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superflymaaz: tell kilos good morning05:21
Maazsuperfly: Sure, I'll tell Kilos on freenode05:21
Kilosmorning all06:49
Kiloslte today , been fighting modem that wouldnt work even though connected. hehe no data on06:52
Kiloss/lte/late06:52
Kilossigh!07:01
Kiloshi mazal bduk1 07:01
mazalMôre oom07:05
Kiloslo Gotango 07:12
GotangoHi Kilos07:12
Kilosfound out what was the prob with the airtime ian got me07:12
Kilosthe twit got lanline airtime07:12
GotangoNice , lol that's just stupid07:13
Kilosyeah too busy playing with whatsapp on cell to concentrate07:14
Kilosfrustrates me no end07:14
GotangoYa , The bbm's, and whatsapps can distract the young mind alot07:15
Gotangoits good to take a break from it now and again07:15
Kiloshe is 36 or 37 man07:15
Gotangooh , then only explination is female based or as you said just a twit lol07:17
Kilossigh07:21
GotangoWb Kilos07:21
Kilosty stupid modem disconnecxted07:21
Kilosone day ill get a telkom usb modem07:22
GotangoAslong as it does'nt happen alot it should be fine07:22
GotangoThats good07:23
Kilosthis is ians zte that cant work on windows and he has my never die arab modem07:23
GotangoAah , the kids gotta have the best :)07:25
Kilosna it was me that felt sorry for him because he works with win clients all the time07:26
Kilosi even installed teamviewer here so he could fix clients pcs07:27
GotangoOh then more reason for him to have it , until he can get his own one07:28
Kilosyeah07:28
GotangoIs jupiter a good option for hardware configuration, i see it aint in synaptics07:30
Kilosthe hardware in your pc?07:31
Kiloswhat do you wanna configure07:31
GotangoYes07:32
Kilosto see hardware type in lspci07:32
Kilosbut i dunno what you wanna conf07:32
GotangoFeatures07:32
Gotango Automatically adjusts CPU mode for AC or battery07:32
Gotango Automatically tunes the kernel for AC or battery07:32
Gotango Automatically tunes hardware for AC or battery07:32
Gotango Supports Asus Super Hybrid Engine (SHE)07:32
Gotango Remembers and applies last selected configuration07:32
Gotango Fast and efficient, low resource utilization07:32
Gotango Easily Customizable07:32
GotangoInstall jupiter in ubuntu07:32
GotangoOpen the terminal and run the following commands07:32
Gotangosudo add-apt-repository ppa:webupd8team/jupiter07:32
Gotango sudo apt-get update07:32
Gotango sudo apt-get install jupiter07:32
GotangoThe aboove07:33
Gotangoabove*07:33
Kilosna i dont need that stuff. mine works07:33
GotangoI'm gona install it after the graphics driver update07:34
GotangoAlso gona remove all nvidia stuff after the graphics update07:35
Kilosok07:36
GotangoAm i still your student ?07:36
Kilosya07:36
Gotangooh07:36
Kiloslol07:36
GotangoIt seems i graduated myself in some weird way lol07:37
Kilosthats the modern way. we'll see if you need help still. that will define who is the student07:38
Kiloslike matrics pass and want managerial posts to start working07:38
Kilossigh07:39
GotangoYa true07:39
bduk1Morning All07:46
GotangoHi bduk107:48
GotangoHi Vince-008:02
Kiloshi Vince-0 08:02
Kilosai! change mouse and knock power cvable out08:10
Kiloscable too08:11
Vince-0Hi08:11
Kiloswb Gotango somaunn 08:28
Kiloshi Squirm all good?08:29
Gotangoty Kilos08:31
Squirmmorning08:34
SquirmKilos: all good08:34
Squirmthat side?08:34
Kilosyeah good ty08:34
GotangoHey Squirm and somaunn08:35
Kiloshi Xethron psyatw 09:20
* Kilos greets the fly09:21
psyatwhi Kilos09:25
psyatwhi Xethron09:25
Xethronhi hi09:25
Gotangohey Xethron and psyatw09:28
charlgood morning09:29
charlMaaz: coffee on09:30
* Maaz washes some mugs09:30
charlhi psyatw, Xethron, Gotango, Kilos 09:30
GotangoHi charl09:30
Kiloshi charl 09:30
KilosMaaz, coffee please09:30
MaazKilos: Yessir09:30
psyatwhi charl09:30
somaunnHi All09:30
KilosGotango, if you really tight with data you open maaz in pm and get hime to google for you. then you get 4 best links09:31
GotangoI see Kilos, thanks09:31
GotangoI just wana get java to work right here though and run opera mini emulator without needing to use 50% cpu. I used to save tons of data with that09:32
psyatwhi Gotango09:33
psyatwhi somaunn09:33
psyatwI download the JDK and put it in my path09:33
Gotango30kb to open a 500kb webpage09:33
MaazCoffee's ready for charl and Kilos!09:34
Gotangopsyatw i got the OpenJDK here09:34
GotangoI think thats the issue , since OpenJDK is not the real java JRE09:35
KilosMaaz, ty09:38
MaazYou are welcome Kilos09:38
Kiloshi sakhi 09:38
charlMaaz: thank you09:41
Maazcharl: No problem09:41
Kilosholy moly09:57
Kiloshttps://imageshack.com/i/n86ammj09:57
charlwhat does the bat say10:24
charlthat bat probably swallows a human whole10:25
Kilosmassive hey10:25
Kilosunreal10:25
Gotangolol , SAPS can use that thing to catch criminals from the sky10:25
Kiloslol10:25
GotangoThose claws can decap a head lol10:26
Kilosyeah10:26
charli hear bats take small children10:27
Kilosi wonder if its not a hoax10:27
charlif that bat is a vampire then it would suck you dry, literally10:27
Kilossurely you dont get bats that size10:27
charlthat thing will have you for breakfast and then get peckish around 1110:28
Gotangolol10:29
Kiloshehe10:29
charlsorry i am being lame, i go back to work now10:29
Gotangocool movie prop though10:29
GotangoBig grasshopper thing at the back too10:31
Kilosaw my buntu appy died11:35
GotangoHmm , one never seems to know when a program is active or not from the dash. Everything looks as if its running ai.11:53
Kiloshuh11:54
GotangoWhy aint the "not running" programs labeled in a disabled type icon ?11:55
GotangoLike greyed out or something, those colors makes it look like the program is on11:56
Kiloshavent they got tick blocks11:56
Gotangooh lol forgot about those microscopic ticks11:57
Kilosi cant even find how to get there now11:57
Kilosif you get everything working as you like it then you can make a remastersys dvd of your running os11:58
GotangoUbuntu should do something about that , it will confuse the hell out of new users11:58
Kilosand use that in any pc to install or just use from dvd11:58
Kilosin remastersys you choose the backup mode and the dvd is identical to your system11:59
GotangoYou mean put the current system on dvd when i got the drivers installed 12:00
GotangoI mean the Ati drivers , no nvidia12:01
Kilosyes it makes it identical to your running pc12:05
Kilosif you boot from the live dvd you even have to put your password in12:05
Kilosgreat for reinstalls too12:06
Kilosthen you dont need to go looking for drivers and all your apps12:06
GotangoGreat, i will do that thanks Kilos :)12:06
Kilosyw12:07
GotangoBTW i did a little calculation12:07
Kilosyes?12:07
GotangoI took the proprietary graphics drivers size and added everything about AMD and ATI stuff in synaptics and i got 152456 kb12:08
Gotango152MB12:08
GotangoThe biggest one is fglrx 39MB , video driver for the Amd graphics accelerators12:11
GotangoAll of them are not installed yet12:12
GotangoI'm sure when they are extracted they will be far bigger. 12:23
* Gotango scared everyone away lol13:03
Kiloslol13:04
Kilosmazaand bduk knock off at 3pm13:04
Kilosmazal 13:04
Gotangoi dont understand13:06
Kilosthey work till 313:06
Kilosand rarely here on weekends13:07
GotangoOh, that makes sense13:07
GotangoSo i guess in summer pc's work harder than in winter :/13:13
Kilosmust be but desktops dont seem to have same probs as lappies13:14
Kilosand place to add 2 more fans13:14
Kilos3 actually13:14
Gotangoya thats true. Desktops got it good, except for the power bill may be a bit higher13:15
Kilosyeah but dont need replacement betteries either13:15
Kilosim happ with dt pc13:16
Kilostrying to decide if fan better on side cover or back panel13:18
GotangoMaybe if i got my own place again and a steady income, i will get a desktop again. But build my own mod. 13:18
Kilosyeah would be lekker to build a custom pc without cash restrictions13:19
Kiloslike Symmetria s one13:19
Kilosask him what it has cost him13:19
Kilosi think 68g ram alone13:19
GotangoMaybe better on the side to get that air out easier13:19
Gotangohuh ? R68000 ?13:20
Kilosi got big mesh section on back panel as well and that would suck over the cpu as well13:20
Kilosran of 68 gig13:20
Kilospc was more than that in total i think13:20
Gotangooh memory size. Thats alot of Ram13:21
Kilosyeah13:21
Kilossure he said pc was like 80k13:21
GotangoWhat does he use it for13:21
Kiloshe is a networking guy but also plays with photography13:22
Kilos10 mor 13 TB drives13:22
GotangoR80geez wow!13:22
Kiloslol13:23
Kilosinetpro, wen jy darem13:23
Gotangoawesome13:23
inetproKilos: stadig maar seker13:23
Kilosdidnt you see the link to his setup?13:24
Kilosmooi boetie hoe moed13:24
GotangoHey inetpro13:24
Kilos5 screens13:24
inetprohi Gotango13:24
GotangoProbably 4k screen setup13:24
KilosSymmetria, ping13:25
Kilosone screen is big as my room13:27
Kilosflat tv thing13:28
GotangoNice, he can probably control everything in his house too13:29
Kilos?13:34
GotangoThe most i will ever wana spend on a rig is 10k13:34
Kilosyou can get a nice pc for 10k13:35
Kilosgaming pc13:36
GotangoYa 8 cores cpu is good enough13:36
Kilosi7 an all13:36
Kilos3k for the cpu13:36
Kilosinetpro, storm dit daar in die dorp weer13:37
Kiloslyk my weer kom van daai kant13:37
inetproek sien net donkerte13:37
Kilosai!13:38
Kilosek hhor donderweer maar nog ver13:38
Kiloshoor13:38
Kiloslaaste een was nader13:38
Kilosoh Gotango does your lappie auto connect to the net13:40
Kilos12.04 gave me grey hair with that prob13:42
GotangoNope Kilos, i like to start it myself though13:42
Kilosah13:42
GotangoMy startup apps list is empty 13:42
Kilosshould be a script there but its made for 8ta13:43
GotangoI dont want any kind of Os doing anything automaticly, without me knowing about it lol13:43
Kiloslol13:44
GotangoJust typing the iftop command alot is a bit annoying13:45
Kiloshahaha13:45
GotangoShould'nt there be a way to make the doller $ sign a hash # in the terminal13:46
Kiloswhy?13:46
Kiloslook in settings keyboard and options or layout13:46
Kiloslots stuff in there like compose key13:47
GotangoI think i saw you set that if you dont wana type in your pw all the time with sudo13:47
Kilosfor making ° signs etc13:47
Kilos°13:47
GotangoI think its a terminal thing though not a keyborad shortcut13:48
Gotangokeyboard*13:48
Kilosno man you set it up in settings then the terminal does13:50
Kilosit13:50
Gotangooh ok13:50
Kilosmôre13:50
Gotangobtw why cant i drag the launcher icons to where i want them? 13:52
GotangoGet the list of launcher13:56
GotangoIn the terminal type the following and press enter 13:56
Gotangogsettings get com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites 13:56
GotangoSome thing like this will be returned. 13:56
Gotango['application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices'] 13:56
GotangoRe-order the launchers13:56
Gotango Copy this, paste in the text editor and re-organize things. Suppose I want to keep the nautilus at the top, I would do the following:13:56
Gotango['application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices'] 13:56
GotangoSet the order13:56
GotangoIn the terminal type: 13:56
Gotangogsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites ['application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices'] 13:56
GotangoRefresh Unity13:56
Gotango Press Alt + F2 , type unity and press enter, this will refresh unity and the launcher.13:56
GotangoThis should set the order and should survive through reboots but I don't have 16 launchers and haven't tested them. 13:56
GotangoIf this doesn't work, use the following shell script and run it after you log in:13:56
Gotango#!/bin/bash gsettings set com.canonical.Unity.Launcher favorites ['application://nautilus.desktop', 'application://gnome-terminal.desktop', 'application://google-chrome.desktop', 'application://media1.desktop', 'unity://running-apps', 'unity://expo-icon', 'unity://devices'] 13:56
GotangoSave it in your home folder, say a.sh and make it executable by13:57
Gotangochmod +x a.sh 13:57
GotangoThen, when you login:13:57
Gotango Press Alt + F2 , type a.sh and press enter.13:57
GotangoAll this just to move some icons around in the launcher ?13:57
Kilos?13:59
Kilosi put those i want in the launcher and remove the rest13:59
GotangoHow Kilos ?14:00
GotangoI'm not doing the above14:00
Kilosright click remove from launcher14:00
Kilostype app in dash and drag to launcher14:00
GotangoOnly Unlock from launcher14:01
Kilosya thats it14:01
Gotangook14:01
Kilosthen if you want to use it again you open it from dash14:01
GotangoWhy? I dont wana go there, i want it on the side bar14:02
Kilosi unlock firefox and all the libreoffice stuff14:02
Kilosthat side bar is to quick click to opened apps14:03
Kilosthere was a book somewhere14:03
Kiloshttp://answers.unity3d.com/questions/12321/how-can-i-start-learning-unity-fast-list-of-tutori.html14:04
GotangoYes i wana quick click14:04
Kiloshttp://docs.unity3d.com/14:04
Gotangohmm , nothing of interest there14:07
GotangoIts fine i'll just remove and throw the app there i wana use14:09
Gotangoand the bookmarking of folders, man dunno why it have to be such a long process14:26
GotangoNow i see why so many hate unity14:28
* Gotango hou op! jou kla kous!14:33
inetproGotango: many small unity niggles have been fixed in later releases14:34
GotangoI guess so inetpro14:35
Trixar_zaI always think of Unity Linux whenever anybody mentions the Unity GUI14:36
charlgood afternoon15:21
charljust had some blood drawn for an allergy test15:21
charlwas almost painless, couldn't believe it15:21
Trixar_zaYeah, they're getting pretty good at it15:23
Trixar_zaI used to be terrified of needles as a kid15:23
charli still can't see blood15:25
charlespecially not if it's my own :)15:25
charlwb Kilos 15:26
Kilosty, i went to sleep and looks like the modem did as well15:26
charloh your sleepy huawei e220 modem?15:28
Kilosno the zte thing15:29
charlbah15:29
charli thought it's the arab modem, in the warm weather they need to sleep to keep their cool15:29
Kilosna ian took the arab modem , that one never disconnected15:30
Kiloshehe 15:30
Kiloswhen i get more energy im still gonna learn to use minicom15:31
somaunnhello16:09
Kilossomaunn, have you looked at  WPS,16:09
somaunnKilos: nope16:10
Kilos(such as WPS, which is a clone of MS Office 2012)16:10
Kilosi saw mention of it here16:10
Kiloshttp://askubuntu.com/questions/297151/how-to-run-32-bit-programs-on-a-64-bit-system16:10
Kiloshavent read more yet16:11
somaunnKilos: oh yeah that one i've tried but still it's not working the way i expect it to be but that was months ago16:11
somaunnlet me quickly jump there and see how it look like16:11
Kilosok, ive never heard of it even16:11
Kiloswow while i slept my screen resolution changed16:21
Kiloshi nlsthzn 17:25
KilosGolynx, whats with the nick change17:26
Kilostired of tangoing17:26
Golynxlol , i'm no dancer :p17:26
GolynxRather be a wild cat17:26
Kiloshaha17:26
nlsthznhey uncle Kilos...17:28
GolynxAlmost installed Kate, thank goodness i changed my mind and remember to update the plugins in gedit17:29
KilosGolynx, look at nano man17:29
Kiloskate is for kde17:29
GolynxI was looking for the same experience editor like notepad++ on windows17:30
Kiloseish17:30
GolynxSaved sessions is a real plus17:30
Kiloslook for better experiences amn17:30
GolynxNano?17:30
Kilosyou type in sudo nano and the path to the file17:31
Kilosserious editor17:31
GolynxNano has no Gui17:31
Kilosyes man17:31
GolynxHow do i gui nano17:31
Kilossame as gedit17:31
Kilosinstead of gedit just put nano in the command17:32
Kilosjust replace gedit with nano17:32
GolynxThats the same command line interface Kilos17:33
Kilosyes17:33
Kilosbut its nano17:33
Kilosand to save trl+o17:34
Kilosctrl+o17:34
Kilosctrl+x to quit17:34
GolynxI want code coloring , saved sessions , autocomplete , many things i will never be able to do in command line17:34
Kilosit shows lotsa colours in programs17:34
Golynxgedit got those things now , i find them in the updated plugins17:34
Kilosread man nano and see what all it can do17:35
Kilosi use it for basic stuff17:35
Kilosbut gedit is powerful so carry on17:35
GolynxThanks man, but i wana click and work fast, not type everytime i need to do something17:36
Golynxbut for basic text editing nano seems great!17:37
nlsthznas a sad note the latest version of kate has been given some major work :)17:40
Golynxhey nlsthzn17:41
* nlsthzn not sure why he wrote "sad" note... should be side :p17:42
nlsthznalo Golynx17:42
Golynxkate dont wana install by me, missing packages that dont wana update17:42
Golynxbut kde is too intense anyway17:42
nlsthznodd... but I can imagine it needs a lot of KDE dependencies ...17:42
* nlsthzn is glad he got Kubuntu 13.10 sorted out again :)17:43
Kilosi like it too17:43
Kilosmuch improved17:43
GolynxAah thats good nlsthzn17:43
nlsthznah yes uncle Kilos also rocking some KDE now17:44
KilosGolynx, telkom rocks17:46
Kilosif you put R30 airtime they give you 30 frree to use in a week or so17:47
Kilosbut you cant buy data with the free airtime17:47
GolynxThats good Kilos , with cellc is you buy R30 airtime you get 30MB free :)17:48
Kiloslol17:48
Kilosok stay  with cellc17:49
GolynxI will stay with cellc for a while , when i got a chance to get that R149 deal from telkom mobile i will take that17:50
Kiloswhat R149 deal?17:51
GolynxThat 2+1 deal you talked about17:51
Kilosoh ya17:51
Kilosi thought you meant with the starter pack17:51
Golynxnah i dont wana waste R49 if here is no coverage 17:52
charlgood evening fellows17:52
GolynxHey charl17:52
Kiloshi charly17:52
charlnlsthzn: i am also on kubuntu 13.10 now inside a VM at work17:52
Kilosevening superfly 17:53
charlnlsthzn: some applications don't run that well inside a tiling window manager and i need to use some heavy developer tools at work17:53
charlhi Kilos 17:53
charlhi Golynx 17:53
nlsthznI love the fact that with the back port you are basically always running bleeding edge KDE17:53
charloh i just got PoE sorted, can try my new telephone tomorrow...17:53
GolynxWill try download the drivers tomorrow morning, thats usually when the network here is at its best17:53
nlsthznand KDE has even beaten Arch to the punch sometimes to be the first to have a new release of KDE available17:54
charlnlsthzn: nah i just run the stable version, i just need something that works17:54
charlkubuntu you mean?17:54
charlvery nice17:54
nlsthznthere is nothing more stable in an older release of KDE over a new one... new one has the bug fixes for the old one Lo17:54
nlsthznsorry I mean kubuntu17:54
charlactually you have a good point there17:55
nlsthznnow running KDE 4.1217:55
charlbackport you say? maybe i should try it17:55
Kilostook some setting up to make it like 12.04 kde but very lekker then and super fast install17:55
charlhaven't used the backports in years17:55
nlsthzncharl:  http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-sc-4.1217:55
superflyhi Kilos17:55
GolynxKilos , there is alot of files of yours in /Storage17:56
GolynxHi superfly17:56
charlbrb need to go to the shops17:56
Kilosstorage there by you?17:56
GolynxYes17:56
GolynxWindows stuff too17:56
superflyhi Golynx17:56
Kilosmy storage here has lots of isos and backups etc17:57
Kiloswindows tools17:57
Kilosor winstuff17:57
GolynxYa, should i delete it17:57
Kiloshaha i wonder how it got there17:57
Kiloslook at everything man17:57
Kilosdont just delete17:57
Kilosmaybe you can fix someone elses pc and show then how clever linux users are17:58
GolynxI only know Mirc in Everything folder17:58
Golynxlol17:58
Kilosok then delete17:58
Golynxok17:58
Kilosand use for saving your stuff17:59
GolynxI wont be running Wine , so windows apps i wont use17:59
GolynxWill do17:59
Kilosrun backups to there and save /var/cache/apt/archives/ to there17:59
Kiloswine gives me probs everyime18:00
GolynxNice , will try that18:00
Kiloscrashes my gui then i need to install gdm to get going again18:00
Kiloswhen you want to save them there is a command for it18:01
Kilosso all your downloaded packages are saved18:01
Kilosisnt there a precise folder in there?18:02
GolynxI will do the remastersys thing aswell when i have downloaded all my needed apps18:02
Golynxnope18:02
nlsthznnight all18:16
Kilossleep tight nlsthzn 18:16
Golynxtake care nlsthzn18:17
GolynxKilos https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI says  NOTE: If you are switching from another OEM's hardware, NVIDIA for instance, you must uninstall the driver for that hardware before installing the AMD driver.18:54
GolynxI'm afraid something may break if i uninstall nvidia18:54
GolynxOk i will uninstall before downloading19:03
Kiloshmm...19:04
Kilosit shouldnt19:04
Kilosthere should be a basic ati apprunning there too19:05
Kilosradeon something or other19:05
GolynxThose Xorg processes that control the display now is really very small less than 100kb19:06
GolynxDunno what will happen , but will uninstall nvidia before activating the proprietary drivers19:07
Golynxoh ya radeon too19:08
GolynxHope fglrx does what it says19:09
Kilosif you are using the additional drivers tool it will do everything needed19:11
Kilosjust use synaptic to remove nvidia-173 and nvidia-settings and or maybe nvidia-173-updates19:12
Kilosthen hit additional drivers19:12
Kilosdont reboot between19:13
Kilosinetpro, ?19:13
inetprosup?19:13
GolynxWhat about the terminal uninstal ?19:13
Kilosterminal is fine as long as you get the info right19:14
Golynxis it the same as synaptic19:14
Kilosall good ty inetpro and there19:14
Kilosyes aptitude remove19:14
inetpronp Kilos19:14
Golynxok thanks Kilos19:14
inetprojust getting ready for bed19:15
Kilosyeah me too. woke you up to say goodnight19:15
* inetpro needs to try again and learn to sleep early19:15
Kiloshehe19:15
Kilosgo run 5 ks every night then you will sleep lekker19:15
inetprosjoe, that sounds too much man19:16
Kilossleep comes easy to tired body but not tired mind only19:16
Kiloswell start with 1/2k19:16
Kilosor run around the block then kick it under the bed19:16
* inetpro started doing early morning walks of just less than 3km19:17
Kilosthats good for ballies19:17
inetprotough to wake up early though19:17
Kiloslol19:17
Kilosbetter in eveing though19:17
Kiloseven a walk after supper19:18
Kilosevening19:18
inetpromorning walks are very refreshing19:18
Kilosso is a cold shower19:18
inetproai!19:19
Kiloshahaha19:19
Kilosnight all. sleep tight19:19
inetprogood night Kilos19:19

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