[00:00] hey valorie [00:00] good afternoon, ahoneybun [00:00] how are ya? [00:01] Riddell: can I make a announcement on the Kubuntu.org site? [00:01] valorie: good, you [00:01] good here too [00:01] home page in 5 other langages [00:01] crap [00:01] langs [00:01] *languages [00:02] very nice [00:02] you never answered my question about writing to kubuntu-users [00:03] but i think i answered it myself [00:03] I'll write suggesting they become translators [00:03] not that they just start in on our docs [00:03] because that way lies madness.... [00:04] I never saw the question sorry apachelogger reminded to email the ubuntu-translators list and I did [00:05] hmmm [00:05] not sure we want them, tbh [00:05] strange that only the main page is translated [00:05] they don't know the wiki system, and they don't know the translate plugin, and they don't interface with the KDE translators for the most part [00:06] makes sense [00:07] much as I hate to disagree with apachelogger who is a fount of wisdom [00:12] ::qt-bugs:: [1239173] qt4-x11 - binaries linked against libQtCore don't start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239173 (by Matthias Klose) [00:12] ::qt-bugs:: [1269639] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269639 (by James System) === ryanakca_ is now known as ryanakca [03:20] Quintasan: I never learnt java [05:11] !testers KDE SC 4.12.1 needs testing from Kubuntu Ninjas [05:11] bleh [05:11] shadeslayer: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [05:12] !testers | 4.12.1 in ninjas needs testing for trusty [05:12] 4.12.1 in ninjas needs testing for trusty: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, smartboyhw, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se for information [05:13] shadeslayer: isn't that supposed to hail #kubuntu as well as this chan? [05:14] if so, it didn't work [05:14] nope, just this one afaik [05:14] hmmm [05:19] valorie, ahoneybun: while it is true that ubuntu-translators at large probably aren't much help there certainly are those who have a keen interest in Kubuntu, so unless they are already involved with upstream l10n, getting them to join seems a boon eitherway ;) [05:19] that is true [05:19] worst case you at least informed the ubuntu-translators about our off-site documentation l10n so they can't shout at you in 6 months for not informing them :) [05:19] they are probably self-selecting Good [05:20] I hadn't thought about the cya aspect [05:20] spewing wisdom at 6:20 in the morning, not bad eh :P [05:21] * apachelogger hugs valorie and disappears in a pile of mails [05:21] whew, all I see is the sweep of a black cape, and he's gone..... [05:21] :-) [05:35] valorie: available for testing 4.12.1? [05:36] hmm, I guess i could [05:36] in a few mins? [05:41] there was upgrads today [05:41] for kde [05:42] jarkko_: yes, shadeslayer just asked for testers [05:42] sure [05:42] can i even help? [05:49] shadeslayer: can i even help? [05:51] jarkko_: sure you can, shadeslayer just needs to tell you how [05:51] shadeslayer: taking neon5 daily for a testdrive now [05:52] shadeslayer: if you 'splain to jarkko_, I'll follow along in few mins [05:52] right hi [05:53] i have virtual machine installed here... [05:53] if it helps [05:53] jarkko_: see PM for instructions [05:56] pff, now we are having private instructions :P [05:56] valorie: fyi you need to be running trusty [05:56] ah [05:57] well, I'm not as yet [05:57] do you advise upgrading to trusty? [05:57] I can use my other laptop [05:57] hi jarkko_ [05:57] which has 386 [05:57] would be nice :) [05:57] we'll be by March 10 becaus that's when I need exploratory testing done by people :P [05:58] I'll get that bit started now [06:01] valorie: finished Looking for Alaska btw [06:05] one dark story, eh? [06:05] yeah ... [06:05] valorie: did you start with the fault in our stars [06:06] no, not yet [06:06] question about trusty: is upgrade supported yet? [06:06] or must I download and do a new install [06:07] (upgrade works from 12.04, so it should be fine from 13.10...) [06:07] if it doesn't work that'd be a bug anyway [06:07] k [06:13] piffle, do-release-upgrade doesn't find trusty yet [06:13] needs -d [06:14] apachelogger: fwiw LTS releases for Kubuntu are just a huge farce [06:14] weeeee [06:15] apachelogger: Upstream does not provide any support gurantee and we market Kubuntu LTS releases as being supported for longer term [06:17] I'm doing the upgrade to T in a console, so it shouldn't take too long [06:18] hmm, why does kde-runtime depend on libwebp5 [06:18] shadeslayer: mail please [06:18] ^ also I think the term support is overused and means too many things [06:19] in particuarl I am reasonable certain the support in LTS is meant to mean something different than what our upstream calls support [06:19] does it mean more than 1. backports and 2. hired support? [06:21] TBH, I think it really just means long term software update target [06:21] sigh ... [06:21] so many KDE things depend on libwebp [06:21] * shadeslayer thinks about just uploading KDE 4.12.1 to the archive [06:21] i.e. if you chose to pay shadeslayer to fix/package a fix in qt for 12.04 then shadeslayer can easily get that landed through the official repository [06:22] and that is really what an enterprise targeted version needs... the ability to easily be updated if one wishes to do so [06:23] additionally you get security updates for a prelonged time frame [06:23] apachelogger: to me LTS support sounds like "We'll keep doing bug fix releases of $APP for the next 4 years" [06:23] also something important for an enterprise target [06:23] so you get bug fix versions of packages in the official archive [06:23] shadeslayer: that's why I say the term support is ambiguous [06:23] there was a long back and forth on plasma-devel by a guy who kept saying that kubuntu 12.04 was 'best', and shantanu kept trying to tell him that for devel, newer is better [06:23] I think he finally 'got it' [06:24] I always get these kind of errors on kubuntu..."Unknown media type in type 'all/all'" [06:24] shadeslayer: from a kde perspective support means we'll backport commits that are not feature commits [06:25] apachelogger: from my POV, for Kubuntu LTS means that I'll keep backporting new KDE releases to the Kubuntu Backports PPA [06:25] from an ubuntu perspective support means, we may backport changes that are not feature changes iff we consider them worth having [06:25] shadeslayer: write that in your mail please? :P [06:25] apachelogger: except that there is no gurantee that non feature commits will even work with a older release of KDE [06:25] apachelogger: ETOOMUCHWORKMAN [06:25] shadeslayer: that's the kde thing... [06:26] and yes it's many work, which I think our support means something different [06:26] *which is why [06:26] I mean, for kde the mapping essentially is at least one maintainer per repository [06:26] for us it's like 5 people for everything kde in ubuntu [06:27] doesn't scale ^^ [06:27] 5? lol [06:27] on good days? :P [06:27] doesn't scale outside kubuntu either anyway [06:27] 5 is stretching it a bit on good days [06:27] just becomes (~100 for 20k packages?) [06:27] shadeslayer: I blame you for not getting minions [06:27] and Quintasan for doing uni [06:28] and JT for having gotten a real life [06:28] anyway [06:29] i was able to install and boot [06:29] if our 'support' in fact means something than upstream's 'support', then we ought to outline just exactly what it means [06:29] like if we don't backport all fixes, how do we decide what gets a backport and what not [06:29] is there something now i should especially try? [06:29] currently that's wishy-washy [06:30] jarkko_: just use it a bit [06:30] Riddell: oh, there you have an example of exploratory testing... new SC versions get some of it :) [06:31] is there fixed bugs list somewhere? [06:32] could confirm if bug is fixed ;) [06:32] ifound one very irritating thing, but i doubt it has anything to do kde updates [06:33] jarkko_: you can easily search bugs.kde.org [06:33] if you set this font larger on Quassel irc, it kinda breaks [06:33] the search is very powerful [06:35] btw. the network manager, can someone say what's the situation? [06:39] apachelogger: done [06:41] jarkko_, shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?f1=cf_versionfixedin&order=Importance&o1=equals&resolution=FIXED&query_format=advanced&v1=4.12.1 [06:44] whats the situation about wayland, is it included soon on kubuntu? [06:49] jarkko_: nothing is ready to consume wayland [06:49] why would we include it on the ISO [06:51] yet [06:53] i think i saw some xmir file on kde install [07:05] mm ... I have libmirprotobuf0 on here for some reason [07:06] ah, xserver-xorg-dev pulls it in [07:08] good morning\ [07:11] shadeslayer: I think this upgrade to trusty isn't going to happen [07:11] oh? [07:11] soee: morning [07:11] soee: go test 4.12.1 :D [07:11] it keeps being interupted by the pixbuffer message [07:11] shadeslayer: no :< [07:11] which since it's in a console, I can't capture [07:11] shadeslayer: first i need to fix lighdm [07:12] soee: I see :) [07:12] dont know why but it wont start [07:12] i have to login from command line [07:12] and do startx [07:12] valorie: huh ... might want to report a bug about that [07:12] soee: check /var/log/lightdm? [07:12] someone else in #kubuntu had the same trouble today, soee [07:13] I guess I just have to stop the install with Control C? [07:13] it's just going to keep looping [07:13] valorie: did he fixed it ? [07:13] no, he was starting it via the cli too [07:14] eh, I'm gonna let this go for another 10-15 mins and see what's up [07:14] shadeslayer: all logs are empty [07:14] in subl /var/log/lightdm/ [07:14] huh [07:15] hola [07:15] basically i have kubuntu logo (plymouth) all the time [07:15] if i press esc i have cli and see 3 fails there [07:16] if i press crtl+alt+fx i have login promt and from here i can login and startx [07:18] also i have no sound [07:18] in kmix i have Deaf output [07:18] no idea what it is [07:24] is it ok that i have 4.12.0 installed on system but lot of packages lkike kde-workspace etc are marked as 4.11.5 ? [07:24] shadeslayer: can you give me ppa for this 4.12.1 ? [07:25] soee: do you have access to kubuntu ninjas? [07:25] soee: yes [07:25] shadeslayer: yes jr:xxx [07:25] but i see no pudates [07:26] soee: trusty only [07:26] soee: yes kde-workspace does not have a 4.12 version [07:27] ah ok downloading [07:28] valorie: "(gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:11574): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory" [07:28] yup [07:28] valorie: run "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache" as root> [07:28] might be ok anyway [07:29] yeah shouldn't be an issue I suppose [07:29] looks like it's gettin' there [07:40] shadeslayer: upgrade ok [07:43] looks like upgrade might be finished [07:45] weeeee, restart successful [07:47] 4.12.1 installed and running good [07:49] awesome [07:49] runs fine here too [07:49] * shadeslayer will upload [07:50] * Riddell puts test results on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas [07:54] Riddell: you should give a talk at conf.kde.in [07:55] are you? [07:55] and get us minions [07:56] I am not, I'm in India at the moment, can't travel again in Fe [07:56] *Feb [07:56] rather, don't want to come again in Feb [07:56] ah, I wondered why you were up so early :) [07:56] * valorie submitted a talk, but it wasn't accepted [07:57] valorie: about kubuntu? [07:58] it was about becoming part of the community [07:58] not kubuntu in particular [07:58] I see [07:59] next time I'll find out what they are looking for [08:06] oh, I'm getting a "couldn't connect" to the keyserver [08:08] :| [08:08] i have installed kdm and configured as default [08:08] not i can boot and all works fine :< [08:08] 3 hours of work and all I did was write stuff and manage neon5 packages [08:08] and I haven't even started looking at new bugs [08:08] :@ [08:09] :} [08:09] *now [08:09] ohohoh [08:09] shadeslayer: how's the qt coming along? [08:09] the strange thing is that there was no any lightdm update since december 5-10 [08:09] shadeslayer: do we have something that works without patches yet? [08:09] apachelogger: merged and uploaded? [08:10] is it good enough for backporting tho? [08:10] to saucy [08:10] apachelogger: patches are now down to things like arm64/ppc64el support and some other stuff I don't recall [08:10] see changelog [08:10] handy [08:10] going to prod a backport ppa for the "Crashes in QtDeclarative continue with 13.10" mail then [08:11] k [08:11] Riddell: see 4.13 mail... me thinks upstream should get a say in whether or not we should try to fiddle 4.13 in [08:11] shadeslayer: pm [08:14] oh, no new interesting bugs, hooray [08:14] * apachelogger goes on coffee break [08:14] apachelogger: I suspect upstream will just fire it back at us but you're welcome to ask [08:15] Riddell: http://www.afiestas.org/demand-a-kde-experience-from-your-distribution/ [08:15] upstream is expected to tell us what to do, so let us tell them to tell us what to do :P [08:24] success, added that to the notes [08:28] python is so terrible :'< [08:28] thank you for your help, shadeslayer [08:31] np [08:55] shadeslayer: will you backport it? [09:12] Riddell: yep [09:12] lovely [09:13] jarkko_: so, success? [09:14] valorie: yes [09:14] cool [09:14] you can add yourself to the notes [09:16] what notes? [09:17] i just noticed this The following packages have been kept back: kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript [09:18] those dont upgrade using sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [09:20] same here; it's a problem with libwebp [09:20] test results on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas [09:20] how do i make accoutn there [09:21] register on identity.kde.org [09:24] jarkko_: a warning; you should use your realname [09:24] however, you don't have to display that realname anywhere [09:24] it's kept private [09:25] i have kde username [09:25] just dont remember the login name, its real name [09:25] i dont think its full name [09:25] i just reset password on kde.org [09:26] cool [09:27] dont know what username is, i use email to reset the password [09:27] if you can't get in, sysadmin will help: #kde-sysadmin [09:41] Riddell: can you upload libkomparediff2 plz [09:42] shadeslayer: where's that? [09:42] just run kubuntu-archive-upload -p libkomparediff2 -v 4.12.1 ? [09:43] valorie: how do i save the note? [09:43] you don't have to [09:43] it autosaves [09:43] http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2014/01/15/microsoft-extends-updates-windows-xp-security-products-july-14-2015/#!sl143 [09:44] so it seems [09:44] they must be desperate [09:44] nobody wants to upgrade! [09:44] An unhandled exception occurred: [09:44] global name '_KdeFrontend__tableview_event_filter' is not defined [09:44] I do not even know what that is [09:45] until July 14, 2015 [09:45] xp is getting old, but it was good os [09:45] they should release new service pack [09:46] 7 new files to install [09:47] do you know the amount of active developers? [09:48] 42 [09:48] muon said that i have 7 files to update...console says 31 [09:49] 42 active developers? are they full time? [09:52] I presume apachelogger is referring to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy [09:53] ^^ [09:54] i reboot soon [09:54] sudo reboot ;) [09:57] back [09:58] btw. do you have big firefox on launching bar? [09:59] i didnt put it there i think [10:00] FF is installed if you did a new install [10:00] i did upgrade [10:00] it's now our recommended browser [10:00] and i had ff installed before [10:01] ok [10:01] well it looks kinda cool there [10:01] next K [10:01] next to [10:01] ok, falling asleep here, niters [10:02] but was that 42 developers for real? [10:02] or misunderstood [10:03] just a joke [10:04] more likely 1 dev working ;) [10:05] i just wonder that so many updates already [10:05] Kubuntu has several rather active developers, I recall we had 3 doing it as their dayjob [10:05] someone knowing better could correct me [10:05] anyone keeping blog or something? [10:08] are you aware that ati 7870 cannot boot into desktop with free drivers? [10:09] jarkko_: all of them, in one way or another [10:09] jarkko_: and "cannot boot" means what? is there bug report? [10:09] i am not sure about bug report [10:09] normal boot fails, but resume on fail safe mode works [10:10] installing closed source drivers helps [10:15] there should be something in the logs [10:15] boot log, syslog, Xorg log etc [10:18] where do i find kubuntu related bug reports? [10:22] i think i have this bug [10:22] https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60879 [10:23] I believe it would be Ubuntu bug and not Kubuntu specifically [10:23] Freedesktop bug 60879 in Drivers/Gallium/radeonsi "[radeonsi] X11 can't start with acceleration enabled" [Blocker,New] [10:30] yofel: T_T [10:30] changing that to synchronized version also yields random results for me [10:30] christ I can't do this properly [10:35] ::qt-bugs:: [1269750] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269750 (by Smit) [11:11] done with usb creator, not too sure about the tableview column spacing, though TBH that is shitty no matter what [11:12] really the source table should just display the filename&size and the os version label should be the tooltip [11:16] Riddell: https://trello.com/c/NuchfDCU I guess that should be in doing? [11:17] yes it should [11:18] gosh very green is this new trello [11:20] the 14.04 board always was green :P [11:20] not quite sure why ... the deadlines bord is red because it's important tho ^^ [11:22] Hey folks [11:25] i have this 2 packages stoped: kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript is it ok ? [11:41] yeah amazon cloud player app for windows works in wine 1.7.10 if anyone uses amazon mp3 .... just noticed this :) [11:42] ghostcube: what's the advantage over a web browser? [11:42] you cant download amazon albums into a linux box nowadays its not supported anymore [11:42] soee: testing what in what ubuntu version? what happens if you apt-get install those packages on their own? [11:42] ghostcube: even if you buy them? [11:43] yep. you only can use mac or windows clients, for full album download. you only can download file per file on a linux box... [11:43] they stoped linux support [11:43] Riddell: uhm testing nthing, just installed 4.12.1 on trusty but went fine [11:43] not i had sume updates and see this 2 [11:44] ghostcube: can't you use clamz? [11:45] as far as i have seen only if you start download directly after you bought it. but not sure if it still works, they changed the format again. but if you upload to cloud player and then want to download it you must go the wine way [11:46] amazon isnt linux friendly anymore -.- [11:46] ironic since it's now a large part of what they sell with AWS [11:48] Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pscqvcgqv [11:48] yeah... the big joke is.. amazon android app works. so it must be possible to bring it to linux computers too... but they dont want to === blaze1 is now known as blaze [11:50] soee: hmm, spooky [11:50] Riddell: see this http://pastebin.kde.org/pricziwbq [11:50] :) [11:51] shadeslayer: any idea why kde-runtime 4.12.0 depends on libwebp4 and 4.12.1 depends on libwebp5 which doesn't exist? [11:53] soee: hmm something doesn't want that installed, is there a reason why you do have it installed? [11:53] Riddell: no idea [11:53] maybe its related to some plasmoid ? [11:54] deeper than that if it's removing all this stuff [11:54] I can recreate the issue [11:54] spooky too [11:55] but shadeslayer has disappeared, tsk [11:57] spooky too that hes gone :) [12:04] kubotu: newversion ktp-common-internals 0.7.1 [12:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269778 [12:05] Quintasan: fancy taking that since you know lots about ktp? === blaze is now known as blaze` [12:34] :O [12:34] now all images are oversized [12:34] dafuq [12:35] libicu52 2 MiB increase over libicu48 [12:35] :@ [12:35] all those new letters to include [12:36] libwebkitgtk-3.0-0 | webkitgtk | zenity | Ubuntu Developers | 6229510 | 28298 [12:36] oh for the love of god, zenity is back [12:36] zenity | zenity | im-config | Ubuntu Developers | 57412 | 334 [12:37] yeah, I totally fixed that [12:37] hmm on virtualbox with 3d acceleration enabled and guest additions working kde cant enable the opengl effects [12:38] use vmware [12:38] same driver :D [12:38] glxgears works glxinfo | grep OpenGL shows Humper [12:41] Riddell: should be back to normal tomorrow [12:43] ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman) [12:43] ::qt-bugs:: [1199083] package libqtcore4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite shared '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1199083 (by CANTE Pierre) [12:43] ghostcube: just because opengl works doesn't mean that kwin effects work [12:43] and it's not the same driver, I distinctly remember upstream mentioning that GL only works with vmware for some raeson [12:43] apachelogger: what should? [12:43] Riddell: iso size [12:44] well [12:44] possibly [12:44] icu is still 2mib larger, and some funny fonts package is also up 3mib [12:44] and then there's the fact that pyqt and pykde contain modules for python3.3 and 3.4 [13:03] if a build put something in /usr/etc lintian complains, is the correct move to install it in /etc? because now list-missing is complaining. [13:35] ooh hi soee [13:35] nope [13:35] ooh hi sgclark [13:35] sgclark: yes put it in /etc, what's the file? [13:35]