ahoneybunhey valorie00:00
valoriegood afternoon, ahoneybun00:00
valoriehow are ya?00:00
ahoneybunRiddell: can I make a announcement on the Kubuntu.org site?00:01
ahoneybunvalorie: good, you00:01
valoriegood here too00:01
ahoneybunhome page in 5 other langages00:01
valorievery nice00:02
valorieyou never answered my question about writing to kubuntu-users00:02
valoriebut i think i answered it myself00:03
valorieI'll write suggesting they become translators00:03
valorienot that they just start in on our docs00:03
valoriebecause that way lies madness....00:03
ahoneybunI never saw the question sorry apachelogger reminded to email the ubuntu-translators list and I did00:04
valorienot sure we want them, tbh00:05
ahoneybunstrange that only the main page is translated00:05
valoriethey don't know the wiki system, and they don't know the translate plugin, and they don't interface with the KDE translators for the most part00:05
ahoneybunmakes sense00:06
valoriemuch as I hate to disagree with apachelogger who is a fount of wisdom00:07
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1239173] qt4-x11 - binaries linked against libQtCore don't start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239173 (by Matthias Klose)00:12
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1269639] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269639 (by James System)00:12
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shadeslayerQuintasan: I never learnt java03:20
shadeslayer!testers KDE SC 4.12.1 needs testing from Kubuntu Ninjas05:11
ubottushadeslayer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)05:11
shadeslayer!testers | 4.12.1 in ninjas needs testing for trusty05:12
ubottu4.12.1 in ninjas needs testing for trusty: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se  for information05:12
valorieshadeslayer: isn't that supposed to hail #kubuntu as well as this chan?05:13
valorieif so, it didn't work05:14
shadeslayernope, just this one afaik05:14
apacheloggervalorie, ahoneybun: while it is true that ubuntu-translators at large probably aren't much help there certainly are those who have a keen interest in Kubuntu, so unless they are already involved with upstream l10n, getting them to join seems a boon eitherway ;)05:19
valoriethat is true05:19
apacheloggerworst case you at least informed the ubuntu-translators about our off-site documentation l10n so they can't shout at you in 6 months for not informing them :)05:19
valoriethey are probably self-selecting Good05:19
valorieI hadn't thought about the cya aspect05:20
apacheloggerspewing wisdom at 6:20 in the morning, not bad eh :P05:20
* apachelogger hugs valorie and disappears in a pile of mails05:21
valoriewhew, all I see is the sweep of a black cape, and he's gone.....05:21
shadeslayervalorie: available for testing 4.12.1?05:35
valoriehmm, I guess i could05:36
valoriein a few mins?05:36
jarkko_there was upgrads today05:41
jarkko_for kde05:41
valoriejarkko_: yes, shadeslayer just asked for testers05:42
jarkko_can i even help?05:42
jarkko_shadeslayer: can i even help?05:49
apacheloggerjarkko_: sure you can, shadeslayer just needs to tell you how05:51
apacheloggershadeslayer: taking neon5 daily for a testdrive now05:51
valorieshadeslayer: if you 'splain to jarkko_, I'll follow along in few mins05:52
shadeslayerright hi05:52
jarkko_i have virtual machine installed here...05:53
jarkko_if it helps05:53
shadeslayerjarkko_: see PM for instructions05:53
apacheloggerpff, now we are having private instructions :P05:56
shadeslayervalorie: fyi you need to be running trusty05:56
valoriewell, I'm not as yet05:57
valoriedo you advise upgrading to trusty?05:57
valorieI can use my other laptop05:57
Tm_Thi jarkko_05:57
valoriewhich has 38605:57
shadeslayerwould be nice :)05:57
apacheloggerwe'll be by March 10 becaus that's when I need exploratory testing done by people :P05:57
valorieI'll get that bit started now05:58
shadeslayervalorie: finished Looking for Alaska btw06:01
valorieone dark story, eh?06:05
shadeslayeryeah ...06:05
shadeslayervalorie: did you start with the fault in our stars06:05
valorieno, not yet06:06
valoriequestion about trusty: is upgrade supported yet?06:06
valorieor must I download and do a new install06:06
apachelogger(upgrade works from 12.04, so it should be fine from 13.10...)06:07
apacheloggerif it doesn't work that'd be a bug anyway06:07
valoriepiffle, do-release-upgrade doesn't find trusty yet06:13
shadeslayerneeds -d06:13
shadeslayerapachelogger: fwiw LTS releases for Kubuntu are just a huge farce06:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: Upstream does not provide any support gurantee and we market Kubuntu LTS releases as being supported for  longer term06:15
valorieI'm doing the upgrade to T in a console, so it shouldn't take too long06:17
shadeslayerhmm, why does kde-runtime depend on libwebp506:18
apacheloggershadeslayer: mail please06:18
apachelogger^ also I think the term support is overused and means too many things06:18
apacheloggerin particuarl I am reasonable certain the support in LTS is meant to mean something different than what our upstream calls support06:19
valoriedoes it mean more than 1. backports and 2. hired support?06:19
apacheloggerTBH, I think it really just means long term software update target06:21
shadeslayersigh ...06:21
shadeslayerso many KDE things depend on libwebp06:21
* shadeslayer thinks about just uploading KDE 4.12.1 to the archive06:21
apacheloggeri.e. if you chose to pay shadeslayer to fix/package a fix in qt for 12.04 then shadeslayer can easily get that landed through the official repository06:21
apacheloggerand that is really what an enterprise targeted version needs... the ability to easily be updated if one wishes to do so06:22
apacheloggeradditionally you get security updates for a prelonged time frame06:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: to me LTS support sounds like "We'll keep doing bug fix releases of $APP for the next 4 years"06:23
apacheloggeralso something important for an enterprise target06:23
shadeslayerso you get bug fix versions of packages in the official archive06:23
apacheloggershadeslayer: that's why I say the term support is ambiguous06:23
valoriethere was a long back and forth on plasma-devel by a guy who kept saying that kubuntu 12.04 was 'best', and shantanu kept trying to tell him that for devel, newer is better06:23
valorieI think he finally 'got it'06:23
jarkko_I always get these kind of errors on kubuntu..."Unknown media type in type 'all/all'"06:24
apacheloggershadeslayer: from a kde perspective support means we'll backport commits that are not feature commits06:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: from my POV, for Kubuntu LTS means that I'll keep backporting new KDE releases to the Kubuntu Backports PPA 06:25
apacheloggerfrom an ubuntu perspective support means, we may backport changes that are not feature changes iff we consider them worth having06:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: write that in your mail please? :P06:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: except that there is no gurantee that non feature commits will even work with a older release of KDE06:25
shadeslayerapachelogger: ETOOMUCHWORKMAN06:25
apacheloggershadeslayer: that's the kde thing...06:25
apacheloggerand yes it's many work, which I think our support means something different06:26
apachelogger*which is why06:26
apacheloggerI mean, for kde the mapping essentially is at least one maintainer per repository06:26
apacheloggerfor us it's like 5 people for everything kde in ubuntu06:26
apacheloggerdoesn't scale ^^06:27
shadeslayer5? lol06:27
apacheloggeron good days? :P06:27
apacheloggerdoesn't scale outside kubuntu either anyway06:27
shadeslayer5 is stretching it a bit on good days06:27
apacheloggerjust becomes (~100 for 20k packages?)06:27
apacheloggershadeslayer: I blame you for not getting minions06:27
apacheloggerand Quintasan for doing uni06:27
apacheloggerand JT for having gotten a real life06:28
jarkko_i was able to install and boot06:29
apacheloggerif our 'support' in fact means something than upstream's 'support', then we ought to outline just exactly what it means06:29
apacheloggerlike if we don't backport all fixes, how do we decide what gets a backport and what not06:29
jarkko_is there something now i should especially try?06:29
apacheloggercurrently that's wishy-washy06:29
apacheloggerjarkko_: just use it a bit06:30
apacheloggerRiddell: oh, there you have an example of exploratory testing... new SC versions get some of it :)06:30
jarkko_is there fixed bugs list somewhere?06:31
jarkko_could confirm if bug is fixed ;)06:32
jarkko_ ifound one very irritating thing, but i doubt it has anything to do kde updates06:32
valoriejarkko_: you can easily search bugs.kde.org06:33
jarkko_if you set this font larger on Quassel irc, it kinda breaks06:33
valoriethe search is very powerful06:33
jarkko_btw. the network manager, can someone say what's the situation?06:35
shadeslayerapachelogger: done06:39
apacheloggerjarkko_, shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?f1=cf_versionfixedin&order=Importance&o1=equals&resolution=FIXED&query_format=advanced&v1=4.12.106:41
jarkko_whats the situation about wayland, is it included soon on kubuntu?06:44
shadeslayerjarkko_: nothing is ready to consume wayland06:49
shadeslayerwhy would we include it on the ISO06:49
jarkko_i think i saw some xmir file on kde install06:53
shadeslayermm ... I have libmirprotobuf0 on here for some reason07:05
shadeslayerah, xserver-xorg-dev pulls it in07:06
soeegood morning\07:08
valorieshadeslayer: I think this upgrade to trusty isn't going to happen07:11
shadeslayersoee: morning07:11
shadeslayersoee: go test 4.12.1 :D07:11
valorieit keeps being interupted by the pixbuffer message07:11
soeeshadeslayer: no :<07:11
valoriewhich since it's in a console, I can't capture07:11
soeeshadeslayer: first i  need to fix lighdm07:11
shadeslayersoee: I see :)07:12
soeedont know why but it wont start07:12
soeei have to login from command line07:12
soeeand do startx07:12
shadeslayervalorie: huh ... might want to report a bug about that07:12
shadeslayersoee: check /var/log/lightdm?07:12
valoriesomeone else in #kubuntu had the same trouble today, soee07:12
valorieI guess I just have to stop the install with Control C?07:13
valorieit's just going to keep looping07:13
soeevalorie: did he fixed it ?07:13
valorieno, he was starting it via the cli too07:13
valorieeh, I'm gonna let this go for another 10-15 mins and see what's up07:14
soeeshadeslayer: all logs are empty07:14
soeein subl /var/log/lightdm/07:14
soeebasically i have kubuntu logo (plymouth) all the time07:15
soeeif i press esc i have cli and see 3 fails there07:15
soeeif i press crtl+alt+fx i have login promt and from here i can login and startx07:16
soeealso i have no sound07:18
soeein kmix i have Deaf output07:18
soeeno idea what it is07:18
soeeis it ok that i have 4.12.0 installed on system but lot of packages lkike kde-workspace etc are marked as 4.11.5 ?07:24
soeeshadeslayer: can you give me ppa for this 4.12.1 ?07:24
shadeslayersoee: do you have access to kubuntu ninjas?07:25
shadeslayersoee: yes07:25
soeeshadeslayer: yes jr:xxx07:25
soeebut i see no pudates07:25
Riddellsoee: trusty only07:26
Riddellsoee: yes kde-workspace does not have a 4.12 version07:26
soeeah ok downloading07:27
shadeslayervalorie: "(gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:11574): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory"07:28
shadeslayervalorie: run "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache" as root>07:28
valoriemight be ok anyway07:28
shadeslayeryeah shouldn't be an issue I suppose07:29
valorielooks like it's gettin' there07:29
soeeshadeslayer: upgrade ok07:40
valorielooks like upgrade might be finished07:43
valorieweeeee, restart successful07:45
Riddell4.12.1 installed and running good07:47
shadeslayerruns fine here too07:49
* shadeslayer will upload07:49
* Riddell puts test results on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas07:50
shadeslayerRiddell: you should give a talk at conf.kde.in07:54
Riddellare you?07:55
shadeslayerand get us minions07:55
shadeslayerI am not, I'm in India at the moment, can't travel again in Fe07:56
shadeslayerrather, don't want to come again in Feb07:56
Riddellah, I wondered why you were up so early :)07:56
* valorie submitted a talk, but it wasn't accepted07:56
shadeslayervalorie: about kubuntu?07:57
valorieit was about becoming part of the community07:58
valorienot kubuntu in particular07:58
shadeslayerI see07:58
valorienext time I'll find out what they are looking for07:59
valorieoh, I'm getting a "couldn't connect" to the keyserver08:06
soeei have installed kdm and configured as default 08:08
soeenot i can boot and all works fine :<08:08
apachelogger3 hours of work and all I did was write stuff and manage neon5 packages08:08
apacheloggerand I haven't even started looking at new bugs08:08
apacheloggershadeslayer: how's the qt coming along?08:09
soeethe strange thing is that there was no any lightdm update since december 5-1008:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: do we have something that works without patches yet?08:09
shadeslayerapachelogger: merged and uploaded?08:09
apacheloggeris it good enough for backporting tho?08:10
apacheloggerto saucy08:10
shadeslayerapachelogger: patches are now down to things like arm64/ppc64el support and some other stuff I don't recall08:10
shadeslayersee changelog08:10
apacheloggergoing to prod a backport ppa for the "Crashes in QtDeclarative continue with 13.10" mail then08:10
apacheloggerRiddell: see 4.13 mail... me thinks upstream should get a say in whether or not we should try to fiddle 4.13 in08:11
valorieshadeslayer: pm08:11
apacheloggeroh, no new interesting bugs, hooray08:14
* apachelogger goes on coffee break08:14
Riddellapachelogger: I suspect upstream will just fire it back at us but you're welcome to ask08:14
apacheloggerRiddell: http://www.afiestas.org/demand-a-kde-experience-from-your-distribution/08:15
apacheloggerupstream is expected to tell us what to do, so let us tell them to tell us what to do :P08:15
valoriesuccess, added that to the notes08:24
apacheloggerpython is so terrible :'<08:28
valoriethank you for your help, shadeslayer08:28
Riddellshadeslayer: will you backport it?08:55
shadeslayerRiddell: yep09:12
valoriejarkko_: so, success?09:13
jarkko_valorie: yes09:14
valorieyou can add yourself to the notes09:14
jarkko_what notes?09:16
jarkko_i just noticed this The following packages have been kept back:  kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript09:17
jarkko_those dont upgrade using sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade09:18
valoriesame here; it's a problem with libwebp09:20
valorietest results on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas09:20
jarkko_how do i make accoutn there09:20
shadeslayerregister on identity.kde.org09:21
valoriejarkko_: a warning; you should use your realname09:24
valoriehowever, you don't have to display that realname anywhere09:24
valorieit's kept private09:24
jarkko_i have kde username09:25
jarkko_just dont remember the login name, its real name09:25
jarkko_i dont think its full name09:25
jarkko_i just reset password on kde.org09:25
jarkko_dont know what username is, i use email to reset the password09:27
valorieif you can't get in, sysadmin will help: #kde-sysadmin09:27
shadeslayerRiddell: can you upload libkomparediff2 plz09:41
Riddellshadeslayer: where's that?09:42
shadeslayerjust run kubuntu-archive-upload -p  libkomparediff2 -v 4.12.1 ?09:42
jarkko_valorie: how do i save the note?09:43
valorieyou don't have to09:43
valorieit autosaves09:43
jarkko_so it seems09:44
valoriethey must be desperate09:44
valorienobody wants to upgrade!09:44
apacheloggerAn unhandled exception occurred:09:44
apacheloggerglobal name '_KdeFrontend__tableview_event_filter' is not defined09:44
apacheloggerI do not even know what that is09:44
jarkko_until July 14, 2015 09:45
jarkko_xp is getting old, but it was good os09:45
jarkko_they should release new service pack09:45
jarkko_7 new files to install09:46
jarkko_do you know the amount of active developers?09:47
jarkko_muon said that i have 7 files to update...console says 3109:48
jarkko_42 active developers? are they full time?09:49
Tm_TI presume apachelogger is referring to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy09:52
jarkko_i reboot soon09:54
jarkko_sudo reboot ;)09:54
jarkko_btw. do you have big firefox on launching bar?09:58
jarkko_i didnt put it there i think09:59
valorieFF is installed if you did a new install10:00
jarkko_i did upgrade10:00
valorieit's now our recommended browser10:00
jarkko_and i had ff installed before10:00
jarkko_well it looks kinda cool there10:01
jarkko_next K10:01
jarkko_next to10:01
valorieok, falling asleep here, niters10:01
jarkko_but was that 42 developers for real?10:02
jarkko_or misunderstood10:02
Tm_Tjust a joke10:03
jarkko_more likely 1 dev working ;)10:04
jarkko_i just wonder that so many updates already10:05
Tm_TKubuntu has several rather active developers, I recall we had 3 doing it as their dayjob10:05
Tm_Tsomeone knowing better could correct me10:05
jarkko_anyone keeping blog or something?10:05
jarkko_are you aware that ati 7870 cannot boot into desktop with free drivers?10:08
Tm_Tjarkko_: all of them, in one way or another10:09
Tm_Tjarkko_: and "cannot boot" means what? is there bug report?10:09
jarkko_i am not sure about bug report10:09
jarkko_normal boot fails, but resume on fail safe mode works10:09
jarkko_installing closed source drivers helps10:10
Tm_Tthere should be something in the logs10:15
Tm_Tboot log, syslog, Xorg log etc10:15
jarkko_where do i find kubuntu related bug reports?10:18
jarkko_i think i have this bug10:22
Tm_TI believe it would be Ubuntu bug and not Kubuntu specifically10:23
ubottuFreedesktop bug 60879 in Drivers/Gallium/radeonsi "[radeonsi] X11 can't start with acceleration enabled" [Blocker,New]10:23
Quintasanyofel: T_T10:30
Quintasanchanging that to synchronized version also yields  random results for me10:30
Quintasanchrist I can't do this properly10:30
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1269750] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269750 (by Smit)10:35
apacheloggerdone with usb creator, not too sure about the tableview column spacing, though TBH that is shitty no matter what11:11
apacheloggerreally the source table should just display the filename&size and the os version label should be the tooltip11:12
apacheloggerRiddell: https://trello.com/c/NuchfDCU I guess that should be in doing?11:16
Riddellyes it should11:17
Riddellgosh very green is this new trello11:18
apacheloggerthe 14.04 board always was green :P11:20
apacheloggernot quite sure why ... the deadlines bord is red because it's important tho ^^11:20
BluesKajHey folks11:22
soeei have this 2 packages stoped: kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript is it ok ?11:25
ghostcubeyeah amazon cloud player app for windows works in wine 1.7.10 if anyone uses amazon mp3 .... just noticed this :)11:41
Riddellghostcube: what's the advantage over a web browser?11:42
ghostcubeyou cant download amazon albums into a linux box nowadays its not supported anymore11:42
Riddellsoee: testing what in what ubuntu version? what happens if you apt-get install those packages on their own?11:42
Riddellghostcube: even if you buy them?11:42
ghostcubeyep. you only can use mac or windows clients, for full album download. you only can download file per file on a linux box...11:43
ghostcubethey stoped linux support11:43
soeeRiddell: uhm testing nthing, just installed 4.12.1 on trusty but went fine11:43
soeenot i had sume updates and see this 2 11:43
Riddellghostcube: can't you use clamz?11:44
ghostcubeas far as i have seen only if you start download directly after you bought it. but not sure if it still works, they changed the format again. but if you upload to cloud player and then want to download it you must go the wine way11:45
ghostcubeamazon isnt linux friendly anymore -.-11:46
Riddellironic since it's now a large part of what they sell with AWS11:46
soeeRiddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pscqvcgqv11:48
ghostcubeyeah... the big joke is.. amazon android app works. so it must be possible to bring it to linux computers too... but they dont want to11:48
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Riddellsoee: hmm, spooky11:50
soeeRiddell: see this http://pastebin.kde.org/pricziwbq11:50
Riddellshadeslayer: any idea why kde-runtime 4.12.0 depends on libwebp4 and 4.12.1 depends on libwebp5 which doesn't exist?11:51
Riddellsoee: hmm something doesn't want that installed, is there a reason why you do have it installed?11:53
soeeRiddell: no idea11:53
soeemaybe its related to some plasmoid ?11:53
Riddelldeeper than that if it's removing all this stuff11:54
RiddellI can recreate the issue11:54
Riddellspooky too11:54
Riddellbut shadeslayer has disappeared, tsk11:55
soeespooky too that hes gone :)11:57
Riddellkubotu: newversion ktp-common-internals 0.7.112:04
RiddellQuintasan: fancy taking that since you know lots about ktp?12:05
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apacheloggernow all images are oversized12:34
apacheloggerlibicu52 2 MiB increase over libicu4812:35
Riddellall those new letters to include12:35
apacheloggerlibwebkitgtk-3.0-0                 | webkitgtk                      | zenity                                 | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |         6229510 |           2829812:36
apacheloggeroh for the love of god, zenity is back12:36
apacheloggerzenity                             | zenity                         | im-config                              | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |           57412 |             33412:36
apacheloggeryeah, I totally fixed that12:37
ghostcubehmm on virtualbox with 3d acceleration enabled and guest additions working kde cant enable the opengl effects12:37
apacheloggeruse vmware12:38
ghostcubesame driver :D12:38
ghostcubeglxgears works glxinfo | grep OpenGL shows Humper12:38
apacheloggerRiddell: should be back to normal tomorrow12:41
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)12:43
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1199083] package libqtcore4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite shared '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1199083 (by CANTE Pierre)12:43
apacheloggerghostcube: just because opengl works doesn't mean that kwin effects work12:43
apacheloggerand it's not the same driver, I distinctly remember upstream mentioning that GL only works with vmware for some raeson12:43
Riddellapachelogger: what should?12:43
apacheloggerRiddell: iso size12:43
apacheloggericu is still 2mib larger, and some funny fonts package is also up 3mib12:44
apacheloggerand then there's the fact that pyqt and pykde contain modules for python3.3 and 3.412:44
sgclarkif a build put something in /usr/etc lintian complains, is the correct move to install it in /etc? because now list-missing is complaining.13:03
Riddellooh hi soee 13:35
Riddellooh hi sgclark 13:35
Riddellsgclark: yes put it in /etc, what's the file?13:35
Riddellall your tier 2 packages are in the PPA but I still need to sort out the overlapping files13:36
Riddelloh I've started putting in watch files, grab them from one of the packages and adapt for any other packages you're doing13:36
sgclarkI am writing a manpage to submit to upstream that is missing from kservice, sec, let me find the etc file13:37
Riddelloh nice13:37
sgclarkxdg/menus/applications.menu 13:39
sgclarkin kservice13:39
Riddellyeah we have /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu in kdelibs413:40
sgclarkRiddell: for a temporary solution to get kdoctools to install so I could continue I renamed the files within the rules file and that worked13:41
Riddellsgclark: which files? checkxml?13:42
sgclarkRiddell: yes and manpages13:42
RiddellI think to be fair on the other desktops you'll need to rename xdg/menus/applications.menu to xdg/menus/kf5-applications.menu13:42
sgclarkerr where does this review go? frameworkintegration?13:43
Riddellit's a tier4 module isn't it?13:44
Riddellnot sure what it does13:44
sgclarktier 313:44
Riddell"Workspace and cross-framework integration plugins" sounds vauge13:44
Riddellhttp://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List says tier 413:44
sgclarkoh right, I am trying to figure out where to put in a review for kservice manpage13:45
Riddelloh to go upstream?13:46
sgclarknevermind I found it13:46
Riddellare you on reviewboard?13:46
sgclarkyeah, I found it13:47
* Riddell wonders why qtbase5-dev won't install today making most of the builds fail13:48
Riddelloh pesky libxcb-sync013:48
Riddellwhich is now libxcb-sync113:48
Riddellmitya57: are you able to rebuild the qt5 packages in the PPA?13:49
RiddellI'm using canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta213:49
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yofelQuintasan: uh, for me synchronized works fine..14:14
Quintasanyofel: I somehow made it work14:15
QuintasanNO IDEA HOW14:15
yofelQuintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6762240/ is what I edited14:15
* yofel uploaded 4.115 to saucy-proposed14:29
Riddelldoes everyone agree there's no point to the file /usr/share/kde4/apps/kauth/dbus_policy.stub14:51
Riddelland /usr/share/kde4/apps/kauth/dbus_service.stub14:52
Riddellthey're just templates that haven't been used right?14:52
mitya57Riddell: no, I'm not in canonical-qt5-edgers14:54
mitya57But I think Mirv was already going to rebuild them14:54
RiddellMirv! you tab completing confusion of a nick, fancy rebuilding them?14:55
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ghostcubegnah virtualbox devs arent going to fix the kwin problem -.- but if anyone wants from kubuntu to fix it the code is public...15:19
ghostcubei hate such answers :D15:19
ghostcubeok there are two strange things  first this here https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4582  and then this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26959415:22
ubottuKDE bug 269594 in general "[feature-request] Please make KWin 3D desktop effects work on VirtualBox" [Wishlist,Resolved: upstream]15:22
ghostcubeso i think its now only a kde problem in combination what xserver version is running -.-15:22
ghostcubejust not working on 14.04, seems to be to new15:23
Riddellsgclark: I worked out why dbus files are getting installed to /usr/etc16:02
Riddellnew extra-cmake-modules uploaded16:02
Riddellor edit /usr/share/ECM/kde-modules/KDEInstallDirs.cmake and change "etc" to "/etc"16:02
sgclarkThere is something significantly wrong with the binaries installed with kdoctools16:03
sgclarkI/O warning : failed to load external entity "" on everything I try to checkXML16:05
sgclarkwhich makes writing docs difficult heh16:05
Riddellkdoctools or anything docbook has always been spooky voodoo, need to be used just right or it won't work16:05
sgclarkI have been writing docs for kde for 9ish months. It is the new tools for sure. researching now16:06
Riddellsgclark: I uploaded all your tier 2 packages to the PPA, make sure you are using the version from the PPA if you are making changes16:10
sgclarkok ty16:11
Riddellsgclark: what are you still looking at on kdocbook?16:26
sgclarkRiddell: sorry stepped away,  apt is not fining new ppa doctools I did an update16:39
sgclarkRiddell: what is the name of the packages?16:42
Riddellsgclark: mm it didn't compile because qt5 has temporarily stopped being installable16:42
sgclarkoh ok16:42
Riddellif you have the deb-src line you can apt-get source it16:42
Riddellor just get it from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages16:42
sgclarkRidddell: ok it will not install due to conflicting man pages, I need to do the mv trick16:52
Riddellor rename the manpages :)16:59
Riddellwhat are they manpages for16:59
sgclarkversion 5 of qtoptions checkXML and kdeoptions17:00
sgclarkwhich also exists in v 417:00
kubotu::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick OƟmann)17:02
Riddellqtoptions and kdeoptions best I can come up with it to rename to qt5options and kde5options17:03
Riddellor maybe qtoptions-kf5 and kdeoptions-kf517:03
Riddellsomething like that17:03
Riddellor just delete them, I doubt anyone ever reads them17:03
Riddelland checkXML needs renamed to checkXML517:03
sgclarkI will rename17:03
Riddellyou'll need to know cmake magic to do all that and send the patch upstream17:03
sgclarkyeah that seems to be corrected17:04
Riddelldo shout if you have problems17:04
sgclarkI will figure it out :) I am good at that lol17:04
Riddellsgclark: you've started putting a number in the -dev package, best keep that out e.g. libkf5notifications5-dev -> libkf5notifications-dev17:11
sgclarkRiddell: will do17:11
Quintasanyofel: Think you can restart 4.12.1?17:52
yofeluh, I'll leave that to LP17:52
Quintasanyofel: it didn't do that for two hours17:53
Quintasanyofel: There is no mass restart option I guess?17:53
QuintasanKDE Workspace is supposed to be 4:4.11.5?17:53
* Quintasan is damn confused about this 4.11.5 4.12.1 and whatnot17:54
* Quintasan scratches his head17:55
Quintasanyofel: If I'm interpreting the announcement correctly we will have kde workspaces 4.12.2 along with the rest of the kde sc 4.12.2 but for now we have to ship kde workspaces 4.11.5 with 4.12.1?17:57
yofelno, we'll have KDE SC 4.13 with kde-workspace 4.11....7? or so17:58
QuintasanI don't even17:58
Quintasanwhat is this17:58
yofelhttp://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.11_Release_Schedule has workspace tags until 4.11.917:58
Quintasanapachelogger: help17:58
yofelthe next version of workspace will be 5.X17:58
QuintasanI kind of think we should do something like kde-workspace-4:4.12.1~really4.11.717:59
yofelmaybe they decided to do things differently after all18:00
yofelutterly confusing18:00
QuintasanWe are going to get so many questions if they want us to mix 4.11.7 with 4.12.218:00
QuintasanEven now I'm not sure what's going on.18:00
yofelif they change things back I feel like staying with 4.11.X just to annoy them18:00
QuintasanI so don't like some of the decisions that KDE makes.18:02
Riddellif this confuses you then you won't like the 5 world, lots of separate releases and numbers18:03
sgclarkRiddell: I was successful with the manpages! checkXML not so much. still have to rename through rules file18:04
yofelQuintasan: i'm fine with stuff being mixed in insane ways I can't even think about, I don't like if people do something which causes me work - then think again and do something which causes me work to revert the work I did before18:04
Riddellsgclark: not just a rename in CMakeLists.txt?18:05
sgclarkRiddell: that is what I thought too, but cmake died. I don't know enough coding yet :(18:06
yofelQuintasan: hm, I think the "synchronized" part is about the dates, then it makes sense18:07
Riddellsgclark: pastbin a diff if you want we might have some ideas18:10
sgclarkfor the fail?18:11
sgclarkoh hmm, already reverted my changes18:12
QuintasanRiddell: Truth be told I find just another tedious you need to remember before doing anything at all18:12
QuintasanI find it*18:12
* Quintasan installs Trusty18:13
Riddellsgclark: just rename the checkXML.in.cmake file18:14
sgclarkRiddell: ok, yeah I just figured that out lol18:14
Riddellsgclark: then edit the line that refers to it in CMakeLists.txt18:14
sgclarkRiddell: I got it :) thanks!18:14
sgclarkRiddell: debuild keeps deleting my changes, I put the files in include-binaries like I did with the manpage stuff, but not working.18:30
sgclarkRiddell: sorted18:32
sgclarkRiddell: I am used to working with master with KDE, do I submit a git diff or is there another process when it involves kubuntu?18:44
QuintasanRiddell: You had no problems installing 4.12.1 on trusty?18:53
Quintasankde-workspace gets held back here18:53
Riddellsgclark: yeah submit a diff to reviewboard.kde.org19:19
Riddellsgclark: and the diff should go in debian/patches, do you know the quilt patch system yet?19:19
sgclarkRiddell: something is still not right with checkXML19:19
sgclarkRiddell: nd no on the quilt19:20
Riddellsgclark: do you have a diff you can pastebin?19:21
sgclarkRiddell: XDG_DATA_DIRS needs to be set somehow during build I think. I can't seem to export environment variables through rules19:21
Riddellfor what?19:21
sgclarkwarning: failed to load external entity "dtd/kdex.dtd"19:21
sgclarkchecking docbooks19:22
Riddellsgclark: when doing what?19:24
sgclarkhere is the patch for the checkXML rename, which did work http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763737/19:24
sgclarkRiddell: I had to create a manpage for a new binary in kservice. I have to checkXML5 docbooks before I can subit a review :)19:25
Riddellah and checkXML doesn't do it's job19:27
Riddellin which case just use checkXML from kdelibs4, easy workaround19:27
Riddellyour rename won't have made it any better or worse19:27
sgclarkRiddell: so I need to learn the quilt patch system correct?19:30
Riddellsgclark: yep, easy to do19:31
Riddellwe should even have a wiki page on it under wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas19:31
Riddellquilt new rename-checkxml.diff19:31
Riddellquilt add CMakeLists.txt19:31
Riddelledit CMakeLists.txt or apply the patch you have elsewhere19:32
Riddellquilt refresh19:32
Riddellpatch is not in debian/patches/19:32
Riddelloh wait19:32
Riddellexport QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches19:32
sgclarkI uploaded new kdoctools19:32
Riddellstick that in ~/.bashrc19:33
Riddellquilt pop  will remove the patch19:33
Riddellquilt push  will apply the patch19:33
Quintasansgclark: You might want to save http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763833/ to ~/.dquiltrc and stick alias dquilt="quilt --quiltrc=${HOME}/.dquilt" into bashrc19:43
sgclarkok ty19:44
Quintasanand use dquilt when working on debian packages19:44
Quintasanthough I'm not sure if reviewboard is going to like that diff format19:44
VilliersRiddell : excuse me , although google code in has ended , can i go on to do this task just to complete it ? http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5885540117250048 :) . please reply19:55
Riddellaww he left20:41
sgclarkRiddell: quilt is pretty straight forward. The only thing I don't understand is when the file names actually change. That does not appear in the diff with the new data20:43
Riddellhttp://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html#renaming_files might help20:44
Riddellhmm actually no it doesn't20:45
Riddellhttps://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/06/msg00006.html has how to rename20:46
elcasetA friend of mine asked where he can buy a modern phone that can run Qt apps. Not Android necessarily, but Mer, Sailfish, etc. He wants to 20:46
elcasetuse a Linux-based Qt-based phone.  Anybody know of some?  Thanks in advance.20:46
JamesFRiddell :  can you tell me whats merging in http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5885540117250048 ?20:46
Riddellhi JamesF 20:47
RiddellJamesF: I need to get emergency painkilllers for my girlfriend and will be back in 30 mins20:47
JamesFRiddell : ok :)20:47
Riddellelcaset: blackberry and jella20:47
RiddellJamesF: but yes we'll take you through it, would be great to have done20:48
JamesFRiddell : anyone else mentoring that task whom i can seek help from ?20:48
elcasetRiddell: thanks :)>20:49
Riddell!ninjas | help JamesF 20:49
ubottuhelp JamesF: Ninja Time! apachelogger, debfx, JontheEchidna, Quintasan, Riddell, ScottK, yofel, smartboyhw, murthy20:49
QuintasanJamesF: Hi.20:50
QuintasanJamesF: Generally merging is reducing the delta(difference) from our packaging to Debian20:52
QuintasanAs the site says, if our changes are not needed anymore then we just use what Debian has (sync it)20:53
QuintasanIf they are still needed then you need to perform a merge.20:53
JamesFQuintasan : thanks :)20:53
JamesFQuintasan :  but i am a bit of a noob so can you tell me from the beginning?20:54
QuintasanJamesF: Sure, first of all you need to get current packaging from Debian and Trusty20:54
QuintasanJamesF: For example ibus-qt4 in Debian - http://packages.debian.org/sid/ibus-qt420:55
QuintasanYou can grab the source and Debian packaging by invoking dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc20:56
JamesFQuintasan : :)20:56
JamesFQuintasan :  i use kubuntu...20:56
QuintasanWhich uses Debian as it's base :P20:57
QuintasanJamesF: Generally you need to have Debian's packaging and Ubuntu's packaging to perform a merge.20:57
yofeldget will still work the same (as long as you have devscripts installed)20:57
QuintasanYou can see Ubuntu packaging for ibus-qt4 here http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ibus-qt420:58
Quintasanand you can get the source and Debian packaging by invoking dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-2.1ubuntu4.dsc20:59
QuintasanJamesF: Any questions so far?20:59
JamesFQuintasan :  working on that :)20:59
QuintasanSure, take your time20:59
JamesFQuintasan :  what do i have to do with ubuntu packaging ? take a reference for that task (GCI ) ?21:00
QuintasanJamesF: You got both of them?21:01
JamesFQuintasan : no , just kubuntu :)21:02
QuintasanYou need both21:02
JamesFQuintasan : after ive got both then ? 21:03
QuintasanGenerally you need to compare files in debian/ directory in Debian's and Ubuntu's version of the package and see what changes can be imported from Debian to Ubuntu21:04
JamesFQuintasan : and that can be tricky.....21:05
QuintasanJamesF: Theoretically yes but if you ask any questions you have you should be fine21:05
JamesFQuintasan : and they can be noobish ?21:07
JamesFQuintasan : and do i need Debian too ?21:08
QuintasanParaphrasing ##c++basic topic: No real ruestion is too stupid or too noobish.21:08
QuintasanYes you need both of them21:08
QuintasanYou have to compare the Debian packaging to Ubuntu's packaging.21:08
QuintasanYou won't be able to remove any differences from Debian if you don't compare what we have in Ubuntu against what currently Debian has.21:09
JamesFQuintasan : ok . now ill get Debian and can i substitute kubuntu with ubuntu ?21:10
QuintasanJamesF: I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not telling you to INSTALL the Debian version on your system. Do you know how software is packaged in Debian?21:10
JamesFQuintasan : no21:11
QuintasanJamesF: Kubuntu and Ubuntu are using the same repositories so yes.21:11
QuintasanJamesF: Okay let me explain that first.21:11
JamesFQuintasan : please proceed :D21:12
QuintasanPackaging software in Debian in GENERAL consists of three steps21:12
Quintasan1. Get the source code21:12
Quintasan2. Do the packaging magic21:12
Quintasan3. Upload to Debian21:12
JamesFQuintasan :  oh21:12
QuintasanThose of course have number of smaller steps required but I'm not going to go into details here.21:13
QuintasanIf you do dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc21:13
Quintasanyou should end up with 4 things21:13
Quintasanibus-qt_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.debian.tar.gz and a directory named ibus-qt-1.3.121:14
Quintasanibus-qt_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz contains the source code for the application21:14
Quintasanibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc is a text file with some metadata you don't really have to care about right now21:14
JamesFQuintasan : 1) can be handled , how to do that magic in 2) as im not into packaging much . secondly i have a primitive error . shell's not recognising dget-x although i have the required package installed :(21:14
Quintasanit's dget -x <url>21:15
Quintasanthere is a space between dget and -x21:15
Quintasanas for 2) we're going to cover that in a second21:16
* Riddell high fives Quintasan for helping21:16
QuintasanRiddell: Though I sometimes get the idea I'm doing it wrong.21:16
QuintasanJamesF: Let me know when you get the files so that I don't go too fast.21:17
RiddellQuintasan: it's easy to get confused helping someone use a computer unless you can see their computer, you can use a shared ec2 server to guide someone21:17
JamesFQuintasan : thanks21:18
JamesFQuintasan :  dget says it has no Debian Installation candidate...21:20
QuintasanJamesF: What command exactly are you invoking?21:21
JamesFQuintasan : sorry ubuntu4.dsc has no installation candidate.. im invoking dget -xhttp://archive.ubuntu.com ....21:22
QuintasanTry copypasting21:23
Quintasandget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc21:23
JamesFQuintasan : it says validation failed ...21:29
Quintasandget -xu http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc21:31
Quintasanthat should work21:31
JamesFQuintasan : got 4 tar.gz's21:35
JamesFQuintasan :  i mean the  == ibus-qt_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.debian.tar.gz and a directory named ibus-qt-1.3.21:36
JamesFQuintasan : now ?21:37
Quintasanso if you look into  ibus-qt-1.3 directory21:37
Quintasanthere is a debian directory inside it21:37
Quintasanthis is what we call "packaging"21:37
Quintasanthere are text files inside it that describe what this package is, what is needed to get built and steps how to build it21:38
JamesFQuintasan :  BEGIN PGP ... etc ?21:38
Quintasancd ibus-qt-1.3.1/debian21:39
Quintasanyou should have files like changelog, copyright, docs and so on there21:39
JamesFQuintasan :  :D :D got that one ... now ?21:40
QuintasanWrong windows I guess.21:40
JamesFQuintasan : yeah so now what should i do  with those files ?21:45
QuintasanWell, what you just got is Debian's packaging21:46
QuintasanYou are to compare Ubuntu's packagin AGAINST Debian packaging and import any changes from Debian which we don't have and can be imported.21:46
JamesFQuintasan :  can you give me the link for the dget -x ubuntu ? :)21:47
QuintasanI generally recommend making a directory named "Debian", copying debian package inside there21:47
Quintasanand doing the same for Ubuntu21:47
Quintasandget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-2.1ubuntu4.dsc21:48
JamesFQuintasan : ok will b done21:48
JamesFQuintasan :  so i just have to document >>21:48
JamesFQuintasan :  ??21:49
QuintasanI'm not entirely sure what do you mean by that.21:49
JamesFQuintasan : you said that i just have to compare right ??21:50
JamesFQuintasan : ubuntu pack vs debian packaging ?21:51
QuintasanCompare Ubuntu against Debian and import changes from Debian's packaging to Ubuntu's packging where possible21:51
JamesFQuintasan : how to import ??21:52
QuintasanJamesF: You edit the respective file and just make the change21:52
QuintasanThose are text files21:52
QuintasanJamesF: When merging changelog file you might want to use merge-changelog tool21:53
sgclarkRiddell: I got it, can you look over these two patches before I send them upstream? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6764390/21:53
Quintasanwhich is available in ubuntu-dev-tools package21:53
QuintasanLike uh, an example for that would be good21:54
JamesFQuintasan : the ubuntu one says VALIDATION FAILED ....22:00
Quintasandget -xu http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-2.1ubuntu4.dsc22:00
Quintasanuse this22:00
JamesFQuintasan : got 4 packages... ( 1 folder)22:02
QuintasanJamesF: for example try comparing Debian's control file against Ubuntu control file22:04
JamesFQuintasan :  oh yes :) sure 22:05
QuintasanFor example there is Standards-Version: 3.9.4 in Debian and Standards-Version: 3.9.2 in Ubuntu's control file22:06
QuintasanI'm pretty sure we want to import that change22:06
Quintasananother example would be Ubuntu packaging having a field like22:06
QuintasanDM-Upload-Allowed: yes22:06
QuintasanWhere Debian does not have it22:06
Quintasanso you can remove it22:06
JamesFQuintasan :  can i add that to Debian too ? (talking about above example DM-Upload)22:08
QuintasanWhy would you do that22:08
QuintasanJamesF: Think about it, we are trying to be as close to Debian with packaging as possible22:08
JamesFQuintasan : oh!.....22:09
JamesFQuintasan : i am not being allowed to edit the text files . (!) :(22:11
Quintasanhow so?22:11
JamesFQuintasan :  its like a permanent thing ....22:11
JamesFQuintasan :  do i need some kinda software ?22:11
QuintasanJamesF: I do not think so, those are text files so use a normal text editor22:12
Quintasanunless you did sudo dget -xu <url> there should be no problems22:13
JamesFQuintasan : i didnt use  sudo.....22:14
JamesFQuintasan :  yeah i can now edit em . so now basically i am on my own ?22:15
QuintasanJamesF: Well it would be smashing if you could complete the task entirely on your own but let's be realistic, you will need help and if you have any questions then you should ask.22:17
JamesFQuintasan :  thanks :) now ive deleted that line DM-Upload allowed  in Ubuntu.debian / control... Should i save changes ?22:18
QuintasanYes, but I recommend that you save them to another copy of the file you edited22:19
QuintasanSo that you do not touch the existing files22:19
JamesFQuintasan :  :) . ok its 4:00 am in India Right now , so i guess my body needs some rest .... i will come on 17th afternoon . will u be there ?22:21
QuintasanJamesF: I can't say for sure since I have university and whatnot but just ask questions if you have any, someone will generally answer them22:22
QuintasanOne tip though22:22
QuintasanHere is how I organise my working directory when merging22:22
QuintasanI save the modified files under Result/debian directory22:22
JamesFQuintasan :  thanks for the workflow !22:23
QuintasanJamesF: You're welcome, I look forward to uploading your work22:23
JamesFQuintasan :  bye . hope to see you soon and a Great Thank you For helping a noob ! :) :D22:23

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