[17:24] <mhall119> highvoltage: have you heard of kids having problems with Unity?  I switched mine from the Qimo/Xfce setup to Unity a couple years ago and they're doing fine on it
[17:24] <mhall119> still on 12.04 though, so they don't have all the new smart scopes
[17:24] <highvoltage> mhall119: yeah, finding apps / typing app names is hard for little kids
[17:25] <highvoltage> mhall119: or when there isn't an adult around to help out the second time they try to find an app. the old style menus seem slightly better for that
[17:25] <ogra_> mhall119, LTSP has probs with unity ... so you have to have an alternate desktop that doesnt use composite all over the place anyway
[17:25] <mhall119> mine usually search by keyword ("math", "science", etc), maybe there's some work we can do adding more/better keywords to the .desktop files of those
[17:25] <highvoltage> mhall119: yeah that's not very intuitive either
[17:26] <ogra_> (edubuntu will also not be able to switch to Mir most likely due to that)
[17:26] <mhall119> ogra_: hmmmm, is that something that can be fixed in LTSP, or is it just the nature of the two (LTSP and compositing) that they won't work together?
[17:26] <ogra_> mhall119, it is the nature of networks ... you can have composite across networked desktops but that will be unusable slow
[17:27] <highvoltage> I think direct rendering also broke in compiz (or something like that)
[17:27] <stgraber> mhall119: I also suspect your kids are older than some of our users and they also happen to be native english speakers. I doubt dash keyword search works that well if you speak say Indian
[17:27] <ogra_> and Mir does not even have a concept of network forwarding at all
[17:27] <ogra_> not even in the planning
[17:27] <mhall119> stgraber: 8 and 9 years old,but yes on being native English speakers
[17:28] <highvoltage> well, typing things into the dash even implies that a user knows that they can do that
[17:28] <mhall119> stgraber: keywords can be translated though, IIRC, so I can get dpm to help me promote that among the translations community
[17:28] <highvoltage> even though it says "type to search..." etc, most people who see it for the first time doesn't realise that they can or what to search for
[17:28] <highvoltage> so they end up staring at the dash wondering what to do
[17:28] <mhall119> ogra_: yeah, LTSP is X11-centric right?
[17:29] <highvoltage> if there's someone around to help them, it usually works out. but many of our users are people installing it in isolation and have to figure things out by themselves
[17:29] <ogra_> mhall119, well, it relies on the display protocol being able to do network forwarding
[17:29] <highvoltage> well LTSP 6 is moving to support primarilly fat clients. so a desktop environment running on Mir should be fine.
[17:29] <ogra_> mhall119, which is clearly been denied in the Mir planning
[17:30] <highvoltage> (you just won't be able to run remoteapps)
[17:30] <mhall119> highvoltage: ok
[17:30] <ogra_> ah, not aware of the recent ltsp plans
[17:30] <mhall119> ogra_: it won't be part of Mir, no
[17:30] <mhall119> but like Wayland, could potentially be built on top
[17:31] <mhall119> is there a roadmap/work items for Edubuntu 14.04?
[17:32] <mhall119> also (he asks selfishly) is there a script for building the ISOs from scratch?
[17:33] <highvoltage> mhall119: basically the two areas mentioned in the cc catchup (some flashback bugs and edubuntu server)
[17:34] <mhall119> ok