or maybe we go toi toi
[14:37] <Kilos> hi andrewlsd 
[14:37] <Kilos> wb
[14:37] <andrewlsd> Hi Kilos
[14:43] <andrewlsd> ... am trying CIRC client. via  "CIRC is a packaged Chrome app developed by Google Inc. Documentation, issues and source code live at http://flackr.github.com/circ."
[14:45] <Kilos> wb Gotango 
[14:45] <Gotango> ty Kilos
[16:11] <somaunn> brb
[17:09] <somaunn> i'm back
[17:12] <Kilos> ah
[17:19] <magespawn> good evening all
[17:19] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[17:20] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:21] <Kilos> did you physically have to line up those 2 dishes to see each other?
[17:25] <Gotango> Hi magespawn
[17:25] <magespawn> yes but they come with a site survey tool that allows you to scan and come up with available access points
[17:25] <magespawn> hey Gotango 
[17:26] <Kilos> aha
[17:26] <magespawn> also strength and signal through put etc
[17:27] <Kilos> cost per dish?
[17:27] <magespawn> lots of software tools to make it easier
[17:27] <magespawn> they are quite pricey i think about R2500.00 
[17:28] <Kilos> eeek
[17:28] <magespawn> mm not cheap
[17:28] <magespawn> there are other options that are slightly cheaper ut not by much 
[17:29] <magespawn> s/ut/but
[17:30] <Kilos> yagi
[17:30] <Kilos> ill still get to finishing mine
[17:30] <Kilos> need another brazing rod
[17:30] <Kilos> 5 elements short5
[17:31] <magespawn> i see the prices here are cheaper http://www.dbg.co.za/product_info.php?cPath=1_69_96&products_id=642
[17:32] <Kilos> ya but your way you need to supply both dishes
[17:35] <Kilos> i want to reach a telkom hotspot about 8 ks away but we are in a dip so not sure how high the mast must be
[17:38] <magespawn> there is no guarantee that is going to work
[17:39] <Kilos> if i can get line of site with nothing in between it will, im sure
[17:39] <magespawn> they usually want you to be local to the hotspot, and generally they run at 2.4Ghz
[17:39] <Kilos> not serious the costs to me are minimal
[17:39] <magespawn> well it will be interesting to find out
[17:39] <Kilos> ya i designed the yagi for 2.4g
[17:40] <magespawn> i want to try a satellite dish with those dipole antenna 
[17:41] <Kilos> ya that works too
[17:41] <Kilos> how far must yours work
[17:42] <Kilos> at these high frequencies line of site is important
[17:42] <magespawn> well i am going to have my adsl line in town it will probable be about 1.5 - 2 km
[17:43] <Kilos> oh thats close
[17:44] <Kilos> you can use a wifi antenna with a nice dome shaped chrome dish out of the kitchen
[17:44] <magespawn> yup right around the corner, just far enough to not get a phone line, since that does not run line of sight
[17:45] <Kilos> you can take a wifi card and just extend the coax to the aerial
[17:46] <Kilos> must be 50 ohm coax
[17:46] <magespawn> there are lots of options
[17:46] <Kilos> much thinner than tv cable
[17:48] <Kilos> all wifi uses 50 ohm coax
[17:52] <Kilos> dishes are the answer if one has the cash
[17:54] <Kilos> hi psychicist 
[17:55] <magespawn> this is a second hand one that i got from a local dstv installer
[17:55] <psychicist> hi Kilos 
[17:55] <psychicist> hi magespawn 
[17:56] <magespawn> hi psychicist 
[17:56] <Kilos> good idea that mage i have 2 and no dstv
[17:56] <Kilos> decoder packed up just after i came here 
[17:57] <magespawn> just need to work on the correct distance from the dish
[17:58] <magespawn> just found this website http://www.saflii.org.za/
[17:58] <Kilos> yeah 
[17:58] <Gotango> hi psychicist
[17:58] <Kilos> i cant browse now data near gone
[17:59] <Kilos> save that link for me please
[17:59] <magespawn> it is a legal site with case law etc from south africa
[17:59] <Kilos> ian got me data 2 weeks back and when i tried to use it today it said invalid
[17:59] <Kilos> grrr
[18:01] <Gotango> That sucks Kilos
[18:01] <Gotango> They cant just pull data like that
[18:01] <Kilos> yeah i gotta fone and bitch
[18:02] <psychicist> hi Gotango 
[18:02] <Kilos> maybe the shop that sold it noticed it wasnt used so they used it. i gotta find out why they say its invalid
[18:03] <magespawn> maybe the same data has been sold twice
[18:03] <Gotango> Ya do that
[18:04] <Kilos> but then i gotta use this sim to fone from
[18:05] <Kilos> oh wait i have another one too
[18:05] <Kilos> yay
[18:05] <Kilos> bad to be stupid
[18:09] <magespawn> everyone is sooner or later
[18:09] <Kilos> hahaha im at the later stage
[18:10] <Kilos> hi cocooncrash hows things by you?
[18:12] <magespawn> i really love updating free software, the updates are almost always small
[18:13] <magespawn> for some reason paid software is almost always larger
[18:14] <Kilos> yeah
[18:14] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[18:14] <Kilos> wwb
[18:14] <Kilos> wb too
[18:16] <magespawn> the latest LTS is 13.04 correct?
[18:18] <Kilos> 14.04
[18:18] <Kilos> oh sorry
[18:18] <Kilos> 12,04
[18:18] <magespawn> this laptop is running 13.04
[18:18] <Kilos> latest is coming in just over 3 months
[18:19] <Kilos> 13.04 isnt supported anymore i think
[18:19] <theblazehen> Hi!
[18:20] <magespawn> hi theblazehen 
[18:20] <theblazehen> hey magespawn, whats new?
[18:21] <Gotango> Hi theblazehen
[18:21] <theblazehen> hey Gotango 
[18:21] <Private_User> hi Kilos and everybody else
[18:21] <theblazehen> hey Private_User 
[18:21] <Gotango> Hi Private_User
[18:21] <magespawn> not too much, setting up a wireless mast at work over the next couple of days
[18:21] <magespawn> hey Private_User 
[18:22] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[18:22] <Private_User> theblazehen, Gotango, magespawn, sup
[18:22] <theblazehen> hey Kilos 
[18:23] <magespawn> i have two server machines at work running trusty tahr (spelling?) which is the development branch
[18:25] <magespawn> seems pretty stable so far
[18:29] <theblazehen> 14.something?
[18:29] <Kilos> what kinda os is that?
[18:29] <theblazehen> Kilos, ubuntu I believe
[18:29] <Kilos> aha
[18:35] <somaunn> theblazehen: Yes Ubutnu 14.04
[18:35] <Kilos> aha
[18:36] <Kilos> before they even released hey magespawn 
[18:36] <theblazehen> ty somaunn, magespawn: 14.04 server? advantages over 13.10?
[18:36] <Kilos> lts
[18:36] <theblazehen> Kilos, ah, ty
[18:38] <somaunn> theblazehen: here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/
[18:38] <theblazehen> somaunn, ty
[18:39] <somaunn> theblazehen: can be better but need to make sure before installing, it's still in devel version
[18:40] <theblazehen> somaunn, yeah. Well I'll just wait till there is an OpenVZ image available
[18:54] <Kilos> im gonna use 12.04 for a year still
[19:01] <magespawn> theblazehen, have not really noticed anything yet, they are not production machines, more just for me to play and learn on
[19:02] <theblazehen> magespawn, kk, ty
[19:02] <magespawn> but no reboot or shutdowns yet
[19:03] <Kilos> thats a good sign
[19:03] <magespawn> indeed, also no problems with installed software
[19:03] <Kilos> cool
[19:04] <Kilos> its just the updates on new releases thats stopping me
[19:05] <Kilos> already collection 8.7g packages for 12.04
[19:05] <somaunn> Kilos: don't understand !
[19:05] <somaunn> 8.7 for upgrading from 12.04 to ?
[19:06] <Kilos> i save all the archives so if i need to reinstall i dont have all that downloading again
[19:07] <Kilos> its now 12.03.3
[19:07] <Kilos> but i got packages from when it first came out
[19:07] <somaunn> ok, i see. by archive you means like a kind of local repo
[19:07] <Kilos> havent worked out how to only keep relevant ones
[19:07] <Kilos> yeah
[19:08] <Kilos> copy /var/cache/apt/archives/ to /storage
[19:08] <Kilos> use rsync though not cp
[19:10] <somaunn> Kilos: i see 
[19:10] <somaunn> Kilos: from what i know the full repo can go up to 40Gig
[19:11] <somaunn> but that was years ago
[19:11] <Kilos> yeah
[19:11] <somaunn> 2009 to be precise
[19:11] <Kilos> massive but most you never use
[19:11] <somaunn> Kilos: you'r right
[19:12] <Kilos> getting the whole repo is a waste for a ptivate person
[19:12] <Kilos> ok for large companies but them they dont have internet caps
[19:13] <magespawn> lots of people also do not have any caps, and 40 gig is not so much
[19:14] <magespawn> thinks i must do that on the work connection
[19:14] <Gotango> Is an OpenBIOS a good idea when the original Bios dont give any kind of configuration options ?
[19:15] <Kilos> yeah its only mainly mobile peeps that suffer
[19:15] <magespawn> Gotango, never used it, so i have no idea
[19:15] <Kilos> no bios options?
[19:16] <Kilos> has hp locked it?
[19:16] <Kilos> whew
[19:16] <Gotango> Ok magespawn
[19:16] <Kilos> must be some way to get in
[19:16] <magespawn> is this the right page http://www.openfirmware.info/Welcome_to_OpenBIOS ?
[19:16] <Gotango> It just reads some basic hardware stats and tests the drives , nothing more
[19:17] <magespawn> Kilos the older bios did not give very many options
[19:17] <Kilos> sometimes if you in bios you hit ctrl+f1 and more shows
[19:17] <Gotango> Ya like that magespawn, but dunno how reliable it will be
[19:17] <Kilos> award bios that is
[19:18] <magespawn> you need to be certain that it will run your machine properly because it will be difficult to recover it, if not impossible
[19:18] <Kilos> what do you want to do in bios?
[19:18] <Gotango> hmm ok i understand magespawn
[19:19] <Gotango> So i guess a cli program will be best to test or set temperature and fan type settings
[19:19] <Kilos> main things needed are date and time and boot drives
[19:20] <Kilos> no smart fan settings there?
[19:21] <Gotango> My fan is running fine and calm. My hard drive is suddenly getting hotter my charger too aswell as the touch pad above the hard drive
[19:22] <Kilos> hard drives normally get so hot you cant touch them
[19:23] <Gotango> I think so. Its just the touch pad next to it its uncomfortable moving the mouse
[19:23] <magespawn> there is  a cli program to show drive activity i think
[19:24]  * Gotango needs his fingerprints to vote
[19:24] <magespawn> in kde there are widgets that will show you system activity
[19:24] <magespawn> so there might be something like that for unity
[19:25] <Gotango> Thanks magespawn i will try search for something like that
[19:26] <magespawn> have found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DiskPerformance
[19:26] <Gotango> acpitz-virtual-0
[19:26] <Gotango> Adapter: Virtual device
[19:26] <Gotango> temp1:        +63.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[19:26] <Gotango> temp2:        +30.0°C  (crit = +105.0°C)
[19:26] <Gotango> k10temp-pci-00c3
[19:26] <Gotango> Adapter: PCI adapter
[19:26] <Gotango> temp1:        +63.8°C  (high = +70.0°C)
[19:26] <Gotango>                        (crit = +100.0°C, hyst = +95.0°C)
[19:27] <Gotango> Thats normal i guess, dunno where the HDD heat is coming from
[19:27] <Gotango> Thanks for the link
[19:29] <magespawn> np
[19:31] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight
[19:31] <Gotango> night Kilos 
[19:32] <magespawn> always goes before i say good night
[19:33] <Gotango> lol 
[19:33] <magespawn> that tool looks like it could be useful for monitoring a server performance over time, just pipe the output to a file to analyze later
[19:34] <Gotango> I'm trying to understand it magespawn but i'm a newbie in ubuntu, that looks like i will break something
[19:35] <magespawn> breaking things is part of learning, or so i have found
[19:36] <Gotango> Thats if you got backups lol , backups HHD's , backup pc etc...
[19:36] <Gotango> I dont have that luxury though
[19:36] <magespawn> generally the software gets problems before the hardware
[19:37] <magespawn> or in my experience 
[19:37] <magespawn> Gotango, what are your plans for the future?
[19:39] <Gotango> I dunno actually. I got a serious lung condition, i cant do electrition work anymore. So i will try making my hobby in web development my career
[19:40] <magespawn> there is money to be made there that is for sure
[19:40] <Gotango> electrical*
[19:40] <magespawn> once you get known then you can take work from all over the world
[19:41] <Gotango> ya thats true. I got some good ideas on how to be different than all the others in my field. So being unique and creative is a big plus
[19:42] <magespawn> indeed and the barriers to entry are not too high
[19:44] <magespawn> there are a couple of sites out there for free lancers to advertise on
[19:44] <Gotango> I will stick to php, python as the backend , and ofcourse html,css,javascript at front end. The more i focus on them the better i will get in producing great applications
[19:46] <Gotango> Yeah i got a few such sites . But for me its better to start local, with people close to other people i know that need it
[19:47] <Gotango> Being global is not on my mind right now
[19:48] <magespawn> well keep us up to date with developments, and i am sure that people will use you as time goes by 
[19:49] <Gotango> I will, and hope they do thanks
[19:49] <magespawn> right i am off to bed, good night all
[19:49] <Gotango> take care magespawn