[17:24] highvoltage: have you heard of kids having problems with Unity? I switched mine from the Qimo/Xfce setup to Unity a couple years ago and they're doing fine on it [17:24] still on 12.04 though, so they don't have all the new smart scopes [17:24] mhall119: yeah, finding apps / typing app names is hard for little kids [17:25] mhall119: or when there isn't an adult around to help out the second time they try to find an app. the old style menus seem slightly better for that [17:25] mhall119, LTSP has probs with unity ... so you have to have an alternate desktop that doesnt use composite all over the place anyway [17:25] mine usually search by keyword ("math", "science", etc), maybe there's some work we can do adding more/better keywords to the .desktop files of those [17:25] mhall119: yeah that's not very intuitive either [17:26] (edubuntu will also not be able to switch to Mir most likely due to that) [17:26] ogra_: hmmmm, is that something that can be fixed in LTSP, or is it just the nature of the two (LTSP and compositing) that they won't work together? [17:26] mhall119, it is the nature of networks ... you can have composite across networked desktops but that will be unusable slow [17:27] I think direct rendering also broke in compiz (or something like that) [17:27] mhall119: I also suspect your kids are older than some of our users and they also happen to be native english speakers. I doubt dash keyword search works that well if you speak say Indian [17:27] and Mir does not even have a concept of network forwarding at all [17:27] not even in the planning [17:27] stgraber: 8 and 9 years old,but yes on being native English speakers [17:28] well, typing things into the dash even implies that a user knows that they can do that [17:28] stgraber: keywords can be translated though, IIRC, so I can get dpm to help me promote that among the translations community [17:28] even though it says "type to search..." etc, most people who see it for the first time doesn't realise that they can or what to search for [17:28] so they end up staring at the dash wondering what to do [17:28] ogra_: yeah, LTSP is X11-centric right? [17:29] if there's someone around to help them, it usually works out. but many of our users are people installing it in isolation and have to figure things out by themselves [17:29] mhall119, well, it relies on the display protocol being able to do network forwarding [17:29] well LTSP 6 is moving to support primarilly fat clients. so a desktop environment running on Mir should be fine. [17:29] mhall119, which is clearly been denied in the Mir planning [17:30] (you just won't be able to run remoteapps) [17:30] highvoltage: ok [17:30] ah, not aware of the recent ltsp plans [17:30] ogra_: it won't be part of Mir, no [17:30] but like Wayland, could potentially be built on top [17:31] is there a roadmap/work items for Edubuntu 14.04? [17:32] also (he asks selfishly) is there a script for building the ISOs from scratch? [17:33] mhall119: basically the two areas mentioned in the cc catchup (some flashback bugs and edubuntu server) [17:34] ok