[00:13] <KI7MT> Question, how do we maintain the LTS help for desktop, is is merely frozen in time when the LTS is releases?
[00:13] <KI7MT> *is it?
[00:16] <godbyk> I think we can release updates after the initial Ubuntu release, but I'm not sure.
[00:16] <dsmythies> KI7MT: In theory we can do SRU updates. In practice we have not. Actually, we just missed a language pack update release. Why? Because I saw the notice, but then forgot.
[00:17] <dsmythies> KI7MT: For serverguide (I know you were aksing about DeskTop) there is no SRU requirement, becuase it is not a package.
[00:18] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Yeah, there's only so many hours ins a day .. is there's a schedule posted for this? I have the LTS release skeds, but it does't have that level of detail on it.
[00:18] <dsmythies> KI7MT: The help.ubunut.com version of stuff does deviate a tiny bit from the DeskTop package, if we decide it is O.K.
[00:18] <dsmythies> godbyk: Recall the footer change, for example.
[00:21] <dsmythies> gobbyk: I want to change the order of some lines on the spreadsheet. Why? becuase I am trying to compate line by line with an Excel spread sheet I made from a directory listing, which I thn fed through a sort. Long sotry short, it is drving me nuts becuase the sort orders are not the same.
[00:22] <dsmythies> godbyk: Is that O.K. with you?
[00:22] <godbyk> dsmythies: Yeah, go for it!
[00:23] <dsmythies> godbyk: O.K.
[00:23] <godbyk> At one point the spreadsheet was in alphabetical order, but I think new pages were tacked on later.
[00:23] <godbyk> When I originally created the spreadsheet, it was just an alphabetized list of all the .page files.
[00:24] <dsmythies> godbyk: yes, but "ls -l" is weird for period and -. so I sorted using a dosbox and windows sort and still have grief.
[00:25] <godbyk> ah
[01:06] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Are you able to select spreadsheet cell number A322? I can not select it, but rather get turfed to cell A325. (not that it matters right now.) (windows-key.page line)
[01:07] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Hold on I'll go check.
[01:08] <dsmythies> KI7MT: looks O.K> for you.
[01:09] <KI7MT> Yep, I can select it.
[01:09] <dsmythies> hmmm... I'm done, so I think I'll close my broswer and try again later. Thanks.
[01:10] <KI7MT> Ok CUL
[01:11] <dsmythies> KI7MT: godbyk: Spreadsheet and files should now compare, except those new ones KI7MT is adding, that are not yet master docs.
[01:12] <dsmythies> KI7MT: godbyk: Spreadsheet and files should now compare, except those new ones KI7MT is adding, that are not yet in master docs.
[01:12] <godbyk> dsmythies: Cool. Thanks for your help.
[05:09] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Have you looked at or played with the Files Application (new version of Nautulis File Manager) in Trusty?
[05:30] <dsmythies> Ki7MT: Yes I have.
[05:33] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I use it often, because I have absolutely no clue how to navigate around the help system. So almost universally, I use the "files" thingy to select the .page file I want to look at and then right click and select "open with" then select help. Then I pop up levels to figure out it got there.
[05:34] <KI7MT> All I can say is, that interface is Horrible.
[05:34] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I like it.
[05:35] <KI7MT> They removed all the menu's, and stuck a few icons up all the system icons and that's it.
[05:35] <KI7MT> *stuck icons near system icons
[05:37] <dsmythies> KI7MT: There is some text if you hover over the icons.
[05:38] <KI7MT> Just my opinion, I think that interface not very good at all.
[05:41] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I am adding a note to the MP.
[05:41] <KI7MT> Most apps, certainly not all, still have a top bar menu system of some kind, even if they stick cryptic icons here and there. The Files Apps removed them I guess, maybe an oversight, intentional I don't know.
[05:42] <KI7MT> What MP ?
[05:43] <dsmythies> KI7MT: https://code.launchpad.net/~ki7mt/ubuntu-docs/lp1269100-fix/+merge/201679
[05:44] <godbyk> KI7MT: It's intentional. A number of other GNOME apps are following suit (e.g., Evince).
[05:45] <KI7MT> godbyk, Yeah, but in Unity we dont have the short cuts in place that they do in Gnome3
[05:46] <godbyk> I think the Ubuntu devs are trying to bring back some pull-down menus for some of those apps.
[05:46] <KI7MT> Of the two, I find the Gnome DE much easier to Navigate, but not always as easy to use, if that make sense.
[05:52] <KI7MT> wow, there's 18 files in the files-x.page group.
[05:54] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I got you email, I guess it can wait until some picks up editing the document-x.page files then, as there a mess.
[05:56] <KI7MT> I need to install Gnome3 on my desktop .. I'm writing up some cheat-sheets and Gedit Code Snippets.
[05:57] <KI7MT> for Mallard that is.
[06:00] <dsmythies> KI7MT: I am not clear on what you saying. Are you saying you are bailing on the MP?
[06:02] <KI7MT> dsmythies, If you don't like it, reject, I put what I thought was best on it, you strongly disagree, not much more need be said really.
[06:03] <dsmythies> KI7MT: O.K. thanks for clarifying. And thanks again for helping. I'll take over the MP from here.
[06:09] <KI7MT> dsmythies, Ok, sorry was on my other box. Ok will take those off my task list then.
[06:15] <KI7MT> dsmythies, there's a bug open for the other 11 document-x.page files, may want to work that file with the other, but is up to you.
[06:28] <KI7MT> dsmythies, I moved the bug back to new, and put it back to unassigned .. I'll put the branch and you can start clean on this.
[06:29] <KI7MT> *pull the branch
[07:25] <dsmythies> KI7MT: Ugh oh... That isn't what I wanted at all. I was planning to accep the MP but restore a portion of documents-viewgrid.page at the same time. It would then need further editing, in future, as part of the overhaul that you correctly pointed out all of that group of files needs.