[00:00] <ahoneybun> hey valorie
[00:00] <valorie> good afternoon, ahoneybun
[00:00] <valorie> how are ya?
[00:01] <ahoneybun> Riddell: can I make a announcement on the Kubuntu.org site?
[00:01] <ahoneybun> valorie: good, you
[00:01] <valorie> good here too
[00:01] <ahoneybun> home page in 5 other langages
[00:01] <ahoneybun> crap
[00:01] <ahoneybun> langs
[00:01] <ahoneybun> *languages
[00:02] <valorie> very nice
[00:02] <valorie> you never answered my question about writing to kubuntu-users
[00:03] <valorie> but i think i answered it myself
[00:03] <valorie> I'll write suggesting they become translators
[00:03] <valorie> not that they just start in on our docs
[00:03] <valorie> because that way lies madness....
[00:04] <ahoneybun> I never saw the question sorry apachelogger reminded to email the ubuntu-translators list and I did
[00:05] <valorie> hmmm
[00:05] <valorie> not sure we want them, tbh
[00:05] <ahoneybun> strange that only the main page is translated
[00:05] <valorie> they don't know the wiki system, and they don't know the translate plugin, and they don't interface with the KDE translators for the most part
[00:06] <ahoneybun> makes sense
[00:07] <valorie> much as I hate to disagree with apachelogger who is a fount of wisdom
[00:12] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1239173] qt4-x11 - binaries linked against libQtCore don't start @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1239173 (by Matthias Klose)
[00:12] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269639] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu3 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269639 (by James System)
[03:20] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I never learnt java
[05:11] <shadeslayer> !testers KDE SC 4.12.1 needs testing from Kubuntu Ninjas
[05:11] <shadeslayer> bleh
[05:12] <shadeslayer> !testers | 4.12.1 in ninjas needs testing for trusty
[05:13] <valorie> shadeslayer: isn't that supposed to hail #kubuntu as well as this chan?
[05:14] <valorie> if so, it didn't work
[05:14] <shadeslayer> nope, just this one afaik
[05:14] <valorie> hmmm
[05:19] <apachelogger> valorie, ahoneybun: while it is true that ubuntu-translators at large probably aren't much help there certainly are those who have a keen interest in Kubuntu, so unless they are already involved with upstream l10n, getting them to join seems a boon eitherway ;)
[05:19] <valorie> that is true
[05:19] <apachelogger> worst case you at least informed the ubuntu-translators about our off-site documentation l10n so they can't shout at you in 6 months for not informing them :)
[05:19] <valorie> they are probably self-selecting Good
[05:20] <valorie> I hadn't thought about the cya aspect
[05:20] <apachelogger> spewing wisdom at 6:20 in the morning, not bad eh :P
[05:21]  * apachelogger hugs valorie and disappears in a pile of mails
[05:21] <valorie> whew, all I see is the sweep of a black cape, and he's gone.....
[05:21] <valorie> :-)
[05:35] <shadeslayer> valorie: available for testing 4.12.1?
[05:36] <valorie> hmm, I guess i could
[05:36] <valorie> in a few mins?
[05:41] <jarkko_> there was upgrads today
[05:41] <jarkko_> for kde
[05:42] <valorie> jarkko_: yes, shadeslayer just asked for testers
[05:42] <shadeslayer> sure
[05:42] <jarkko_> can i even help?
[05:49] <jarkko_> shadeslayer: can i even help?
[05:51] <apachelogger> jarkko_: sure you can, shadeslayer just needs to tell you how
[05:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: taking neon5 daily for a testdrive now
[05:52] <valorie> shadeslayer: if you 'splain to jarkko_, I'll follow along in few mins
[05:52] <shadeslayer> right hi
[05:53] <jarkko_> i have virtual machine installed here...
[05:53] <jarkko_> if it helps
[05:53] <shadeslayer> jarkko_: see PM for instructions
[05:56] <apachelogger> pff, now we are having private instructions :P
[05:56] <shadeslayer> valorie: fyi you need to be running trusty
[05:56] <valorie> ah
[05:57] <valorie> well, I'm not as yet
[05:57] <valorie> do you advise upgrading to trusty?
[05:57] <valorie> I can use my other laptop
[05:57] <Tm_T> hi jarkko_
[05:57] <valorie> which has 386
[05:57] <shadeslayer> would be nice :)
[05:57] <apachelogger> we'll be by March 10 becaus that's when I need exploratory testing done by people :P
[05:58] <valorie> I'll get that bit started now
[06:01] <shadeslayer> valorie: finished Looking for Alaska btw
[06:05] <valorie> one dark story, eh?
[06:05] <shadeslayer> yeah ...
[06:05] <shadeslayer> valorie: did you start with the fault in our stars
[06:06] <valorie> no, not yet
[06:06] <valorie> question about trusty: is upgrade supported yet?
[06:06] <valorie> or must I download and do a new install
[06:07] <apachelogger> (upgrade works from 12.04, so it should be fine from 13.10...)
[06:07] <apachelogger> if it doesn't work that'd be a bug anyway
[06:07] <valorie> k
[06:13] <valorie> piffle, do-release-upgrade doesn't find trusty yet
[06:13] <shadeslayer> needs -d
[06:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw LTS releases for Kubuntu are just a huge farce
[06:14] <valorie> weeeee
[06:15] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Upstream does not provide any support gurantee and we market Kubuntu LTS releases as being supported for  longer term
[06:17] <valorie> I'm doing the upgrade to T in a console, so it shouldn't take too long
[06:18] <shadeslayer> hmm, why does kde-runtime depend on libwebp5
[06:18] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: mail please
[06:18] <apachelogger> ^ also I think the term support is overused and means too many things
[06:19] <apachelogger> in particuarl I am reasonable certain the support in LTS is meant to mean something different than what our upstream calls support
[06:19] <valorie> does it mean more than 1. backports and 2. hired support?
[06:21] <apachelogger> TBH, I think it really just means long term software update target
[06:21] <shadeslayer> sigh ...
[06:21] <shadeslayer> so many KDE things depend on libwebp
[06:21]  * shadeslayer thinks about just uploading KDE 4.12.1 to the archive
[06:21] <apachelogger> i.e. if you chose to pay shadeslayer to fix/package a fix in qt for 12.04 then shadeslayer can easily get that landed through the official repository
[06:22] <apachelogger> and that is really what an enterprise targeted version needs... the ability to easily be updated if one wishes to do so
[06:23] <apachelogger> additionally you get security updates for a prelonged time frame
[06:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: to me LTS support sounds like "We'll keep doing bug fix releases of $APP for the next 4 years"
[06:23] <apachelogger> also something important for an enterprise target
[06:23] <shadeslayer> so you get bug fix versions of packages in the official archive
[06:23] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's why I say the term support is ambiguous
[06:23] <valorie> there was a long back and forth on plasma-devel by a guy who kept saying that kubuntu 12.04 was 'best', and shantanu kept trying to tell him that for devel, newer is better
[06:23] <valorie> I think he finally 'got it'
[06:24] <jarkko_> I always get these kind of errors on kubuntu..."Unknown media type in type 'all/all'"
[06:24] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: from a kde perspective support means we'll backport commits that are not feature commits
[06:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: from my POV, for Kubuntu LTS means that I'll keep backporting new KDE releases to the Kubuntu Backports PPA 
[06:25] <apachelogger> from an ubuntu perspective support means, we may backport changes that are not feature changes iff we consider them worth having
[06:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: write that in your mail please? :P
[06:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: except that there is no gurantee that non feature commits will even work with a older release of KDE
[06:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ETOOMUCHWORKMAN
[06:25] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's the kde thing...
[06:26] <apachelogger> and yes it's many work, which I think our support means something different
[06:26] <apachelogger> *which is why
[06:26] <apachelogger> I mean, for kde the mapping essentially is at least one maintainer per repository
[06:26] <apachelogger> for us it's like 5 people for everything kde in ubuntu
[06:27] <apachelogger> doesn't scale ^^
[06:27] <shadeslayer> 5? lol
[06:27] <apachelogger> on good days? :P
[06:27] <apachelogger> doesn't scale outside kubuntu either anyway
[06:27] <shadeslayer> 5 is stretching it a bit on good days
[06:27] <apachelogger> just becomes (~100 for 20k packages?)
[06:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I blame you for not getting minions
[06:27] <apachelogger> and Quintasan for doing uni
[06:28] <apachelogger> and JT for having gotten a real life
[06:28] <apachelogger> anyway
[06:29] <jarkko_> i was able to install and boot
[06:29] <apachelogger> if our 'support' in fact means something than upstream's 'support', then we ought to outline just exactly what it means
[06:29] <apachelogger> like if we don't backport all fixes, how do we decide what gets a backport and what not
[06:29] <jarkko_> is there something now i should especially try?
[06:29] <apachelogger> currently that's wishy-washy
[06:30] <apachelogger> jarkko_: just use it a bit
[06:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: oh, there you have an example of exploratory testing... new SC versions get some of it :)
[06:31] <jarkko_> is there fixed bugs list somewhere?
[06:32] <jarkko_> could confirm if bug is fixed ;)
[06:32] <jarkko_>  ifound one very irritating thing, but i doubt it has anything to do kde updates
[06:33] <valorie> jarkko_: you can easily search bugs.kde.org
[06:33] <jarkko_> if you set this font larger on Quassel irc, it kinda breaks
[06:33] <valorie> the search is very powerful
[06:35] <jarkko_> btw. the network manager, can someone say what's the situation?
[06:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: done
[06:41] <apachelogger> jarkko_, shadeslayer: https://bugs.kde.org/buglist.cgi?f1=cf_versionfixedin&order=Importance&o1=equals&resolution=FIXED&query_format=advanced&v1=4.12.1
[06:44] <jarkko_> whats the situation about wayland, is it included soon on kubuntu?
[06:49] <shadeslayer> jarkko_: nothing is ready to consume wayland
[06:49] <shadeslayer> why would we include it on the ISO
[06:51] <valorie> yet
[06:53] <jarkko_> i think i saw some xmir file on kde install
[07:05] <shadeslayer> mm ... I have libmirprotobuf0 on here for some reason
[07:06] <shadeslayer> ah, xserver-xorg-dev pulls it in
[07:08] <soee> good morning\
[07:11] <valorie> shadeslayer: I think this upgrade to trusty isn't going to happen
[07:11] <shadeslayer> oh?
[07:11] <shadeslayer> soee: morning
[07:11] <shadeslayer> soee: go test 4.12.1 :D
[07:11] <valorie> it keeps being interupted by the pixbuffer message
[07:11] <soee> shadeslayer: no :<
[07:11] <valorie> which since it's in a console, I can't capture
[07:11] <soee> shadeslayer: first i  need to fix lighdm
[07:12] <shadeslayer> soee: I see :)
[07:12] <soee> dont know why but it wont start
[07:12] <soee> i have to login from command line
[07:12] <soee> and do startx
[07:12] <shadeslayer> valorie: huh ... might want to report a bug about that
[07:12] <shadeslayer> soee: check /var/log/lightdm?
[07:12] <valorie> someone else in #kubuntu had the same trouble today, soee
[07:13] <valorie> I guess I just have to stop the install with Control C?
[07:13] <valorie> it's just going to keep looping
[07:13] <soee> valorie: did he fixed it ?
[07:13] <valorie> no, he was starting it via the cli too
[07:14] <valorie> eh, I'm gonna let this go for another 10-15 mins and see what's up
[07:14] <soee> shadeslayer: all logs are empty
[07:14] <soee> in subl /var/log/lightdm/
[07:14] <shadeslayer> huh
[07:15] <Riddell> hola
[07:15] <soee> basically i have kubuntu logo (plymouth) all the time
[07:15] <soee> if i press esc i have cli and see 3 fails there
[07:16] <soee> if i press crtl+alt+fx i have login promt and from here i can login and startx
[07:18] <soee> also i have no sound
[07:18] <soee> in kmix i have Deaf output
[07:18] <soee> no idea what it is
[07:24] <soee> is it ok that i have 4.12.0 installed on system but lot of packages lkike kde-workspace etc are marked as 4.11.5 ?
[07:24] <soee> shadeslayer: can you give me ppa for this 4.12.1 ?
[07:25] <shadeslayer> soee: do you have access to kubuntu ninjas?
[07:25] <shadeslayer> soee: yes
[07:25] <soee> shadeslayer: yes jr:xxx
[07:25] <soee> but i see no pudates
[07:26] <Riddell> soee: trusty only
[07:26] <Riddell> soee: yes kde-workspace does not have a 4.12 version
[07:27] <soee> ah ok downloading
[07:28] <shadeslayer> valorie: "(gtk-update-icon-cache-3.0:11574): GdkPixbuf-WARNING **: Cannot open pixbuf loader module file '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache': No such file or directory"
[07:28] <valorie> yup
[07:28] <shadeslayer> valorie: run "gdk-pixbuf-query-loaders > /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gdk-pixbuf-2.0/2.10.0/loaders.cache" as root>
[07:28] <valorie> might be ok anyway
[07:29] <shadeslayer> yeah shouldn't be an issue I suppose
[07:29] <valorie> looks like it's gettin' there
[07:40] <soee> shadeslayer: upgrade ok
[07:43] <valorie> looks like upgrade might be finished
[07:45] <valorie> weeeee, restart successful
[07:47] <Riddell> 4.12.1 installed and running good
[07:49] <shadeslayer> awesome
[07:49] <shadeslayer> runs fine here too
[07:49]  * shadeslayer will upload
[07:50]  * Riddell puts test results on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[07:54] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you should give a talk at conf.kde.in
[07:55] <Riddell> are you?
[07:55] <shadeslayer> and get us minions
[07:56] <shadeslayer> I am not, I'm in India at the moment, can't travel again in Fe
[07:56] <shadeslayer> *Feb
[07:56] <shadeslayer> rather, don't want to come again in Feb
[07:56] <Riddell> ah, I wondered why you were up so early :)
[07:56]  * valorie submitted a talk, but it wasn't accepted
[07:57] <shadeslayer> valorie: about kubuntu?
[07:58] <valorie> it was about becoming part of the community
[07:58] <valorie> not kubuntu in particular
[07:58] <shadeslayer> I see
[07:59] <valorie> next time I'll find out what they are looking for
[08:06] <valorie> oh, I'm getting a "couldn't connect" to the keyserver
[08:08] <soee> :|
[08:08] <soee> i have installed kdm and configured as default 
[08:08] <soee> not i can boot and all works fine :<
[08:08] <apachelogger> 3 hours of work and all I did was write stuff and manage neon5 packages
[08:08] <apachelogger> and I haven't even started looking at new bugs
[08:08] <apachelogger> :@
[08:09] <soee> :}
[08:09] <soee> *now
[08:09] <apachelogger> ohohoh
[08:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: how's the qt coming along?
[08:09] <soee> the strange thing is that there was no any lightdm update since december 5-10
[08:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have something that works without patches yet?
[08:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: merged and uploaded?
[08:10] <apachelogger> is it good enough for backporting tho?
[08:10] <apachelogger> to saucy
[08:10] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: patches are now down to things like arm64/ppc64el support and some other stuff I don't recall
[08:10] <shadeslayer> see changelog
[08:10] <apachelogger> handy
[08:10] <apachelogger> going to prod a backport ppa for the "Crashes in QtDeclarative continue with 13.10" mail then
[08:11] <shadeslayer> k
[08:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: see 4.13 mail... me thinks upstream should get a say in whether or not we should try to fiddle 4.13 in
[08:11] <valorie> shadeslayer: pm
[08:14] <apachelogger> oh, no new interesting bugs, hooray
[08:14]  * apachelogger goes on coffee break
[08:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: I suspect upstream will just fire it back at us but you're welcome to ask
[08:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: http://www.afiestas.org/demand-a-kde-experience-from-your-distribution/
[08:15] <apachelogger> upstream is expected to tell us what to do, so let us tell them to tell us what to do :P
[08:24] <valorie> success, added that to the notes
[08:28] <apachelogger> python is so terrible :'<
[08:28] <valorie> thank you for your help, shadeslayer
[08:31] <shadeslayer> np
[08:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: will you backport it?
[09:12] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yep
[09:12] <Riddell> lovely
[09:13] <valorie> jarkko_: so, success?
[09:14] <jarkko_> valorie: yes
[09:14] <valorie> cool
[09:14] <valorie> you can add yourself to the notes
[09:16] <jarkko_> what notes?
[09:17] <jarkko_> i just noticed this The following packages have been kept back:  kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript
[09:18] <jarkko_> those dont upgrade using sudo apt-get upgrade or sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:20] <valorie> same here; it's a problem with libwebp
[09:20] <valorie> test results on https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas
[09:20] <jarkko_> how do i make accoutn there
[09:21] <shadeslayer> register on identity.kde.org
[09:24] <valorie> jarkko_: a warning; you should use your realname
[09:24] <valorie> however, you don't have to display that realname anywhere
[09:24] <valorie> it's kept private
[09:25] <jarkko_> i have kde username
[09:25] <jarkko_> just dont remember the login name, its real name
[09:25] <jarkko_> i dont think its full name
[09:25] <jarkko_> i just reset password on kde.org
[09:26] <valorie> cool
[09:27] <jarkko_> dont know what username is, i use email to reset the password
[09:27] <valorie> if you can't get in, sysadmin will help: #kde-sysadmin
[09:41] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you upload libkomparediff2 plz
[09:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: where's that?
[09:42] <shadeslayer> just run kubuntu-archive-upload -p  libkomparediff2 -v 4.12.1 ?
[09:43] <jarkko_> valorie: how do i save the note?
[09:43] <valorie> you don't have to
[09:43] <valorie> it autosaves
[09:43] <shadeslayer> http://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2014/01/15/microsoft-extends-updates-windows-xp-security-products-july-14-2015/#!sl143
[09:44] <jarkko_> so it seems
[09:44] <valorie> they must be desperate
[09:44] <valorie> nobody wants to upgrade!
[09:44] <apachelogger> An unhandled exception occurred:
[09:44] <apachelogger> global name '_KdeFrontend__tableview_event_filter' is not defined
[09:44] <apachelogger> I do not even know what that is
[09:45] <jarkko_> until July 14, 2015 
[09:45] <jarkko_> xp is getting old, but it was good os
[09:45] <jarkko_> they should release new service pack
[09:46] <jarkko_> 7 new files to install
[09:47] <jarkko_> do you know the amount of active developers?
[09:48] <apachelogger> 42
[09:48] <jarkko_> muon said that i have 7 files to update...console says 31
[09:49] <jarkko_> 42 active developers? are they full time?
[09:52] <Tm_T> I presume apachelogger is referring to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
[09:53] <shadeslayer> ^^
[09:54] <jarkko_> i reboot soon
[09:54] <jarkko_> sudo reboot ;)
[09:57] <jarkko_> back
[09:58] <jarkko_> btw. do you have big firefox on launching bar?
[09:59] <jarkko_> i didnt put it there i think
[10:00] <valorie> FF is installed if you did a new install
[10:00] <jarkko_> i did upgrade
[10:00] <valorie> it's now our recommended browser
[10:00] <jarkko_> and i had ff installed before
[10:01] <valorie> ok
[10:01] <jarkko_> well it looks kinda cool there
[10:01] <jarkko_> next K
[10:01] <jarkko_> next to
[10:01] <valorie> ok, falling asleep here, niters
[10:02] <jarkko_> but was that 42 developers for real?
[10:02] <jarkko_> or misunderstood
[10:03] <Tm_T> just a joke
[10:04] <jarkko_> more likely 1 dev working ;)
[10:05] <jarkko_> i just wonder that so many updates already
[10:05] <Tm_T> Kubuntu has several rather active developers, I recall we had 3 doing it as their dayjob
[10:05] <Tm_T> someone knowing better could correct me
[10:05] <jarkko_> anyone keeping blog or something?
[10:08] <jarkko_> are you aware that ati 7870 cannot boot into desktop with free drivers?
[10:09] <Tm_T> jarkko_: all of them, in one way or another
[10:09] <Tm_T> jarkko_: and "cannot boot" means what? is there bug report?
[10:09] <jarkko_> i am not sure about bug report
[10:09] <jarkko_> normal boot fails, but resume on fail safe mode works
[10:10] <jarkko_> installing closed source drivers helps
[10:15] <Tm_T> there should be something in the logs
[10:15] <Tm_T> boot log, syslog, Xorg log etc
[10:18] <jarkko_> where do i find kubuntu related bug reports?
[10:22] <jarkko_> i think i have this bug
[10:22] <jarkko_> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60879
[10:23] <Tm_T> I believe it would be Ubuntu bug and not Kubuntu specifically
[10:30] <Quintasan> yofel: T_T
[10:30] <Quintasan> changing that to synchronized version also yields  random results for me
[10:30] <Quintasan> christ I can't do this properly
[10:35] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1269750] package libqtdbus4 4:4.8.5+git192-g085f851+dfsg-2ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: trying... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269750 (by Smit)
[11:11] <apachelogger> done with usb creator, not too sure about the tableview column spacing, though TBH that is shitty no matter what
[11:12] <apachelogger> really the source table should just display the filename&size and the os version label should be the tooltip
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://trello.com/c/NuchfDCU I guess that should be in doing?
[11:17] <Riddell> yes it should
[11:18] <Riddell> gosh very green is this new trello
[11:20] <apachelogger> the 14.04 board always was green :P
[11:20] <apachelogger> not quite sure why ... the deadlines bord is red because it's important tho ^^
[11:22] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[11:25] <soee> i have this 2 packages stoped: kde-runtime plasma-scriptengine-javascript is it ok ?
[11:41] <ghostcube> yeah amazon cloud player app for windows works in wine 1.7.10 if anyone uses amazon mp3 .... just noticed this :)
[11:42] <Riddell> ghostcube: what's the advantage over a web browser?
[11:42] <ghostcube> you cant download amazon albums into a linux box nowadays its not supported anymore
[11:42] <Riddell> soee: testing what in what ubuntu version? what happens if you apt-get install those packages on their own?
[11:42] <Riddell> ghostcube: even if you buy them?
[11:43] <ghostcube> yep. you only can use mac or windows clients, for full album download. you only can download file per file on a linux box...
[11:43] <ghostcube> they stoped linux support
[11:43] <soee> Riddell: uhm testing nthing, just installed 4.12.1 on trusty but went fine
[11:43] <soee> not i had sume updates and see this 2 
[11:44] <Riddell> ghostcube: can't you use clamz?
[11:45] <ghostcube> as far as i have seen only if you start download directly after you bought it. but not sure if it still works, they changed the format again. but if you upload to cloud player and then want to download it you must go the wine way
[11:46] <ghostcube> amazon isnt linux friendly anymore -.-
[11:46] <Riddell> ironic since it's now a large part of what they sell with AWS
[11:48] <soee> Riddell: http://pastebin.kde.org/pscqvcgqv
[11:48] <ghostcube> yeah... the big joke is.. amazon android app works. so it must be possible to bring it to linux computers too... but they dont want to
[11:50] <Riddell> soee: hmm, spooky
[11:50] <soee> Riddell: see this http://pastebin.kde.org/pricziwbq
[11:50] <soee> :)
[11:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: any idea why kde-runtime 4.12.0 depends on libwebp4 and 4.12.1 depends on libwebp5 which doesn't exist?
[11:53] <Riddell> soee: hmm something doesn't want that installed, is there a reason why you do have it installed?
[11:53] <soee> Riddell: no idea
[11:53] <soee> maybe its related to some plasmoid ?
[11:54] <Riddell> deeper than that if it's removing all this stuff
[11:54] <Riddell> I can recreate the issue
[11:54] <Riddell> spooky too
[11:55] <Riddell> but shadeslayer has disappeared, tsk
[11:57] <soee> spooky too that hes gone :)
[12:04] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion ktp-common-internals 0.7.1
[12:04] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1269778
[12:05] <Riddell> Quintasan: fancy taking that since you know lots about ktp?
[12:34] <apachelogger> :O
[12:34] <apachelogger> now all images are oversized
[12:34] <apachelogger> dafuq
[12:35] <apachelogger> libicu52 2 MiB increase over libicu48
[12:35] <apachelogger> :@
[12:35] <Riddell> all those new letters to include
[12:36] <apachelogger> libwebkitgtk-3.0-0                 | webkitgtk                      | zenity                                 | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |         6229510 |           28298
[12:36] <apachelogger> oh for the love of god, zenity is back
[12:36] <apachelogger> zenity                             | zenity                         | im-config                              | Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>               |           57412 |             334
[12:37] <apachelogger> yeah, I totally fixed that
[12:37] <ghostcube> hmm on virtualbox with 3d acceleration enabled and guest additions working kde cant enable the opengl effects
[12:38] <apachelogger> use vmware
[12:38] <ghostcube> same driver :D
[12:38] <ghostcube> glxgears works glxinfo | grep OpenGL shows Humper
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be back to normal tomorrow
[12:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1194501] [ 4.8 Linaro regression] ICE on gcc-4.8 building kde4libs @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1194501 (by Scott Kitterman)
[12:43] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1199083] package libqtcore4 (not installed) failed to install/upgrade: trying to overwrite shared '... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1199083 (by CANTE Pierre)
[12:43] <apachelogger> ghostcube: just because opengl works doesn't mean that kwin effects work
[12:43] <apachelogger> and it's not the same driver, I distinctly remember upstream mentioning that GL only works with vmware for some raeson
[12:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: what should?
[12:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: iso size
[12:44] <apachelogger> well
[12:44] <apachelogger> possibly
[12:44] <apachelogger> icu is still 2mib larger, and some funny fonts package is also up 3mib
[12:44] <apachelogger> and then there's the fact that pyqt and pykde contain modules for python3.3 and 3.4
[13:03] <sgclark> if a build put something in /usr/etc lintian complains, is the correct move to install it in /etc? because now list-missing is complaining.
[13:35] <Riddell> ooh hi soee 
[13:35] <Riddell> nope
[13:35] <Riddell> ooh hi sgclark 
[13:35] <Riddell> sgclark: yes put it in /etc, what's the file?
[13:35] <sgclark> helllo
[13:36] <Riddell> all your tier 2 packages are in the PPA but I still need to sort out the overlapping files
[13:36] <Riddell> oh I've started putting in watch files, grab them from one of the packages and adapt for any other packages you're doing
[13:36] <sgclark> ok
[13:37] <sgclark> I am writing a manpage to submit to upstream that is missing from kservice, sec, let me find the etc file
[13:37] <Riddell> oh nice
[13:39] <sgclark> xdg/menus/applications.menu 
[13:39] <sgclark> in kservice
[13:40] <Riddell> yeah we have /etc/xdg/menus/kde4-applications.menu in kdelibs4
[13:41] <sgclark> Riddell: for a temporary solution to get kdoctools to install so I could continue I renamed the files within the rules file and that worked
[13:42] <Riddell> sgclark: which files? checkxml?
[13:42] <sgclark> Riddell: yes and manpages
[13:42] <Riddell> I think to be fair on the other desktops you'll need to rename xdg/menus/applications.menu to xdg/menus/kf5-applications.menu
[13:43] <sgclark> ok
[13:43] <sgclark> err where does this review go? frameworkintegration?
[13:44] <Riddell> it's a tier4 module isn't it?
[13:44] <Riddell> not sure what it does
[13:44] <sgclark> tier 3
[13:44] <Riddell> "Workspace and cross-framework integration plugins" sounds vauge
[13:44] <Riddell> http://community.kde.org/Frameworks/List says tier 4
[13:45] <sgclark> oh right, I am trying to figure out where to put in a review for kservice manpage
[13:46] <Riddell> oh to go upstream?
[13:46] <sgclark> nevermind I found it
[13:46] <Riddell> are you on reviewboard?
[13:46] <sgclark> yeah
[13:47] <sgclark> yeah, I found it
[13:47] <Riddell> groovy
[13:48]  * Riddell wonders why qtbase5-dev won't install today making most of the builds fail
[13:48] <Riddell> oh pesky libxcb-sync0
[13:48] <Riddell> which is now libxcb-sync1
[13:49] <Riddell> mitya57: are you able to rebuild the qt5 packages in the PPA?
[13:49] <Riddell> I'm using canonical-qt5-edgers/qt5-beta2
[14:14] <yofel> Quintasan: uh, for me synchronized works fine..
[14:15] <Quintasan> yofel: I somehow made it work
[14:15] <Quintasan> NO IDEA HOW
[14:15] <yofel> Quintasan: http://paste.ubuntu.com/6762240/ is what I edited
[14:29]  * yofel uploaded 4.115 to saucy-proposed
[14:31] <Riddell> awooga
[14:51] <Riddell> does everyone agree there's no point to the file /usr/share/kde4/apps/kauth/dbus_policy.stub
[14:52] <Riddell> and /usr/share/kde4/apps/kauth/dbus_service.stub
[14:52] <Riddell> they're just templates that haven't been used right?
[14:54] <mitya57> Riddell: no, I'm not in canonical-qt5-edgers
[14:54] <mitya57> But I think Mirv was already going to rebuild them
[14:55] <Riddell> Mirv! you tab completing confusion of a nick, fancy rebuilding them?
[15:19] <ghostcube> gnah virtualbox devs arent going to fix the kwin problem -.- but if anyone wants from kubuntu to fix it the code is public...
[15:19] <ghostcube> i hate such answers :D
[15:22] <ghostcube> ok there are two strange things  first this here https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/4582  and then this one https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=269594
[15:22] <ghostcube> so i think its now only a kde problem in combination what xserver version is running -.-
[15:23] <ghostcube> just not working on 14.04, seems to be to new
[16:02] <Riddell> sgclark: I worked out why dbus files are getting installed to /usr/etc
[16:02] <Riddell> new extra-cmake-modules uploaded
[16:02] <Riddell> or edit /usr/share/ECM/kde-modules/KDEInstallDirs.cmake and change "etc" to "/etc"
[16:03] <sgclark> ok
[16:03] <sgclark> There is something significantly wrong with the binaries installed with kdoctools
[16:05] <sgclark> I/O warning : failed to load external entity "" on everything I try to checkXML
[16:05] <sgclark> which makes writing docs difficult heh
[16:05] <Riddell> kdoctools or anything docbook has always been spooky voodoo, need to be used just right or it won't work
[16:06] <sgclark> I have been writing docs for kde for 9ish months. It is the new tools for sure. researching now
[16:10] <Riddell> sgclark: I uploaded all your tier 2 packages to the PPA, make sure you are using the version from the PPA if you are making changes
[16:11] <sgclark> ok ty
[16:26] <Riddell> sgclark: what are you still looking at on kdocbook?
[16:39] <sgclark> Riddell: sorry stepped away,  apt is not fining new ppa doctools I did an update
[16:42] <sgclark> Riddell: what is the name of the packages?
[16:42] <Riddell> sgclark: mm it didn't compile because qt5 has temporarily stopped being installable
[16:42] <sgclark> oh ok
[16:42] <Riddell> if you have the deb-src line you can apt-get source it
[16:42] <Riddell> or just get it from https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/experimental/+packages
[16:43] <sgclark> ok
[16:52] <sgclark> Ridddell: ok it will not install due to conflicting man pages, I need to do the mv trick
[16:59] <Riddell> or rename the manpages :)
[16:59] <Riddell> what are they manpages for
[17:00] <sgclark> version 5 of qtoptions checkXML and kdeoptions
[17:00] <sgclark> which also exists in v 4
[17:02] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1195007] qt patch introduces fatal gdk_x_error handler @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1195007 (by Patrick Oßmann)
[17:03] <Riddell> qtoptions and kdeoptions best I can come up with it to rename to qt5options and kde5options
[17:03] <Riddell> or maybe qtoptions-kf5 and kdeoptions-kf5
[17:03] <Riddell> something like that
[17:03] <Riddell> or just delete them, I doubt anyone ever reads them
[17:03] <Riddell> and checkXML needs renamed to checkXML5
[17:03] <sgclark> I will rename
[17:03] <Riddell> you'll need to know cmake magic to do all that and send the patch upstream
[17:04] <sgclark> yeah that seems to be corrected
[17:04] <sgclark> ok
[17:04] <Riddell> do shout if you have problems
[17:04] <sgclark> I will figure it out :) I am good at that lol
[17:11] <Riddell> sgclark: you've started putting a number in the -dev package, best keep that out e.g. libkf5notifications5-dev -> libkf5notifications-dev
[17:11] <sgclark> Riddell: will do
[17:52] <Quintasan> yofel: Think you can restart 4.12.1?
[17:52] <yofel> uh, I'll leave that to LP
[17:53] <Quintasan> yofel: it didn't do that for two hours
[17:53] <Quintasan> yofel: There is no mass restart option I guess?
[17:53] <Quintasan> KDE Workspace is supposed to be 4:4.11.5?
[17:54]  * Quintasan is damn confused about this 4.11.5 4.12.1 and whatnot
[17:55]  * Quintasan scratches his head
[17:57] <Quintasan> yofel: If I'm interpreting the announcement correctly we will have kde workspaces 4.12.2 along with the rest of the kde sc 4.12.2 but for now we have to ship kde workspaces 4.11.5 with 4.12.1?
[17:58] <yofel> no, we'll have KDE SC 4.13 with kde-workspace 4.11....7? or so
[17:58] <Quintasan> wat
[17:58] <Quintasan> http://kde.org/announcements/announce-4.12.1.php
[17:58] <Quintasan> I don't even
[17:58] <Quintasan> what is this
[17:58] <yofel> http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.11_Release_Schedule has workspace tags until 4.11.9
[17:58] <Quintasan> apachelogger: help
[17:58] <yofel> the next version of workspace will be 5.X
[17:59] <yofel> (probably?)
[17:59] <Quintasan> I kind of think we should do something like kde-workspace-4:4.12.1~really4.11.7
[17:59] <yofel> oh
[18:00] <yofel> maybe they decided to do things differently after all
[18:00] <yofel> utterly confusing
[18:00] <Quintasan> We are going to get so many questions if they want us to mix 4.11.7 with 4.12.2
[18:00] <Quintasan> Even now I'm not sure what's going on.
[18:00] <yofel> if they change things back I feel like staying with 4.11.X just to annoy them
[18:02] <Quintasan> I so don't like some of the decisions that KDE makes.
[18:03] <Riddell> if this confuses you then you won't like the 5 world, lots of separate releases and numbers
[18:04] <sgclark> Riddell: I was successful with the manpages! checkXML not so much. still have to rename through rules file
[18:04] <yofel> Quintasan: i'm fine with stuff being mixed in insane ways I can't even think about, I don't like if people do something which causes me work - then think again and do something which causes me work to revert the work I did before
[18:05] <Riddell> sgclark: not just a rename in CMakeLists.txt?
[18:06] <sgclark> Riddell: that is what I thought too, but cmake died. I don't know enough coding yet :(
[18:07] <yofel> Quintasan: hm, I think the "synchronized" part is about the dates, then it makes sense
[18:10] <Riddell> sgclark: pastbin a diff if you want we might have some ideas
[18:10] <Riddell> pastebin
[18:11] <sgclark> for the fail?
[18:12] <Riddell> yeah
[18:12] <sgclark> oh hmm, already reverted my changes
[18:12] <Quintasan> Riddell: Truth be told I find just another tedious you need to remember before doing anything at all
[18:12] <Quintasan> I find it*
[18:13]  * Quintasan installs Trusty
[18:14] <Riddell> sgclark: just rename the checkXML.in.cmake file
[18:14] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, yeah I just figured that out lol
[18:14] <Riddell> sgclark: then edit the line that refers to it in CMakeLists.txt
[18:14] <sgclark> Riddell: I got it :) thanks!
[18:30] <sgclark> Riddell: debuild keeps deleting my changes, I put the files in include-binaries like I did with the manpage stuff, but not working.
[18:32] <sgclark> Riddell: sorted
[18:44] <sgclark> Riddell: I am used to working with master with KDE, do I submit a git diff or is there another process when it involves kubuntu?
[18:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: You had no problems installing 4.12.1 on trusty?
[18:53] <Quintasan> kde-workspace gets held back here
[19:19] <Riddell> sgclark: yeah submit a diff to reviewboard.kde.org
[19:19] <Riddell> sgclark: and the diff should go in debian/patches, do you know the quilt patch system yet?
[19:19] <sgclark> Riddell: something is still not right with checkXML
[19:20] <sgclark> Riddell: nd no on the quilt
[19:21] <Riddell> sgclark: do you have a diff you can pastebin?
[19:21] <sgclark> Riddell: XDG_DATA_DIRS needs to be set somehow during build I think. I can't seem to export environment variables through rules
[19:21] <Riddell> for what?
[19:21] <sgclark> warning: failed to load external entity "dtd/kdex.dtd"
[19:21] <sgclark> checkXML
[19:22] <sgclark> checkXML5
[19:22] <sgclark> rather
[19:22] <sgclark> checking docbooks
[19:24] <Riddell> sgclark: when doing what?
[19:24] <sgclark> here is the patch for the checkXML rename, which did work http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763737/
[19:25] <sgclark> Riddell: I had to create a manpage for a new binary in kservice. I have to checkXML5 docbooks before I can subit a review :)
[19:27] <Riddell> ah and checkXML doesn't do it's job
[19:27] <Riddell> in which case just use checkXML from kdelibs4, easy workaround
[19:27] <Riddell> your rename won't have made it any better or worse
[19:27] <sgclark> ok
[19:30] <sgclark> Riddell: so I need to learn the quilt patch system correct?
[19:31] <Riddell> sgclark: yep, easy to do
[19:31] <Riddell> we should even have a wiki page on it under wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[19:31] <Riddell> quilt new rename-checkxml.diff
[19:31] <Riddell> quilt add CMakeLists.txt
[19:32] <Riddell> edit CMakeLists.txt or apply the patch you have elsewhere
[19:32] <Riddell> quilt refresh
[19:32] <Riddell> voila
[19:32] <Riddell> patch is not in debian/patches/
[19:32] <Riddell> oh wait
[19:32] <Riddell> export QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches
[19:32] <sgclark> I uploaded new kdoctools
[19:33] <Riddell> stick that in ~/.bashrc
[19:33] <sgclark> ok
[19:33] <Riddell> quilt pop  will remove the patch
[19:33] <Riddell> quilt push  will apply the patch
[19:43] <Quintasan> sgclark: You might want to save http://paste.ubuntu.com/6763833/ to ~/.dquiltrc and stick alias dquilt="quilt --quiltrc=${HOME}/.dquilt" into bashrc
[19:44] <sgclark> ok ty
[19:44] <Quintasan> and use dquilt when working on debian packages
[19:44] <Quintasan> though I'm not sure if reviewboard is going to like that diff format
[19:55] <Villiers> Riddell : excuse me , although google code in has ended , can i go on to do this task just to complete it ? http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5885540117250048 :) . please reply
[20:41] <Riddell> aww he left
[20:43] <sgclark> Riddell: quilt is pretty straight forward. The only thing I don't understand is when the file names actually change. That does not appear in the diff with the new data
[20:44] <Riddell> http://pkg-perl.alioth.debian.org/howto/quilt.html#renaming_files might help
[20:45] <Riddell> hmm actually no it doesn't
[20:46] <Riddell> https://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/2011/06/msg00006.html has how to rename
[20:46] <elcaset> A friend of mine asked where he can buy a modern phone that can run Qt apps. Not Android necessarily, but Mer, Sailfish, etc. He wants to 
[20:46] <elcaset> use a Linux-based Qt-based phone.  Anybody know of some?  Thanks in advance.
[20:46] <JamesF> Riddell :  can you tell me whats merging in http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2013/5885540117250048 ?
[20:47] <Riddell> hi JamesF 
[20:47] <Riddell> JamesF: I need to get emergency painkilllers for my girlfriend and will be back in 30 mins
[20:47] <JamesF> Riddell : ok :)
[20:47] <Riddell> elcaset: blackberry and jella
[20:48] <Riddell> JamesF: but yes we'll take you through it, would be great to have done
[20:48] <JamesF> Riddell : anyone else mentoring that task whom i can seek help from ?
[20:49] <elcaset> Riddell: thanks :)>
[20:49] <Riddell> !ninjas | help JamesF 
[20:50] <Quintasan> JamesF: Hi.
[20:52] <Quintasan> JamesF: Generally merging is reducing the delta(difference) from our packaging to Debian
[20:53] <Quintasan> As the site says, if our changes are not needed anymore then we just use what Debian has (sync it)
[20:53] <Quintasan> If they are still needed then you need to perform a merge.
[20:53] <JamesF> Quintasan : thanks :)
[20:54] <JamesF> Quintasan :  but i am a bit of a noob so can you tell me from the beginning?
[20:54] <Quintasan> JamesF: Sure, first of all you need to get current packaging from Debian and Trusty
[20:55] <Quintasan> JamesF: For example ibus-qt4 in Debian - http://packages.debian.org/sid/ibus-qt4
[20:56] <Quintasan> You can grab the source and Debian packaging by invoking dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc
[20:56] <JamesF> Quintasan : :)
[20:56] <JamesF> Quintasan :  i use kubuntu...
[20:57] <Quintasan> Which uses Debian as it's base :P
[20:57] <Quintasan> JamesF: Generally you need to have Debian's packaging and Ubuntu's packaging to perform a merge.
[20:57] <yofel> dget will still work the same (as long as you have devscripts installed)
[20:58] <Quintasan> You can see Ubuntu packaging for ibus-qt4 here http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/ibus-qt4
[20:59] <Quintasan> and you can get the source and Debian packaging by invoking dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-2.1ubuntu4.dsc
[20:59] <Quintasan> JamesF: Any questions so far?
[20:59] <JamesF> Quintasan :  working on that :)
[20:59] <Quintasan> Sure, take your time
[21:00] <JamesF> Quintasan :  what do i have to do with ubuntu packaging ? take a reference for that task (GCI ) ?
[21:01] <Quintasan> JamesF: You got both of them?
[21:02] <JamesF> Quintasan : no , just kubuntu :)
[21:02] <Quintasan> You need both
[21:03] <JamesF> Quintasan : after ive got both then ? 
[21:04] <Quintasan> Generally you need to compare files in debian/ directory in Debian's and Ubuntu's version of the package and see what changes can be imported from Debian to Ubuntu
[21:05] <JamesF> Quintasan : and that can be tricky.....
[21:05] <Quintasan> JamesF: Theoretically yes but if you ask any questions you have you should be fine
[21:07] <JamesF> Quintasan : and they can be noobish ?
[21:08] <JamesF> Quintasan : and do i need Debian too ?
[21:08] <Quintasan> Paraphrasing ##c++basic topic: No real ruestion is too stupid or too noobish.
[21:08] <Quintasan> Yes you need both of them
[21:08] <Quintasan> You have to compare the Debian packaging to Ubuntu's packaging.
[21:09] <Quintasan> You won't be able to remove any differences from Debian if you don't compare what we have in Ubuntu against what currently Debian has.
[21:10] <JamesF> Quintasan : ok . now ill get Debian and can i substitute kubuntu with ubuntu ?
[21:10] <Quintasan> JamesF: I think you might be misunderstanding me. I'm not telling you to INSTALL the Debian version on your system. Do you know how software is packaged in Debian?
[21:11] <JamesF> Quintasan : no
[21:11] <Quintasan> JamesF: Kubuntu and Ubuntu are using the same repositories so yes.
[21:11] <Quintasan> JamesF: Okay let me explain that first.
[21:12] <JamesF> Quintasan : please proceed :D
[21:12] <Quintasan> Packaging software in Debian in GENERAL consists of three steps
[21:12] <Quintasan> 1. Get the source code
[21:12] <Quintasan> 2. Do the packaging magic
[21:12] <Quintasan> 3. Upload to Debian
[21:12] <JamesF> Quintasan :  oh
[21:13] <Quintasan> Those of course have number of smaller steps required but I'm not going to go into details here.
[21:13] <Quintasan> If you do dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc
[21:13] <Quintasan> you should end up with 4 things
[21:14] <Quintasan> ibus-qt_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.debian.tar.gz and a directory named ibus-qt-1.3.1
[21:14] <Quintasan> ibus-qt_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz contains the source code for the application
[21:14] <Quintasan> ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc is a text file with some metadata you don't really have to care about right now
[21:14] <JamesF> Quintasan : 1) can be handled , how to do that magic in 2) as im not into packaging much . secondly i have a primitive error . shell's not recognising dget-x although i have the required package installed :(
[21:15] <Quintasan> it's dget -x <url>
[21:15] <Quintasan> there is a space between dget and -x
[21:16] <Quintasan> as for 2) we're going to cover that in a second
[21:16]  * Riddell high fives Quintasan for helping
[21:16] <Quintasan> Riddell: Though I sometimes get the idea I'm doing it wrong.
[21:17] <Quintasan> JamesF: Let me know when you get the files so that I don't go too fast.
[21:17] <Riddell> Quintasan: it's easy to get confused helping someone use a computer unless you can see their computer, you can use a shared ec2 server to guide someone
[21:18] <JamesF> Quintasan : thanks
[21:20] <JamesF> Quintasan :  dget says it has no Debian Installation candidate...
[21:21] <Quintasan> uh
[21:21] <Quintasan> JamesF: What command exactly are you invoking?
[21:22] <JamesF> Quintasan : sorry ubuntu4.dsc has no installation candidate.. im invoking dget -xhttp://archive.ubuntu.com ....
[21:23] <Quintasan> Try copypasting
[21:23] <Quintasan> dget -x http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc
[21:23] <Quintasan> this
[21:29] <JamesF> Quintasan : it says validation failed ...
[21:31] <Quintasan> dget -xu http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc
[21:31] <Quintasan> that should work
[21:35] <JamesF> Quintasan : got 4 tar.gz's
[21:36] <JamesF> Quintasan :  i mean the  == ibus-qt_1.3.1.orig.tar.gz, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.dsc, ibus-qt_1.3.1-4.debian.tar.gz and a directory named ibus-qt-1.3.
[21:37] <Quintasan> good
[21:37] <JamesF> Quintasan : now ?
[21:37] <Quintasan> so if you look into  ibus-qt-1.3 directory
[21:37] <Quintasan> there is a debian directory inside it
[21:37] <Quintasan> this is what we call "packaging"
[21:38] <Quintasan> there are text files inside it that describe what this package is, what is needed to get built and steps how to build it
[21:38] <JamesF> Quintasan :  BEGIN PGP ... etc ?
[21:38] <Quintasan> no
[21:39] <Quintasan> cd ibus-qt-1.3.1/debian
[21:39] <Quintasan> you should have files like changelog, copyright, docs and so on there
[21:40] <JamesF> Quintasan :  :D :D got that one ... now ?
[21:40] <Quintasan> Wrong windows I guess.
[21:45] <JamesF> Quintasan : yeah so now what should i do  with those files ?
[21:46] <Quintasan> Well, what you just got is Debian's packaging
[21:46] <Quintasan> You are to compare Ubuntu's packagin AGAINST Debian packaging and import any changes from Debian which we don't have and can be imported.
[21:47] <JamesF> Quintasan :  can you give me the link for the dget -x ubuntu ? :)
[21:47] <Quintasan> I generally recommend making a directory named "Debian", copying debian package inside there
[21:47] <Quintasan> and doing the same for Ubuntu
[21:48] <Quintasan> dget -x http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-2.1ubuntu4.dsc
[21:48] <JamesF> Quintasan : ok will b done
[21:48] <JamesF> Quintasan :  so i just have to document >>
[21:49] <JamesF> Quintasan :  ??
[21:49] <Quintasan> I'm not entirely sure what do you mean by that.
[21:50] <JamesF> Quintasan : you said that i just have to compare right ??
[21:51] <JamesF> Quintasan : ubuntu pack vs debian packaging ?
[21:51] <Quintasan> Compare Ubuntu against Debian and import changes from Debian's packaging to Ubuntu's packging where possible
[21:52] <JamesF> Quintasan : how to import ??
[21:52] <Quintasan> JamesF: You edit the respective file and just make the change
[21:52] <Quintasan> Those are text files
[21:53] <Quintasan> JamesF: When merging changelog file you might want to use merge-changelog tool
[21:53] <sgclark> Riddell: I got it, can you look over these two patches before I send them upstream? http://paste.ubuntu.com/6764390/
[21:53] <Quintasan> which is available in ubuntu-dev-tools package
[21:54] <Quintasan> Like uh, an example for that would be good
[22:00] <JamesF> Quintasan : the ubuntu one says VALIDATION FAILED ....
[22:00] <Quintasan> dget -xu http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/i/ibus-qt/ibus-qt_1.3.1-2.1ubuntu4.dsc
[22:00] <Quintasan> use this
[22:02] <JamesF> Quintasan : got 4 packages... ( 1 folder)
[22:04] <Quintasan> JamesF: for example try comparing Debian's control file against Ubuntu control file
[22:05] <JamesF> Quintasan :  oh yes :) sure 
[22:06] <Quintasan> For example there is Standards-Version: 3.9.4 in Debian and Standards-Version: 3.9.2 in Ubuntu's control file
[22:06] <Quintasan> I'm pretty sure we want to import that change
[22:06] <Quintasan> another example would be Ubuntu packaging having a field like
[22:06] <Quintasan> DM-Upload-Allowed: yes
[22:06] <Quintasan> Where Debian does not have it
[22:06] <Quintasan> so you can remove it
[22:08] <JamesF> Quintasan :  can i add that to Debian too ? (talking about above example DM-Upload)
[22:08] <Quintasan> Why would you do that
[22:08] <Quintasan> JamesF: Think about it, we are trying to be as close to Debian with packaging as possible
[22:09] <JamesF> Quintasan : oh!.....
[22:11] <JamesF> Quintasan : i am not being allowed to edit the text files . (!) :(
[22:11] <Quintasan> how so?
[22:11] <JamesF> Quintasan :  its like a permanent thing ....
[22:11] <JamesF> Quintasan :  do i need some kinda software ?
[22:12] <Quintasan> JamesF: I do not think so, those are text files so use a normal text editor
[22:13] <Quintasan> unless you did sudo dget -xu <url> there should be no problems
[22:14] <JamesF> Quintasan : i didnt use  sudo.....
[22:15] <JamesF> Quintasan :  yeah i can now edit em . so now basically i am on my own ?
[22:17] <Quintasan> JamesF: Well it would be smashing if you could complete the task entirely on your own but let's be realistic, you will need help and if you have any questions then you should ask.
[22:18] <JamesF> Quintasan :  thanks :) now ive deleted that line DM-Upload allowed  in Ubuntu.debian / control... Should i save changes ?
[22:19] <Quintasan> Yes, but I recommend that you save them to another copy of the file you edited
[22:19] <Quintasan> So that you do not touch the existing files
[22:21] <JamesF> Quintasan :  :) . ok its 4:00 am in India Right now , so i guess my body needs some rest .... i will come on 17th afternoon . will u be there ?
[22:22] <Quintasan> JamesF: I can't say for sure since I have university and whatnot but just ask questions if you have any, someone will generally answer them
[22:22] <Quintasan> One tip though
[22:22] <Quintasan> http://pastebin.com/HW92WWzE
[22:22] <Quintasan> Here is how I organise my working directory when merging
[22:22] <Quintasan> I save the modified files under Result/debian directory
[22:23] <JamesF> Quintasan :  thanks for the workflow !
[22:23] <Quintasan> JamesF: You're welcome, I look forward to uploading your work
[22:23] <JamesF> Quintasan :  bye . hope to see you soon and a Great Thank you For helping a noob ! :) :D