[00:04] Never. === Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away [00:09] Hello [00:09] Wassname: never say never [00:10] Could you recommend a decent IRC client? [00:11] Wassname: xchat [00:11] it's in the software center [00:11] I'm using XChat Gnome. [00:11] xchat gnome is bad, use xchat [00:11] Use online freenode ? [00:12] Cheers. I'll remove it right away . [00:12] Xchat-gnome isn't that bad [00:12] apart from the whole being bad thing, sure [00:12] why is it bad then ? [00:13] from what I hear it's heavily featured limited, but I haven't actually tried it myself [00:14] i have it was fine i changed distros so i got xchat normal [00:14] * Azelphur shrugs [00:14] Ok then [00:19] 188 updates for my 2k3 server [00:20] \o/ [00:20] Fresh install [00:20] oh, there'll be more yet then [00:20] Maybe [00:21] Got most of them except .net 4.0 [00:22] No need for it just needed a pdc and wdm ubuntu server cant do wdm sadly [00:22] hi everybody ı connetting to turkey [00:22] Done. [00:22] and ı have a problem pls help me [00:22] wdm? [00:22] XChat instant;y better than XChat Gnome. [00:22] ı wanna dowload network maneger for ubuntu 12.4 lts [00:22] Windows deployment [00:22] pls help me [00:23] woh can ı dowload [00:23] how* [00:23] aah [00:23] Apt-get [00:23] apt-get? [00:23] network manager isn't already installed?! [00:23] apt-get networkmanger? [00:23] ? [00:23] Maybe [00:23] :D [00:23] ı like this chanel [00:23] guys :D [00:23] Most distros come preinstalled [00:23] very nice [00:24] no [00:25] ı try but ı dont found [00:25] pls anyone help me [00:25] Google it [00:25] :D [00:25] ı don't find [00:25] my friend [00:25] I know its there i had to do it once [00:25] usually ı use windows [00:25] Oh [00:26] but ı like ubuntu [00:26] and ı leanr beginer :) [00:26] learn* [00:26] similary my english :) [00:26] Lol [00:26] :D [00:27] I'm sure your English is much better than our collective Turkish :-p [00:27] arc can u help me [00:27] pls [00:27] :)))) [00:27] What does rm -rf / do [00:27] .danger [00:27] Can u get to a pc with internet [00:27] !danger [00:27] DO NOT RUN THAT COMMAND! That particular command is DANGEROUS and shouldn't be uttered here. REST OF YOU: DANGER, WILL ROBINSON, DANGER! Do not use the command or utter it here thank you! [00:27] there we go [00:27] ı connecting no [00:28] for Local area network [00:28] but ı wanna use [00:28] wireless [00:28] but my wireless don't working [00:29] that because it need restricted drivers [00:29] no [00:29] drivers full [00:29] :) [00:29] ı know [00:29] ım studying computer engrenering :9 [00:29] Ok [00:29] :) [00:29] arc_ [00:30] Can someone help me set up the connection to irc.taphouse.org via XChat please? Talk me through the steps? [00:30] Yea [00:31] I am not using a pc sk it hard to help unless i can remember lol [00:31] So [00:31] What are you using? [00:31] Tablet [00:32] Nice one. [00:32] I have team viwer on it as well :D [00:32] The power i hold [00:32] Hah! [00:32] I should do a advert [00:33] Anyway i got go got to wake on lan at 7:15 for school [00:33] Too many got's [00:34] arc_ [00:34] are you there? [00:35] Yea got to sleep sorry [00:35] my friend pls search for me network manager ubuntu lts 12,04,03 [00:35] pls give me a adreess [00:35] my friend ı can't found [00:35] for me friend :) [00:36] Trust me google network manager applet ubuntu install [00:46] anybody is there? [00:46] sorta [00:46] dafty [00:46] can you help me? [00:46] pls [00:46] ask a question [00:47] ı wanna dowload network manager for ubuntu lts 12.04.03 [00:47] pls help me my friend [00:47] it's built in [00:48] how can ı call it [00:48] so you installed 12.04.3 desktop? [00:48] network manager is the little network icon top right [00:50] yes [00:50] ı can dowload [00:50] lts 12.04.3 [00:50] download what? [00:50] for debian [00:50] pocket [00:50] buy ı wanna [00:50] but [00:50] * [00:51] network manger [00:51] because [00:51] stop pressing enter [00:52] soryy- ı can't connecting to wriles [00:52] where are you from? perhaps a channel for your language would be a better idea [00:54] :D [00:54] turkey [00:54] my friend [00:55] but my english not very well so, ı learn it :9 [00:55] hmm, not even sure what a turkish channel would be [00:55] what's your two letter country code? :D [00:57] :D [00:57] but ın turkey time is 02:57 :) [00:57] ah-har [00:57] everybody is sleep :D [00:57] i'm the only one awake UK time and i'm a bit drunk [00:57] :D [00:57] so i'm afraid i am no help tonight :( [00:57] hahaha [00:57] oke [00:58] thanks for answer [00:58] and help for english :) [00:58] good luck! there's always #ubuntu too [00:58] thanks [00:58] my friend [00:59] have nice day [00:59] one day ı learning english :) [00:59] may be we talk coreectly :) [03:31] thank god that #wordpress has people from all timezones to keep me awake when I can't be bothered to go to bed [05:33] hey that's not fair, it's not wp-uk. of course it's full of -5's [05:36] you in -uk? [05:37] I'm not sure what you're asking. insert coffee and try again? [05:38] wp-uk? [05:38] oh, nah, I'm just pointing out you're comparing apples to oranges [05:38] aah [06:31] well, here's some early morning entertainment; http://www.finegael.ie/latest-news/2013/odonovan-calls-for-crackd/ "TD for Limerick, Patrick O' Donovan has called for tougher controls on the use of open source internet browsers .." [06:36] shauno: is it april 1st? [06:36] it's always april 1st in ireland [06:37] wtf?! [06:37] that's nuts [06:37] I .. huh? .. I .. wtf?! [06:38] you've completely broken my brain now [06:38] what action is he referring to in the last paragraph that the us agencies have done? [06:39] I think they're referring to Tor [06:40] or rather; I hope they're referring to Tor, as it's the least painful enterpretation I can think of [07:06] morning all [07:11] o/ [07:48] Morning [07:48] diddledan: saw greg-kh mention ye olde steam os on G+ this morning ☻ [07:48] s/diddledan/directhex/ [07:48] diddledan: "you can't even", is the expression, I think [08:26] Morning all [08:26] morning [08:40] oh this is awesome. java update is breaking people's access to some oracle app. left hand, meet right hand [08:44] morning everyone. [08:45] ih ♥ my charger finally arrived [09:01] Urf. Is it home time yet? [09:01] Oh wait, I work from home [09:01] * TwistedLucidity crawls back into bed [09:08] TwistedLucidity: pah! [09:15] Bah. IT's one of those mornings where I wish Jabber just did the right thing [09:15] Or, rather, where I didn't turn my laptop off before coming in to work === roht is now known as wadzi [09:32] hi [09:36] Morning [09:38] Goood Morning! [09:42] hello [09:44] \o [09:46] anyone know how simple it would be to have Virtualmin create two unix users per website? [09:48] TwistedLucidity: I know the feelings [09:49] sup guys? [09:51] is it a bird? is it a plane? is it a nerd? no it's SuperMatt [09:51] I was answer yes to that third question [09:51] :-p [09:51] me too [09:52] ugg, my home server has decided to slow to a crawl [09:53] htop ftw [09:54] yarr [09:54] I'm swapping for some reason [09:55] swapoff [09:58] wax on, wax off [10:47] one website made live [10:47] \o/ [10:47] go team me! [10:49] http://www.supermatt.net/2014/01/always-mock-adobe/ [10:49] i temporarily just lost another aws ec2 instance [10:49] lolz [10:50] lit one up on monday, brand new instance, it died on monday night, and another one went phut for 25 minutes [10:50] neuro: not good [10:50] we got a notification yesterday morning that the one from monday would be retired at the end of the month [10:50] neuro: software error inside the instance, or Amazon messing with things? [10:50] which is aws speak for "the underlying physical hardware has died on it's arse, sucks to be you" [10:51] and of course i keep apache logs in the ephemeral (instance) storage ... doh [10:51] SuperMatt: I like that minimalist layout yet still having furniture around the edge [10:51] MartijnVdS: host failure [10:51] If your EC2 instances aren't disposable you're doing it wrong [10:52] BigRedS: sure but having to spin up a new instance every few days because of host failre is Amazon doing it wrong [10:52] BigRedS: it's an infra i inherited, i haven't done anything to make the apache logs smarter yet [10:52] Oh, AWS in general is Amazon doing it wrong. But that's what you signed up for [10:52] diddledan: it's the new deafault theme in wordpress [10:52] so strange [10:52] SuperMatt: ooh [10:52] i can connect to my bt wireless but not virgin :) [10:52] BigRedS: it's possible to keep instances running for years without issue [10:53] yeah, but it's a bit silly to rely on it [10:53] not really [10:53] you're basically saying no vps infrastructure should be relied upon [10:54] if you're saying ec2 instances should be treated as disposable, why have ebs? [10:54] No, I'm saying that AWS is designed such that replacement is easier than repair [10:54] strikes me as odd that amazon don't do live migrations to shuffle vms about [10:54] they just repaired the instance that died [10:54] it came back up on the same host as the instance storage wasn't emptied [10:54] (which is good for me as i haven't lost 10 hrs of apache logs) [10:55] so if it's hard to dump one VM for a freshly brewed one it seems you're missing the point [10:55] that's kind of an unfair statement [10:56] VMs can be ephemeral if that's what you need them to be, but it's also about being able to aggregate and condense physical hardware [10:57] I'd say more traditional VPS hosting is more suited to the latter than is AWS [10:57] "traditional"? [10:58] yeah, where you rent a virtualised machine and treat it as if it were a real one [10:58] how is that different from aws? [10:58] i'm not trying to start a fight btw, i'm genuinely curious where you're coming from [10:58] well, you can do that on AWS [10:59] but on AWS when you have a new version of your thing to deploy you create a new AMI and spin up new VMs with it then direct the load balancer at them [10:59] i dont get why everyone wants all this cloud infrastructure etc whats wrong with just housing your own servers..storage and everything is cheap enough? [10:59] on a normal VPS you'd probably upgrade in-place is if it were a machine that's harder to replace [10:59] mapps: trebling capacity for an hour a day is hard to do by yourself [10:59] mapps: because you can switch the hardware from underneath yourself without massive outlay [11:00] for example. The big draw of The Cloud is the flexibility. You also make a lot of boring problems someone else's [11:00] (and, as a result, end up beholden to their solutions) [11:00] well, sort of [11:00] ok so any boring problems i.e. connectivity/downtime is theres yea? i get that [11:00] there are plenty of ways to treat your deployment as agnostic as possible [11:00] but then you have entire complete cintrol if its your own HW [11:01] you only have complete control if the hardware is sitting right beside you [11:01] yeah, but sometimes scalability is more important than what colour the patch cables are [11:01] ^ this [11:01] yea i guess thats true you can scale up easily in a matter of minutes [11:01] Morning all [11:01] "oh my site is being slashdotted, hang on while i light up 50 more web servers and bung them into the load balancer" [11:01] Good morning all; happy Hat Day! :-D [11:01] done, takes a few minutes [11:01] yeah, exactly [11:01] if i had say an aws server or something -- can you run any servers you want [11:01] within reason [11:01] do you get dedicated IPv6/ipv6? [11:01] no [11:01] but [11:01] assumign the load balancer doesn't fall over :) [11:02] you can get ipv6 on the load balancers [11:02] BigRedS: been there ;) [11:02] i see [11:02] ipv6 for instances is on the roadmap [11:02] but you can make your load balancer ipv4, ipv6 or dual stack responsive [11:02] i just wondered so dedicated ipv4 for yourself so you could run any servers using any port? [11:02] so you can pretend your site is ipv6 enabled [11:02] neuro: yeah - "It seems traffic picked up too quickly. If you warn us beforehand next time we'll warm it up" [11:02] BigRedS: scumbag amazon ;) [11:03] mapps: yeah, you can assign an "elastic IP", which is basically a static IP [11:03] otherwise when you stop and start your instance, you get a new IP [11:03] right, thanks.. [11:03] yea [11:03] neuro: well, it's what we pay them pittance for :) I also liked the way their '99.9% guaranteed uptime' always seemed to translate to '0.1% guaranteed downtime' [11:03] and they allow anything so i could run openVPN and apache? [11:03] but if you request an elastic IP and don't assign it to an instance, you're charged for it [11:03] but I've not been there for a couple of years, maybe they're better now [11:03] "allow anything" ... within reason [11:04] you can light up a stock 12.04 AMI and do what you want on it [11:04] but some things are restricted [11:04] mapps: yeah, you spin up a server and it's yours. It's exactly like having a physical box except all the hardware's imaginary [11:04] thats interesting..but if you use the static IP you arent charged [11:04] so it's like having a physical box that's in another room [11:04] i.e. traffic is billable over a certain usage threshold, smtp is rate limited and can be blocked if you breach a threshold limit, etc [11:04] ahh [11:04] probably not cost effective for personal individual use? [11:04] well it depends what your usage case is [11:05] a t1.micro is probably sufficient for something just to ssh into and do vpn proxying etc [11:05] there is a free tier [11:05] well i wouldnt really have any use beyonds messing about [11:05] oh really..didnt know there was a free plan [11:05] and if you stay within the bundled usage limits, your costs would be reasonably predictable [11:05] yeah, if you're a new customer [11:05] you can get a t1.micro for a year for free [11:05] well, it lasts a year and it's really hard to make it be actually free [11:06] ah [11:06] I used it for odds-and-sods for ~$3/month or thereabouts. But I do also have a real-life machine elsewhere that I use for most things [11:06] http://aws.amazon.com/free/ [11:06] basically you can get a 1 cpu, 613MB RAM, 30GB disk VM for a year [11:07] as long as you stay within 2m IOPS, you're fine [11:07] can't remember what the free traffic level is [11:08] 2m IOPS? [11:08] aha [11:08] omfg [11:08] data transfer in = free [11:08] why did I ever think a wireless keyboard would be good [11:08] data transfer out to internet, 1GB free [11:08] lol Laney [11:08] 1GB-10TB = 12c/GB [11:08] most people say they are [11:08] never used one myself [11:08] yeah until it dies in the middle of a sentence [11:08] * Laney goes to root around for AAAs [11:09] yeah, IOPS [11:09] il try the free plan then [11:09] reads/writes to/from the disk [11:10] why on earth can't i connect to my virgin wireless? just says 'taking longer than usual' no pass wrong etc nd it works on my laptop downstairs [11:10] cant think what it could be ;/ [11:10] this is why i don't use ISP-provided routers [11:10] pfsense + airport extreme FTW [11:11] Oh man, the network at my dad's is a horriffic collection of great ideas about replacing networking things [11:11] I like the looks of the new linksys 802.11ac router--theyve been woking with openWRT to make it work with it [11:11] last weekend I found we had no DHCP servers at all there, the weekend before there were three giving out leases on two different subnets... [11:11] that's neat!# [11:11] nice [11:11] lol [11:11] on one network BigRedS 3 dhcp how?! [11:12] my folks had an openreach engineer round on saturday trying to figure out why their infinity was being crap [11:12] There's the ISP router, a Netger thingy that's supposed to be relaying to upstairs and a D-Link one to cover the garden [11:12] turns out the Kelly Communications guys messed up the NTE5 replacement [11:12] but while troubleshooting, openreach bod reset their home hub [11:12] doh [11:12] and, every so often, one or both of the DHCP servers that's supposed to have DHCP turned off forgets to not give out leases [11:12] the infinity heres been quite good for me so far- think its 75m bit [11:12] after i'd reconfigured it from 192.168.1 to 192.168.131, set up port forwarding and disabled onboard DHCP so their server upstairs could do dhcp [11:12] kelly comms? [11:13] and sometimes someone tries troubleshooting and forgets which one's supposed to be authoritative and we all switch to 10.0.0.something for a while [11:13] yeah, the crowd that openreach subcontract installs out ot [11:13] ah [11:13] s/ot/to/ [11:13] BigRedS: wheee [11:13] subnet bingo [11:13] neuro: yeah, it's like working but more frustrating and for free [11:13] popey, thanks for letting me know, i don't pay attention to g+ usually [11:13] so i was raging at openreach bod but nothing i could really do about it since i wasn't there [11:13] popey, have you met greg? nice guy. [11:14] no [11:14] and i'd forgotten to warn my dad to say "don't reboot the home hub unless you really have to" [11:14] 'course, muggins here made it worse by configuring a pi to route between all possible networks and plugging that in to see if it'd help things carry on working... [11:14] we have 2 bt hub things with infinity too [11:14] so my dad was like "it seems to be working now, can you log in and check?" and i had to say no :P [11:14] i unplugged mine [11:14] waste of space [11:14] i still havent got a raspberry pi - keep thinking maybe i should get one [11:14] and the sky sagem piece of rubbish too [11:14] Mine's a solution looking for a problem, really [11:15] just plugged the openreach modems straight into the back of my ESXi server so pfsense could use them [11:15] I use my pi for DHCP / DNS [11:15] over the BT infinity hub [11:15] i've had an rpi for ages [11:15] yeah, I pondered that, but I've never really had issues with ISP hardware [11:15] still sitting in it's box [11:15] the DNS on the hub is slooooooooooooooooooooow [11:15] BigRedS: i moan, but they're usually ok, they just don't meet my usage requirements [11:15] and using that makes a good deal of the network into someone else's problem, which is my favourite sort of problem [11:16] namely ipv6 tunneling [11:16] do you not have 2 bt hubs for infinity? [11:16] me? no [11:16] not 2 hubs, no [11:16] oh [11:16] you get a VDSL modem and a hub [11:16] bt sent me a home hub 3, and i have a sagem thing from sky [11:16] there's two boxes; a modem and a router I think [11:16] for now [11:16] well, at my dad's, so lord knows what's supposed to be there [11:16] bt home hub 5 will have an integrated vdsl modem [11:17] what do you use ipv6 tunnelling for btw? ive seen you can get a tunnel from he.net for free-but what would i use it for [11:17] i have an he.net tunnel [11:17] i use it for ipv6 [11:17] yea but i meant what specifically [11:17] sorry if that's somewhat obvious [11:17] i use it to be online with ipv6 [11:17] so that if i want to use ipv6, i can [11:18] yea i get that but i cant see how i could use ipv6 i understand what it is and the tunnel [11:18] you use it the same way you'd use ipv4 [11:18] to connect to stuff [11:19] yea i just cant see the need for me now really? not everythings ipv6 enabled for one thing [11:19] no, but enough things are to make it useful [11:19]