[00:13] Question, how do we maintain the LTS help for desktop, is is merely frozen in time when the LTS is releases? [00:13] *is it? [00:16] I think we can release updates after the initial Ubuntu release, but I'm not sure. [00:16] KI7MT: In theory we can do SRU updates. In practice we have not. Actually, we just missed a language pack update release. Why? Because I saw the notice, but then forgot. [00:17] KI7MT: For serverguide (I know you were aksing about DeskTop) there is no SRU requirement, becuase it is not a package. [00:18] dsmythies, Yeah, there's only so many hours ins a day .. is there's a schedule posted for this? I have the LTS release skeds, but it does't have that level of detail on it. [00:18] KI7MT: The help.ubunut.com version of stuff does deviate a tiny bit from the DeskTop package, if we decide it is O.K. [00:18] godbyk: Recall the footer change, for example. [00:21] gobbyk: I want to change the order of some lines on the spreadsheet. Why? becuase I am trying to compate line by line with an Excel spread sheet I made from a directory listing, which I thn fed through a sort. Long sotry short, it is drving me nuts becuase the sort orders are not the same. [00:22] godbyk: Is that O.K. with you? [00:22] dsmythies: Yeah, go for it! [00:23] godbyk: O.K. [00:23] At one point the spreadsheet was in alphabetical order, but I think new pages were tacked on later. [00:23] When I originally created the spreadsheet, it was just an alphabetized list of all the .page files. [00:24] godbyk: yes, but "ls -l" is weird for period and -. so I sorted using a dosbox and windows sort and still have grief. [00:25] ah [01:06] KI7MT: Are you able to select spreadsheet cell number A322? I can not select it, but rather get turfed to cell A325. (not that it matters right now.) (windows-key.page line) [01:07] dsmythies, Hold on I'll go check. [01:08] KI7MT: looks O.K> for you. [01:09] Yep, I can select it. [01:09] hmmm... I'm done, so I think I'll close my broswer and try again later. Thanks. [01:10] Ok CUL [01:11] KI7MT: godbyk: Spreadsheet and files should now compare, except those new ones KI7MT is adding, that are not yet master docs. [01:12] KI7MT: godbyk: Spreadsheet and files should now compare, except those new ones KI7MT is adding, that are not yet in master docs. [01:12] dsmythies: Cool. Thanks for your help. [05:09] dsmythies, Have you looked at or played with the Files Application (new version of Nautulis File Manager) in Trusty? [05:30] Ki7MT: Yes I have. [05:33] KI7MT: I use it often, because I have absolutely no clue how to navigate around the help system. So almost universally, I use the "files" thingy to select the .page file I want to look at and then right click and select "open with" then select help. Then I pop up levels to figure out it got there. [05:34] All I can say is, that interface is Horrible. [05:34] KI7MT: I like it. [05:35] They removed all the menu's, and stuck a few icons up all the system icons and that's it. [05:35] *stuck icons near system icons [05:37] KI7MT: There is some text if you hover over the icons. [05:38] Just my opinion, I think that interface not very good at all. [05:41] KI7MT: I am adding a note to the MP. [05:41] Most apps, certainly not all, still have a top bar menu system of some kind, even if they stick cryptic icons here and there. The Files Apps removed them I guess, maybe an oversight, intentional I don't know. [05:42] What MP ? [05:43] KI7MT: https://code.launchpad.net/~ki7mt/ubuntu-docs/lp1269100-fix/+merge/201679 [05:44] KI7MT: It's intentional. A number of other GNOME apps are following suit (e.g., Evince). [05:45] godbyk, Yeah, but in Unity we dont have the short cuts in place that they do in Gnome3 [05:46] I think the Ubuntu devs are trying to bring back some pull-down menus for some of those apps. [05:46] Of the two, I find the Gnome DE much easier to Navigate, but not always as easy to use, if that make sense. [05:52] wow, there's 18 files in the files-x.page group. [05:54] dsmythies, I got you email, I guess it can wait until some picks up editing the document-x.page files then, as there a mess. [05:56] I need to install Gnome3 on my desktop .. I'm writing up some cheat-sheets and Gedit Code Snippets. [05:57] for Mallard that is. [06:00] KI7MT: I am not clear on what you saying. Are you saying you are bailing on the MP? [06:02] dsmythies, If you don't like it, reject, I put what I thought was best on it, you strongly disagree, not much more need be said really. [06:03] KI7MT: O.K. thanks for clarifying. And thanks again for helping. I'll take over the MP from here. [06:09] dsmythies, Ok, sorry was on my other box. Ok will take those off my task list then. [06:15] dsmythies, there's a bug open for the other 11 document-x.page files, may want to work that file with the other, but is up to you. [06:28] dsmythies, I moved the bug back to new, and put it back to unassigned .. I'll put the branch and you can start clean on this. [06:29] *pull the branch [07:25] KI7MT: Ugh oh... That isn't what I wanted at all. I was planning to accep the MP but restore a portion of documents-viewgrid.page at the same time. It would then need further editing, in future, as part of the overhaul that you correctly pointed out all of that group of files needs.